Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

[Ken Hohhof]

I also end up cursing at it because the printing on the labels is light or 
skips.  Then I put in a new roll of labels and it’s fine for awhile.

 

Apparently the labels have a shelf life once the package is opened.  I don’t 
know if it’s temperature or they dry out or what.  I should try taking the roll 
out between uses and putting it in a Ziploc bag or something.  Maybe if you use 
yours a lot and go through labels faster this is not a problem.

 

It’s a bit frustrating because the Brother TZ labels are also thermal transfer 
and they don’t exhibit this problem at all.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 9:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

 

I have used the Dymo Rhino for years.  The only issue that I have had with it 
is it will die permanently if you leave it in the truck in the winter and then 
try to use it while it is frozen.  We only label wires inside the boxes.  I 
have seen them start to peel from heat after a few years, but they are still 
completely legible.  I usually take a small strip of packing tape and go around 
the label and then it stays forever.

 

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 11:44 AM Lincs_Chel mailto:lhan...@enc-tech.com> > wrote:

Hi Matt;

I use either the 19mm (3/4in) and the 24mm (1in) sizes for the Dymo flexible 
series.  Depends how you want to wrap the cable.  But both sizes work well for 
CAT5 cable (outdoor, STP and UTP).  

The amount of info you wish to be printed will dictate the size.  I found the 
smaller fonts don't print well on the Dymo RHINO series.  For the Brother TZ 
tapes, the 24mm and 18mm are the equivalent sizes that work well with the CAT5 
cables.

If you wrap in portrait mode. Either size will work.  If you wrap in landscape 
mode, (need more characters to display), the 24mm will work better.  As it will 
fold around the cable (and possibly overlap) fully.

In either case, the flexible series is better for the CAT5 cables.

LH

 

On 18/02/2020 10:30 AM, Matt wrote:

I use the heat shrink stock for the rhinos. They are UV listed. 

 

http://www.dymo.com/en-US/ind-heat-shrink-tube-1-4-in

 

 

 

>>>Choose from 1/4", 3/8", 1/2", 3/4" and 1" label widths  

 

What size do you need for outdoor shielded cat-5? 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

[Jeremy]

I have used the Dymo Rhino for years.  The only issue that I have had with
it is it will die permanently if you leave it in the truck in the winter
and then try to use it while it is frozen.  We only label wires inside the
boxes.  I have seen them start to peel from heat after a few years, but
they are still completely legible.  I usually take a small strip of packing
tape and go around the label and then it stays forever.

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 11:44 AM Lincs_Chel  wrote:

> Hi Matt;
>
> I use either the 19mm (3/4in) and the 24mm (1in) sizes for the Dymo
> flexible series.  Depends how you want to wrap the cable.  But both sizes
> work well for CAT5 cable (outdoor, STP and UTP).
>
> The amount of info you wish to be printed will dictate the size.  I found
> the smaller fonts don't print well on the Dymo RHINO series.  For the
> Brother TZ tapes, the 24mm and 18mm are the equivalent sizes that work well
> with the CAT5 cables.
>
> If you wrap in portrait mode. Either size will work.  If you wrap in
> landscape mode, (need more characters to display), the 24mm will work
> better.  As it will fold around the cable (and possibly overlap) fully.
>
> In either case, the flexible series is better for the CAT5 cables.
>
> LH
>
> On 18/02/2020 10:30 AM, Matt wrote:
>
> I use the heat shrink stock for the rhinos. They are UV listed.
>>
>> http://www.dymo.com/en-US/ind-heat-shrink-tube-1-4-in
>>
>>
>>
> >>>Choose from 1/4", 3/8", 1/2", 3/4" and 1" label widths
>
> What size do you need for outdoor shielded cat-5?
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

[Lincs_Chel]

Hi;

Both the Heat Shrink and the IND Flexible Nylon labels are UV rated 
(according to the Dymo specs).



Industrial-strength tear-proof adhesive resists moisture, extreme
temperatures, UV light and more so labels won't curl or fall off
- UL recognized as a component to UL 969

   
https://www.dymo.com/en-US/view-all-labels/rhino-ind-labels/ind-flexible-nylon-labels-1-in


However, I have used both the 18mm & 24mm, Black on White versions, and 
they did fade to almost 'invisible'.  Not sure if the colours matter for 
better longevity results.


LH


On 18/02/2020 2:33 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

I use the heat shrink stock for the rhinos. They are UV listed.

http://www.dymo.com/en-US/ind-heat-shrink-tube-1-4-in

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 9:11 PM Lincs_Chel > wrote:


Hi;

I have found the same issue.  The Dymo Rhino labels (vinyl series),
don't stay as long as the Brother TZ-Ez (flexible) series. What I
tend
to do now is to place the labels at multiple points on the cables
that
is exposed to the sun.  I use labels from both manufacturers on
the same
cable.

Masking tape and a Sharpie holds up well.  So we label with this
during
installation and use the electronic labels (Brother and Dymo
Rhino) for
pretty.

Really disappointed with the Rhino series however.  They really
fade and
sometimes they tend to peel (doesn't stay wrapped securely around the
cable).  The writings almost entirely not legible.  For indoor use
they
do a better job.

Note, I have only used the Black on White labels.  Not sure how the
other colours will stay legible for the extended periods of time
exposed
to the outdoor elements.

Looks like we now have to plan to do a regular maintenance
exercise to
re-label the cables every couple years (or 18-months or so).

If anyone finds or has suggestion for a good UV rated label system
(either with Brother / Dymo) would really be great.

LH


On 17/02/2020 12:19 PM, Matt wrote:
> We use cheap DYMO label machines to label cat-5 tower runs etc.
> Within 6 months you cannot read the labels used outdoors but you
> usually do not need too.  Does anyone know of outdoor UV resistant
> cartridges for them or for any label machine?
>


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Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

[Lincs_Chel]

Hi Matt;

I use either the 19mm (3/4in) and the 24mm (1in) sizes for the Dymo 
flexible series.  Depends how you want to wrap the cable. But both sizes 
work well for CAT5 cable (outdoor, STP and UTP).


The amount of info you wish to be printed will dictate the size. I found 
the smaller fonts don't print well on the Dymo RHINO series.  For the 
Brother TZ tapes, the 24mm and 18mm are the equivalent sizes that work 
well with the CAT5 cables.


If you wrap in portrait mode. Either size will work.  If you wrap in 
landscape mode, (need more characters to display), the 24mm will work 
better.  As it will fold around the cable (and possibly overlap) fully.


In either case, the flexible series is better for the CAT5 cables.

LH


On 18/02/2020 10:30 AM, Matt wrote:


I use the heat shrink stock for the rhinos. They are UV listed.

http://www.dymo.com/en-US/ind-heat-shrink-tube-1-4-in



>>>Choose from 1/4", 3/8", 1/2", 3/4" and 1" label widths

What size do you need for outdoor shielded cat-5?






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Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

[Jason Wilson]

When running cable on a tower I’ll label the box I’m pulling from and the
tower end of the cable terminated. I’ll label before it’s terminated. I’ll
need to see what size I’m using. It is just like heat shrink. It will fully
encompass the cable. They work really well. I thought I had some pictures
but cannot find them.

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 7:41 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Heat shrink would require that I label them before crimping the plug on
> the end, and I am not that organized.
>
>
>
> Unless the shrink ratio is such that you can slip the label over the
> plug.  Even so, I am often labeling cables that are already plugged in.
> And if the objective is to label the cables outdoors in the middle of the
> cable somewhere, I don’t see how you use tubing.  At that point I’d go with
> colored electrical tape or those ziptie tags that you write on with a
> Sharpie.
>
>
>
> I have some enclosures with a chart taped inside the door with stuff like
> AP1 north – 1 blue, AP2 east – 2 blue, 11 GHz backhaul – 1 orange.  The
> cables have RHINO flexible nylon labels inside the enclosure, but outdoors
> just the tape we used to label the cables while pulling them.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2020 9:31 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine
>
>
>
> I use the heat shrink stock for the rhinos. They are UV listed.
>
>
>
> http://www.dymo.com/en-US/ind-heat-shrink-tube-1-4-in
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>Choose from 1/4", 3/8", 1/2", 3/4" and 1" label widths
>
>
>
> What size do you need for outdoor shielded cat-5?
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

[Brian Webster]

Ken,

I tried to watch their video to see how that works, I am not 
sure if it’s still flat tape that you stick to itself then shrink it or a tube 
like we are used to? I had the same concern you did about making sure it’s on 
any cable prior to termination. Being able to wrap it around a cable then 
shrinking makes more sense. Justin, how does the heat shrink labeler work in 
that regard?

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 10:40 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

 

Heat shrink would require that I label them before crimping the plug on the 
end, and I am not that organized.

 

Unless the shrink ratio is such that you can slip the label over the plug.  
Even so, I am often labeling cables that are already plugged in.  And if the 
objective is to label the cables outdoors in the middle of the cable somewhere, 
I don’t see how you use tubing.  At that point I’d go with colored electrical 
tape or those ziptie tags that you write on with a Sharpie.

 

I have some enclosures with a chart taped inside the door with stuff like AP1 
north – 1 blue, AP2 east – 2 blue, 11 GHz backhaul – 1 orange.  The cables have 
RHINO flexible nylon labels inside the enclosure, but outdoors just the tape we 
used to label the cables while pulling them.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 9:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

 

I use the heat shrink stock for the rhinos. They are UV listed. 

 

http://www.dymo.com/en-US/ind-heat-shrink-tube-1-4-in

 

 

 

>>>Choose from 1/4", 3/8", 1/2", 3/4" and 1" label widths  

 

What size do you need for outdoor shielded cat-5? 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

[Ken Hohhof]

Heat shrink would require that I label them before crimping the plug on the 
end, and I am not that organized.

 

Unless the shrink ratio is such that you can slip the label over the plug.  
Even so, I am often labeling cables that are already plugged in.  And if the 
objective is to label the cables outdoors in the middle of the cable somewhere, 
I don’t see how you use tubing.  At that point I’d go with colored electrical 
tape or those ziptie tags that you write on with a Sharpie.

 

I have some enclosures with a chart taped inside the door with stuff like AP1 
north – 1 blue, AP2 east – 2 blue, 11 GHz backhaul – 1 orange.  The cables have 
RHINO flexible nylon labels inside the enclosure, but outdoors just the tape we 
used to label the cables while pulling them.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 9:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

 

I use the heat shrink stock for the rhinos. They are UV listed. 

 

http://www.dymo.com/en-US/ind-heat-shrink-tube-1-4-in

 

 

 

>>>Choose from 1/4", 3/8", 1/2", 3/4" and 1" label widths  

 

What size do you need for outdoor shielded cat-5? 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

[Matt]

>
> I use the heat shrink stock for the rhinos. They are UV listed.
>
> http://www.dymo.com/en-US/ind-heat-shrink-tube-1-4-in
>
>
>
>>>Choose from 1/4", 3/8", 1/2", 3/4" and 1" label widths

What size do you need for outdoor shielded cat-5?
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Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

[Jason Wilson]

I use the heat shrink stock for the rhinos. They are UV listed.

http://www.dymo.com/en-US/ind-heat-shrink-tube-1-4-in

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 9:11 PM Lincs_Chel  wrote:

> Hi;
>
> I have found the same issue.  The Dymo Rhino labels (vinyl series),
> don't stay as long as the Brother TZ-Ez (flexible) series.  What I tend
> to do now is to place the labels at multiple points on the cables that
> is exposed to the sun.  I use labels from both manufacturers on the same
> cable.
>
> Masking tape and a Sharpie holds up well.  So we label with this during
> installation and use the electronic labels (Brother and Dymo Rhino) for
> pretty.
>
> Really disappointed with the Rhino series however.  They really fade and
> sometimes they tend to peel (doesn't stay wrapped securely around the
> cable).  The writings almost entirely not legible.  For indoor use they
> do a better job.
>
> Note, I have only used the Black on White labels.  Not sure how the
> other colours will stay legible for the extended periods of time exposed
> to the outdoor elements.
>
> Looks like we now have to plan to do a regular maintenance exercise to
> re-label the cables every couple years (or 18-months or so).
>
> If anyone finds or has suggestion for a good UV rated label system
> (either with Brother / Dymo) would really be great.
>
> LH
>
>
> On 17/02/2020 12:19 PM, Matt wrote:
> > We use cheap DYMO label machines to label cat-5 tower runs etc.
> > Within 6 months you cannot read the labels used outdoors but you
> > usually do not need too.  Does anyone know of outdoor UV resistant
> > cartridges for them or for any label machine?
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

[Lincs_Chel]

Hi;

I have found the same issue.  The Dymo Rhino labels (vinyl series), 
don't stay as long as the Brother TZ-Ez (flexible) series.  What I tend 
to do now is to place the labels at multiple points on the cables that 
is exposed to the sun.  I use labels from both manufacturers on the same 
cable.


Masking tape and a Sharpie holds up well.  So we label with this during 
installation and use the electronic labels (Brother and Dymo Rhino) for 
pretty.


Really disappointed with the Rhino series however.  They really fade and 
sometimes they tend to peel (doesn't stay wrapped securely around the 
cable).  The writings almost entirely not legible.  For indoor use they 
do a better job.


Note, I have only used the Black on White labels.  Not sure how the 
other colours will stay legible for the extended periods of time exposed 
to the outdoor elements.


Looks like we now have to plan to do a regular maintenance exercise to 
re-label the cables every couple years (or 18-months or so).


If anyone finds or has suggestion for a good UV rated label system 
(either with Brother / Dymo) would really be great.


LH


On 17/02/2020 12:19 PM, Matt wrote:

We use cheap DYMO label machines to label cat-5 tower runs etc.
Within 6 months you cannot read the labels used outdoors but you
usually do not need too.  Does anyone know of outdoor UV resistant
cartridges for them or for any label machine?




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Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

[Ken Hohhof]

Are you talking about the RHINO line of labelmakers, or another Dymo
product?

We use those for labels inside the enclosure.  Outdoors we use colored
electrical tape so I don't know if the RHINO labels are UV resistant.  I
know the Brother TZ tapes stand up really well in the sun, I have labels on
the doors of outdoor enclosures that are fine after 10 years, but they
aren't well suited for cables.

One other question, what color print are you using?  In general I have found
that black holds up a lot better in sunlight than other colors like red.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
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To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

We use cheap DYMO label machines to label cat-5 tower runs etc.
Within 6 months you cannot read the labels used outdoors but you usually do
not need too.  Does anyone know of outdoor UV resistant cartridges for them
or for any label machine?

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[AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

[Matt]

We use cheap DYMO label machines to label cat-5 tower runs etc.
Within 6 months you cannot read the labels used outdoors but you
usually do not need too.  Does anyone know of outdoor UV resistant
cartridges for them or for any label machine?

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