Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates

[dmmoffett]

One more note on this topic for our mutual education:

We had an IP block acquired from Cogent where we submitted geolocation
updates, but things kept reverting back to "Albany, NY"

That's because Cogent had a geofeed specifying Albany, NY for the whole /19.
We were advised to make our own geofeed and publish it as smaller blocks
because not unlike IP routing the longer subnet mask wins in most cases.

 

So empirically this RFC method does work with at least some of the
geolocation providers.

 

-Adam

 

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com  
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 3:15 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: RE: Geolocation updates

 

I guess the long term answer to this is going to be RFC8805 and RFC9092.

You stick a CSV file on the web matching your IP blocks to a city and state,
then add a comment on your IP Blocks with ARIN which contains a URL to the
geofeed CSV.

 

The geolocation providers who support this will periodically check ARIN
WHOIS for those URL's and then once they have it they'll refresh multiple
times per day.  

If they have other data they think is more accurate they can use that, but
it lets you prime them with at least the right city and state.

 

-Adam

 

 

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To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Geolocation updates

 

Which services do you need to update when you move IP blocks or get new
blocks?

 

I can't believe they all have their own separate databases.  There must be
smaller ones that key off of larger ones.  

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates

[dmmoffett]

I guess the long term answer to this is going to be RFC8805 and RFC9092.

You stick a CSV file on the web matching your IP blocks to a city and state,
then add a comment on your IP Blocks with ARIN which contains a URL to the
geofeed CSV.

 

The geolocation providers who support this will periodically check ARIN
WHOIS for those URL's and then once they have it they'll refresh multiple
times per day.  

If they have other data they think is more accurate they can use that, but
it lets you prime them with at least the right city and state.

 

-Adam

 

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com  
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 2:03 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Geolocation updates

 

Which services do you need to update when you move IP blocks or get new
blocks?

 

I can't believe they all have their own separate databases.  There must be
smaller ones that key off of larger ones.  

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates

[Steve Jones]

last time we got now blocks it took almost a year and a half to get them
cleaned up, a few emails to the NANOG list, some custting, some colorful
emails to sysop nerds at various locations, we still periodically run into
issues with some smaller banks who host with some software firewalls at
their webhost

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 8:09 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> You can hope, but that will probably never happen.  It's just the way it
> is.
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 10:00 PM  wrote:
>
>> I see the mention of Hulu on that page.  Someone’s Hulu TV has the
>> channels from another market which is what prompted today’s musings.
>>
>> Will the “IP Admin” at Hulu override stuff?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a similar list of geolocation providers already, but I can’t
>> believe all of these ding dongs have completely separate databases and
>> don’t talk to each other.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, since it’s now a thing that is service affecting and impacts TV ad
>> revenue, I hope to hell ARIN or someone starts a central repository so we
>> don’t have to update a dozen different people if something changes.  I
>> haven’t dug into all of them yet, but IP2Location wants a notarized
>> affidavit attached to your request for changes.  I have no idea why they
>> placed some of our IP’s on the wrong side of the state, but apparently they
>> didn’t require a sworn and notarized affidavit to screw it up.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 22, 2023 2:44 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates
>>
>>
>>
>> https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From: *dmmoff...@gmail.com
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Sunday, October 22, 2023 1:03:19 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Geolocation updates
>>
>> Which services do you need to update when you move IP blocks or get new
>> blocks?
>>
>>
>>
>> I can’t believe they all have their own separate databases.  There must
>> be smaller ones that key off of larger ones.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates

[Josh Luthman]

You can hope, but that will probably never happen.  It's just the way it is.

On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 10:00 PM  wrote:

> I see the mention of Hulu on that page.  Someone’s Hulu TV has the
> channels from another market which is what prompted today’s musings.
>
> Will the “IP Admin” at Hulu override stuff?
>
>
>
> I have a similar list of geolocation providers already, but I can’t
> believe all of these ding dongs have completely separate databases and
> don’t talk to each other.
>
>
>
> Also, since it’s now a thing that is service affecting and impacts TV ad
> revenue, I hope to hell ARIN or someone starts a central repository so we
> don’t have to update a dozen different people if something changes.  I
> haven’t dug into all of them yet, but IP2Location wants a notarized
> affidavit attached to your request for changes.  I have no idea why they
> placed some of our IP’s on the wrong side of the state, but apparently they
> didn’t require a sworn and notarized affidavit to screw it up.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 22, 2023 2:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates
>
>
>
> https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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> *From: *dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 22, 2023 1:03:19 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Geolocation updates
>
> Which services do you need to update when you move IP blocks or get new
> blocks?
>
>
>
> I can’t believe they all have their own separate databases.  There must be
> smaller ones that key off of larger ones.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates

[dmmoffett]

I see the mention of Hulu on that page.  Someone’s Hulu TV has the channels 
from another market which is what prompted today’s musings.

Will the “IP Admin” at Hulu override stuff?

 

I have a similar list of geolocation providers already, but I can’t believe all 
of these ding dongs have completely separate databases and don’t talk to each 
other.  

 

Also, since it’s now a thing that is service affecting and impacts TV ad 
revenue, I hope to hell ARIN or someone starts a central repository so we don’t 
have to update a dozen different people if something changes.  I haven’t dug 
into all of them yet, but IP2Location wants a notarized affidavit attached to 
your request for changes.  I have no idea why they placed some of our IP’s on 
the wrong side of the state, but apparently they didn’t require a sworn and 
notarized affidavit to screw it up. 

 

-Adam

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 2:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates

 

https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/



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From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 1:03:19 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates

Which services do you need to update when you move IP blocks or get new blocks?

 

I can’t believe they all have their own separate databases.  There must be 
smaller ones that key off of larger ones.  

 

 


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Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates

[Mike Hammett]

https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/ 




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Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 1:03:19 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates 



Which services do you need to update when you move IP blocks or get new blocks? 

I can’t believe they all have their own separate databases. There must be 
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[AFMUG] Geolocation updates

[dmmoffett]

Which services do you need to update when you move IP blocks or get new
blocks?

 

I can't believe they all have their own separate databases.  There must be
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Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation of ne IP block

[Josh Luthman]

https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/

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On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 12:11 PM Gabriel Pike 
wrote:

> I’m sure this has been asked here before but how does one get a new IP
> block to geolocate correctly? I have been having issues with this since
> advertising the new block. Any help is appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
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[AFMUG] Geolocation of ne IP block

[Gabriel Pike]

I'm sure this has been asked here before but how does one get a new IP block
to geolocate correctly? I have been having issues with this since
advertising the new block. Any help is appreciated.

 

Thanks,

 

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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Thanks to TJ, we have IRR and RPKI configured.  I have asked the router guy to 
advertise the prefix.  Checked black list checking site and it says they are 
clean.  

What next?

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

I think that's more of the exception than the rule, we have plenty of recent 
allocations without issue.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

  NO NO NO NO 
  We got our new allocation last year and still have issues pop up. IP 
reputation, weird geolocation, I think this allocations was in canada prior. We 
didnt even turn up for 3 months to let all the submissions process. Allocations 
given out now are dirty

  On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:17 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

Yeah don't worry about that, just get them online and the internet will 
figure it out automatically, should you have an issue with customers on netflix 
for example stating they are outside of the USA then you would submit for a 
correction.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:15 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  No, just want to make sure the world knows where my IPs are.  
  It is something I can do as I don’t know what else to do...

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:13 PM
  To: Chuck McCown 
  Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

  why? usually only bother with geoip when you have an issue, are you 
having geoip related issues?

  On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:10 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have 
a way to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending lots 
of emails.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

Many databases no fee.  

Check this

https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/


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  Is there just one geo location database?
  Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

[Adam Moffett]

Matching forward and reverse DNS is best practice in any case. Less 
chance of email issues, and I feel like a state postal abbreviation in 
the name might give the geo location people a clue.  
123456-customer-dynamic-city-NY.hosts.myisp.com.



Ditto, had a new IP allocation about a year ago.  Updated reverse DNS
etc and just used it.  No issues.  I am not sure if it makes a
difference but we do a reverse and matching forward DNS entry for
every IP address.





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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

[Matt]

> I think that's more of the exception than the rule, we have plenty of recent 
> allocations without issue.

Ditto, had a new IP allocation about a year ago.  Updated reverse DNS
etc and just used it.  No issues.  I am not sure if it makes a
difference but we do a reverse and matching forward DNS entry for
every IP address.



>> NO NO NO NO
>> We got our new allocation last year and still have issues pop up. IP 
>> reputation, weird geolocation, I think this allocations was in canada prior. 
>> We didnt even turn up for 3 months to let all the submissions process. 
>> Allocations given out now are dirty
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:17 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah don't worry about that, just get them online and the internet will 
>>> figure it out automatically, should you have an issue with customers on 
>>> netflix for example stating they are outside of the USA then you would 
>>> submit for a correction.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:15 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, just want to make sure the world knows where my IPs are.
>>>> It is something I can do as I don’t know what else to do...
>>>>
>>>> From: TJ Trout
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:13 PM
>>>> To: Chuck McCown
>>>> Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>>>>
>>>> why? usually only bother with geoip when you have an issue, are you having 
>>>> geoip related issues?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:10 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have a 
>>>>> way to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending 
>>>>> lots of emails.
>>>>>
>>>>> From: TJ Trout
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> Cc: Chuck McCown
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>>>>>
>>>>> Many databases no fee.
>>>>>
>>>>> Check this
>>>>>
>>>>> https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there just one geo location database?
>>>>>> Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

[TJ Trout]

I think that's more of the exception than the rule, we have plenty of
recent allocations without issue.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> NO NO NO NO
> We got our new allocation last year and still have issues pop up. IP
> reputation, weird geolocation, I think this allocations was in canada
> prior. We didnt even turn up for 3 months to let all the submissions
> process. Allocations given out now are dirty
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:17 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Yeah don't worry about that, just get them online and the internet will
>> figure it out automatically, should you have an issue with customers on
>> netflix for example stating they are outside of the USA then you would
>> submit for a correction.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:15 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> No, just want to make sure the world knows where my IPs are.
>>> It is something I can do as I don’t know what else to do...
>>>
>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 12:13 PM
>>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>>>
>>> why? usually only bother with geoip when you have an issue, are you
>>> having geoip related issues?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:10 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have
>>>> a way to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending
>>>> lots of emails.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>>>>
>>>> Many databases no fee.
>>>>
>>>> Check this
>>>>
>>>> https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there just one geo location database?
>>>>> Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

[Steve Jones]

NO NO NO NO
We got our new allocation last year and still have issues pop up. IP
reputation, weird geolocation, I think this allocations was in canada
prior. We didnt even turn up for 3 months to let all the submissions
process. Allocations given out now are dirty

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:17 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> Yeah don't worry about that, just get them online and the internet will
> figure it out automatically, should you have an issue with customers on
> netflix for example stating they are outside of the USA then you would
> submit for a correction.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:15 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> No, just want to make sure the world knows where my IPs are.
>> It is something I can do as I don’t know what else to do...
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 12:13 PM
>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>>
>> why? usually only bother with geoip when you have an issue, are you
>> having geoip related issues?
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:10 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have
>>> a way to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending
>>> lots of emails.
>>>
>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>>>
>>> Many databases no fee.
>>>
>>> Check this
>>>
>>> https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there just one geo location database?
>>>> Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

[Mike Hammett]

Nope. That's why we made that list. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:37:28 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] geolocation 




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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

[TJ Trout]

Yeah don't worry about that, just get them online and the internet will
figure it out automatically, should you have an issue with customers on
netflix for example stating they are outside of the USA then you would
submit for a correction.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:15 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> No, just want to make sure the world knows where my IPs are.
> It is something I can do as I don’t know what else to do...
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 12:13 PM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>
> why? usually only bother with geoip when you have an issue, are you having
> geoip related issues?
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:10 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have a
>> way to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending lots
>> of emails.
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>>
>> Many databases no fee.
>>
>> Check this
>>
>> https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there just one geo location database?
>>> Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
>>> --
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>>> AF@af.afmug.com
>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

[Chuck McCown via AF]

No, just want to make sure the world knows where my IPs are.  
It is something I can do as I don’t know what else to do...

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:13 PM
To: Chuck McCown 
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

why? usually only bother with geoip when you have an issue, are you having 
geoip related issues?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:10 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have a way 
to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending lots of 
emails.  

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

  Many databases no fee.  

  Check this

  https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/


  On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Is there just one geo location database?
Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

[TJ Trout]

why? usually only bother with geoip when you have an issue, are you having
geoip related issues?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:10 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have a
> way to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending lots
> of emails.
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>
> Many databases no fee.
>
> Check this
>
> https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> Is there just one geo location database?
>> Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
>> --
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>> AF@af.afmug.com
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have a way 
to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending lots of 
emails.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

Many databases no fee.  

Check this

https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/


On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Is there just one geo location database?
  Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

[TJ Trout]

Many databases no fee.

Check this

https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Is there just one geo location database?
> Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

[Colin Stanners]

There's a few companies and organizations with their own GeoIP databases,
Maxmind is the biggest, and there is a funny (and frightening) story about
the risk in those assumptions:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/lawsuit-how-a-quiet-kansas-home-wound-up-with-600-million-ip-addresses-and-a-world-of-trouble/

Most companies try to do the work themselves to reduce the risk of networks
faking their location. Maxmind allows users to request updates at
https://support.maxmind.com/geoip-data-correction-request/ .


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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

[Steve Jones]

I dont understand why theres not a service for that. I looked and looked,
but may have been looking the wrong direction. the brothers wisp guide
covers the big ones, and i believe theyre still updating it. It would be
nice if that were an RIR component where the geolocation services pull from
there, but then you have VOIP location registration issues on VPNs.

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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

[Adam Moffett]

Pretty sure those services infer location based on data collected from 
3rd parties.  Cell phone data, what WiFi SSID's you see, Cell phone 
locations, etc.  Often they can get it exactly right, sometimes they 
only get the right state.  There's someplace in the middle of Kansas 
which is the gelocation coordinate for IP's where they only know it's in 
the USA and can't be any more sure than that


If they're wrong now, they'll become right over time as the companies 
get usage data.



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[AFMUG] geolocation

[Chuck McCown via AF]

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Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation and Upstreams

[Nate Burke]

At least with VUE, you can sign into your account from a PC on the same 
network and 'fix' the location.  That seems to have worked.  No idea why 
it would have thought otherwise.


On 3/26/2019 3:05 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Do the Geolocation services usually care about your upstream 
providers, or only your IP Blocks?  I turned up a new upstream last 
week, and now today Playstation Vue thinks that I'm in Milwaukee 
instead of Chicago.  I've had the same static IP Address at my house 
for over 10 years, and our own ARIN blocks for longer than that.


I haven't heard any reports from customers yet, but I can feel that 
they'll be coming.





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[AFMUG] Geolocation and Upstreams

[Nate Burke]

Do the Geolocation services usually care about your upstream providers, 
or only your IP Blocks?  I turned up a new upstream last week, and now 
today Playstation Vue thinks that I'm in Milwaukee instead of Chicago.  
I've had the same static IP Address at my house for over 10 years, and 
our own ARIN blocks for longer than that.


I haven't heard any reports from customers yet, but I can feel that 
they'll be coming.


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