Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-30 Thread Roland Houin 
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/te-connectivity-amp-connectors/3-640429-3/A31241-ND/696763

 

 

Roland

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 11:42 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Has anyone figured out the make and model of the DC connector?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 9:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I just leave the AC supply in place and unplug it, on the very first CCR's they 
had 2 sets of inputs on the PCB so you could run a true 2+0 setup, without any 
documentation they later removed the IC's that did the redundant switching, 
then the PCB headers, now if you solder in a pcb power header it won't even 
work.

 

Just unplug the AC supply and leave it in place, add the DC Jack on the rear 
and connect it where the AC supply was unplugged, everything except the 1009PC 
I think I would stick with +24vdc

 

Works like a charm.

 

You can even do redundant AC using a meanwell ac-dc supply and a 3d printed 
bracket.

 

If anyone wants to buy a pre-assembled dual AC CCR1036-EM for a few hundred 
more than MRSP I'll let one go, have several spares.

 

3d printed files are available with a quick google.

 

TJ

 

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 8:41 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Oh interesting.  So you end up with the green terminal block on the Tycon 
sticking out where the AC connector was?  I might steal that idea.

On 10/27/2018 10:34 AM, Trey Scarborough wrote:

the tycon TP-VRHP-4824 work well and can be mounted inside to fit with the end 
with the connector out the plug holes. I have done this with several CCR models.

 

On 10/26/2018 6:27 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Just ordered a couple of RSD-100C-24 to test….

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:09 PM
To: AFMUG  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yep, they definitely have a 24v power supply (RouterOS reports the voltage as 
24v, even). I would guess that they won't run on higher voltage because they 
use quite a bit more power than the 1009. 

 

If you need to run them on 48v, it's probably best to just use a DC-DC 
converter and be done with it. In fact, I bet you could even fit something like 
a Meanwell RSD right inside the case in place of the AC power supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:29 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

This would seem to imply they want 24 volts:

https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=24V4APOW

 

It’s possible they could also accept 48 volts, but without some assurance 
that’s true, I wouldn’t risk it.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites.   Therefore I would like to use 
them.   +48v would be great 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
To: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think it's 
just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take 12-57v (same 
as the 1100AHx4, I think).

 

There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did that 
with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal power 
supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC 
terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has switch 
chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the CPU, so there 
are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU horsepower.  It also 
seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes it easy to power them up 
on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK 
doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe for POE.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yes I've done that many times.
I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC 
converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.

I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2 
through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  T

Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-30 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Has anyone figured out the make and model of the DC connector?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 9:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I just leave the AC supply in place and unplug it, on the very first CCR's they 
had 2 sets of inputs on the PCB so you could run a true 2+0 setup, without any 
documentation they later removed the IC's that did the redundant switching, 
then the PCB headers, now if you solder in a pcb power header it won't even 
work.

 

Just unplug the AC supply and leave it in place, add the DC Jack on the rear 
and connect it where the AC supply was unplugged, everything except the 1009PC 
I think I would stick with +24vdc

 

Works like a charm.

 

You can even do redundant AC using a meanwell ac-dc supply and a 3d printed 
bracket.

 

If anyone wants to buy a pre-assembled dual AC CCR1036-EM for a few hundred 
more than MRSP I'll let one go, have several spares.

 

3d printed files are available with a quick google.

 

TJ

 

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 8:41 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Oh interesting.  So you end up with the green terminal block on the Tycon 
sticking out where the AC connector was?  I might steal that idea.

On 10/27/2018 10:34 AM, Trey Scarborough wrote:

the tycon TP-VRHP-4824 work well and can be mounted inside to fit with the end 
with the connector out the plug holes. I have done this with several CCR models.

 

On 10/26/2018 6:27 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Just ordered a couple of RSD-100C-24 to test….

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:09 PM
To: AFMUG  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yep, they definitely have a 24v power supply (RouterOS reports the voltage as 
24v, even). I would guess that they won't run on higher voltage because they 
use quite a bit more power than the 1009. 

 

If you need to run them on 48v, it's probably best to just use a DC-DC 
converter and be done with it. In fact, I bet you could even fit something like 
a Meanwell RSD right inside the case in place of the AC power supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:29 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

This would seem to imply they want 24 volts:

https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=24V4APOW

 

It’s possible they could also accept 48 volts, but without some assurance 
that’s true, I wouldn’t risk it.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites.   Therefore I would like to use 
them.   +48v would be great 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
To: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think it's 
just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take 12-57v (same 
as the 1100AHx4, I think).

 

There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did that 
with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal power 
supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC 
terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has switch 
chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the CPU, so there 
are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU horsepower.  It also 
seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes it easy to power them up 
on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK 
doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe for POE.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yes I've done that many times.
I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC 
converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.

I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2 
through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There are 
two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a little zip tie 
throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are perfect to 
secure the DC cable.

The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the polarity 
of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with

Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-29 Thread Mathew Howard 
the soon to be released 4011 has the same CPU, power options, etc. as the
1100AHx4, and an SFP+ port.

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:11 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> .. and no SFPs.
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:52 PM Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>
>> RB1100AHx4. Takes much less power and has better power options and a
>> wider temp range. A bit slower but fast enough for most sites.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - GENIAS INTERNET -- www.genias.net --
>> Genias Internet
>> Stefan Englhardt Email: s...@genias.net
>> Dr. Gesslerstr. 20   D-93051 Regensburg
>> Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-29 Thread Josh Baird 
.. and no SFPs.

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:52 PM Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

> RB1100AHx4. Takes much less power and has better power options and a wider
> temp range. A bit slower but fast enough for most sites.
>
>
>
>
> - GENIAS INTERNET -- www.genias.net --
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> Stefan Englhardt Email: s...@genias.net
> Dr. Gesslerstr. 20   D-93051 Regensburg
> Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9
>
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: David M 
> Datum: 27.10.18 04:00 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@af.afmug.com
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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-29 Thread Stefan Englhardt 
RB1100AHx4. Takes much less power and has better power options and a wider temp 
range. A bit slower but fast enough for most sites.- GENIAS INTERNET -- 
www.genias.net --Genias InternetStefan Englhardt Email: 
ste@genias.netDr. Gesslerstr. 20   D-93051 RegensburgTel: +49 941 942798-0  
  Fax: +49 941 942798-9

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-29 Thread Faisal Imtiaz 
Late reply.. but !. 

This should answer your question ! 

https://shop.meconet.de/Hardware-component-parts/Accessories/DC-power-cable-for-MikroTik-CCR-CRS-25cm::116243.html?language=en
 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "SmarterBroadband" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:04:57 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

> Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC. It looks like if you pull the
> included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC. So can we just remove the
> supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply? Anyone doing this? Anyone know
> what the make / model of plug on the PSU?

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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-27 Thread TJ Trout 
I just leave the AC supply in place and unplug it, on the very first CCR's
they had 2 sets of inputs on the PCB so you could run a true 2+0 setup,
without any documentation they later removed the IC's that did the
redundant switching, then the PCB headers, now if you solder in a pcb power
header it won't even work.

Just unplug the AC supply and leave it in place, add the DC Jack on the
rear and connect it where the AC supply was unplugged, everything except
the 1009PC I think I would stick with +24vdc

Works like a charm.

You can even do redundant AC using a meanwell ac-dc supply and a 3d printed
bracket.

If anyone wants to buy a pre-assembled dual AC CCR1036-EM for a few hundred
more than MRSP I'll let one go, have several spares.

3d printed files are available with a quick google.

TJ

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 8:41 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Oh interesting.  So you end up with the green terminal block on the Tycon
> sticking out where the AC connector was?  I might steal that idea.
>
> On 10/27/2018 10:34 AM, Trey Scarborough wrote:
>
> the tycon TP-VRHP-4824 work well and can be mounted inside to fit with the
> end with the connector out the plug holes. I have done this with several
> CCR models.
>
> On 10/26/2018 6:27 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> Just ordered a couple of RSD-100C-24 to test….
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 4:09 PM
> *To:* AFMUG  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC
>
>
>
> Yep, they definitely have a 24v power supply (RouterOS reports the voltage
> as 24v, even). I would guess that they won't run on higher voltage because
> they use quite a bit more power than the 1009.
>
>
>
> If you need to run them on 48v, it's probably best to just use a DC-DC
> converter and be done with it. In fact, I bet you could even fit something
> like a Meanwell RSD right inside the case in place of the AC power supply.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> This would seem to imply they want 24 volts:
>
> https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=24V4APOW
>
>
>
> It’s possible they could also accept 48 volts, but without some assurance
> that’s true, I wouldn’t risk it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 4:08 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC
>
>
>
> We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites.   Therefore I would like
> to use them.   +48v would be great!!!!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
> *To:* AFMUG 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC
>
>
>
> I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think
> it's just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take
> 12-57v (same as the 1100AHx4, I think).
>
>
>
> There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did
> that with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal
> power supply.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC
> terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has
> switch chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the
> CPU, so there are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU
> horsepower.  It also seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes
> it easy to power them up on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available
> 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe
> for POE.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC
>
>
>
> Yes I've done that many times.
> I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC
> converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.
>
> I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2
> through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There
> are two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a little zip
> tie throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are
> perfect to secure the DC cable.
>
> The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the
> polarity of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with a
> sharpie.  I leave the AC brick in their with the DC side cu

Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-27 Thread Trey Scarborough 
the tycon TP-VRHP-4824 work well and can be mounted inside to fit with 
the end with the connector out the plug holes. I have done this with 
several CCR models.



On 10/26/2018 6:27 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


Just ordered a couple of RSD-100C-24 to test….

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 4:09 PM
*To:* AFMUG 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

Yep, they definitely have a 24v power supply (RouterOS reports the 
voltage as 24v, even). I would guess that they won't run on higher 
voltage because they use quite a bit more power than the 1009.


If you need to run them on 48v, it's probably best to just use a DC-DC 
converter and be done with it. In fact, I bet you could even fit 
something like a Meanwell RSD right inside the case in place of the AC 
power supply.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:29 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


This would seem to imply they want 24 volts:

https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=24V4APOW

It’s possible they could also accept 48 volts, but without some
assurance that’s true, I wouldn’t risk it.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 4:08 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites. Therefore I would
like to use them.   +48v would be great

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew
Howard
*Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
*To:* AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I
think it's just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll
also take 12-57v (same as the 1100AHx4, I think).

There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they
ever did that with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't
have an internal power supply.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4
has a 48VDC terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC
power supplies.  It has switch chips though, each Ethernet
port isn’t connected directly to the CPU, so there are some
2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU horsepower. 
It also seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes
it easy to power them up on the bench though. The
soon-to-be-available 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK doesn’t
have a DC power input except maybe for POE.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

Yes I've done that many times.
I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a
regulated DC-DC converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used
Meanwell and Traco coverters.

I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy
jacketed 16/2 through it and secure it with a zip tie on the
inside of the case.  There are two tiny holes near the corner
that are just right to feed a little zip tie throughI'm
not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are perfect to
secure the DC cable.

The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always
verify the polarity of the existing power wire and mark a + on
the white plug with a sharpie.  I leave the AC brick in their
with the DC side cut off and taped up. My thinking is that if
I had to I could reconnect the AC brick.

-Adam

On 10/26/2018 3:04 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It
looks like if you pull the included AC PSU it feeds the
Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just remove the supply and
feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing this?  
Anyone know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?

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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-26 Thread Adam Moffett 

If you're using Meanwell, then yeah RSD is what you want.

On 10/26/2018 7:27 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


Just ordered a couple of RSD-100C-24 to test….

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 4:09 PM
*To:* AFMUG 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

Yep, they definitely have a 24v power supply (RouterOS reports the 
voltage as 24v, even). I would guess that they won't run on higher 
voltage because they use quite a bit more power than the 1009.


If you need to run them on 48v, it's probably best to just use a DC-DC 
converter and be done with it. In fact, I bet you could even fit 
something like a Meanwell RSD right inside the case in place of the AC 
power supply.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:29 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


This would seem to imply they want 24 volts:

https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=24V4APOW

It’s possible they could also accept 48 volts, but without some
assurance that’s true, I wouldn’t risk it.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 4:08 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites. Therefore I would
like to use them.   +48v would be great

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew
Howard
*Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
*To:* AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I
think it's just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll
also take 12-57v (same as the 1100AHx4, I think).

There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they
ever did that with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't
have an internal power supply.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4
has a 48VDC terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC
power supplies.  It has switch chips though, each Ethernet
port isn’t connected directly to the CPU, so there are some
2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU horsepower. 
It also seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes
it easy to power them up on the bench though. The
soon-to-be-available 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK doesn’t
have a DC power input except maybe for POE.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

Yes I've done that many times.
I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a
regulated DC-DC converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used
Meanwell and Traco coverters.

I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy
jacketed 16/2 through it and secure it with a zip tie on the
inside of the case.  There are two tiny holes near the corner
that are just right to feed a little zip tie throughI'm
not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are perfect to
secure the DC cable.

The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always
verify the polarity of the existing power wire and mark a + on
the white plug with a sharpie.  I leave the AC brick in their
with the DC side cut off and taped up. My thinking is that if
I had to I could reconnect the AC brick.

-Adam

On 10/26/2018 3:04 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It
looks like if you pull the included AC PSU it feeds the
Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just remove the supply and
feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing this?  
Anyone know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?

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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-26 Thread David M 

OMG!...  How many times has this been done.

I have requested throughout time that there should be some models with 
external terminal lugs to connect external DC hookup.


Also, where is the love to improve ambient temperature ranges.



On 10/26/2018 2:04 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if 
you pull the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can 
we just remove the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   
Anyone doing this?   Anyone know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?






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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-26 Thread Josh Baird 
Nope - I checked the spec sheet before trying!  I believe the 1009 is one
of the only ones that can take 48VDC which is one of the reasons we use it
at most every POP - well, that and it comes in a handy "PC" version that
fits nicely in our NEMA enclosures at smaller sites.  I wish all of the
CCR's supported +48VDC.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 4:33 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Oh I see.
> How did you figure out that it would work with 48V?  Did you find
> something labeled on the board, or just hook it up and smoke test it?
>
> On 10/26/2018 3:27 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> We power nearly all of our CCR's directly off of a +48VDC rail (at least
> 1009 are 48VDC).  We either attach directly to the PCB on the CCR or use a
> little barrel connector, crimp a wire to it and feed it directly to our DC
> rail.
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 3:06 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
>> Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you
>> pull the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just
>> remove the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing
>> this?   Anyone know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?
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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-26 Thread Mathew Howard 
I think an RSD-100 might be a little too long to fit inside... an RSD-60
probably would, but I'm not sure if 60 watts is quite enough (the power
supply Ken linked to is 4 amp, so that's pretty close to an RSD-100C-24).

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 6:29 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Just ordered a couple of RSD-100C-24 to test….
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 4:09 PM
> *To:* AFMUG 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC
>
>
>
> Yep, they definitely have a 24v power supply (RouterOS reports the voltage
> as 24v, even). I would guess that they won't run on higher voltage because
> they use quite a bit more power than the 1009.
>
>
>
> If you need to run them on 48v, it's probably best to just use a DC-DC
> converter and be done with it. In fact, I bet you could even fit something
> like a Meanwell RSD right inside the case in place of the AC power supply.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> This would seem to imply they want 24 volts:
>
> https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=24V4APOW
>
>
>
> It’s possible they could also accept 48 volts, but without some assurance
> that’s true, I wouldn’t risk it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 4:08 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC
>
>
>
> We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites.   Therefore I would like
> to use them.   +48v would be great
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
> *To:* AFMUG 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC
>
>
>
> I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think
> it's just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take
> 12-57v (same as the 1100AHx4, I think).
>
>
>
> There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did
> that with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal
> power supply.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC
> terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has
> switch chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the
> CPU, so there are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU
> horsepower.  It also seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes
> it easy to power them up on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available
> 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe
> for POE.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC
>
>
>
> Yes I've done that many times.
> I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC
> converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.
>
> I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2
> through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There
> are two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a little zip
> tie throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are
> perfect to secure the DC cable.
>
> The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the
> polarity of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with a
> sharpie.  I leave the AC brick in their with the DC side cut off and taped
> up.  My thinking is that if I had to I could reconnect the AC brick.
>
> -Adam
>
> On 10/26/2018 3:04 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you
> pull the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just
> remove the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing
> this?   Anyone know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-26 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Just ordered a couple of RSD-100C-24 to test….

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:09 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yep, they definitely have a 24v power supply (RouterOS reports the voltage as 
24v, even). I would guess that they won't run on higher voltage because they 
use quite a bit more power than the 1009. 

 

If you need to run them on 48v, it's probably best to just use a DC-DC 
converter and be done with it. In fact, I bet you could even fit something like 
a Meanwell RSD right inside the case in place of the AC power supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:29 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

This would seem to imply they want 24 volts:

https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=24V4APOW

 

It’s possible they could also accept 48 volts, but without some assurance 
that’s true, I wouldn’t risk it.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites.   Therefore I would like to use 
them.   +48v would be great 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
To: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think it's 
just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take 12-57v (same 
as the 1100AHx4, I think).

 

There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did that 
with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal power 
supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC 
terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has switch 
chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the CPU, so there 
are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU horsepower.  It also 
seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes it easy to power them up 
on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK 
doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe for POE.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yes I've done that many times.
I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC 
converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.

I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2 
through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There are 
two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a little zip tie 
throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are perfect to 
secure the DC cable.

The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the polarity 
of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with a sharpie.  I 
leave the AC brick in their with the DC side cut off and taped up.  My thinking 
is that if I had to I could reconnect the AC brick.

-Adam

On 10/26/2018 3:04 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you pull 
the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just remove 
the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing this?   Anyone 
know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-26 Thread Mathew Howard 
Yep, they definitely have a 24v power supply (RouterOS reports the voltage
as 24v, even). I would guess that they won't run on higher voltage because
they use quite a bit more power than the 1009.

If you need to run them on 48v, it's probably best to just use a DC-DC
converter and be done with it. In fact, I bet you could even fit something
like a Meanwell RSD right inside the case in place of the AC power supply.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> This would seem to imply they want 24 volts:
>
> https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=24V4APOW
>
>
>
> It’s possible they could also accept 48 volts, but without some assurance
> that’s true, I wouldn’t risk it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 4:08 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC
>
>
>
> We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites.   Therefore I would like
> to use them.   +48v would be great
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
> *To:* AFMUG 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC
>
>
>
> I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think
> it's just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take
> 12-57v (same as the 1100AHx4, I think).
>
>
>
> There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did
> that with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal
> power supply.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC
> terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has
> switch chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the
> CPU, so there are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU
> horsepower.  It also seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes
> it easy to power them up on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available
> 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe
> for POE.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC
>
>
>
> Yes I've done that many times.
> I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC
> converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.
>
> I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2
> through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There
> are two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a little zip
> tie throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are
> perfect to secure the DC cable.
>
> The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the
> polarity of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with a
> sharpie.  I leave the AC brick in their with the DC side cut off and taped
> up.  My thinking is that if I had to I could reconnect the AC brick.
>
> -Adam
>
> On 10/26/2018 3:04 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you
> pull the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just
> remove the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing
> this?   Anyone know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-26 Thread can...@believewireless.net 
Ours are connected to 24V rectifiers and work great.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 6:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> This would seem to imply they want 24 volts:
>
> https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=24V4APOW
>
>
>
> It’s possible they could also accept 48 volts, but without some assurance
> that’s true, I wouldn’t risk it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 4:08 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC
>
>
>
> We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites.   Therefore I would like
> to use them.   +48v would be great
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
> *To:* AFMUG 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC
>
>
>
> I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think
> it's just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take
> 12-57v (same as the 1100AHx4, I think).
>
>
>
> There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did
> that with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal
> power supply.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC
> terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has
> switch chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the
> CPU, so there are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU
> horsepower.  It also seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes
> it easy to power them up on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available
> 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe
> for POE.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC
>
>
>
> Yes I've done that many times.
> I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC
> converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.
>
> I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2
> through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There
> are two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a little zip
> tie throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are
> perfect to secure the DC cable.
>
> The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the
> polarity of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with a
> sharpie.  I leave the AC brick in their with the DC side cut off and taped
> up.  My thinking is that if I had to I could reconnect the AC brick.
>
> -Adam
>
> On 10/26/2018 3:04 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you
> pull the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just
> remove the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing
> this?   Anyone know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-26 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Yes, I tend to agree.   I have opened a support ticket with Mikrotik regarding 
voltages.

 

Does anyone know make and model of the DC connector?

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:28 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

This would seem to imply they want 24 volts:

https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=24V4APOW

 

It’s possible they could also accept 48 volts, but without some assurance 
that’s true, I wouldn’t risk it.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites.   Therefore I would like to use 
them.   +48v would be great 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
To: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think it's 
just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take 12-57v (same 
as the 1100AHx4, I think).

 

There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did that 
with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal power 
supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC 
terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has switch 
chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the CPU, so there 
are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU horsepower.  It also 
seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes it easy to power them up 
on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK 
doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe for POE.

 

 

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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yes I've done that many times.
I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC 
converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.

I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2 
through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There are 
two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a little zip tie 
throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are perfect to 
secure the DC cable.

The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the polarity 
of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with a sharpie.  I 
leave the AC brick in their with the DC side cut off and taped up.  My thinking 
is that if I had to I could reconnect the AC brick.

-Adam

On 10/26/2018 3:04 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you pull 
the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just remove 
the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing this?   Anyone 
know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-26 Thread Ken Hohhof 
This would seem to imply they want 24 volts:

https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=24V4APOW

 

It’s possible they could also accept 48 volts, but without some assurance 
that’s true, I wouldn’t risk it.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites.   Therefore I would like to use 
them.   +48v would be great 

 

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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
To: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think it's 
just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take 12-57v (same 
as the 1100AHx4, I think).

 

There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did that 
with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal power 
supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC 
terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has switch 
chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the CPU, so there 
are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU horsepower.  It also 
seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes it easy to power them up 
on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK 
doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe for POE.

 

 

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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yes I've done that many times.
I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC 
converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.

I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2 
through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There are 
two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a little zip tie 
throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are perfect to 
secure the DC cable.

The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the polarity 
of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with a sharpie.  I 
leave the AC brick in their with the DC side cut off and taped up.  My thinking 
is that if I had to I could reconnect the AC brick.

-Adam

On 10/26/2018 3:04 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you pull 
the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just remove 
the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing this?   Anyone 
know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-26 Thread SmarterBroadband 
We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites.   Therefore I would like to use 
them.   +48v would be great 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think it's 
just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take 12-57v (same 
as the 1100AHx4, I think).

 

There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did that 
with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal power 
supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC 
terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has switch 
chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the CPU, so there 
are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU horsepower.  It also 
seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes it easy to power them up 
on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK 
doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe for POE.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yes I've done that many times.
I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC 
converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.

I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2 
through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There are 
two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a little zip tie 
throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are perfect to 
secure the DC cable.

The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the polarity 
of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with a sharpie.  I 
leave the AC brick in their with the DC side cut off and taped up.  My thinking 
is that if I had to I could reconnect the AC brick.

-Adam

On 10/26/2018 3:04 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you pull 
the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just remove 
the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing this?   Anyone 
know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-26 Thread Mathew Howard 
The 1009 is different... even the model with an internal power supply can
be powered via PoE. I don't believe that's true for the 1016 and 1036, so I
wouldn't assume they'll take 48v just because the 1009 can.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 3:33 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Oh I see.
> How did you figure out that it would work with 48V?  Did you find
> something labeled on the board, or just hook it up and smoke test it?
>
> On 10/26/2018 3:27 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> We power nearly all of our CCR's directly off of a +48VDC rail (at least
> 1009 are 48VDC).  We either attach directly to the PCB on the CCR or use a
> little barrel connector, crimp a wire to it and feed it directly to our DC
> rail.
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 3:06 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
>> Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you
>> pull the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just
>> remove the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing
>> this?   Anyone know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?
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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-26 Thread Adam Moffett 

Oh I see.
How did you figure out that it would work with 48V?  Did you find 
something labeled on the board, or just hook it up and smoke test it?


On 10/26/2018 3:27 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
We power nearly all of our CCR's directly off of a +48VDC rail (at 
least 1009 are 48VDC).  We either attach directly to the PCB on the 
CCR or use a little barrel connector, crimp a wire to it and feed it 
directly to our DC rail.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 3:06 PM SmarterBroadband > wrote:


Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like
if you pull the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.  
So can we just remove the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC
supply?   Anyone doing this?   Anyone know what the make / model
of plug on the PSU?

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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-26 Thread Mathew Howard 
I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think
it's just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take
12-57v (same as the 1100AHx4, I think).

There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did
that with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal
power supply.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC
> terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has
> switch chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the
> CPU, so there are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU
> horsepower.  It also seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes
> it easy to power them up on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available
> 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe
> for POE.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC
>
>
>
> Yes I've done that many times.
> I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC
> converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.
>
> I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2
> through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There
> are two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a little zip
> tie throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are
> perfect to secure the DC cable.
>
> The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the
> polarity of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with a
> sharpie.  I leave the AC brick in their with the DC side cut off and taped
> up.  My thinking is that if I had to I could reconnect the AC brick.
>
> -Adam
>
> On 10/26/2018 3:04 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you
> pull the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just
> remove the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing
> this?   Anyone know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-26 Thread Ken Hohhof 
If you're willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC
terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has
switch chips though, each Ethernet port isn't connected directly to the CPU,
so there are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU
horsepower.  It also seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes it
easy to power them up on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available 4011
has the same CPU but AFAIK doesn't have a DC power input except maybe for
POE.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yes I've done that many times.
I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC
converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.

I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2
through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There
are two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a little zip
tie throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are
perfect to secure the DC cable.

The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the
polarity of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with a
sharpie.  I leave the AC brick in their with the DC side cut off and taped
up.  My thinking is that if I had to I could reconnect the AC brick.

-Adam



On 10/26/2018 3:04 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you pull
the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just remove
the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing this?
Anyone know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?





 

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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-26 Thread Josh Baird 
We power nearly all of our CCR's directly off of a +48VDC rail (at least
1009 are 48VDC).  We either attach directly to the PCB on the CCR or use a
little barrel connector, crimp a wire to it and feed it directly to our DC
rail.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 3:06 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you
> pull the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just
> remove the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing
> this?   Anyone know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?
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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

2018-10-26 Thread Adam Moffett 

Yes I've done that many times.
I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC 
converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.


I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 
16/2 through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  
There are two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a 
little zip tie throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but 
they are perfect to secure the DC cable.


The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the 
polarity of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with 
a sharpie.  I leave the AC brick in their with the DC side cut off and 
taped up.  My thinking is that if I had to I could reconnect the AC brick.


-Adam


On 10/26/2018 3:04 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if 
you pull the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can 
we just remove the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   
Anyone doing this?   Anyone know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?






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2018-10-26 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you pull
the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just remove
the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing this?
Anyone know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?

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