Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age
As predicted less than 48 hours between firing and unemployment claim. So, had my statement and other evidence loaded and ready to fire. From: justsumname Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 11:48 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age yeah wow that dude was a dick and not very bright On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:08 PM wrote: The moral of the story is to be slow to hire and quick to fire. Life is too short to put with a PITA employee. And in the end you may be doing them a favor by firing them. From: James Howard Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 1:41 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age Come on now Chuck. This is very clearly all your fault for not getting a bunch of extra keys. He shouldn’t have had to worry about returning a key after he used that truck. They should be disposable. How can you expect anyone to have a good work ethic or attitude if you don’t provide them with disposable keys and their choice of anywhere on your property to park? (sarcasm off now. In case it wasn’t painfully obvious that it was on…..) From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 2:29 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age People...I hate them. On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:59 PM wrote: This is what I do now every time we fire someone. They always apply for benefits it seems. There is always a hearing. We win the hearings but it is a PITA... After this I went out and appologized to the crew that witnessed it. It has been years since I lost my cool like that. They were all seemingly delighted that the guy is now gone. In all my years of firing people, many dozens, perhaps as many as 100, only 1 was a situation where I regretted it afterwards. The guy was following along with some dishonest activity by a coworker and did not stand up to him. He truly did not deserve to lose his job. All the rest of them I typically say to myself afterwards: “should have done this long ago”. Also, batting for having formal disciplinary meetings result in a permanent change of behavior. I guess we do them for evidence in the certain to be unemployment benefits hearing... (BTW, the the tale below, this was a truck we bought at Richie Brothers a couple of weeks ago and had not yet got a duplicate key made). From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:36 AM To: Subject: xxx Put this in xxx personnel file. Thursday last week a company truck was parked here at the company by xxx. He did not put the key back in the key box. It is the only key we had for that truck and that truck is a critical vehicle. This morning (7/13/2020) a group of employees were out on the back lot working on a project and I walked up and asked them who was last to drive the red truck. They indicated it was xxx. I asked where the key was, he was very non committal. Essentially shrugging his shoulders. I told him that it must be between the truck and the office key box, did he walk that route and look for it. Nope, he said, he went and did some other things after parking the truck. I asked him if he went to those other areas and looked for the key. Nope... Didn’t seem to care. Had a defiant attitude. So I said that in times like these, an owner of the equipment is always happy to hear, “hey chuck, sorry, I f**ked up”. That was met with no response. I repeated it a second and third time. I started laughing and turned to his supervisor. His supervisor xxx said “hey dude, you need to say those words to Chuck”. xxx mumbled some semblance of the phrase but immediately followed it with an energetic “you didn’t apologize to me for putting the orange drums against my truck”. xxx, from day 1 parked first in the bookkeeper’s parking stall, we asked him to park out with the other employees. He then parked in our loading dock blocking us from using it. We had a talk about that. He finally parked with the rest of the employees but on the edge of a drive forcing everyone to swing wide around his truck and preventing us from taking larger trucks in that parking lot. I put up some orange construction barrels to block off the area where I didn’t want any one to park. That was OK for a day or two but then I came to work and the barrels were in the dirt and xxx had parked on the far end again. I put the barrels in front and to the side of his truck and called his supervisor to have him inform xxx that that corner of the parking lot is a no park area. So this morning when xxx defiantly proclaimed that he was owed an apology I lost my cool, I told him that it was my parking lot and I could do what I wanted
Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age
yeah wow that dude was a dick and not very bright On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:08 PM wrote: > The moral of the story is to be slow to hire and quick to fire. > Life is too short to put with a PITA employee. > And in the end you may be doing them a favor by firing them. > > *From:* James Howard > *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 1:41 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age > > > Come on now Chuck. This is very clearly all your fault for not getting a > bunch of extra keys. He shouldn’t have had to worry about returning a key > after he used that truck. They should be disposable. How can you expect > anyone to have a good work ethic or attitude if you don’t provide them with > disposable keys and their choice of anywhere on your property to park? > > > > (sarcasm off now. In case it wasn’t painfully obvious that it was on…..) > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 2:29 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age > > > > People...I hate them. > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:59 PM wrote: > > This is what I do now every time we fire someone. > > > > They always apply for benefits it seems. There is always a hearing. > > We win the hearings but it is a PITA... > > > > After this I went out and appologized to the crew that witnessed it. It > has been years since I lost my cool like that. They were all seemingly > delighted that the guy is now gone. > > In all my years of firing people, many dozens, perhaps as many as 100, > only 1 was a situation where I regretted it afterwards. The guy was > following along with some dishonest activity by a coworker and did not > stand up to him. He truly did not deserve to lose his job. All the rest > of them I typically say to myself afterwards: “should have done this long > ago”. > > > > Also, batting for having formal disciplinary meetings result in a > permanent change of behavior. I guess we do them for evidence in the > certain to be unemployment benefits hearing... > > > > (BTW, the the tale below, this was a truck we bought at Richie Brothers a > couple of weeks ago and had not yet got a duplicate key made). > > > > *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com > > *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 11:36 AM > > *To:* > > *Subject:* xxx > > > > Put this in xxx personnel file. > > > > Thursday last week a company truck was parked here at the company by xxx. > He did not put the key back in the key box. It is the only key we had for > that truck and that truck is a critical vehicle. > > > > This morning (7/13/2020) a group of employees were out on the back lot > working on a project and I walked up and asked them who was last to drive > the red truck. They indicated it was xxx. I asked where the key was, he > was very non committal. Essentially shrugging his shoulders. I told him > that it must be between the truck and the office key box, did he walk that > route and look for it. Nope, he said, he went and did some other things > after parking the truck. I asked him if he went to those other areas and > looked for the key. Nope... Didn’t seem to care. Had a defiant attitude. > > > > So I said that in times like these, an owner of the equipment is always > happy to hear, “hey chuck, sorry, I f**ked up”. That was met with no > response. > > I repeated it a second and third time. I started laughing and turned to > his supervisor. His supervisor xxx said “hey dude, you need to say those > words to Chuck”. xxx mumbled some semblance of the phrase but immediately > followed it with an energetic “you didn’t apologize to me for putting the > orange drums against my truck”. > > > > xxx, from day 1 parked first in the bookkeeper’s parking stall, we asked > him to park out with the other employees. He then parked in our loading > dock blocking us from using it. We had a talk about that. He finally > parked with the rest of the employees but on the edge of a drive forcing > everyone to swing wide around his truck and preventing us from taking > larger trucks in that parking lot. I put up some orange construction > barrels to block off the area where I didn’t want any one to park. That > was OK for a day or two but then I came to work and the barrels were in the > dirt and xxx had parked on the far end again. > > > > I put the barrels in front and to the side of his truck and called his > supervisor to have him inform xxx that that corner of the parking lot is a > no park area. > >
Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age
The moral of the story is to be slow to hire and quick to fire. Life is too short to put with a PITA employee. And in the end you may be doing them a favor by firing them. From: James Howard Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 1:41 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age Come on now Chuck. This is very clearly all your fault for not getting a bunch of extra keys. He shouldn’t have had to worry about returning a key after he used that truck. They should be disposable. How can you expect anyone to have a good work ethic or attitude if you don’t provide them with disposable keys and their choice of anywhere on your property to park? (sarcasm off now. In case it wasn’t painfully obvious that it was on…..) From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 2:29 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age People...I hate them. On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:59 PM wrote: This is what I do now every time we fire someone. They always apply for benefits it seems. There is always a hearing. We win the hearings but it is a PITA... After this I went out and appologized to the crew that witnessed it. It has been years since I lost my cool like that. They were all seemingly delighted that the guy is now gone. In all my years of firing people, many dozens, perhaps as many as 100, only 1 was a situation where I regretted it afterwards. The guy was following along with some dishonest activity by a coworker and did not stand up to him. He truly did not deserve to lose his job. All the rest of them I typically say to myself afterwards: “should have done this long ago”. Also, batting for having formal disciplinary meetings result in a permanent change of behavior. I guess we do them for evidence in the certain to be unemployment benefits hearing... (BTW, the the tale below, this was a truck we bought at Richie Brothers a couple of weeks ago and had not yet got a duplicate key made). From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:36 AM To: Subject: xxx Put this in xxx personnel file. Thursday last week a company truck was parked here at the company by xxx. He did not put the key back in the key box. It is the only key we had for that truck and that truck is a critical vehicle. This morning (7/13/2020) a group of employees were out on the back lot working on a project and I walked up and asked them who was last to drive the red truck. They indicated it was xxx. I asked where the key was, he was very non committal. Essentially shrugging his shoulders. I told him that it must be between the truck and the office key box, did he walk that route and look for it. Nope, he said, he went and did some other things after parking the truck. I asked him if he went to those other areas and looked for the key. Nope... Didn’t seem to care. Had a defiant attitude. So I said that in times like these, an owner of the equipment is always happy to hear, “hey chuck, sorry, I f**ked up”. That was met with no response. I repeated it a second and third time. I started laughing and turned to his supervisor. His supervisor xxx said “hey dude, you need to say those words to Chuck”. xxx mumbled some semblance of the phrase but immediately followed it with an energetic “you didn’t apologize to me for putting the orange drums against my truck”. xxx, from day 1 parked first in the bookkeeper’s parking stall, we asked him to park out with the other employees. He then parked in our loading dock blocking us from using it. We had a talk about that. He finally parked with the rest of the employees but on the edge of a drive forcing everyone to swing wide around his truck and preventing us from taking larger trucks in that parking lot. I put up some orange construction barrels to block off the area where I didn’t want any one to park. That was OK for a day or two but then I came to work and the barrels were in the dirt and xxx had parked on the far end again. I put the barrels in front and to the side of his truck and called his supervisor to have him inform xxx that that corner of the parking lot is a no park area. So this morning when xxx defiantly proclaimed that he was owed an apology I lost my cool, I told him that it was my parking lot and I could do what I wanted. That in the future he could leave his truck at home and catch a ride with someone else. I also said that he may have just lost his job. I came back to the office to cool off. Called a manager (xxx at 10:20 am) that was out sick this morning. He said that xxx had not changed much since our last formal disciplinary meeting, so he is fine for xxx to be gone. I called xxx (at 10:26 am) and told him
Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age
Come on now Chuck. This is very clearly all your fault for not getting a bunch of extra keys. He shouldn’t have had to worry about returning a key after he used that truck. They should be disposable. How can you expect anyone to have a good work ethic or attitude if you don’t provide them with disposable keys and their choice of anywhere on your property to park? (sarcasm off now. In case it wasn’t painfully obvious that it was on…..) From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 2:29 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age People...I hate them. On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:59 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: This is what I do now every time we fire someone. They always apply for benefits it seems. There is always a hearing. We win the hearings but it is a PITA... After this I went out and appologized to the crew that witnessed it. It has been years since I lost my cool like that. They were all seemingly delighted that the guy is now gone. In all my years of firing people, many dozens, perhaps as many as 100, only 1 was a situation where I regretted it afterwards. The guy was following along with some dishonest activity by a coworker and did not stand up to him. He truly did not deserve to lose his job. All the rest of them I typically say to myself afterwards: “should have done this long ago”. Also, batting for having formal disciplinary meetings result in a permanent change of behavior. I guess we do them for evidence in the certain to be unemployment benefits hearing... (BTW, the the tale below, this was a truck we bought at Richie Brothers a couple of weeks ago and had not yet got a duplicate key made). From: ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:36 AM To: Subject: xxx Put this in xxx personnel file. Thursday last week a company truck was parked here at the company by xxx. He did not put the key back in the key box. It is the only key we had for that truck and that truck is a critical vehicle. This morning (7/13/2020) a group of employees were out on the back lot working on a project and I walked up and asked them who was last to drive the red truck. They indicated it was xxx. I asked where the key was, he was very non committal. Essentially shrugging his shoulders. I told him that it must be between the truck and the office key box, did he walk that route and look for it. Nope, he said, he went and did some other things after parking the truck. I asked him if he went to those other areas and looked for the key. Nope... Didn’t seem to care. Had a defiant attitude. So I said that in times like these, an owner of the equipment is always happy to hear, “hey chuck, sorry, I f**ked up”. That was met with no response. I repeated it a second and third time. I started laughing and turned to his supervisor. His supervisor xxx said “hey dude, you need to say those words to Chuck”. xxx mumbled some semblance of the phrase but immediately followed it with an energetic “you didn’t apologize to me for putting the orange drums against my truck”. xxx, from day 1 parked first in the bookkeeper’s parking stall, we asked him to park out with the other employees. He then parked in our loading dock blocking us from using it. We had a talk about that. He finally parked with the rest of the employees but on the edge of a drive forcing everyone to swing wide around his truck and preventing us from taking larger trucks in that parking lot. I put up some orange construction barrels to block off the area where I didn’t want any one to park. That was OK for a day or two but then I came to work and the barrels were in the dirt and xxx had parked on the far end again. I put the barrels in front and to the side of his truck and called his supervisor to have him inform xxx that that corner of the parking lot is a no park area. So this morning when xxx defiantly proclaimed that he was owed an apology I lost my cool, I told him that it was my parking lot and I could do what I wanted. That in the future he could leave his truck at home and catch a ride with someone else. I also said that he may have just lost his job. I came back to the office to cool off. Called a manager (xxx at 10:20 am) that was out sick this morning. He said that xxx had not changed much since our last formal disciplinary meeting, so he is fine for xxx to be gone. I called xxx (at 10:26 am) and told him to tell xxx to clock out and go home. We then decided to make this permanent. From day one xxx was aloof. Telling his co-workers he knew more about our business than we did. One of our employees quickly asked to to be paired up with xxx. We never asked for specifics. It may have some racial tension. xxx would refuse to sit at the table when we had company meetings. He would show up late and eit
Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age
People...I hate them. On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:59 PM wrote: > This is what I do now every time we fire someone. > > They always apply for benefits it seems. There is always a hearing. > We win the hearings but it is a PITA... > > After this I went out and appologized to the crew that witnessed it. It > has been years since I lost my cool like that. They were all seemingly > delighted that the guy is now gone. > In all my years of firing people, many dozens, perhaps as many as 100, > only 1 was a situation where I regretted it afterwards. The guy was > following along with some dishonest activity by a coworker and did not > stand up to him. He truly did not deserve to lose his job. All the rest > of them I typically say to myself afterwards: “should have done this long > ago”. > > Also, batting for having formal disciplinary meetings result in a > permanent change of behavior. I guess we do them for evidence in the > certain to be unemployment benefits hearing... > > (BTW, the the tale below, this was a truck we bought at Richie Brothers a > couple of weeks ago and had not yet got a duplicate key made). > > *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 11:36 AM > *To:* > *Subject:* xxx > > Put this in xxx personnel file. > > Thursday last week a company truck was parked here at the company by xxx. > He did not put the key back in the key box. It is the only key we had for > that truck and that truck is a critical vehicle. > > This morning (7/13/2020) a group of employees were out on the back lot > working on a project and I walked up and asked them who was last to drive > the red truck. They indicated it was xxx. I asked where the key was, he > was very non committal. Essentially shrugging his shoulders. I told him > that it must be between the truck and the office key box, did he walk that > route and look for it. Nope, he said, he went and did some other things > after parking the truck. I asked him if he went to those other areas and > looked for the key. Nope... Didn’t seem to care. Had a defiant attitude. > > So I said that in times like these, an owner of the equipment is always > happy to hear, “hey chuck, sorry, I f**ked up”. That was met with no > response. > I repeated it a second and third time. I started laughing and turned to > his supervisor. His supervisor xxx said “hey dude, you need to say those > words to Chuck”. xxx mumbled some semblance of the phrase but immediately > followed it with an energetic “you didn’t apologize to me for putting the > orange drums against my truck”. > > xxx, from day 1 parked first in the bookkeeper’s parking stall, we asked > him to park out with the other employees. He then parked in our loading > dock blocking us from using it. We had a talk about that. He finally > parked with the rest of the employees but on the edge of a drive forcing > everyone to swing wide around his truck and preventing us from taking > larger trucks in that parking lot. I put up some orange construction > barrels to block off the area where I didn’t want any one to park. That > was OK for a day or two but then I came to work and the barrels were in the > dirt and xxx had parked on the far end again. > > I put the barrels in front and to the side of his truck and called his > supervisor to have him inform xxx that that corner of the parking lot is a > no park area. > > So this morning when xxx defiantly proclaimed that he was owed an apology > I lost my cool, I told him that it was my parking lot and I could do what I > wanted. That in the future he could leave his truck at home and catch a > ride with someone else. I also said that he may have just lost his job. > > I came back to the office to cool off. Called a manager (xxx at 10:20 am) > that was out sick this morning. He said that xxx had not changed much > since our last formal disciplinary meeting, so he is fine for xxx to be > gone. I called xxx (at 10:26 am) and told him to tell xxx to clock out and > go home. We then decided to make this permanent. > > From day one xxx was aloof. Telling his co-workers he knew more about our > business than we did. One of our employees quickly asked to to be paired > up with xxx. We never asked for specifics. It may have some racial > tension. xxx would refuse to sit at the table when we had company > meetings. He would show up late and either not come into the meeting room > or stand away from the rest of us. > > He decided to put a water tank on a truck and drive it over I-80 to a job > site. He was not asked to put the tank on, the tank was not put on in a > safe manner and when queried about it he said that Ben McCown and xxx > wanted it done. To the contrary Ben told him not to put the tank on as it > would not be safe and xxx said that he never talked to xxx about it and > felt xxx was lying. > > We have one formal, signed, disciplinary record in the file covering many > of these argumentative and attitudinal issues. > He was
[AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age
This is what I do now every time we fire someone. They always apply for benefits it seems. There is always a hearing. We win the hearings but it is a PITA... After this I went out and appologized to the crew that witnessed it. It has been years since I lost my cool like that. They were all seemingly delighted that the guy is now gone. In all my years of firing people, many dozens, perhaps as many as 100, only 1 was a situation where I regretted it afterwards. The guy was following along with some dishonest activity by a coworker and did not stand up to him. He truly did not deserve to lose his job. All the rest of them I typically say to myself afterwards: “should have done this long ago”. Also, batting for having formal disciplinary meetings result in a permanent change of behavior. I guess we do them for evidence in the certain to be unemployment benefits hearing... (BTW, the the tale below, this was a truck we bought at Richie Brothers a couple of weeks ago and had not yet got a duplicate key made). From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:36 AM To: Subject: xxx Put this in xxx personnel file. Thursday last week a company truck was parked here at the company by xxx. He did not put the key back in the key box. It is the only key we had for that truck and that truck is a critical vehicle. This morning (7/13/2020) a group of employees were out on the back lot working on a project and I walked up and asked them who was last to drive the red truck. They indicated it was xxx. I asked where the key was, he was very non committal. Essentially shrugging his shoulders. I told him that it must be between the truck and the office key box, did he walk that route and look for it. Nope, he said, he went and did some other things after parking the truck. I asked him if he went to those other areas and looked for the key. Nope... Didn’t seem to care. Had a defiant attitude. So I said that in times like these, an owner of the equipment is always happy to hear, “hey chuck, sorry, I f**ked up”. That was met with no response. I repeated it a second and third time. I started laughing and turned to his supervisor. His supervisor xxx said “hey dude, you need to say those words to Chuck”. xxx mumbled some semblance of the phrase but immediately followed it with an energetic “you didn’t apologize to me for putting the orange drums against my truck”. xxx, from day 1 parked first in the bookkeeper’s parking stall, we asked him to park out with the other employees. He then parked in our loading dock blocking us from using it. We had a talk about that. He finally parked with the rest of the employees but on the edge of a drive forcing everyone to swing wide around his truck and preventing us from taking larger trucks in that parking lot. I put up some orange construction barrels to block off the area where I didn’t want any one to park. That was OK for a day or two but then I came to work and the barrels were in the dirt and xxx had parked on the far end again. I put the barrels in front and to the side of his truck and called his supervisor to have him inform xxx that that corner of the parking lot is a no park area. So this morning when xxx defiantly proclaimed that he was owed an apology I lost my cool, I told him that it was my parking lot and I could do what I wanted. That in the future he could leave his truck at home and catch a ride with someone else. I also said that he may have just lost his job. I came back to the office to cool off. Called a manager (xxx at 10:20 am) that was out sick this morning. He said that xxx had not changed much since our last formal disciplinary meeting, so he is fine for xxx to be gone. I called xxx (at 10:26 am) and told him to tell xxx to clock out and go home. We then decided to make this permanent. >From day one xxx was aloof. Telling his co-workers he knew more about our >business than we did. One of our employees quickly asked to to be paired up >with xxx. We never asked for specifics. It may have some racial tension. >xxx would refuse to sit at the table when we had company meetings. He would >show up late and either not come into the meeting room or stand away from the >rest of us. He decided to put a water tank on a truck and drive it over I-80 to a job site. He was not asked to put the tank on, the tank was not put on in a safe manner and when queried about it he said that Ben McCown and xxx wanted it done. To the contrary Ben told him not to put the tank on as it would not be safe and xxx said that he never talked to xxx about it and felt xxx was lying. We have one formal, signed, disciplinary record in the file covering many of these argumentative and attitudinal issues. He was fired for cause this morning. Open insubordination officially but the culmination of a long series of events as they usually are. 11:30 am 7/13/2020-- AF mailing
