Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Harold Bledsoe]

LOL!

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 7:04 PM Chris Wright  wrote:

> Depends on how well that 10GB PMP performs. ;)
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Friday, October 20, 2017 1:52 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> /hal wonders if this is good PR for IgniteNet...  :-D
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:49 PM  wrote:
>
> 'merica! F yeah!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Wright
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:46 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Each side of the aisle has their own crazies;  for every anti-vaxxer
> there's
> a birther.
>
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> That's not left. That is wacko left. There is also wacko right.
>
> You forgot a few things, like gluten mania, chakra, chi, feng shui, and oh
> well. We gotta change the channel...
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/20/2017 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science
> > in many areas.
> > GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc.
> > The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people
> > generally only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals.
> > Lent is back on.
>
> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 for management

[Paul Stewart]

+1 …  almost everything in our management networks (which are completely 
separate logically from any other networks) are dual stack.  Also for HTTPS 
it’s the only form of web based management permitted (and only on devices where 
web interface is the only way to manage it).

 

Paul

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of George Skorup 

Reply-To: 
Date: Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 7:34 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 for management

 

IMO, dual stack or forget IPv6 entirely.

On 10/19/2017 6:20 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

So, after the response to me mentioning https:// for device management, I 
figured I'd ask about the following: 

 

How about IPv6?   It's on my list as well to look at...Does anyone see any 
real need for having your management gear on IPv6 instead of IPv4, at least in 
the near term?
 

-- 

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.Tel: 406-449-3345 | 
Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com  

[AFMUG] Fw: Project Reconnect Puerto Rico - Your support is appreciated!

[chuck]

From: Andreas Wiatowski 
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:34 AM
To: Andreas Wiatowski 
Subject: Project Reconnect Puerto Rico - Your support is appreciated!

Hello Everyone,

 

All of you are people I know and do, or have done business with in the past.

 

Please support our efforts in helping Aeronet in Puerto Rico rebuild their 
network.  Silo Wireless & Verticomm Networks are flying in on the 22nd to work 
on towers and restore infrastructure.  Your donation is appreciated!!  Please 
spread the word via Facebook, Twitter, Linkedin or to people you know!  
Proceeds will be directly given to Aeronet at the end of our trip. We will be 
updating progress and sharing pictures @silowireless and 
www.facebook.com/silowireless

 

Your support is greatly appreciated!!!

a...@dtconsult.com

https://www.generosity.com/emergencies-fundraising/project-reconnect-puerto-rico

 

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

1-866-727-4138 x-600

http://www.silowireless.com

Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

 

Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:

CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca 

WISPA http://wispa.org

Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce

Paris Chamber of Commerce

Cambridge Chamber of Commerce

 

 

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[AFMUG] OT Brunch

[chuck]

Went to Denny’s with my wife this morning as the old people’s discount is 15% 
and I like one of the menu items.

The young hostess was an optimum example of pulchritude.

I told my wife that her visage caused my inner Harvey Weinstein to awaken.  

If that becomes a meme, you heard it here first folks.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Brunch

[Lewis Bergman]

That would have me sleeping on the couch

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017, 12:52 PM  wrote:

> Went to Denny’s with my wife this morning as the old people’s discount is
> 15% and I like one of the menu items.
>
> The young hostess was an optimum example of pulchritude.
>
> I told my wife that her visage caused my inner Harvey Weinstein to
> awaken.
>
> If that becomes a meme, you heard it here first folks.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Brunch

[chuck]

She caught the spirit in which it was offered.

An old Mormon proverb states:  "natural man is an enemy to God, and has been 
from the fall "


So we spend our lives trying to suppress natural man.  I just renamed him 
Harvey.  She got it.


From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Brunch


That would have me sleeping on the couch



On Sat, Oct 21, 2017, 12:52 PM  wrote:

Went to Denny’s with my wife this morning as the old people’s discount is 
15% and I like one of the menu items.


The young hostess was an optimum example of pulchritude.

I told my wife that her visage caused my inner Harvey Weinstein to awaken.

If that becomes a meme, you heard it here first folks.

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Project Reconnect Puerto Rico - Your support is appreciated!

[Andreas Wiatowski]

Thanks for posting Chuck.

Any contributions are appreciated. Looking forward to helping out where we 
can...from what I understand, it will be hot in-comparison to our Canadian 
climate. ;.)

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4238 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

On Oct 21, 2017, at 1:45 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:



From: Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:34 AM
To: Andreas Wiatowski
Subject: Project Reconnect Puerto Rico - Your support is appreciated!

Hello Everyone,

All of you are people I know and do, or have done business with in the past.

Please support our efforts in helping Aeronet in Puerto Rico rebuild their 
network.  Silo Wireless & Verticomm Networks are flying in on the 22nd to work 
on towers and restore infrastructure.  Your donation is appreciated!!  Please 
spread the word via Facebook, Twitter, Linkedin or to people you know!  
Proceeds will be directly given to Aeronet at the end of our trip. We will be 
updating progress and sharing pictures @silowireless and 
www.facebook.com/silowireless

Your support is greatly appreciated!!!
a...@dtconsult.com
https://www.generosity.com/emergencies-fundraising/project-reconnect-puerto-rico




Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
WISPA http://wispa.org
Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
Paris Chamber of Commerce
Cambridge Chamber of Commerce


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Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Sterling Jacobson]

I figured this out.

No one told me, and I wasn't aware, that these Ceragon Radios has a fixed TX 
and RX range per sku/hardware.

So I was trying to operate the radio a bit out of range of the hardware I guess.

How do I change the TX/RX range for each of my Ceragon radios, and how 
expensive is that??

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:25 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a lot 
of issues.

This is just from trying to peak one side today.

I'll try more on the other side.

But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V radios 
in dB.

I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V 
rotation?

Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the radio 
mount, but didn't seem to change anything.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Darin Steffl]

The range is printed on the radio with the serial number. It should be
obvious what the range supports for that radio.

You cannot change the range the radio operates in. You would need a
different radio head to support the band you want to operate in.

On Oct 21, 2017 4:52 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> I figured this out.
>
> No one told me, and I wasn't aware, that these Ceragon Radios has a fixed
> TX and RX range per sku/hardware.
>
> So I was trying to operate the radio a bit out of range of the hardware I
> guess.
>
> How do I change the TX/RX range for each of my Ceragon radios, and how
> expensive is that??
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:25 AM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?
>
> Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a
> lot of issues.
>
> This is just from trying to peak one side today.
>
> I'll try more on the other side.
>
> But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V
> radios in dB.
>
> I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V
> rotation?
>
> Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the
> radio mount, but didn't seem to change anything.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Brunch

[Jaime Solorza]

I would get a left hook..my wife is very direct

On Oct 21, 2017 12:29 PM,  wrote:

> She caught the spirit in which it was offered.
>
> An old Mormon proverb states:  "natural man is an enemy to God, and has
> been from the fall "
>
> So we spend our lives trying to suppress natural man.  I just renamed him
> Harvey.  She got it.
>
> From: Lewis Bergman
> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 12:19 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Brunch
>
>
> That would have me sleeping on the couch
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017, 12:52 PM  wrote:
>
> Went to Denny’s with my wife this morning as the old people’s discount is
> 15% and I like one of the menu items.
>
> The young hostess was an optimum example of pulchritude.
>
> I told my wife that her visage caused my inner Harvey Weinstein to awaken.
>
> If that becomes a meme, you heard it here first folks.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/21/17 2:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I figured this out.

No one told me, and I wasn't aware, that these Ceragon Radios has a fixed TX 
and RX range per sku/hardware.

So I was trying to operate the radio a bit out of range of the hardware I guess.

How do I change the TX/RX range for each of my Ceragon radios, and how 
expensive is that??



You can't. Basically if that's the case you have the wrong hardware for 
the sub-band you're trying to use.


So you can either try and mod your license to get into the sub-band your 
hardware is for, or replace the hardware.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok. so I guess it’s sell/exchange this radio set and get one within license 
bounds.

Or change my license to match the radio set.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

The range is printed on the radio with the serial number. It should be obvious 
what the range supports for that radio.

You cannot change the range the radio operates in. You would need a different 
radio head to support the band you want to operate in.

On Oct 21, 2017 4:52 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I figured this out.

No one told me, and I wasn't aware, that these Ceragon Radios has a fixed TX 
and RX range per sku/hardware.

So I was trying to operate the radio a bit out of range of the hardware I guess.

How do I change the TX/RX range for each of my Ceragon radios, and how 
expensive is that??

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:25 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a lot 
of issues.

This is just from trying to peak one side today.

I'll try more on the other side.

But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V radios 
in dB.

I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V 
rotation?

Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the radio 
mount, but didn't seem to change anything.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/21/17 3:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Ok. so I guess it’s sell/exchange this radio set and get one within 
license bounds.


Or change my license to match the radio set.




Changing your license is obviously gonna be the cheaper option, if the 
channels you need are open.


I remember the first time I used one of the 820's I thought it was weird 
the UI would let you set a frequency outside the hardware range. Others 
like SAF and Exalt won't.

Re: [AFMUG] billing systems

[Layne Sisk]

If you are still looking for something hit me offlist.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 8:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] billing systems

We just started deploying Wispmon because it used Mikrotik and supported 
HotSpots.  Now with Sonar, they don't support Hot-Spots.  I'm told to call 
Brightwifi but my techs have talked to them several times and they keep getting 
told that other calls are coming in or someone is walking into a meeting within 
a minute or two and they never call back  Nothing personal but there is no way 
I'm deploying Bright WiFi if that's how bad their customer service/presale 
support is and apparently they don't need new customers.  It's good to be busy, 
it's bad to diss companies that are trying to give you business.

So, we are ready to ditch Wispmon, have no interest in deploying Sonar since it 
doesn't have the features we need, and find something that can use Mikrotik 
devices since we have so many egress points.   We already wrote one in house we 
deployed for MDU units so I'll upgrade it if there isn't a better product 
available.  However, if there is something else out there that can do WISP and 
Hot-Spots, I'd be very interested in looking at it immediately.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"It's not the team with the best players that win, it's the players with the 
best team that wins!" - Humphrey Bogart

[AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[Mitch Koep]

Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of 
next year


Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application

Thanks

Mitch

Re: [AFMUG] billing systems

[Rory Conaway]

Thanks Layne.  We are moving forward with VISP.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Layne Sisk
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing systems

If you are still looking for something hit me offlist.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 8:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] billing systems

We just started deploying Wispmon because it used Mikrotik and supported 
HotSpots.  Now with Sonar, they don't support Hot-Spots.  I'm told to call 
Brightwifi but my techs have talked to them several times and they keep getting 
told that other calls are coming in or someone is walking into a meeting within 
a minute or two and they never call back  Nothing personal but there is no way 
I'm deploying Bright WiFi if that's how bad their customer service/presale 
support is and apparently they don't need new customers.  It's good to be busy, 
it's bad to diss companies that are trying to give you business.

So, we are ready to ditch Wispmon, have no interest in deploying Sonar since it 
doesn't have the features we need, and find something that can use Mikrotik 
devices since we have so many egress points.   We already wrote one in house we 
deployed for MDU units so I'll upgrade it if there isn't a better product 
available.  However, if there is something else out there that can do WISP and 
Hot-Spots, I'd be very interested in looking at it immediately.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"It's not the team with the best players that win, it's the players with the 
best team that wins!" - Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[Lewis Bergman]

Sure do it with the links so it will work.

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017, 5:32 PM Mitch Koep  wrote:

> Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of
> next year
>
> Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application
>
> Thanks
>
> Mitch
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[Lewis Bergman]

That should have been three

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017, 5:45 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> Sure do it with the links so it will work.
>
> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017, 5:32 PM Mitch Koep  wrote:
>
>> Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of
>> next year
>>
>> Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[Colin Stanners]

Look into Bridgewave Navigator, those had enticing specs.

On Oct 21, 2017 5:32 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:

> Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of
> next year
>
> Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application
>
> Thanks
>
> Mitch
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] billing systems

[Matt Hoppes]

Rory,
Talk to powercode. They support MikroTik. 

> On Oct 21, 2017, at 18:43, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Layne.  We are moving forward with VISP. 
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Layne Sisk
> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:28 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing systems
>  
> If you are still looking for something hit me offlist.
>  
> Layne Sisk
> ServerPlus
> 801.426.8283, ext 102
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 8:05 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] billing systems
>  
> We just started deploying Wispmon because it used Mikrotik and supported 
> HotSpots.  Now with Sonar, they don’t support Hot-Spots.  I’m told to call 
> Brightwifi but my techs have talked to them several times and they keep 
> getting told that other calls are coming in or someone is walking into a 
> meeting within a minute or two and they never call back  Nothing personal but 
> there is no way I’m deploying Bright WiFi if that’s how bad their customer 
> service/presale support is and apparently they don’t need new customers.  
> It’s good to be busy, it’s bad to diss companies that are trying to give you 
> business.
> 
> So, we are ready to ditch Wispmon, have no interest in deploying Sonar since 
> it doesn’t have the features we need, and find something that can use 
> Mikrotik devices since we have so many egress points.   We already wrote one 
> in house we deployed for MDU units so I’ll upgrade it if there isn’t a better 
> product available.  However, if there is something else out there that can do 
> WISP and Hot-Spots, I’d be very interested in looking at it immediately.
>  
> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
> 602-426-0542
> r...@triadwireless.net
> www.triadwireless.net
>  
> “It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
> best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart
>  

Re: [AFMUG] billing systems

[Rory Conaway]

I’m good, thanks.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing systems

Rory,
Talk to powercode. They support MikroTik.

On Oct 21, 2017, at 18:43, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Thanks Layne.  We are moving forward with VISP.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Layne Sisk
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing systems

If you are still looking for something hit me offlist.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102

[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
   

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 8:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] billing systems

We just started deploying Wispmon because it used Mikrotik and supported 
HotSpots.  Now with Sonar, they don’t support Hot-Spots.  I’m told to call 
Brightwifi but my techs have talked to them several times and they keep getting 
told that other calls are coming in or someone is walking into a meeting within 
a minute or two and they never call back  Nothing personal but there is no way 
I’m deploying Bright WiFi if that’s how bad their customer service/presale 
support is and apparently they don’t need new customers.  It’s good to be busy, 
it’s bad to diss companies that are trying to give you business.

So, we are ready to ditch Wispmon, have no interest in deploying Sonar since it 
doesn’t have the features we need, and find something that can use Mikrotik 
devices since we have so many egress points.   We already wrote one in house we 
deployed for MDU units so I’ll upgrade it if there isn’t a better product 
available.  However, if there is something else out there that can do WISP and 
Hot-Spots, I’d be very interested in looking at it immediately.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[Adair Winter]

SIAE and cambium both make radios that will do above 1gb, you'll need to
work with the vendor to figure out the best way to get to 2gb. But with
enough radios and lacp, you should be able to do it. Assuming you have the
spectrum.

On Oct 21, 2017 5:32 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:

> Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of
> next year
>
> Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application
>
> Thanks
>
> Mitch
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[Mike Hammett]

Dragonwave as well. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adair Winter"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:12:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig 


SIAE and cambium both make radios that will do above 1gb, you'll need to work 
with the vendor to figure out the best way to get to 2gb. But with enough 
radios and lacp, you should be able to do it. Assuming you have the spectrum. 


On Oct 21, 2017 5:32 PM, "Mitch Koep" < af...@abwisp.com > wrote: 


Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of next 
year 

Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application 

Thanks 

Mitch 

Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[Mitch Koep]

SIAE, Dragonwave, Bridgewave Navigator

Thanks

Will start Monday

Have to figure out Missouri and my own long link

Thanks for the input

Mitch


On 10/21/2017 6:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Dragonwave as well.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Adair Winter" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:12:31 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

SIAE and cambium both make radios that will do above 1gb, you'll need 
to work with the vendor to figure out the best way to get to 2gb. But 
with enough radios and lacp, you should be able to do it. Assuming you 
have the spectrum.


On Oct 21, 2017 5:32 PM, "Mitch Koep" > wrote:


Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by
end of next year

Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application

Thanks

Mitch

Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[George Skorup]

For 22 miles, you're probably looking at lower 6GHz. If you can get two 
60MHz channel pairs both in H & V, I believe you can do dual 
PTP820C/IP20C's at each end for a little over 2.2 (2.4?) Gbps full 
duplex. Been a while since I looked at all of the different supported 
configurations though, so I might be remembering wrong.


On 10/21/2017 6:47 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:


SIAE, Dragonwave, Bridgewave Navigator

Thanks

Will start Monday

Have to figure out Missouri and my own long link

Thanks for the input

Mitch


On 10/21/2017 6:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Dragonwave as well.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Adair Winter" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:12:31 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

SIAE and cambium both make radios that will do above 1gb, you'll need 
to work with the vendor to figure out the best way to get to 2gb. But 
with enough radios and lacp, you should be able to do it. Assuming 
you have the spectrum.


On Oct 21, 2017 5:32 PM, "Mitch Koep" > wrote:


Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by
end of next year

Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application

Thanks

Mitch

Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[Jon Langeler]

Yes on 6 gig. I just got an email blast from Solectek. Appears to claim up to 
double the capacity in same spectrum but I might have misunderstood. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 21, 2017, at 7:55 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> For 22 miles, you're probably looking at lower 6GHz. If you can get two 60MHz 
> channel pairs both in H & V, I believe you can do dual PTP820C/IP20C's at 
> each end for a little over 2.2 (2.4?) Gbps full duplex. Been a while since I 
> looked at all of the different supported configurations though, so I might be 
> remembering wrong.
> 
>> On 10/21/2017 6:47 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:
>> SIAE, Dragonwave, Bridgewave Navigator
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Will start Monday 
>> Have to figure out Missouri and my own long link
>> Thanks for the input
>> 
>> Mitch
>> 
>>> On 10/21/2017 6:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> Dragonwave as well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Adair Winter" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:12:31 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig
>>> 
>>> SIAE and cambium both make radios that will   do above 1gb, 
>>> you'll need to work with the vendor to figure out the best way to get to 
>>> 2gb. But with enough radios and lacp, you should be able to do it. Assuming 
>>> you have the spectrum. 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2017 5:32 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
 Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of 
 next year
 
 Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application
 
 Thanks
 
 Mitch
 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[Darin Steffl]

The new bridgewave navigator can run 4 channels total. So about 600mbps x 4
= 2.4 gbps full duplex. You would need to have two 80mhz channels available
in both vertical and horizontal polarities to work with that much
bandwidth.

On Oct 21, 2017 7:08 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

> Yes on 6 gig. I just got an email blast from Solectek. Appears to claim up
> to double the capacity in same spectrum but I might have misunderstood.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2017, at 7:55 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> For 22 miles, you're probably looking at lower 6GHz. If you can get two
> 60MHz channel pairs both in H & V, I believe you can do dual
> PTP820C/IP20C's at each end for a little over 2.2 (2.4?) Gbps full duplex.
> Been a while since I looked at all of the different supported
> configurations though, so I might be remembering wrong.
>
> On 10/21/2017 6:47 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:
>
> SIAE, Dragonwave, Bridgewave Navigator
>
> Thanks
>
> Will start Monday
>
> Have to figure out Missouri and my own long link
>
> Thanks for the input
>
> Mitch
>
> On 10/21/2017 6:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Dragonwave as well.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Adair Winter" 
> 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:12:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig
>
> SIAE and cambium both make radios that will do above 1gb, you'll need to
> work with the vendor to figure out the best way to get to 2gb. But with
> enough radios and lacp, you should be able to do it. Assuming you have the
> spectrum.
>
> On Oct 21, 2017 5:32 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
>
>> Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of
>> next year
>>
>> Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[Lewis Bergman]

What is going to be the uptime at 2 gig.?

On Oct 21, 2017 8:14 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:

The new bridgewave navigator can run 4 channels total. So about 600mbps x 4
= 2.4 gbps full duplex. You would need to have two 80mhz channels available
in both vertical and horizontal polarities to work with that much
bandwidth.

On Oct 21, 2017 7:08 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

> Yes on 6 gig. I just got an email blast from Solectek. Appears to claim up
> to double the capacity in same spectrum but I might have misunderstood.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2017, at 7:55 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> For 22 miles, you're probably looking at lower 6GHz. If you can get two
> 60MHz channel pairs both in H & V, I believe you can do dual
> PTP820C/IP20C's at each end for a little over 2.2 (2.4?) Gbps full duplex.
> Been a while since I looked at all of the different supported
> configurations though, so I might be remembering wrong.
>
> On 10/21/2017 6:47 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:
>
> SIAE, Dragonwave, Bridgewave Navigator
>
> Thanks
>
> Will start Monday
>
> Have to figure out Missouri and my own long link
>
> Thanks for the input
>
> Mitch
>
> On 10/21/2017 6:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Dragonwave as well.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Adair Winter" 
> 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:12:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig
>
> SIAE and cambium both make radios that will do above 1gb, you'll need to
> work with the vendor to figure out the best way to get to 2gb. But with
> enough radios and lacp, you should be able to do it. Assuming you have the
> spectrum.
>
> On Oct 21, 2017 5:32 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
>
>> Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of
>> next year
>>
>> Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[Jon Langeler]

I’ve seen very good results on east-west link with -50s with rain zone k at 
20ish miles. Modulation reduced a few times. 60mhz though for channels in 6G 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 21, 2017, at 9:27 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> What is going to be the uptime at 2 gig.?
> 
> On Oct 21, 2017 8:14 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:
> The new bridgewave navigator can run 4 channels total. So about 600mbps x 4 = 
> 2.4 gbps full duplex. You would need to have two 80mhz channels available in 
> both vertical and horizontal polarities to work with that much bandwidth. 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2017 7:08 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:
>> Yes on 6 gig. I just got an email blast from Solectek. Appears to claim up 
>> to double the capacity in same spectrum but I might have misunderstood. 
>> 
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2017, at 7:55 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For 22 miles, you're probably looking at lower 6GHz. If you can get two 
>>> 60MHz channel pairs both in H & V, I believe you can do dual 
>>> PTP820C/IP20C's at each end for a little over 2.2 (2.4?) Gbps full duplex. 
>>> Been a while since I looked at all of the different supported 
>>> configurations though, so I might be remembering wrong.
>>> 
 On 10/21/2017 6:47 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:
 SIAE, Dragonwave, Bridgewave Navigator
 
 Thanks
 
 Will start Monday 
 Have to figure out Missouri and my own long link
 Thanks for the input
 
 Mitch
 
> On 10/21/2017 6:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Dragonwave as well.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Adair Winter" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig
> 
> SIAE and cambium both make radios that will do above 1gb, you'll need to 
> work with the vendor to figure out the best way to get to 2gb. But with 
> enough radios and lacp, you should be able to do it. Assuming you have 
> the spectrum. 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2017 5:32 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
>> Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of 
>> next year
>> 
>> Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Mitch
>> 
> 
 
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[Mike Hammett]

That's something the people that quote it for you can tell you. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 8:27:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig 


What is going to be the uptime at 2 gig.? 


On Oct 21, 2017 8:14 PM, "Darin Steffl" < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: 



The new bridgewave navigator can run 4 channels total. So about 600mbps x 4 = 
2.4 gbps full duplex. You would need to have two 80mhz channels available in 
both vertical and horizontal polarities to work with that much bandwidth. 



On Oct 21, 2017 7:08 PM, "Jon Langeler" < jon-ispli...@michwave.net > wrote: 



Yes on 6 gig. I just got an email blast from Solectek. Appears to claim up to 
double the capacity in same spectrum but I might have misunderstood. 



Jon Langeler 
Michwave Technologies, Inc. 



On Oct 21, 2017, at 7:55 PM, George Skorup < george.sko...@cbcast.com > wrote: 




For 22 miles, you're probably looking at lower 6GHz. If you can get two 60MHz 
channel pairs both in H & V, I believe you can do dual PTP820C/IP20C's at each 
end for a little over 2.2 (2.4?) Gbps full duplex. Been a while since I looked 
at all of the different supported configurations though, so I might be 
remembering wrong. 


On 10/21/2017 6:47 PM, Mitch Koep wrote: 



SIAE, Dragonwave, Bridgewave Navigator 
Thanks 
Will start Monday 

Have to figure out Missouri and my own long link 

Thanks for the input 
Mitch 


On 10/21/2017 6:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



Dragonwave as well. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Adair Winter"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:12:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig 


SIAE and cambium both make radios that will do above 1gb, you'll need to work 
with the vendor to figure out the best way to get to 2gb. But with enough 
radios and lacp, you should be able to do it. Assuming you have the spectrum. 


On Oct 21, 2017 5:32 PM, "Mitch Koep" < af...@abwisp.com > wrote: 


Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of next 
year 

Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application 

Thanks 

Mitch 

[AFMUG] AF24 max distance rain zone K

[Jon Langeler]

Is 2mi crazy? 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 max distance rain zone K

[Mike Hammett]

Is your rain in Grand Rapids like Chicago rain? If so, yes. :-p 

Look back to the IgniteNet thread for the links to the TBW Facebook posts where 
I talk about better ways of calculating sanity of links. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jon Langeler"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:26:48 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] AF24 max distance rain zone K 

Is 2mi crazy? 

Jon Langeler 
Michwave Technologies, Inc. 

Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Where is the link located Mitch?

Chances of getting 240MHz spectrum in 6GHz is slim at best.  



Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Oct 21, 2017, at 7:47 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:
> 
> SIAE, Dragonwave, Bridgewave Navigator
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Will start Monday 
> Have to figure out Missouri and my own long link
> Thanks for the input
> 
> Mitch
> 
>> On 10/21/2017 6:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Dragonwave as well.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Adair Winter" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:12:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig
>> 
>> SIAE and cambium both make radios that will do above 1gb, you'll need to 
>> work with the vendor to figure out the best way to get to 2gb. But with 
>> enough radios and lacp, you should be able to do it. Assuming you have the 
>> spectrum. 
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2017 5:32 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
>>> Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of 
>>> next year
>>> 
>>> Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Mitch
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 max distance rain zone K

[Jon Langeler]

Yes like Chicago. What’s your thoughts on 1mi?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 21, 2017, at 10:29 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Is your rain in Grand Rapids like Chicago rain? If so, yes.  :-p
> 
> Look back to the IgniteNet thread for the links to the TBW Facebook posts 
> where I talk about better ways of calculating sanity of links.
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Jon Langeler" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:26:48 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] AF24 max distance rain zone K
> 
> Is 2mi crazy? 
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 max distance rain zone K

[George Skorup]

I have a couple AF24 (non HD) links around almost exactly a mile. And a 
few more between 2.1 and 2.8 miles. The 1 mile links are obviously 
better in the rain, but they all drop out in heavy storms. 1 mile maybe 
10 minutes, 2+ miles anywhere between 20-40 minutes depending on the 
intensity. This is why I have 5GHz backup paths even for the short 
links. Most of them aren't parallel with the 24GHz. They were simply 
existing links that we left in place when we short-cut with some AF24's.


On 10/21/2017 9:57 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:

Yes like Chicago. What’s your thoughts on 1mi?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Oct 21, 2017, at 10:29 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote:



Is your rain in Grand Rapids like Chicago rain? If so, yes.  :-p

Look back to the IgniteNet thread for the links to the TBW Facebook 
posts where I talk about better ways of calculating sanity of links.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jon Langeler" >

*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:26:48 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] AF24 max distance rain zone K

Is 2mi crazy?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.