Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-04 Thread Chuck McCown 
Almost all of the radio manufacturers have a circular waveguide version.  You 
must have circular waveguide if you are doing dual pol.  

From: Keefe John 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2019 9:05 AM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

How does your dragonwave version differ from the commscope standard version? 

Keefe

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019, 9:50 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Look at the antenna.  The waveguide is either circular inside like a pipe or 
tube or it has a rectangular interior shape.


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 4, 2019, at 6:19 AM, Tim Hardy  wrote:


Normally, the -A would designate Andrew (see here) 

https://www.scribd.com/document/348184480/Andrew-Antenna-Specs


But, it really doesn’t matter - the whole reason for selling these as 
“Dragonwave” antennas is they controlled the flange or mount.  I believe that 
CommScope and RW were not allowed to sell the mount directly, and you had to go 
through DW to get it.  The specs on this antenna list it as single polarized, 
and you’ll have to look at the feedhorn to see what you have here.  If it’s not 
circular, you will have to get a dual-polarized feedhorn.  

I’m not up to speed on Chuck’s adaptor, but you may have to remove the DW 
flange or mount to get this to work properly with it.  Hopefully an OMT is 
included somewhere in here?

https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=a-ant-11g-36-c


Sent from my iPad

On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:04 PM, Keefe John  wrote:


  The antenna model is A-ANT-11G-36-C-A 

  Keefe

  On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 8:52 PM Keefe John  wrote:

These are the radiowaves ones.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 5:41 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Good point. Has to be circular waveguide on the antenna.


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 3, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Tim Hardy  wrote:


Dragonwave never made antennas - they private labeled either 
Commscope ValueLine or RadioWaves antennas.  These would require an OMT or 
dual-polarized feeds to get both polarizations.



  On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Keefe John  
wrote:

  The TX power is correct. 

  We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't 
see an issue when installed.

  It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are 
correct Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.

  Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two 
polarities at once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are 
dual pol in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically 
on the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?

  Keefe

  Keefe John 
  CEO
  Ethoplex 
  Direct: 262.345.5200 
   
  Ethoplex Business Internet 
  http://www.ethoplex.com/ 
  Signal Residential Internet 
  http://www.signalisp.com/ 

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  On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  
wrote:

Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db 
down but doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  
wrote:
> 
> We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and 
used Chuck's adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're 
seeing a 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original Dragonwaves 
was 1 or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-04 Thread Chuck McCown 
My versions match the radio, not the antenna.  In other words, I don’t care 
what the antenna is, if it was designed to work with a Remec, or DW or Exalt or 
whatever my adapter will fit.  

From: Keefe John 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2019 9:05 AM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

How does your dragonwave version differ from the commscope standard version? 

Keefe

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019, 9:50 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Look at the antenna.  The waveguide is either circular inside like a pipe or 
tube or it has a rectangular interior shape.


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 4, 2019, at 6:19 AM, Tim Hardy  wrote:


Normally, the -A would designate Andrew (see here) 

https://www.scribd.com/document/348184480/Andrew-Antenna-Specs


But, it really doesn’t matter - the whole reason for selling these as 
“Dragonwave” antennas is they controlled the flange or mount.  I believe that 
CommScope and RW were not allowed to sell the mount directly, and you had to go 
through DW to get it.  The specs on this antenna list it as single polarized, 
and you’ll have to look at the feedhorn to see what you have here.  If it’s not 
circular, you will have to get a dual-polarized feedhorn.  

I’m not up to speed on Chuck’s adaptor, but you may have to remove the DW 
flange or mount to get this to work properly with it.  Hopefully an OMT is 
included somewhere in here?

https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=a-ant-11g-36-c


Sent from my iPad

On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:04 PM, Keefe John  wrote:


  The antenna model is A-ANT-11G-36-C-A 

  Keefe

  On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 8:52 PM Keefe John  wrote:

These are the radiowaves ones.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 5:41 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Good point. Has to be circular waveguide on the antenna.


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 3, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Tim Hardy  wrote:


Dragonwave never made antennas - they private labeled either 
Commscope ValueLine or RadioWaves antennas.  These would require an OMT or 
dual-polarized feeds to get both polarizations.



  On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Keefe John  
wrote:

  The TX power is correct. 

  We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't 
see an issue when installed.

  It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are 
correct Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.

  Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two 
polarities at once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are 
dual pol in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically 
on the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?

  Keefe

  Keefe John 
  CEO
  Ethoplex 
  Direct: 262.345.5200 
   
  Ethoplex Business Internet 
  http://www.ethoplex.com/ 
  Signal Residential Internet 
  http://www.signalisp.com/ 

  https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/


  On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  
wrote:

Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db 
down but doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  
wrote:
> 
> We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and 
used Chuck's adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're 
seeing a 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original Dragonwaves 
was 1 or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-04 Thread Keefe John 
How does your dragonwave version differ from the commscope standard version?

Keefe

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019, 9:50 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Look at the antenna.  The waveguide is either circular inside like a pipe
> or tube or it has a rectangular interior shape.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 4, 2019, at 6:19 AM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
> Normally, the -A would designate Andrew (see here)
>
> https://www.scribd.com/document/348184480/Andrew-Antenna-Specs
>
> But, it really doesn’t matter - the whole reason for selling these as
> “Dragonwave” antennas is they controlled the flange or mount.  I believe
> that CommScope and RW were not allowed to sell the mount directly, and you
> had to go through DW to get it.  The specs on this antenna list it as
> single polarized, and you’ll have to look at the feedhorn to see what you
> have here.  If it’s not circular, you will have to get a dual-polarized
> feedhorn.
>
> I’m not up to speed on Chuck’s adaptor, but you may have to remove the DW
> flange or mount to get this to work properly with it.  Hopefully an OMT is
> included somewhere in here?
>
> https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=a-ant-11g-36-c
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:04 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
>
> The antenna model is A-ANT-11G-36-C-A
>
> Keefe
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 8:52 PM Keefe John  wrote:
>
>> These are the radiowaves ones.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 5:41 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Good point. Has to be circular waveguide on the antenna.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dragonwave never made antennas - they private labeled either Commscope
>>> ValueLine or RadioWaves antennas.  These would require an OMT or
>>> dual-polarized feeds to get both polarizations.
>>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>>>
>>> The TX power is correct.
>>>
>>> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an
>>> issue when installed.
>>>
>>> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are
>>> correct Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
>>>
>>> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities
>>> at once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual
>>> pol in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically
>>> on the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?
>>>
>>> Keefe
>>>
>>> Keefe John
>>> CEO
>>> Ethoplex
>>> Direct: 262.345.5200
>>> 
>>> Ethoplex Business Internet
>>> http://www.ethoplex.com/
>>> Signal Residential Internet
>>> http://www.signalisp.com/
>>>
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down
 but doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
 >
 > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used
 Chuck's adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're
 seeing a 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original
 Dragonwaves was 1 or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-04 Thread Chuck McCown 
Look at the antenna.  The waveguide is either circular inside like a pipe or 
tube or it has a rectangular interior shape.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 4, 2019, at 6:19 AM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
> 
> Normally, the -A would designate Andrew (see here)
> 
> https://www.scribd.com/document/348184480/Andrew-Antenna-Specs
> 
> But, it really doesn’t matter - the whole reason for selling these as 
> “Dragonwave” antennas is they controlled the flange or mount.  I believe that 
> CommScope and RW were not allowed to sell the mount directly, and you had to 
> go through DW to get it.  The specs on this antenna list it as single 
> polarized, and you’ll have to look at the feedhorn to see what you have here. 
>  If it’s not circular, you will have to get a dual-polarized feedhorn.  
> 
> I’m not up to speed on Chuck’s adaptor, but you may have to remove the DW 
> flange or mount to get this to work properly with it.  Hopefully an OMT is 
> included somewhere in here?
> 
> https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=a-ant-11g-36-c
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:04 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
>> 
>> The antenna model is A-ANT-11G-36-C-A
>> 
>> Keefe
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 8:52 PM Keefe John  wrote:
>>> These are the radiowaves ones.
>>> 
 On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 5:41 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
 Good point. Has to be circular waveguide on the antenna.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
> 
> Dragonwave never made antennas - they private labeled either Commscope 
> ValueLine or RadioWaves antennas.  These would require an OMT or 
> dual-polarized feeds to get both polarizations.
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>> 
>> The TX power is correct.
>> 
>> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an 
>> issue when installed.
>> 
>> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are 
>> correct Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
>> 
>> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities 
>> at once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are 
>> dual pol in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or 
>> vertically on the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at 
>> once?
>> 
>> Keefe
>> 
>> Keefe John
>> CEO
>> Ethoplex 
>> Direct: 262.345.5200 
>>  
>> Ethoplex Business Internet 
>> http://www.ethoplex.com/ 
>> Signal Residential Internet 
>> http://www.signalisp.com/ 
>> 
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down 
>>> but doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used 
>>> > Chuck's adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now 
>>> > we're seeing a 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the 
>>> > original Dragonwaves was 1 or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the 
>>> > problem?
>>> > 
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-04 Thread Chuck McCown 
My adapter is a circular to sma adapter.  The interface is mechanically 
identical to the radio.  So it fits over the nose of the antenna in the same 
way the radio does.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 4, 2019, at 6:19 AM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
> 
> Normally, the -A would designate Andrew (see here)
> 
> https://www.scribd.com/document/348184480/Andrew-Antenna-Specs
> 
> But, it really doesn’t matter - the whole reason for selling these as 
> “Dragonwave” antennas is they controlled the flange or mount.  I believe that 
> CommScope and RW were not allowed to sell the mount directly, and you had to 
> go through DW to get it.  The specs on this antenna list it as single 
> polarized, and you’ll have to look at the feedhorn to see what you have here. 
>  If it’s not circular, you will have to get a dual-polarized feedhorn.  
> 
> I’m not up to speed on Chuck’s adaptor, but you may have to remove the DW 
> flange or mount to get this to work properly with it.  Hopefully an OMT is 
> included somewhere in here?
> 
> https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=a-ant-11g-36-c
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:04 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
>> 
>> The antenna model is A-ANT-11G-36-C-A
>> 
>> Keefe
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 8:52 PM Keefe John  wrote:
>>> These are the radiowaves ones.
>>> 
 On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 5:41 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
 Good point. Has to be circular waveguide on the antenna.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
> 
> Dragonwave never made antennas - they private labeled either Commscope 
> ValueLine or RadioWaves antennas.  These would require an OMT or 
> dual-polarized feeds to get both polarizations.
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>> 
>> The TX power is correct.
>> 
>> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an 
>> issue when installed.
>> 
>> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are 
>> correct Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
>> 
>> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities 
>> at once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are 
>> dual pol in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or 
>> vertically on the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at 
>> once?
>> 
>> Keefe
>> 
>> Keefe John
>> CEO
>> Ethoplex 
>> Direct: 262.345.5200 
>>  
>> Ethoplex Business Internet 
>> http://www.ethoplex.com/ 
>> Signal Residential Internet 
>> http://www.signalisp.com/ 
>> 
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down 
>>> but doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used 
>>> > Chuck's adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now 
>>> > we're seeing a 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the 
>>> > original Dragonwaves was 1 or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the 
>>> > problem?
>>> > 
>>> > Keefe
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-04 Thread Tim Hardy 
Normally, the -A would designate Andrew (see here)

https://www.scribd.com/document/348184480/Andrew-Antenna-Specs

But, it really doesn’t matter - the whole reason for selling these as 
“Dragonwave” antennas is they controlled the flange or mount.  I believe that 
CommScope and RW were not allowed to sell the mount directly, and you had to go 
through DW to get it.  The specs on this antenna list it as single polarized, 
and you’ll have to look at the feedhorn to see what you have here.  If it’s not 
circular, you will have to get a dual-polarized feedhorn.  

I’m not up to speed on Chuck’s adaptor, but you may have to remove the DW 
flange or mount to get this to work properly with it.  Hopefully an OMT is 
included somewhere in here?

https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=a-ant-11g-36-c

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:04 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
> 
> The antenna model is A-ANT-11G-36-C-A
> 
> Keefe
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 8:52 PM Keefe John  wrote:
>> These are the radiowaves ones.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 5:41 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> Good point. Has to be circular waveguide on the antenna.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 3, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
 
 Dragonwave never made antennas - they private labeled either Commscope 
 ValueLine or RadioWaves antennas.  These would require an OMT or 
 dual-polarized feeds to get both polarizations.
 
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
> 
> The TX power is correct.
> 
> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an 
> issue when installed.
> 
> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are correct 
> Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
> 
> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities at 
> once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual 
> pol in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or 
> vertically on the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?
> 
> Keefe
> 
> Keefe John
> CEO
> Ethoplex 
> Direct: 262.345.5200 
>  
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> http://www.ethoplex.com/ 
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> 
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but 
>> doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>> > 
>> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used 
>> > Chuck's adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now 
>> > we're seeing a 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original 
>> > Dragonwaves was 1 or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
>> > 
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Keefe John 
The antenna model is A-ANT-11G-36-C-A

Keefe

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 8:52 PM Keefe John  wrote:

> These are the radiowaves ones.
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 5:41 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Good point. Has to be circular waveguide on the antenna.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
>>
>> Dragonwave never made antennas - they private labeled either Commscope
>> ValueLine or RadioWaves antennas.  These would require an OMT or
>> dual-polarized feeds to get both polarizations.
>>
>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>>
>> The TX power is correct.
>>
>> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an
>> issue when installed.
>>
>> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are correct
>> Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
>>
>> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities at
>> once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual pol
>> in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically on
>> the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?
>>
>> Keefe
>>
>> Keefe John
>> CEO
>> Ethoplex
>> Direct: 262.345.5200
>> 
>> Ethoplex Business Internet
>> http://www.ethoplex.com/
>> Signal Residential Internet
>> http://www.signalisp.com/
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but
>>> doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used
>>> Chuck's adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're
>>> seeing a 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original
>>> Dragonwaves was 1 or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
>>> >
>>> > Keefe
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Keefe John 
These are the radiowaves ones.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 5:41 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Good point. Has to be circular waveguide on the antenna.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
> Dragonwave never made antennas - they private labeled either Commscope
> ValueLine or RadioWaves antennas.  These would require an OMT or
> dual-polarized feeds to get both polarizations.
>
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>
> The TX power is correct.
>
> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an
> issue when installed.
>
> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are correct
> Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
>
> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities at
> once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual pol
> in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically on
> the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?
>
> Keefe
>
> Keefe John
> CEO
> Ethoplex
> Direct: 262.345.5200
> 
> Ethoplex Business Internet
> http://www.ethoplex.com/
> Signal Residential Internet
> http://www.signalisp.com/
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but
>> doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>> >
>> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used Chuck's
>> adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're seeing a
>> 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original Dragonwaves was 1
>> or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
>> >
>> > Keefe
>> > --
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Chuck McCown 
Good point. Has to be circular waveguide on the antenna.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
> 
> Dragonwave never made antennas - they private labeled either Commscope 
> ValueLine or RadioWaves antennas.  These would require an OMT or 
> dual-polarized feeds to get both polarizations.
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>> 
>> The TX power is correct.
>> 
>> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an issue 
>> when installed.
>> 
>> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are correct 
>> Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
>> 
>> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities at 
>> once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual pol 
>> in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically on 
>> the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?
>> 
>> Keefe
>> 
>> Keefe John
>> CEO
>> Ethoplex 
>> Direct: 262.345.5200 
>>  
>> Ethoplex Business Internet 
>> http://www.ethoplex.com/ 
>> Signal Residential Internet 
>> http://www.signalisp.com/ 
>> 
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but 
>>> doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used Chuck's 
>>> > adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're seeing a 
>>> > 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original Dragonwaves was 1 
>>> > or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
>>> > 
>>> > Keefe
>>> > -- 
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Tim Hardy 
Dragonwave never made antennas - they private labeled either Commscope 
ValueLine or RadioWaves antennas.  These would require an OMT or dual-polarized 
feeds to get both polarizations.

> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
> 
> The TX power is correct.
> 
> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an issue 
> when installed.
> 
> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are correct 
> Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
> 
> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities at 
> once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual pol in 
> that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically on the 
> back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?
> 
> Keefe
> 
> Keefe John
> CEO
> Ethoplex 
> Direct: 262.345.5200 
>  
> Ethoplex Business Internet 
> http://www.ethoplex.com/  
> Signal Residential Internet 
> http://www.signalisp.com/  
> 
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/ 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  > wrote:
> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but 
> doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  > > wrote:
> > 
> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used Chuck's 
> > adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're seeing a 
> > 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original Dragonwaves was 1 
> > or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
> > 
> > Keefe
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Keefe John 
The duplexors are in the proper alignment and they are not the mis-labeled
ones.  We've had that issue before.


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 2:06 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:

> Exactly - mislabeled duplexers has been a known problem.
>
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 12:18 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> Did you make sure you have the duplexors connected the right direction? I
> did that wrong once... and make sure you have the right duplexors for the
> sub-band you're on.
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:50 AM Brian Sullivan 
> wrote:
>
>> It's important to note when you attach the duplexors to the radio that
>> you are tightening both SMA connectors at the same time.
>> They warn about damage than can occur if you tighten them down one at a
>> time.
>>
>> On 7/3/2019 10:14 AM, Keefe John wrote:
>>
>> They are N Connectors and they came with the adapter from Chuck.
>>
>> We're going to double-check the tightness of the adapter and swap the
>> leads tonight.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:05 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Could be the adapter.  They are pretty simple and hard to screw up, but
>>> the cables could be bad too.  I have made very few of these things.  So
>>> far, no failures that I know about but there is always the first time.
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:00 AM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters
>>>
>>>
>>> Make sure you don’t have a mixup between SMA and RPSMA connectors.  I
>>> did that once, I assumed everything was RP and got an antenna with regular
>>> SMA connectors on it.  Had to buy different coax cables.  Signal was trying
>>> to jump the air gap between two female inner connectors.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Keefe John
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:28 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters
>>>
>>>
>>> The TX power is correct.
>>>
>>>
>>> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an
>>> issue when installed.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are
>>> correct Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities
>>> at once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual
>>> pol in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically
>>> on the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?
>>>
>>>
>>> Keefe
>>>
>>>
>>> Keefe John
>>>
>>> CEO
>>>
>>> Ethoplex
>>> Direct: 262.345.5200
>>>
>>> 
>>> Ethoplex Business Internet
>>> http://www.ethoplex.com/
>>> Signal Residential Internet
>>> http://www.signalisp.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but
>>> doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used
>>> Chuck's adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're
>>> seeing a 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original
>>> Dragonwaves was 1 or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
>>> >
>>> > Keefe
>>> > --
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Tim Hardy 
Exactly - mislabeled duplexers has been a known problem.

> On Jul 3, 2019, at 12:18 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> Did you make sure you have the duplexors connected the right direction? I did 
> that wrong once... and make sure you have the right duplexors for the 
> sub-band you're on.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:50 AM Brian Sullivan  <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> wrote:
> It's important to note when you attach the duplexors to the radio that you 
> are tightening both SMA connectors at the same time.
> They warn about damage than can occur if you tighten them down one at a time.
> 
> On 7/3/2019 10:14 AM, Keefe John wrote:
>> They are N Connectors and they came with the adapter from Chuck.
>> 
>> We're going to double-check the tightness of the adapter and swap the leads 
>> tonight.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:05 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> Could be the adapter.  They are pretty simple and hard to screw up, but the 
>> cables could be bad too.  I have made very few of these things.  So far, no 
>> failures that I know about but there is always the first time. 
>>  
>> From: Ken Hohhof <>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:00 AM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters
>>  
>> Make sure you don’t have a mixup between SMA and RPSMA connectors.  I did 
>> that once, I assumed everything was RP and got an antenna with regular SMA 
>> connectors on it.  Had to buy different coax cables.  Signal was trying to 
>> jump the air gap between two female inner connectors.
>> 
>>  
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
>> Behalf Of Keefe John
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:28 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters
>> 
>>  
>> The TX power is correct.
>> 
>>  
>> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an issue 
>> when installed.
>> 
>>  
>> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are correct 
>> Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
>> 
>>  
>> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities at 
>> once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual pol 
>> in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically on 
>> the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?
>> 
>>  
>> Keefe
>> 
>> 
>> Keefe John
>> 
>> CEO
>> 
>> Ethoplex 
>> Direct: 262.345.5200
>> 
>>  
>> Ethoplex Business Internet 
>> http://www.ethoplex.com/ <http://www.ethoplex.com/> 
>> Signal Residential Internet 
>> http://www.signalisp.com/ <http://www.signalisp.com/> 
>> 
>>  
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/ 
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/>
>>  
>>  
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown > wrote:
>> 
>> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but 
>> doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John > wrote:
>> > 
>> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used Chuck's 
>> > adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're seeing a 
>> > 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original Dragonwaves was 1 
>> > or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
>> > 
>> > Keefe
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Mathew Howard 
Did you make sure you have the duplexors connected the right direction? I
did that wrong once... and make sure you have the right duplexors for the
sub-band you're on.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:50 AM Brian Sullivan 
wrote:

> It's important to note when you attach the duplexors to the radio that you
> are tightening both SMA connectors at the same time.
> They warn about damage than can occur if you tighten them down one at a
> time.
>
> On 7/3/2019 10:14 AM, Keefe John wrote:
>
> They are N Connectors and they came with the adapter from Chuck.
>
> We're going to double-check the tightness of the adapter and swap the
> leads tonight.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:05 AM  wrote:
>
>> Could be the adapter.  They are pretty simple and hard to screw up, but
>> the cables could be bad too.  I have made very few of these things.  So
>> far, no failures that I know about but there is always the first time.
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:00 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters
>>
>>
>> Make sure you don’t have a mixup between SMA and RPSMA connectors.  I did
>> that once, I assumed everything was RP and got an antenna with regular SMA
>> connectors on it.  Had to buy different coax cables.  Signal was trying to
>> jump the air gap between two female inner connectors.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Keefe John
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:28 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters
>>
>>
>>
>> The TX power is correct.
>>
>>
>>
>> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an
>> issue when installed.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are correct
>> Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities at
>> once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual pol
>> in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically on
>> the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?
>>
>>
>>
>> Keefe
>>
>>
>> Keefe John
>>
>> CEO
>>
>> Ethoplex
>> Direct: 262.345.5200
>>
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>>
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but
>> doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>> >
>> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used Chuck's
>> adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're seeing a
>> 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original Dragonwaves was 1
>> or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Brian Sullivan 
It's important to note when you attach the duplexors to the radio that 
you are tightening both SMA connectors at the same time.
They warn about damage than can occur if you tighten them down one at a 
time.


On 7/3/2019 10:14 AM, Keefe John wrote:

They are N Connectors and they came with the adapter from Chuck.

We're going to double-check the tightness of the adapter and swap the 
leads tonight.



On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:05 AM <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


Could be the adapter.  They are pretty simple and hard to screw
up, but the cables could be bad too.  I have made very few of
these things.  So far, no failures that I know about but there is
always the first time.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:00 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

Make sure you don’t have a mixup between SMA and RPSMA
connectors.  I did that once, I assumed everything was RP and got
an antenna with regular SMA connectors on it.  Had to buy
different coax cables.  Signal was trying to jump the air gap
between two female inner connectors.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Keefe John
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:28 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

The TX power is correct.

We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't
see an issue when installed.

It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are
correct Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.

Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two
polarities at once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I
know they are dual pol in that you can connect a Dragonwave either
horizontally or vertically on the back of the dish but can you use
two polarities at once?

Keefe


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Direct: 262.345.5200


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On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about
20db down but doesn’t that radio automagically take care of
that for you?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John 
wrote:
>
> We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and
used Chuck's adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave
dishes. Now we're seeing a 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The
DSL with the original Dragonwaves was 1 or 2 db off the PCN.
What could be the problem?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Keefe John 
They are N Connectors and they came with the adapter from Chuck.

We're going to double-check the tightness of the adapter and swap the leads
tonight.


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:05 AM  wrote:

> Could be the adapter.  They are pretty simple and hard to screw up, but
> the cables could be bad too.  I have made very few of these things.  So
> far, no failures that I know about but there is always the first time.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:00 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters
>
>
> Make sure you don’t have a mixup between SMA and RPSMA connectors.  I did
> that once, I assumed everything was RP and got an antenna with regular SMA
> connectors on it.  Had to buy different coax cables.  Signal was trying to
> jump the air gap between two female inner connectors.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Keefe John
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:28 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters
>
>
>
> The TX power is correct.
>
>
>
> We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an
> issue when installed.
>
>
>
> It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are correct
> Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.
>
>
>
> Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities at
> once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual pol
> in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically on
> the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?
>
>
>
> Keefe
>
>
> Keefe John
>
> CEO
>
> Ethoplex
> Direct: 262.345.5200
>
> 
> Ethoplex Business Internet
> http://www.ethoplex.com/
> Signal Residential Internet
> http://www.signalisp.com/
>
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but
> doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
> >
> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used Chuck's
> adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're seeing a
> 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original Dragonwaves was 1
> or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Make sure you don’t have a mixup between SMA and RPSMA connectors.  I did that 
once, I assumed everything was RP and got an antenna with regular SMA 
connectors on it.  Had to buy different coax cables.  Signal was trying to jump 
the air gap between two female inner connectors.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

 

The TX power is correct.

 

We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an issue 
when installed.

 

It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are correct Chuck 
that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.

 

Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities at once? 
 I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual pol in that 
you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically on the back of 
the dish but can you use two polarities at once?

 

Keefe




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CEO

Ethoplex 
Direct: 262.345.5200 

 
Ethoplex Business Internet 
 <http://www.ethoplex.com/> http://www.ethoplex.com/ 
Signal Residential Internet 
 <http://www.signalisp.com/> http://www.signalisp.com/ 

 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/

 

 

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but 
doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  <mailto:kj...@ethoplex.com> > wrote:
> 
> We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used Chuck's 
> adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're seeing a 20 
> Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original Dragonwaves was 1 or 2 
> db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Keefe John 
The TX power is correct.

We'll double check the tightness but the techs said they didn't see an
issue when installed.

It is possible the leads are switched at one end, however you are correct
Chuck that UBNT claims that doesn't matter with this radio.

Is anyone sure the Dragonwave dishes actually work with two polarities at
once?  I believe the literature says single pol.  I know they are dual pol
in that you can connect a Dragonwave either horizontally or vertically on
the back of the dish but can you use two polarities at once?

Keefe

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CEO
Ethoplex
Direct: 262.345.5200

Ethoplex Business Internet
http://www.ethoplex.com/
Signal Residential Internet
http://www.signalisp.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:56 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but
> doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
> >
> > We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used Chuck's
> adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're seeing a
> 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original Dragonwaves was 1
> or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Chuck McCown 
Both chains and both directions?  Cross pol would be about 20db down but 
doesn’t that radio automagically take care of that for you?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
> 
> We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used Chuck's 
> adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now we're seeing a 20 
> Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original Dragonwaves was 1 or 2 
> db off the PCN. What could be the problem?
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Re: [AFMUG] 20 Db Loss with AF-11FX Adapters

2019-07-03 Thread Nate Burke 
Correct TX Power in the AF11?  Have you checked the adapter is still 
tight on the dish?  We had one where the clips wouldn't stay latched.  
We had to secure them with zipties.


On 7/3/2019 8:24 AM, Keefe John wrote:
We took a Dragonwave Horizon Compact Pluses off a link and used 
Chuck's adapters to install AF-11FXs on the Dragonwave dishes. Now 
we're seeing a 20 Db signal loss on the RSL. The DSL with the original 
Dragonwaves was 1 or 2 db off the PCN. What could be the problem?


Keefe




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