Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

[Lewis Bergman]

It wasn't for that use when I was using it but where we spent time you
tried everything. That was the only thing that worked against everything.

On Thu, May 9, 2019, 10:11 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I thought you guys were kidding about some off-label use of an Avon skin
> lotion, but apparently this is for real.  If you look up the active
> ingredient in Wikipedia it lists other repellants including one I think
> from the UK called Smidge.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icaridin#Commercial_products
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:19 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season
>
>
>
> They call it out right in the description too:
>
>
> https://www.avon.com/product/skin-so-soft-bug-guard-plus-ir3535-expedition-spf-30-family-size-pump-spray-47861?rrec=false
>
> Find yourself an Avon lady Chuck :-)
>
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> Lewis Bergman wrote on 5/8/19 19:58:
>
> Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in the
> USMC it repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be outside my
> shop during certain hours of the day.  I got some mosquito nets that are to
> be worn over the hat.  The bugs get through.
>
>
>
> Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.
>
> We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my shop.  Perfect
> breeding grounds.
>
> Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?
>
>
>
> I pine for a bag of DDT wetable powder.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

[Robert Andrews]

The margins were because of a lucky circumstance.   Selling to the gov't 
is highly regulated with very specific margins.  Great way to limit your 
growth.   Because the oil companies decided to start doing shot analysis 
in the field instead of recording and bringing back to the office they 
needed a ruggedized field computer.   They bought them like Pez!
   Because ROLM could prove that more than 50% of sales was not to the 
Gov't we could set our own prices and the Gov't had to buy list.  And 
the oil companies were rocking and rolling so the price was high.
  ROLM was descended from a group at GTE that did a lot of military 
radio comms projects and so had good military roots.   They didn't start 
with doing the PBX's that actually came about 5 years later.   They saw 
that Mil-spec was limited in growth and term ( they understood that 
processors would come to dominate, very sharp engineers ).


 You pretty much nailed ROLM ( GREAT PLACE TO WORK, company slogan ) 
except that the PBX's weren't an original thought.   I was there from 
82-85 when the IBM and acquisition and then the Loral spin off of the 
mil-spec systems happened.  We were on the moon when IBM bought and in 
the dumps when the DOJ said IBM had to sell us.


One of the best times was working with Red Force where I got to go up to 
the snake river canyon and watch B-52's fly by below us up the canyon 
from the rim where our Red Force radars ( run by ROLM computers ) were 
the bad actors for the BUFFS to decoy and jam.  Yes we got off the cliff 
when they lit the jammers up, you could cook chicken with the as close 
as they were.   Went there three times with new code and one time they 
flew the snake in fog.   That was totally awesome!   I also worked 
extensively on GLCM and SLCM projects..


 Oh  Ken Oshman was a great CEO and Dennis Pabojian (sp?) was a 
computer savant.. even though he didn't like UNIX.


On 05/09/2019 09:50 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Rolm was an interesting beast.

They started out selling ruggedized DG gear (Rugged Nova was one of 
their first products). They took a basic DG minicomputer, and put it 
into a mil-spec package. None of the components actually came from DG, 
they built it ground up to take a beating at incredible temperature and 
vibration extremes. They also sold it at incredible margins. It was a 
cash cow.


But the CEO said from the beginning that the military-grade computer 
systems were only a means to build cash in order to bootstrap the Rolm 
PBX system. At the time it came to market, it was the Cadillac of PBX 
systems. I lost track of them after that.


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On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 9:44 AM <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


ROLM, have not thought about them for a very long time.  They had ISDN
stuff, right?

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:31 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

They say success kills more businesses...   I say it is getting the $$
from people that does.  I know of about 5 people who set up businesses,
had fairly good success selling and totally failed at collecting.   I
used to work in sales engineering at some big companies ( IBM, ROLM )
and I couldn't believe the number of salesdroids that absolutely had no
sense of making a sale except giving away the product.  The customers
saw them coming a mile away ( basically the first phone call )..   These
sales would drag the district results in the toilet for the 6 months to
a year to get rid of the non-sales person and impact results for
years...   Usually a 4 to one ratio of salesdroit tries to success..
And these were for products that almost sold themselves...   Two
absolute needs in business, the ability to collect ( and twist and arm )
and the ability to fire..

On 05/09/2019 08:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
 > No longer Avon.  We were first married.  She used to lug her
stuff around
 > the small town where I was the “phone man”.  I knew absolutely every
 > person in that town, every dwelling, every dog.  I gave her a
nice list so
 > she wasn’t totally cold calling.  She enjoyed it until it came
time to
 > collect from some of those wonderful people...
 > *From:* Ken Hohhof
 > *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:11 AM
     > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season
 >
 > No longer married, or no longer an Avon lady?
 >
 > (OK, now that is reminding me of the lame old joke that starts
“it won’t
 > be long until we’re married”.)
 >
 > *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
     &g

Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

[Bill Prince]

Rolm was an interesting beast.

They started out selling ruggedized DG gear (Rugged Nova was one of their
first products). They took a basic DG minicomputer, and put it into a
mil-spec package. None of the components actually came from DG, they built
it ground up to take a beating at incredible temperature and vibration
extremes. They also sold it at incredible margins. It was a cash cow.

But the CEO said from the beginning that the military-grade computer
systems were only a means to build cash in order to bootstrap the Rolm PBX
system. At the time it came to market, it was the Cadillac of PBX systems.
I lost track of them after that.

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On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 9:44 AM  wrote:

> ROLM, have not thought about them for a very long time.  They had ISDN
> stuff, right?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:31 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season
>
> They say success kills more businesses...   I say it is getting the $$
> from people that does.  I know of about 5 people who set up businesses,
> had fairly good success selling and totally failed at collecting.   I
> used to work in sales engineering at some big companies ( IBM, ROLM )
> and I couldn't believe the number of salesdroids that absolutely had no
> sense of making a sale except giving away the product.  The customers
> saw them coming a mile away ( basically the first phone call )..   These
> sales would drag the district results in the toilet for the 6 months to
> a year to get rid of the non-sales person and impact results for
> years...   Usually a 4 to one ratio of salesdroit tries to success..
> And these were for products that almost sold themselves...   Two
> absolute needs in business, the ability to collect ( and twist and arm )
> and the ability to fire..
>
> On 05/09/2019 08:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > No longer Avon.  We were first married.  She used to lug her stuff
> around
> > the small town where I was the “phone man”.  I knew absolutely every
> > person in that town, every dwelling, every dog.  I gave her a nice list
> so
> > she wasn’t totally cold calling.  She enjoyed it until it came time to
> > collect from some of those wonderful people...
> > *From:* Ken Hohhof
> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:11 AM
> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season
> >
> > No longer married, or no longer an Avon lady?
> >
> > (OK, now that is reminding me of the lame old joke that starts “it won’t
> > be long until we’re married”.)
> >
> > *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:57 AM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season
> >
> > I used to be married to one.
> >
> > *From:*Daniel White
> >
> > *Sent:*Thursday, May 9, 2019 8:19 AM
> >
> > *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season
> >
> > They call it out right in the description too:
> >
> >
> https://www.avon.com/product/skin-so-soft-bug-guard-plus-ir3535-expedition-spf-30-family-size-pump-spray-47861?rrec=false
> >
> > Find yourself an Avon lady Chuck :-)
> >
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> > Lewis Bergman wrote on 5/8/19 19:58:
> >
> > Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in
> > the USMC it repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.
> >
> > On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >
> > Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be
> > outside my shop during certain hours of the day.  I got some
> > mosquito nets that are to be worn over the hat.  The bugs get
> > through.
> >
> > Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.
> >
> > We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my
> > shop.  Perfect breeding grounds.
> >
> > Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full h

Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

[Robert Andrews]

Phone switches and office systems.  First decent voice mail, callback, 
etc. etc. etc.   Always battling with Ma Bell.   But I was on the 
original ROLM side which was Mil-Spec computers and was hired as Systems 
engineering and to try to get them into doing a UNIX port which was 
bashing my head against the wall in a Data General household...   We 
made a 65% margin on our sales and, as we called it, threw the profits 
over the wall to support the phone systems side which lost money year 
after year...  But had all the hot buzzz...  Everybody remembers phone 
ROLM, nobody remembers the side that hauled the mail...  I learned how 
to read core memory, did a huge amount of assembly language 
optimization, got a top-secret clearance in two areas, worked on a 
boatload of projects with black curtains all around, and learned who 
really pushed the buttons that really mattered...


On 05/09/2019 09:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
ROLM, have not thought about them for a very long time.  They had ISDN 
stuff, right?


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:31 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

They say success kills more businesses...   I say it is getting the $$
from people that does.  I know of about 5 people who set up businesses,
had fairly good success selling and totally failed at collecting.   I
used to work in sales engineering at some big companies ( IBM, ROLM )
and I couldn't believe the number of salesdroids that absolutely had no
sense of making a sale except giving away the product.  The customers
saw them coming a mile away ( basically the first phone call )..   These
sales would drag the district results in the toilet for the 6 months to
a year to get rid of the non-sales person and impact results for
years...   Usually a 4 to one ratio of salesdroit tries to success..
And these were for products that almost sold themselves...   Two
absolute needs in business, the ability to collect ( and twist and arm )
and the ability to fire..

On 05/09/2019 08:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
No longer Avon.  We were first married.  She used to lug her stuff 
around the small town where I was the “phone man”.  I knew absolutely 
every person in that town, every dwelling, every dog.  I gave her a 
nice list so she wasn’t totally cold calling.  She enjoyed it until it 
came time to collect from some of those wonderful people...

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:11 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

No longer married, or no longer an Avon lady?

(OK, now that is reminding me of the lame old joke that starts “it 
won’t be long until we’re married”.)


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:57 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

I used to be married to one.

*From:*Daniel White

*Sent:*Thursday, May 9, 2019 8:19 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

They call it out right in the description too:

https://www.avon.com/product/skin-so-soft-bug-guard-plus-ir3535-expedition-spf-30-family-size-pump-spray-47861?rrec=false 



Find yourself an Avon lady Chuck :-)

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Lewis Bergman wrote on 5/8/19 19:58:

Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in
the USMC it repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.

On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be
outside my shop during certain hours of the day.  I got some
mosquito nets that are to be worn over the hat.  The bugs get
through.

Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.

We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my
shop.  Perfect breeding grounds.

Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?

I pine for a bag of DDT wetable powder.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

[Robert Andrews]

Collecting is part of why I think so many businesses want to go to a 
subscription model..


On 05/09/2019 09:41 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Yep, I have repeated many times that I have never regretted firing 
someone after the fact.

Almost always it is, I should have fired them a long time ago.

Collecting is simple.  Just have to be very persistent.
You don't need to be rude, disrespectful or strident.
Just persistent.
Inform them you will take them to court and you will win.
And then take them to court and win.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:31 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

They say success kills more businesses...   I say it is getting the $$
from people that does.  I know of about 5 people who set up businesses,
had fairly good success selling and totally failed at collecting.   I
used to work in sales engineering at some big companies ( IBM, ROLM )
and I couldn't believe the number of salesdroids that absolutely had no
sense of making a sale except giving away the product.  The customers
saw them coming a mile away ( basically the first phone call )..   These
sales would drag the district results in the toilet for the 6 months to
a year to get rid of the non-sales person and impact results for
years...   Usually a 4 to one ratio of salesdroit tries to success..
And these were for products that almost sold themselves...   Two
absolute needs in business, the ability to collect ( and twist and arm )
and the ability to fire..

On 05/09/2019 08:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
No longer Avon.  We were first married.  She used to lug her stuff 
around the small town where I was the “phone man”.  I knew absolutely 
every person in that town, every dwelling, every dog.  I gave her a 
nice list so she wasn’t totally cold calling.  She enjoyed it until it 
came time to collect from some of those wonderful people...

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:11 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

No longer married, or no longer an Avon lady?

(OK, now that is reminding me of the lame old joke that starts “it 
won’t be long until we’re married”.)


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:57 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

I used to be married to one.

*From:*Daniel White

*Sent:*Thursday, May 9, 2019 8:19 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

They call it out right in the description too:

https://www.avon.com/product/skin-so-soft-bug-guard-plus-ir3535-expedition-spf-30-family-size-pump-spray-47861?rrec=false 



Find yourself an Avon lady Chuck :-)

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Lewis Bergman wrote on 5/8/19 19:58:

Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in
the USMC it repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.

On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be
outside my shop during certain hours of the day.  I got some
mosquito nets that are to be worn over the hat.  The bugs get
through.

Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.

We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my
shop.  Perfect breeding grounds.

Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?

I pine for a bag of DDT wetable powder.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

[chuck]

ROLM, have not thought about them for a very long time.  They had ISDN 
stuff, right?


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:31 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

They say success kills more businesses...   I say it is getting the $$
from people that does.  I know of about 5 people who set up businesses,
had fairly good success selling and totally failed at collecting.   I
used to work in sales engineering at some big companies ( IBM, ROLM )
and I couldn't believe the number of salesdroids that absolutely had no
sense of making a sale except giving away the product.  The customers
saw them coming a mile away ( basically the first phone call )..   These
sales would drag the district results in the toilet for the 6 months to
a year to get rid of the non-sales person and impact results for
years...   Usually a 4 to one ratio of salesdroit tries to success..
And these were for products that almost sold themselves...   Two
absolute needs in business, the ability to collect ( and twist and arm )
and the ability to fire..

On 05/09/2019 08:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
No longer Avon.  We were first married.  She used to lug her stuff around 
the small town where I was the “phone man”.  I knew absolutely every 
person in that town, every dwelling, every dog.  I gave her a nice list so 
she wasn’t totally cold calling.  She enjoyed it until it came time to 
collect from some of those wonderful people...

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:11 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

No longer married, or no longer an Avon lady?

(OK, now that is reminding me of the lame old joke that starts “it won’t 
be long until we’re married”.)


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:57 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

I used to be married to one.

*From:*Daniel White

*Sent:*Thursday, May 9, 2019 8:19 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

They call it out right in the description too:

https://www.avon.com/product/skin-so-soft-bug-guard-plus-ir3535-expedition-spf-30-family-size-pump-spray-47861?rrec=false

Find yourself an Avon lady Chuck :-)

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Lewis Bergman wrote on 5/8/19 19:58:

Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in
the USMC it repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.

On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be
outside my shop during certain hours of the day.  I got some
mosquito nets that are to be worn over the hat.  The bugs get
through.

Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.

We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my
shop.  Perfect breeding grounds.

Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?

I pine for a bag of DDT wetable powder.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

[chuck]

Yep, I have repeated many times that I have never regretted firing someone 
after the fact.

Almost always it is, I should have fired them a long time ago.

Collecting is simple.  Just have to be very persistent.
You don't need to be rude, disrespectful or strident.
Just persistent.
Inform them you will take them to court and you will win.
And then take them to court and win.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:31 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

They say success kills more businesses...   I say it is getting the $$
from people that does.  I know of about 5 people who set up businesses,
had fairly good success selling and totally failed at collecting.   I
used to work in sales engineering at some big companies ( IBM, ROLM )
and I couldn't believe the number of salesdroids that absolutely had no
sense of making a sale except giving away the product.  The customers
saw them coming a mile away ( basically the first phone call )..   These
sales would drag the district results in the toilet for the 6 months to
a year to get rid of the non-sales person and impact results for
years...   Usually a 4 to one ratio of salesdroit tries to success..
And these were for products that almost sold themselves...   Two
absolute needs in business, the ability to collect ( and twist and arm )
and the ability to fire..

On 05/09/2019 08:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
No longer Avon.  We were first married.  She used to lug her stuff around 
the small town where I was the “phone man”.  I knew absolutely every 
person in that town, every dwelling, every dog.  I gave her a nice list so 
she wasn’t totally cold calling.  She enjoyed it until it came time to 
collect from some of those wonderful people...

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:11 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

No longer married, or no longer an Avon lady?

(OK, now that is reminding me of the lame old joke that starts “it won’t 
be long until we’re married”.)


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:57 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

I used to be married to one.

*From:*Daniel White

*Sent:*Thursday, May 9, 2019 8:19 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

They call it out right in the description too:

https://www.avon.com/product/skin-so-soft-bug-guard-plus-ir3535-expedition-spf-30-family-size-pump-spray-47861?rrec=false

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Lewis Bergman wrote on 5/8/19 19:58:

Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in
the USMC it repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.

On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be
outside my shop during certain hours of the day.  I got some
mosquito nets that are to be worn over the hat.  The bugs get
through.

Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.

We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my
shop.  Perfect breeding grounds.

Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

[Robert Andrews]

They say success kills more businesses...   I say it is getting the $$ 
from people that does.  I know of about 5 people who set up businesses, 
had fairly good success selling and totally failed at collecting.   I 
used to work in sales engineering at some big companies ( IBM, ROLM ) 
and I couldn't believe the number of salesdroids that absolutely had no 
sense of making a sale except giving away the product.  The customers 
saw them coming a mile away ( basically the first phone call )..   These 
sales would drag the district results in the toilet for the 6 months to 
a year to get rid of the non-sales person and impact results for 
years...   Usually a 4 to one ratio of salesdroit tries to success.. 
And these were for products that almost sold themselves...   Two 
absolute needs in business, the ability to collect ( and twist and arm ) 
and the ability to fire..


On 05/09/2019 08:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
No longer Avon.  We were first married.  She used to lug her stuff 
around the small town where I was the “phone man”.  I knew absolutely 
every person in that town, every dwelling, every dog.  I gave her a nice 
list so she wasn’t totally cold calling.  She enjoyed it until it came 
time to collect from some of those wonderful people...

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:11 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

No longer married, or no longer an Avon lady?

(OK, now that is reminding me of the lame old joke that starts “it won’t 
be long until we’re married”.)


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:57 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

I used to be married to one.

*From:*Daniel White

*Sent:*Thursday, May 9, 2019 8:19 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

They call it out right in the description too:

https://www.avon.com/product/skin-so-soft-bug-guard-plus-ir3535-expedition-spf-30-family-size-pump-spray-47861?rrec=false

Find yourself an Avon lady Chuck :-)

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Lewis Bergman wrote on 5/8/19 19:58:

Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in
the USMC it repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.

On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be
outside my shop during certain hours of the day.  I got some
mosquito nets that are to be worn over the hat.  The bugs get
through.

Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.

We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my
shop.  Perfect breeding grounds.

Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?

I pine for a bag of DDT wetable powder.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

[chuck]

No longer Avon.  We were first married.  She used to lug her stuff around the 
small town where I was the “phone man”.  I knew absolutely every person in that 
town, every dwelling, every dog.  I gave her a nice list so she wasn’t totally 
cold calling.  She enjoyed it until it came time to collect from some of those 
wonderful people...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:11 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

No longer married, or no longer an Avon lady?

 

(OK, now that is reminding me of the lame old joke that starts “it won’t be 
long until we’re married”.)

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

 

I used to be married to one.  

 

From: Daniel White 

Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 8:19 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

 

They call it out right in the description too:

https://www.avon.com/product/skin-so-soft-bug-guard-plus-ir3535-expedition-spf-30-family-size-pump-spray-47861?rrec=false

Find yourself an Avon lady Chuck :-)

 


 Daniel White
   
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direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
   
   
   
 

Lewis Bergman wrote on 5/8/19 19:58:



  Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in the USMC 
it repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.

   

  On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be outside my 
shop during certain hours of the day.  I got some mosquito nets that are to be 
worn over the hat.  The bugs get through.  

 

Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.  

We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my shop.  Perfect 
breeding grounds.  

Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?

 

I pine for a bag of DDT wetable powder.  

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[Ken Hohhof]

No longer married, or no longer an Avon lady?

 

(OK, now that is reminding me of the lame old joke that starts “it won’t be 
long until we’re married”.)

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

 

I used to be married to one.  

 

From: Daniel White 

Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 8:19 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

 

They call it out right in the description too:

https://www.avon.com/product/skin-so-soft-bug-guard-plus-ir3535-expedition-spf-30-family-size-pump-spray-47861?rrec=false

Find yourself an Avon lady Chuck :-)

 


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Lewis Bergman wrote on 5/8/19 19:58:



Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in the USMC it 
repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.

 

On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be outside my shop 
during certain hours of the day.  I got some mosquito nets that are to be worn 
over the hat.  The bugs get through.  

 

Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.  

We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my shop.  Perfect 
breeding grounds.  

Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

[Ken Hohhof]

I thought you guys were kidding about some off-label use of an Avon skin 
lotion, but apparently this is for real.  If you look up the active ingredient 
in Wikipedia it lists other repellants including one I think from the UK called 
Smidge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icaridin#Commercial_products

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

 

They call it out right in the description too:

https://www.avon.com/product/skin-so-soft-bug-guard-plus-ir3535-expedition-spf-30-family-size-pump-spray-47861?rrec=false

Find yourself an Avon lady Chuck :-)

 


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Lewis Bergman wrote on 5/8/19 19:58:



Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in the USMC it 
repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.

 

On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be outside my shop 
during certain hours of the day.  I got some mosquito nets that are to be worn 
over the hat.  The bugs get through.  

 

Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.  

We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my shop.  Perfect 
breeding grounds.  

Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?

 

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[chuck]

I used to be married to one.  

From: Daniel White 
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 8:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

They call it out right in the description too:

https://www.avon.com/product/skin-so-soft-bug-guard-plus-ir3535-expedition-spf-30-family-size-pump-spray-47861?rrec=false

Find yourself an Avon lady Chuck :-)


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direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 

 

Lewis Bergman wrote on 5/8/19 19:58:

  Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in the USMC 
it repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.

  On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be outside my 
shop during certain hours of the day.  I got some mosquito nets that are to be 
worn over the hat.  The bugs get through.  

Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.  
We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my shop.  Perfect 
breeding grounds.  
Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?

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[Daniel White]

They call it out right in the description too:

https://www.avon.com/product/skin-so-soft-bug-guard-plus-ir3535-expedition-spf-30-family-size-pump-spray-47861?rrec=false

Find yourself an Avon lady Chuck :-)


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Lewis Bergman wrote on 5/8/19 19:58:
Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in the 
USMC it repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.


On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be
outside my shop during certain hours of the day.  I got some
mosquito nets that are to be worn over the hat.  The bugs get
through.
Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.
We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my shop.
Perfect breeding grounds.
Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?
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[Chuck McCown]

Both were fun.  I can relate to the one with the flies.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2019, at 8:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> That’s great.
>  
> Reminds me of another Canadian animation which believe it or not we checked 
> out from the public library when our kids were little:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW9f04Dctz4
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
> Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 9:03 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season
>  
>  
> https://youtu.be/qjLBXb1kgMo
>  
>  
> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 9:00 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in the USMC 
> it repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.
>  
> On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
> Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be outside my shop 
> during certain hours of the day.  I got some mosquito nets that are to be 
> worn over the hat.  The bugs get through. 
>  
> Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them. 
> We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my shop.  Perfect 
> breeding grounds. 
> Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?
>  
> I pine for a bag of DDT wetable powder. 
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[dave]

Nuthin like the smell of avon in the morning LOL!


On 5/8/19 8:58 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in the 
USMC it repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.


On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


Every year, the biting midge flies come out. Miserable to be
outside my shop during certain hours of the day.  I got some
mosquito nets that are to be worn over the hat.  The bugs get
through.
Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.
We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my shop. 
Perfect breeding grounds.
Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?
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[Ken Hohhof]

That’s great.

 

Reminds me of another Canadian animation which believe it or not we checked out 
from the public library when our kids were little:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW9f04Dctz4

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 9:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

 

 

https://youtu.be/qjLBXb1kgMo

 

 

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 9:00 PM Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in the USMC it 
repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.

 

On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be outside my shop 
during certain hours of the day.  I got some mosquito nets that are to be worn 
over the hat.  The bugs get through.  

 

Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.  

We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my shop.  Perfect 
breeding grounds.  

Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?

 

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[Chuck McCown]

I had a guy day the exact same thing last night..

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> On May 8, 2019, at 7:58 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in the USMC 
> it repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.
> 
>> On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be outside my 
>> shop during certain hours of the day.  I got some mosquito nets that are to 
>> be worn over the hat.  The bugs get through. 
>>  
>> Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them. 
>> We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my shop.  Perfect 
>> breeding grounds. 
>> Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?
>>  
>> I pine for a bag of DDT wetable powder. 
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[Chuck McCown]

Yep

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2019, at 7:50 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Are those the same as no-see-ums?
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 7:31 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT tis the season
>  
> Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be outside my shop 
> during certain hours of the day.  I got some mosquito nets that are to be 
> worn over the hat.  The bugs get through. 
>  
> Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them. 
> We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my shop.  Perfect 
> breeding grounds. 
> Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?
>  
> I pine for a bag of DDT wetable powder. 
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[Mathew Howard]

https://youtu.be/qjLBXb1kgMo


On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 9:00 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in the
> USMC it repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be outside my
>> shop during certain hours of the day.  I got some mosquito nets that are to
>> be worn over the hat.  The bugs get through.
>>
>> Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.
>> We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my shop.  Perfect
>> breeding grounds.
>> Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?
>>
>> I pine for a bag of DDT wetable powder.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

[Lewis Bergman]

Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in the USMC
it repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.

On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be outside my
> shop during certain hours of the day.  I got some mosquito nets that are to
> be worn over the hat.  The bugs get through.
>
> Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.
> We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my shop.  Perfect
> breeding grounds.
> Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?
>
> I pine for a bag of DDT wetable powder.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

[Ken Hohhof]

Are those the same as no-see-ums?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 7:31 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

 

Every year, the biting midge flies come out.  Miserable to be outside my
shop during certain hours of the day.  I got some mosquito nets that are to
be worn over the hat.  The bugs get through.  

 

Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.  

We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my shop.  Perfect
breeding grounds.  

Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?

 

I pine for a bag of DDT wetable powder.  

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