Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

[Jaime Solorza]

Smart man. .. don't need the headaches..

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 9:17 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> I wont even get involved in "wifi" solutions of any scale here. Boss
> doesnt want to do legitimate surveys, just wants to sell APs. What i push
> sales on, i either know the layout and demand,  or tell the people that
> without a legitimate survey that im not the contact for support. And i wont
> do more than 4 APs period if theres not a legitmate survey
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 9:24 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I have done several site surveys for very large Warehouses with great
>> success...I set up a test AP on tripod and take readings throughout the
>> entire place.
>> Based on signal penetration and quality , I can figure how many APs will
>> do the trick ...most of these have been Cisco APs (user preference) or
>> UniFi units (my recommendation) ...
>> All of these have been for bar code scanners and tablets...I recommend
>> dual band unitsusing the heat map technique works well...
>> You will not need as many APs as Cisco seems to recommend for
>> everything...in one warehouse there recommended 45 units .. 16 did the
>> trick.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 7:46 PM Daniel White  wrote:
>>
>>> With warehouses it is rarely the vendor that is the issue... rather it
>>> is the placement and type of APs you are utilizing.
>>>
>>> I'd almost guarantee whatever issues they are facing are because they
>>> are using omni-directional APs.  Narrow sectors are typically what you want
>>> to utilize.
>>>
>>> When Ruckus was the beam-forming kings back in the 802.11g and 802.11n
>>> days they excelled in these deployments... but to my knowledge they don't
>>> necessarily have a leg up now over any other enterprise platform.
>>>
>>> Before ripping and replacing AP's... I'd recommend your friend gets
>>> someone in there familiar with warehouse WiFi design.  It is a very
>>> different animal than designing WiFi for houses, MDUs, and commercial
>>> buildings.
>>>
>>> [image: photograph]
>>> Daniel White
>>> Co-Founder
>>> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
>>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> January 12, 2021 at 11:05
>>> I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about 100
>>> unify AP pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution.
>>>
>>> I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but
>>> there is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm
>>> shows.
>>>
>>> What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs, stronger more
>>> reliable signals etc.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

[Steve Jones]

I wont even get involved in "wifi" solutions of any scale here. Boss doesnt
want to do legitimate surveys, just wants to sell APs. What i push sales
on, i either know the layout and demand,  or tell the people that without a
legitimate survey that im not the contact for support. And i wont do more
than 4 APs period if theres not a legitmate survey

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 9:24 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I have done several site surveys for very large Warehouses with great
> success...I set up a test AP on tripod and take readings throughout the
> entire place.
> Based on signal penetration and quality , I can figure how many APs will
> do the trick ...most of these have been Cisco APs (user preference) or
> UniFi units (my recommendation) ...
> All of these have been for bar code scanners and tablets...I recommend
> dual band unitsusing the heat map technique works well...
> You will not need as many APs as Cisco seems to recommend for
> everything...in one warehouse there recommended 45 units .. 16 did the
> trick.
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 7:46 PM Daniel White  wrote:
>
>> With warehouses it is rarely the vendor that is the issue... rather it is
>> the placement and type of APs you are utilizing.
>>
>> I'd almost guarantee whatever issues they are facing are because they are
>> using omni-directional APs.  Narrow sectors are typically what you want to
>> utilize.
>>
>> When Ruckus was the beam-forming kings back in the 802.11g and 802.11n
>> days they excelled in these deployments... but to my knowledge they don't
>> necessarily have a leg up now over any other enterprise platform.
>>
>> Before ripping and replacing AP's... I'd recommend your friend gets
>> someone in there familiar with warehouse WiFi design.  It is a very
>> different animal than designing WiFi for houses, MDUs, and commercial
>> buildings.
>>
>> [image: photograph]
>> Daniel White
>> Co-Founder
>> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>>
>> Chuck McCown via AF 
>> January 12, 2021 at 11:05
>> I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about 100 unify
>> AP pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution.
>>
>> I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but
>> there is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm
>> shows.
>>
>> What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs, stronger more
>> reliable signals etc.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

[Jaime Solorza]

I have done several site surveys for very large Warehouses with great
success...I set up a test AP on tripod and take readings throughout the
entire place.
Based on signal penetration and quality , I can figure how many APs will do
the trick ...most of these have been Cisco APs (user preference) or UniFi
units (my recommendation) ...
All of these have been for bar code scanners and tablets...I recommend dual
band unitsusing the heat map technique works well...
You will not need as many APs as Cisco seems to recommend for
everything...in one warehouse there recommended 45 units .. 16 did the
trick.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 7:46 PM Daniel White  wrote:

> With warehouses it is rarely the vendor that is the issue... rather it is
> the placement and type of APs you are utilizing.
>
> I'd almost guarantee whatever issues they are facing are because they are
> using omni-directional APs.  Narrow sectors are typically what you want to
> utilize.
>
> When Ruckus was the beam-forming kings back in the 802.11g and 802.11n
> days they excelled in these deployments... but to my knowledge they don't
> necessarily have a leg up now over any other enterprise platform.
>
> Before ripping and replacing AP's... I'd recommend your friend gets
> someone in there familiar with warehouse WiFi design.  It is a very
> different animal than designing WiFi for houses, MDUs, and commercial
> buildings.
>
> [image: photograph]
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
> Chuck McCown via AF 
> January 12, 2021 at 11:05
> I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about 100 unify
> AP pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution.
>
> I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but
> there is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm
> shows.
>
> What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs, stronger more
> reliable signals etc.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

[Daniel White]

With warehouses it is rarely the vendor that is the issue... rather it
is the placement and type of APs you are utilizing.

I'd almost guarantee whatever issues they are facing are because they
are using omni-directional APs.  Narrow sectors are typically what you
want to utilize.

When Ruckus was the beam-forming kings back in the 802.11g and 802.11n
days they excelled in these deployments... but to my knowledge they
don't necessarily have a leg up now over any other enterprise platform.

Before ripping and replacing AP's... I'd recommend your friend gets
someone in there familiar with warehouse WiFi design.  It is a very
different animal than designing WiFi for houses, MDUs, and commercial
buildings.

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766

> Chuck McCown via AF 
> January 12, 2021 at 11:05
> I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about 100
> unify AP pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution. 
>  
> I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but
> there is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using Rukus for
> AnimalFarm shows. 
>  
> What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs, stronger
> more reliable signals etc. 
>
>

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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

[dave]

The E50x series is a great outdoor/industrial solution.
We have just added the Micropop to our tool box as well.

On 1/12/21 12:47 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Im really digginng the coverage on the cnpilot e410, you can ho with 
outdoor higher power like i run at my house. Pretty much the whole 
cnpilot series is good, cambium also has another company they carry 
that looks like it scales better.
For what you get theyre relatively cheap and they always have some 
promotion or another to buy one get one.


On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 12:44 PM Cassidy B. Larson > wrote:


I’d swap a couple of those Unifi Pros out for some UAP-AC-HD-US. 
We’ve had good luck with them over the other models.  See if that
gets better coverage than what he’s getting on the pros?


On Jan 12, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about
100 unify AP pros in there and is asking if there is a better
solution.
I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good
stuff but there is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using
Rukus for AnimalFarm shows.
What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs,
stronger more reliable signals etc.
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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

[Jaime Solorza]

Strongest signal penetration I have experienced in crowded warehouse with
lots of interference are the newer UniFi dual band models.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 11:54 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I think Bill means Ruckus.
>
> If it were me, I'd call up Cambium and see what Xirrus has to offer.  Or
> maybe just simply some e410 (they work great at hotels, vacation homes,
> office, home, etc).
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> My recollection is that large facilities like sports stadiums use Rukus,
>> but I'm sure there are other solutions.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 1/12/2021 10:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about 100 unify
>> AP pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution.
>>
>> I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but
>> there is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm
>> shows.
>>
>> What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs, stronger more
>> reliable signals etc.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

[Darin Steffl]

In somewhat large spaces that are open, if they want long range for few
devices, less AP's at normal or high power level is better. Ruckus is king
of coverage and density. Without knowing what's in the warehouse, it sounds
like 100 AP's would cause a lot of interference and too much airtime usage
for beacons. I would cut that down to 25 AP's if possible and do some
channel planning.

If they have a very large space and need lots of devices connected, then
more AP's at low power level is better. Preferably 2.4ghz is turned off on
all of them so they can use more clean channels on 5ghz if their devices
support it.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 12:56 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> What problem is he trying to solve?
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> I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about 100 unify
> AP pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution.
>
> I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but
> there is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm
> shows.
>
> What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs, stronger more
> reliable signals etc.
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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

[Mike Hammett]

What problem is he trying to solve? 




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Subject: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs 




I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse. He has about 100 unify AP 
pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution. 

I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but there is 
a lot of stuff out there. I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm shows. 

What might be better. By better I would think fewer APs, stronger more reliable 
signals etc. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

[Josh Luthman]

I think Bill means Ruckus.

If it were me, I'd call up Cambium and see what Xirrus has to offer.  Or
maybe just simply some e410 (they work great at hotels, vacation homes,
office, home, etc).

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> My recollection is that large facilities like sports stadiums use Rukus,
> but I'm sure there are other solutions.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 1/12/2021 10:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about 100 unify
> AP pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution.
>
> I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but
> there is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm
> shows.
>
> What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs, stronger more
> reliable signals etc.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

[Steve Jones]

Im really digginng the coverage on the cnpilot e410, you can ho with
outdoor higher power like i run at my house. Pretty much the whole cnpilot
series is good, cambium also has another company they carry that looks like
it scales better.
For what you get theyre relatively cheap and they always have some
promotion or another to buy one get one.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 12:44 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> I’d swap a couple of those Unifi Pros out for some UAP-AC-HD-US.  We’ve
> had good luck with them over the other models.  See if that gets better
> coverage than what he’s getting on the pros?
>
> On Jan 12, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about 100 unify
> AP pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution.
>
> I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but
> there is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm
> shows.
>
> What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs, stronger more
> reliable signals etc.
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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

[Cassidy B. Larson]

I’d swap a couple of those Unifi Pros out for some UAP-AC-HD-US.  We’ve had 
good luck with them over the other models.  See if that gets better coverage 
than what he’s getting on the pros?

> On Jan 12, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about 100 unify AP 
> pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution.
> 
> I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but there 
> is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm shows.
> 
> What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs, stronger more 
> reliable signals etc.
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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

[Bill Prince]

  
  
My recollection is that large facilities like sports stadiums use
  Rukus, but I'm sure there are other solutions.


bp

On 1/12/2021 10:05 AM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has
about 100 unify AP pros in there and is asking if there is a
better solution.  
   
  I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty
good stuff but there is a lot of stuff out there.  I
remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm shows.  
   
  What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs,
stronger more reliable signals etc.  

  
  
  

  


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[AFMUG] Warehouse APs

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about 100 unify AP 
pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution.  

I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but there is 
a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using Rukus for AnimalFarm shows.  

What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs, stronger more 
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