[AFMUG] WTB: Siklu 1200FX 2'

2014-11-30 Thread Scott Vander Dussen via Af
In the market for a Siklu 1200FX 2’ link or similar product.  Please message me 
off-list if you sell these, thanks.

Scott


Re: [AFMUG] Siklu 1200FX 2'

2014-11-30 Thread Scott Vander Dussen via Af
Guess the list hides email addresses now, mine is 
sc...@velociter.netmailto:sc...@velociter.net, thanks.

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen via Af
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 00:30
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] WTB: Siklu 1200FX 2'

In the market for a Siklu 1200FX 2’ link or similar product.  Please message me 
off-list if you sell these, thanks.

Scott


Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

2014-11-30 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af
Mine unfortunately is on the bottom right next to the drain plug.   I've
seen pictures of the top one and how easy it is.  Mine not so much.  I am
getting to the point where I don't make near the mess I used to, guess I'm
getting used to where it drains.
On Nov 29, 2014 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up.  Does that
 make it incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy?

  *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM
 *To:* af af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

  About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the
 car in for the major service interval at the dealer.   They carry the oil I
 use and I figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the
 M1-108's I use normally.

 Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore.  I've discovered that
 throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so
 little time that it's actually faster for me to do it.   I generally will
 do it before a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then
 clean/vaccum the car out while the oil is draining.   Once I'm done
 vaccumming, I put everything back together and refill the car with an
 appropriate amount of oil.  Takes me less time than waiting at an instant
 lube place, and then I know what oil/filter is actually in/on the engine.

 Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it
 comes from the dealer.


 On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place
 change the oil.  Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them
 on their when I looked about 3000 miles after the change.  After some
 heated discussions concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans
 that might require a review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil,
 they changed both vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in
 front of me.  Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last
 time.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
 Af
 *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today



 A local guy went out to change his oil today.  Found a penis drawn on his
 oil filter.  That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube.



 Same company that billed us for an oil change a few  years ago (fleet
 account) for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and
 totaled a year before.





Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

2014-11-30 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af
Mine goes back in the five quart container until the next recycling run to
the dump.  They have a spot you just drop it off. Easy.
On Nov 29, 2014 7:15 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 The biggest problem with home oil changes is getting rid of the oil.  I
 used to do it but every time I would go to Auto Zone, Checker, etc…  Their
 oil drum was always full.  I finally gave up and just get the free car wash
 when I do it.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af
 *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:09 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today



 http://www.fumotousa.com/about-fumoto-valves.php

 On Nov 29, 2014 5:01 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 You do the plug first...

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Nov 29, 2014 7:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up.  Does that make
 it incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy?



 *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com

 *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM

 *To:* af af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today



 About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the
 car in for the major service interval at the dealer.   They carry the oil I
 use and I figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the
 M1-108's I use normally.



 Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore.  I've discovered that
 throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so
 little time that it's actually faster for me to do it.   I generally will
 do it before a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then
 clean/vaccum the car out while the oil is draining.   Once I'm done
 vaccumming, I put everything back together and refill the car with an
 appropriate amount of oil.  Takes me less time than waiting at an instant
 lube place, and then I know what oil/filter is actually in/on the engine.



 Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it
 comes from the dealer.





 On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place
 change the oil.  Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them
 on their when I looked about 3000 miles after the change.  After some
 heated discussions concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans
 that might require a review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil,
 they changed both vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in
 front of me.  Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last
 time.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
 Af
 *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today



 A local guy went out to change his oil today.  Found a penis drawn on his
 oil filter.  That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube.



 Same company that billed us for an oil change a few  years ago (fleet
 account) for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and
 totaled a year before.





Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

2014-11-30 Thread Glen Waldrop via Af
My 88 Ranger is bad, wife's 2000 Explorer was worse. The filter is above the 
frame. The drips aren't so bad, but the initial burst of oil runs on the frame 
and goes everywhere.

Not much you can do but clean it up after the fact.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
  To: af 
  Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 6:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today


  Mine unfortunately is on the bottom right next to the drain plug.   I've seen 
pictures of the top one and how easy it is.  Mine not so much.  I am getting to 
the point where I don't make near the mess I used to, guess I'm getting used to 
where it drains.

  On Nov 29, 2014 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up.  Does that make 
it incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy?

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the 
car in for the major service interval at the dealer.   They carry the oil I use 
and I figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the M1-108's I 
use normally. 

Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore.  I've discovered that 
throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so little 
time that it's actually faster for me to do it.   I generally will do it before 
a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then clean/vaccum the 
car out while the oil is draining.   Once I'm done vaccumming, I put everything 
back together and refill the car with an appropriate amount of oil.  Takes me 
less time than waiting at an instant lube place, and then I know what 
oil/filter is actually in/on the engine.

Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it 
comes from the dealer.  


On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place 
change the oil.  Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them on 
their when I looked about 3000 miles after the change.  After some heated 
discussions concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans that might 
require a review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil, they changed 
both vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in front of me.  
Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last time.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
  Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today



  A local guy went out to change his oil today.  Found a penis drawn on his 
oil filter.  That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube.  



  Same company that billed us for an oil change a few  years ago (fleet 
account) for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and totaled 
a year before.  



Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

2014-11-30 Thread Rory Conaway via Af
Change the oil in the parking lot of Ford manufacturing next time and tell them 
to quit doing stupid designs like this.  When basic maintenance like changing 
an alternator means lifting the engine block off the mounts or it takes 8 hours 
to change a power steering pump, that’s a stupid design.  That’s why Taurus 
owners get rid of their cars when they get out of warranty.  Think about how 
many 1996-2005 Ford Taurus’s you see on the road.  It’s why I don’t by front 
wheel drive cars but I don’t have to deal with snow.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop via Af
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 8:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

 

My 88 Ranger is bad, wife's 2000 Explorer was worse. The filter is above the 
frame. The drips aren't so bad, but the initial burst of oil runs on the frame 
and goes everywhere.

Not much you can do but clean it up after the fact.

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com  

To: af mailto:af@afmug.com  

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 6:09 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

 

Mine unfortunately is on the bottom right next to the drain plug.   
I've seen pictures of the top one and how easy it is.  Mine not so much.  I am 
getting to the point where I don't make near the mess I used to, guess I'm 
getting used to where it drains.

On Nov 29, 2014 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up.  Does that 
make it incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy?

 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com  

Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM

To: af mailto:af@afmug.com  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

 

About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take 
the car in for the major service interval at the dealer.   They carry the oil I 
use and I figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the M1-108's 
I use normally. 

 

Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore.  I've discovered that 
throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so little 
time that it's actually faster for me to do it.   I generally will do it before 
a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then clean/vaccum the 
car out while the oil is draining.   Once I'm done vaccumming, I put everything 
back together and refill the car with an appropriate amount of oil.  Takes me 
less time than waiting at an instant lube place, and then I know what 
oil/filter is actually in/on the engine.

 

Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when 
it comes from the dealer.  

 

 

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com 
wrote:

We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place 
change the oil.  Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them on 
their when I looked about 3000 miles after the change.  After some heated 
discussions concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans that might 
require a review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil, they changed 
both vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in front of me.  
Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last time.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

 

A local guy went out to change his oil today.  Found a penis drawn on 
his oil filter.  That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube.  

 

Same company that billed us for an oil change a few  years ago (fleet 
account) for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and totaled 
a year before.  

 



Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

2014-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown via Af
Most cities have oil drain receptacles on most streets.  Quite frequently near 
an intersection.  Look for a metal bar grating built into the curb.  

From: Rory Conaway via Af 
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

The biggest problem with home oil changes is getting rid of the oil.  I used to 
do it but every time I would go to Auto Zone, Checker, etc…  Their oil drum was 
always full.  I finally gave up and just get the free car wash when I do it.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

 

http://www.fumotousa.com/about-fumoto-valves.php

On Nov 29, 2014 5:01 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

You do the plug first...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 29, 2014 7:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up.  Does that make it 
incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy?

 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 

Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

 

About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the car in 
for the major service interval at the dealer.   They carry the oil I use and I 
figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the M1-108's I use 
normally. 

 

Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore.  I've discovered that 
throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so little 
time that it's actually faster for me to do it.   I generally will do it before 
a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then clean/vaccum the 
car out while the oil is draining.   Once I'm done vaccumming, I put everything 
back together and refill the car with an appropriate amount of oil.  Takes me 
less time than waiting at an instant lube place, and then I know what 
oil/filter is actually in/on the engine.

 

Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it comes 
from the dealer.  

 

 

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place change 
the oil.  Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them on their 
when I looked about 3000 miles after the change.  After some heated discussions 
concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans that might require a 
review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil, they changed both 
vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in front of me.  
Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last time.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

 

A local guy went out to change his oil today.  Found a penis drawn on his oil 
filter.  That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube.  

 

Same company that billed us for an oil change a few  years ago (fleet account) 
for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and totaled a year 
before.  

 


Re: [AFMUG] OT Grow Room

2014-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown via Af
Just wondering of the off time of the lights actually  helps  the  plants.  I 
have a surplus of electricity from solar so I am not too much worried about 
that.  I do want to  have optimum growth. * 

One would think that the Discovery Channel would come out with Grow Room 
Bandits or some such thing.  Instead of Tim and Tickle we could have Blaze and 
Token.  

(*Disclaimer: First paragraph is talking about cloning spruce trees;  Second is 
a reply to the email below)

From: That One Guy via Af 
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 8:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Grow Room

the first thing you want to do chuck, is bypass you electrical meter 
now, you need to go to the gun store and get multiple semiautomatic weapons
go to the animal shelter and get 3-5 pit bulls
do not shave
probably bet to purchase alot of flipflops and boxer shorts you will wear as 
actual shorts
its up to you which tatoos to get, but there needs to be at least two 
grammatical errors and three misspellings
break out your front left top tooth
a mullet is fully in order


but seriously, I never had hydro, but lightwise i always did 12/12. with lights



On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Believe me. Tommy Chong will smoke it

  Jaime Solorza

  On Nov 29, 2014 10:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

Got my turbo cloner yesterday.  Almost zero instructions.  
Do you just let these things spray 2/7?  Do you cycle the lights?

I figured there had to be at least one hydroponic person here...

(Don’t get excited, that Mormon guy is attempting to clone spruce trees...)




-- 

All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925


Re: [AFMUG] OT Grow Room

2014-11-30 Thread Jeremy via Af
You want the lights to run 18 hours on and 6 off (equivalent to the longest
day of the year).  Then, when you are ready to force flowering switch to
12/12.  I'm assuming spruce trees follow the same rulesright??

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Just wondering of the off time of the lights actually  helps  the
 plants.  I have a surplus of electricity from solar so I am not too much
 worried about that.  I do want to  have optimum growth. *

 One would think that the Discovery Channel would come out with Grow Room
 Bandits or some such thing.  Instead of Tim and Tickle we could have Blaze
 and Token.

 (*Disclaimer: First paragraph is talking about cloning spruce trees;
 Second is a reply to the email below)

  *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 8:53 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Grow Room

  the first thing you want to do chuck, is bypass you electrical meter
 now, you need to go to the gun store and get multiple semiautomatic weapons
 go to the animal shelter and get 3-5 pit bulls
 do not shave
 probably bet to purchase alot of flipflops and boxer shorts you will wear
 as actual shorts
 its up to you which tatoos to get, but there needs to be at least two
 grammatical errors and three misspellings
 break out your front left top tooth
 a mullet is fully in order


 but seriously, I never had hydro, but lightwise i always did 12/12. with
 lights



 On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Believe me. Tommy Chong will smoke it

 Jaime Solorza
  On Nov 29, 2014 10:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Got my turbo cloner yesterday.  Almost zero instructions.
 Do you just let these things spray 2/7?  Do you cycle the lights?

 I figured there had to be at least one hydroponic person here...

 (Don’t get excited, that Mormon guy is attempting to clone spruce
 trees...)




 --
  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925



Re: [AFMUG] OT Grow Room

2014-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown via Af
No idea.

From: Jeremy via Af 
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 11:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Grow Room

You want the lights to run 18 hours on and 6 off (equivalent to the longest day 
of the year).  Then, when you are ready to force flowering switch to 12/12.  
I'm assuming spruce trees follow the same rulesright??

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Just wondering of the off time of the lights actually  helps  the  plants.  I 
have a surplus of electricity from solar so I am not too much worried about 
that.  I do want to  have optimum growth. * 

  One would think that the Discovery Channel would come out with Grow Room 
Bandits or some such thing.  Instead of Tim and Tickle we could have Blaze and 
Token.  

  (*Disclaimer: First paragraph is talking about cloning spruce trees;  Second 
is a reply to the email below)

  From: That One Guy via Af 
  Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 8:53 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Grow Room

  the first thing you want to do chuck, is bypass you electrical meter 
  now, you need to go to the gun store and get multiple semiautomatic weapons
  go to the animal shelter and get 3-5 pit bulls
  do not shave
  probably bet to purchase alot of flipflops and boxer shorts you will wear as 
actual shorts
  its up to you which tatoos to get, but there needs to be at least two 
grammatical errors and three misspellings
  break out your front left top tooth
  a mullet is fully in order


  but seriously, I never had hydro, but lightwise i always did 12/12. with 
lights



  On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

Believe me. Tommy Chong will smoke it

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 29, 2014 10:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Got my turbo cloner yesterday.  Almost zero instructions.  
  Do you just let these things spray 2/7?  Do you cycle the lights?

  I figured there had to be at least one hydroponic person here...

  (Don’t get excited, that Mormon guy is attempting to clone spruce 
trees...)




  -- 

  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the 
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't 
get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a 
hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925



Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

2014-11-30 Thread Tyler Treat via Af
Was always good at preventing weeds around culverts.  

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. 

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


 On Nov 29, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Jay Weekley via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 When I was a kid we just dumped in woods behind the house but someone decided 
 that was environmentally unfriendly.
 
 
 Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
 
 The biggest problem with home oil changes is getting rid of the oil.  I used 
 to do it but every time I would go to Auto Zone, Checker, etc…  Their oil 
 drum was always full.  I finally gave up and just get the free car wash when 
 I do it.
 
 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af
 *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:09 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today
 
 http://www.fumotousa.com/about-fumoto-valves.php
 
 On Nov 29, 2014 5:01 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com 
 mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 You do the plug first...
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Nov 29, 2014 7:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com 
 mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up.  Does that make 
 it incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy?
 
 *From:*Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
 
 *Sent:*Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM
 
 *To:*af mailto:af@afmug.com
 
 *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today
 
 About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the car 
 in for the major service interval at the dealer.   They carry the oil I use 
 and I figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the M1-108's I 
 use normally.
 
 Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore. I've discovered that 
 throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so little 
 time that it's actually faster for me to do it.   I generally will do it 
 before a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then 
 clean/vaccum the car out while the oil is draining.   Once I'm done 
 vaccumming, I put everything back together and refill the car with an 
 appropriate amount of oil.  Takes me less time than waiting at an instant 
 lube place, and then I know what oil/filter is actually in/on the engine.
 
 Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it 
 comes from the dealer.
 
 On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com 
 mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place 
 change the oil.  Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them on 
 their when I looked about 3000 miles after the change.  After some heated 
 discussions concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans that 
 might require a review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil, they 
 changed both vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in front 
 of me.  Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last time.
 
 Rory
 
 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On 
 Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af
 *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today
 
 A local guy went out to change his oil today.  Found a penis drawn on his 
 oil filter.  That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube.
 
 Same company that billed us for an oil change a few  years ago (fleet 
 account) for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and 
 totaled a year before.
 


Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

2014-11-30 Thread Rory Conaway via Af
Hahaha, yea, water and sewer just love the pretty colors it makes when you add 
your oil to the sewage.  

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

 

Most cities have oil drain receptacles on most streets.  Quite frequently near 
an intersection.  Look for a metal bar grating built into the curb.  

 

From: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com  

Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:15 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

 

The biggest problem with home oil changes is getting rid of the oil.  I used to 
do it but every time I would go to Auto Zone, Checker, etc…  Their oil drum was 
always full.  I finally gave up and just get the free car wash when I do it.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

 

http://www.fumotousa.com/about-fumoto-valves.php

On Nov 29, 2014 5:01 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

You do the plug first...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 29, 2014 7:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up.  Does that make it 
incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy?

 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com  

Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM

To: af mailto:af@afmug.com  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

 

About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the car in 
for the major service interval at the dealer.   They carry the oil I use and I 
figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the M1-108's I use 
normally. 

 

Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore.  I've discovered that 
throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so little 
time that it's actually faster for me to do it.   I generally will do it before 
a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then clean/vaccum the 
car out while the oil is draining.   Once I'm done vaccumming, I put everything 
back together and refill the car with an appropriate amount of oil.  Takes me 
less time than waiting at an instant lube place, and then I know what 
oil/filter is actually in/on the engine.

 

Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it comes 
from the dealer.  

 

 

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place change 
the oil.  Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them on their 
when I looked about 3000 miles after the change.  After some heated discussions 
concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans that might require a 
review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil, they changed both 
vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in front of me.  
Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last time.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

 

A local guy went out to change his oil today.  Found a penis drawn on his oil 
filter.  That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube.  

 

Same company that billed us for an oil change a few  years ago (fleet account) 
for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and totaled a year 
before.  

 



Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

2014-11-30 Thread Bill Prince via Af
You mean those things with the ducks painted on them, plus the text 
flows to bay?


--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com

On 11/30/2014 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Most cities have oil drain receptacles on most streets. Quite 
frequently near an intersection.  Look for a metal bar grating built 
into the curb.

*From:* Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

The biggest problem with home oil changes is getting rid of the oil.  
I used to do it but every time I would go to Auto Zone, Checker, etc…  
Their oil drum was always full.  I finally gave up and just get the 
free car wash when I do it.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af
*Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:09 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

http://www.fumotousa.com/about-fumoto-valves.php

On Nov 29, 2014 5:01 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


You do the plug first...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 29, 2014 7:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up.  Does that 
make it incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy?


*From:*Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com

*Sent:*Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM

*To:*af mailto:af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take 
the car in for the major service interval at the dealer.   They carry 
the oil I use and I figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse 
than the M1-108's I use normally.


Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore.  I've discovered 
that throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter 
takes so little time that it's actually faster for me to do it.   I 
generally will do it before a trip out of town and will pull the oil 
filter/plug and then clean/vaccum the car out while the oil is 
draining. Once I'm done vaccumming, I put everything back together and 
refill the car with an appropriate amount of oil.  Takes me less time 
than waiting at an instant lube place, and then I know what oil/filter 
is actually in/on the engine.


Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when 
it comes from the dealer.


On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change 
place change the oil.  Last oil change, neither my car or the work van 
had them on their when I looked about 3000 miles after the change.  
After some heated discussions concerning the theft of my oil filters 
and shenanigans that might require a review of whether they are really 
using Mobil1 1 oil, they changed both vehicles while I watched them 
open new bottles of oil in front of me.  Fortunately this was the 
first time I used them, and the last time.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] 
*On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af

*Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

A local guy went out to change his oil today.  Found a penis drawn on 
his oil filter.  That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube.


Same company that billed us for an oil change a few years ago (fleet 
account) for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed 
and totaled a year before.






Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

2014-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown via Af
Returning things to mother nature is the ultimate form of recycling.  

From: Bill Prince via Af 
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 12:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

You mean those things with the ducks painted on them, plus the text flows to 
bay?


--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com

On 11/30/2014 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

  Most cities have oil drain receptacles on most streets.  Quite frequently 
near an intersection.  Look for a metal bar grating built into the curb.  

  From: Rory Conaway via Af 
  Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:15 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

  The biggest problem with home oil changes is getting rid of the oil.  I used 
to do it but every time I would go to Auto Zone, Checker, etc…  Their oil drum 
was always full.  I finally gave up and just get the free car wash when I do it.

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af
  Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:09 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

   

  http://www.fumotousa.com/about-fumoto-valves.php

  On Nov 29, 2014 5:01 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  You do the plug first...

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Nov 29, 2014 7:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up.  Does that make it 
incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy?

   

  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 

  Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM

  To: af 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

   

  About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the car 
in for the major service interval at the dealer.   They carry the oil I use and 
I figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the M1-108's I use 
normally. 

   

  Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore.  I've discovered that 
throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so little 
time that it's actually faster for me to do it.   I generally will do it before 
a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then clean/vaccum the 
car out while the oil is draining.   Once I'm done vaccumming, I put everything 
back together and refill the car with an appropriate amount of oil.  Takes me 
less time than waiting at an instant lube place, and then I know what 
oil/filter is actually in/on the engine.

   

  Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it 
comes from the dealer.  

   

   

  On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place 
change the oil.  Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them on 
their when I looked about 3000 miles after the change.  After some heated 
discussions concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans that might 
require a review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil, they changed 
both vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in front of me.  
Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last time.

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
  Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

   

  A local guy went out to change his oil today.  Found a penis drawn on his oil 
filter.  That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube.  

   

  Same company that billed us for an oil change a few  years ago (fleet 
account) for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and totaled 
a year before.  

   




Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

2014-11-30 Thread Mathew Howard via Af
My Porsche has the filter sticking straight up, but there's check valve in the 
filter, so most of the oil stays in it when you take it off... which is still 
slightly messy, but not bad.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Bill Prince via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

Our Tacomas have a filter that sticks straight up, but there's a skirt around 
the base with a hole that feeds a tube that comes out down by the oil pan.  
When you unscrew the filter (which is a piece of cake because it's right there 
front and center), you just loosen it enough for all the oil to drain down the 
tube (which you've placed an oil pan under).  When it's done, remove the rest 
of the way, wipe, lube, screw on the new one.


--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com



On 11/29/2014 4:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up.  Does that make it 
incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy?

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Afmailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM
To: afmailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the car in 
for the major service interval at the dealer.   They carry the oil I use and I 
figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the M1-108's I use 
normally.

Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore.  I've discovered that 
throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so little 
time that it's actually faster for me to do it.   I generally will do it before 
a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then clean/vaccum the 
car out while the oil is draining.   Once I'm done vaccumming, I put everything 
back together and refill the car with an appropriate amount of oil.  Takes me 
less time than waiting at an instant lube place, and then I know what 
oil/filter is actually in/on the engine.

Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it comes 
from the dealer.


On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place change 
the oil.  Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them on their 
when I looked about 3000 miles after the change.  After some heated discussions 
concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans that might require a 
review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil, they changed both 
vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in front of me.  
Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last time.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

A local guy went out to change his oil today.  Found a penis drawn on his oil 
filter.  That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube.

Same company that billed us for an oil change a few  years ago (fleet account) 
for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and totaled a year 
before.




Re: [AFMUG] OT Grow Room

2014-11-30 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af
Just curious why spruce trees?  Last time I checked you can buy seedlings
at like a quarter each in quantity.
On Nov 29, 2014 10:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Got my turbo cloner yesterday.  Almost zero instructions.
 Do you just let these things spray 2/7?  Do you cycle the lights?

 I figured there had to be at least one hydroponic person here...

 (Don’t get excited, that Mormon guy is attempting to clone spruce trees...)



Re: [AFMUG] OT Grow Room

2014-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown via Af
I have a few that have a particular coloring and branch distribution I like.  I 
am hoping that the clones will be very similar.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:10 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Grow Room

Just curious why spruce trees?  Last time I checked you can buy seedlings at 
like a quarter each in quantity.

On Nov 29, 2014 10:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Got my turbo cloner yesterday.  Almost zero instructions.  
  Do you just let these things spray 2/7?  Do you cycle the lights?

  I figured there had to be at least one hydroponic person here...

  (Don’t get excited, that Mormon guy is attempting to clone spruce trees...)