Re: [AFMUG] because the cloud is always secure
Ok - just checking :) Yes - Ubiquiti fucked up badly here. It's embarrassing for them. On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:24 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > Oh, no. I'm blaming Ubiquiti. > > The problem here is two fold: > > 1) People that shouldn't be operating networks were depending on Ubiquiti > cloud and assumed protection. > 2) Ubiquiti fucked this up every way possible (how it happened, their > reaction, why they reacted the way they did, etc.) > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ---------- > *From: *"Josh Baird" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Wednesday, March 31, 2021 11:07:03 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] because the cloud is always secure > > Are you actually blaming the public provider here (AWS) or Ubiquiti? > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 11:50 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > >> The cloud is a joke and anyone that ca n't manage a simple on-prem server >> deployment shouldn't be operating an ISP. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Dev" >> *To: *AF@af.afmug.com >> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:47:32 AM >> *Subject: *[AFMUG] because the cloud is always secure >> >> except UBNT “cloud” that is: >> >> >> https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/ >> >> Sad most of the vendors are forcing WISP operators’ customer data to the >> cloud, getting rid of software you actually own, and promising we don’t >> need to be worried about security. >> >> Bollocks. >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] because the cloud is always secure
Someone running their own, own-prem installations wouldn't have the vulnerability of being connected to Ubiquiti's cloud systems. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 11:23:01 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] because the cloud is always secure Oh, no. I'm blaming Ubiquiti. The problem here is two fold: 1) People that shouldn't be operating networks were depending on Ubiquiti cloud and assumed protection. 2) Ubiquiti fucked this up every way possible (how it happened, their reaction, why they reacted the way they did, etc.) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Baird" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 11:07:03 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] because the cloud is always secure Are you actually blaming the public provider here (AWS) or Ubiquiti? On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 11:50 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: The cloud is a joke and anyone that ca n't manage a simple on-prem server deployment shouldn't be operating an ISP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Dev" < d...@logicalwebhost.com > To: AF@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:47:32 AM Subject: [AFMUG] because the cloud is always secure except UBNT “cloud” that is: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/ Sad most of the vendors are forcing WISP operators’ customer data to the cloud, getting rid of software you actually own, and promising we don’t need to be worried about security. Bollocks. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] because the cloud is always secure
Oh, no. I'm blaming Ubiquiti. The problem here is two fold: 1) People that shouldn't be operating networks were depending on Ubiquiti cloud and assumed protection. 2) Ubiquiti fucked this up every way possible (how it happened, their reaction, why they reacted the way they did, etc.) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Baird" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 11:07:03 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] because the cloud is always secure Are you actually blaming the public provider here (AWS) or Ubiquiti? On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 11:50 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: The cloud is a joke and anyone that ca n't manage a simple on-prem server deployment shouldn't be operating an ISP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Dev" < d...@logicalwebhost.com > To: AF@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:47:32 AM Subject: [AFMUG] because the cloud is always secure except UBNT “cloud” that is: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/ Sad most of the vendors are forcing WISP operators’ customer data to the cloud, getting rid of software you actually own, and promising we don’t need to be worried about security. Bollocks. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] because the cloud is always secure
Are you actually blaming the public provider here (AWS) or Ubiquiti? On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 11:50 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > The cloud is a joke and anyone that ca n't manage a simple on-prem server > deployment shouldn't be operating an ISP. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ---------- > *From: *"Dev" > *To: *AF@af.afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:47:32 AM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] because the cloud is always secure > > except UBNT “cloud” that is: > > > https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/ > > Sad most of the vendors are forcing WISP operators’ customer data to the > cloud, getting rid of software you actually own, and promising we don’t > need to be worried about security. > > Bollocks. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] because the cloud is always secure
The cloud is a joke and anyone that ca n't manage a simple on-prem server deployment shouldn't be operating an ISP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Dev" To: AF@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:47:32 AM Subject: [AFMUG] because the cloud is always secure except UBNT “cloud” that is: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/ Sad most of the vendors are forcing WISP operators’ customer data to the cloud, getting rid of software you actually own, and promising we don’t need to be worried about security. Bollocks. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] because the cloud is always secure
except UBNT “cloud” that is: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-ubiquiti-breach-catastrophic/ Sad most of the vendors are forcing WISP operators’ customer data to the cloud, getting rid of software you actually own, and promising we don’t need to be worried about security. Bollocks. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
