Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Josh Luthman]

Oh???  The webinar said it wouldn't.  I sure hope I'm wrong!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 8, 2018 5:16 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:

> Josh,
>
> Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update
> in the next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k
> AP's. That's been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and
> partner docs.
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.
>>
>> Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
>>> in the same channel size?
>>> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>>
 Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
 work with the new AP is how I took it.

 On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
 wrote:

> Coming soon
>
> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>
> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>
> Ac based chipset
>
> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>
>
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Joe Novak]

First time I heard it was on the floor and during the road map.

Thanks everyone for their outrage, they listened. lol.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Oh???  The webinar said it wouldn't.  I sure hope I'm wrong!!!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Mar 8, 2018 5:16 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>
>> Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update
>> in the next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k
>> AP's. That's been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and
>> partner docs.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>>
>>> Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.
>>>
>>> Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
 in the same channel size?
 I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz

 On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
> work with the new AP is how I took it.
>
> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> wrote:
>
>> Coming soon
>>
>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>
>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>
>> Ac based chipset
>>
>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my smartphone
>>
>>

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Mike Hammett]

In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen. Hopefully 
that's not the reason behind the delay. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Darin Steffl"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 4:16:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000 


Josh, 


Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update in the 
next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k AP's. That's 
been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and partner docs. 


On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE. 


Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =( 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



" Roughly doubles available throughout on ap" 
in the same channel size? 
I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz 


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak < jno...@lrcomm.com > wrote: 



Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work with 
the new AP is how I took it. 




On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote: 







Coming soon 


Roughly doubles available throughout on ap 


If I heard right won't work with elevate 


Ac based chipset 


Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet 







Sent from my smartphone 














-- 


Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi 
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi 
Like us on Facebook 

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Mike Hammett]

Q3ish 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jon Langeler"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:05:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000 

Timeframe on 3000 AP? 



Jon Langeler 
Michwave Technologies, Inc. 



On Mar 7, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: 





3000 is backwards compatible with ALL ePMP radios including Elevate. So all 
existing Force 110, Force 200 radios will connect to ePMP 3000 and still have 
some improvement on latency and throughput without using the new Force 300 CPE 


Doubles throughput if all clients are Force 300 AC but you can realize 
improvements if only some of the clients are switched like your heavy users. 
They will also release an update so the Force 300 CPE will connect to existing 
1000 and 2000 AP's. So instead of 110 Mbps aggregate in 20mhz channel, you can 
realize up to 250 Mbps in 20mhz channel with 3000 and Force 300 CPE. 


3000 is 5ghz only, not 2.4 at this time. 






On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:08 AM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



" Roughly doubles available throughout on ap" 
in the same channel size? 
I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz 


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak < jno...@lrcomm.com > wrote: 



Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work with 
the new AP is how I took it. 




On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote: 







Coming soon 


Roughly doubles available throughout on ap 


If I heard right won't work with elevate 


Ac based chipset 


Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet 







Sent from my smartphone 











-- 


Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi 
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi 
Like us on Facebook 

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

[Carl Peterson]

I ordered a number of their smaller cases for testing and they just didn't
feel right or seem well thought out.  Could also just be that I don't know
how to order the right parts to go inside them.  Like ordering just a
Coyote DTC6 case but not knowing how to order all the right inside parts
and grommets to make it work.

Ended up just working with the DTC6 in a layered feeder design where we
feed a string of DTC6s with a 24 strand clearfield cable in 10/6 coming
from a real splice case and then feed YourX terminals off of the DTC6 using
strongfiber run through 10/6.  Wouldn't work as well running down a road in
a line but works really well when you need to service a few hundred
distributed houses in a community off of one real splice case.

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> If your used to the FOSC case ‘gel seal’, we found it’s pretty trustworthy
> and quick. Otherwise your using headshrink with every other brand which
> takes some more time. I’ve not seen a gel seal design with any other brands
> but I didn’t search very well.
>
> Another option to consider is going above ground for the splices.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2018, at 6:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?
>
> I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of
> everyone else.
>
> Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut
> corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and
> out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You
> will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just
> for the splice case.
> Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer
> before electronics just to make the splice.
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

[chuck]

I am going to buy a few and give them a try.  I wonder how well they will do 
under water.
They need to work on their online search.  I am always having problems finding 
stuff I know they have.

Anyone know what the super sticky gel rubber is made from?  

From: Steve Utick 
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

They are listed under WDM & Optical Access:

https://www.fs.com/c/fiber-optic-splice-closure-17


On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I see trays but not enclosures.

  Link?

  From: Erich Kaiser 
  Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:54 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

  They do have one for 144 count fiber on their website, looks to be about $44 

  Erich Kaiser

  North Central Tower
  er...@northcentraltower.com
  Office: 815-570-3101





  On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?  

I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of 
everyone else.

Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut 
corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and out 
of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You will be 
paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just for the 
splice case.  
Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer 
before electronics just to make the splice.  

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Justin Wilson]

FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430 would connect 
to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You didn’t get all the cool 
features of the 450, but the clients worked.  ePMP is following the same 
philosophy.  If anyone out there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you up with 
some great promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have some pretty 
cool options for folks new to ePMP.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
> 
> This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP 2000.
> 
> This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a little 
> later like Q2.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
> In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen. Hopefully 
> that's not the reason behind the delay.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Darin Steffl"  >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 4:16:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
> 
> Josh,
> 
> Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update in 
> the next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k AP's. 
> That's been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and partner docs.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
> Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.
> 
> Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St 
> 
> Suite 1337 
> 
> Troy, OH 45373 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones  > wrote:
> " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap" 
> in the same channel size?
> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz
> 
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak  > wrote:
> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work 
> with the new AP is how I took it.
> 
> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  > wrote:
> Coming soon
> 
> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
> 
> If I heard right won't work with elevate
> 
> Ac based chipset
> 
> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my smartphone
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com 
> 507-634-WiFi
>   Like us on Facebook 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com 
> 507-634-WiFi
>   Like us on Facebook 
>  Announcement.pdf>

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

[Adam Moffett]

For drop termination I'm really eyeballing the Multilink Optima-S, but I 
haven't deployed any yet.  With 4 ports it's around $135, so it does not 
fit the lower price you're looking for.  It has an upper and lower 
compartment: splice trays in the lower compartment, female terminations 
in the upper compartment.  The idea is during construction you run a few 
pigtails from the lower to upper compartmentone for each house you 
might hook up.  If you're doing PON you could stash a splitter in the 
lower compartment as well.


The installer then just does a field termination and plugs it in.  My 
hope would be that we save time from setting up and tearing down the 
splicer, taking the enclosure off the pole, putting it back up, and 
retying the slack.  We're also not splicing in a bucket or having a 
cable puller guy monkeying with splice trays with 144 other people's 
service just waiting to be tangled up or bent or broken.  I would like 
to pay less, but I'm focusing on saving time and avoiding costly error.




-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/11/2018 6:26:15 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Splice Cases


Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?

I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of 
everyone else.


Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut 
corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in 
and out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 
drops.  You will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to 
$40 per drop just for the splice case.
Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per 
customer before electronics just to make the splice.

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

[chuck]

I don’t like connectors in splice cases.  If you burn it you know it is good.  
But I don’t do Aerial.  If I was doing Aerial I might consider it.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 8:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

For drop termination I'm really eyeballing the Multilink Optima-S, but I 
haven't deployed any yet.  With 4 ports it's around $135, so it does not fit 
the lower price you're looking for.  It has an upper and lower compartment: 
splice trays in the lower compartment, female terminations in the upper 
compartment.  The idea is during construction you run a few pigtails from the 
lower to upper compartmentone for each house you might hook up.  If you're 
doing PON you could stash a splitter in the lower compartment as well.

The installer then just does a field termination and plugs it in.  My hope 
would be that we save time from setting up and tearing down the splicer, taking 
the enclosure off the pole, putting it back up, and retying the slack.  We're 
also not splicing in a bucket or having a cable puller guy monkeying with 
splice trays with 144 other people's service just waiting to be tangled up or 
bent or broken.  I would like to pay less, but I'm focusing on saving time and 
avoiding costly error.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/11/2018 6:26:15 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

  Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?  

  I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of everyone 
else.

  Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut corners 
on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and out of a 
typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You will be paying 
$120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just for the splice 
case.  
  Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer 
before electronics just to make the splice.  

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

[Carl Peterson]

DTC6 is cheaper then the Optima-S  We get them for ~$90 without pigtails.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> For drop termination I'm really eyeballing the Multilink Optima-S, but I
> haven't deployed any yet.  With 4 ports it's around $135, so it does not
> fit the lower price you're looking for.  It has an upper and lower
> compartment: splice trays in the lower compartment, female terminations in
> the upper compartment.  The idea is during construction you run a few
> pigtails from the lower to upper compartmentone for each house you
> might hook up.  If you're doing PON you could stash a splitter in the lower
> compartment as well.
>
> The installer then just does a field termination and plugs it in.  My hope
> would be that we save time from setting up and tearing down the splicer,
> taking the enclosure off the pole, putting it back up, and retying the
> slack.  We're also not splicing in a bucket or having a cable puller guy
> monkeying with splice trays with 144 other people's service just waiting to
> be tangled up or bent or broken.  I would like to pay less, but I'm
> focusing on saving time and avoiding costly error.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/11/2018 6:26:15 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>
> Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?
>
> I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of
> everyone else.
>
> Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut
> corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and
> out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You
> will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just
> for the splice case.
> Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer
> before electronics just to make the splice.
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

[Erich Kaiser]

Let us know how they work, we may buy some as well depending on the outcome
of your testing :)

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101




On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:00 AM,  wrote:

> I am going to buy a few and give them a try.  I wonder how well they will
> do under water.
> They need to work on their online search.  I am always having problems
> finding stuff I know they have.
>
> Anyone know what the super sticky gel rubber is made from?
>
> *From:* Steve Utick
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>
> They are listed under WDM & Optical Access:
>
> https://www.fs.com/c/fiber-optic-splice-closure-17
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I see trays but not enclosures.
>>
>> Link?
>>
>> *From:* Erich Kaiser
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:54 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>>
>> They do have one for 144 count fiber on their website, looks to be about
>> $44
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 815-570-3101 <(815)%20570-3101>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?
>>>
>>> I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of
>>> everyone else.
>>>
>>> Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut
>>> corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and
>>> out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You
>>> will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just
>>> for the splice case.
>>> Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per
>>> customer before electronics just to make the splice.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

[chuck]

Come to AnimalFarm and see the results
www.afmug.com

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 9:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

Let us know how they work, we may buy some as well depending on the outcome of 
your testing :) 

Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:00 AM,  wrote:

  I am going to buy a few and give them a try.  I wonder how well they will do 
under water.
  They need to work on their online search.  I am always having problems 
finding stuff I know they have.

  Anyone know what the super sticky gel rubber is made from?  

  From: Steve Utick 
  Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:18 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

  They are listed under WDM & Optical Access:

  https://www.fs.com/c/fiber-optic-splice-closure-17


  On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I see trays but not enclosures.

Link?

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

They do have one for 144 count fiber on their website, looks to be about 
$44 

Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101





On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?  

  I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of 
everyone else.

  Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut 
corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and out 
of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You will be 
paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just for the 
splice case.  
  Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per 
customer before electronics just to make the splice.  

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

[Jon Langeler]

If you want to go China, I tried some from FCST.com.cn around $50ea + shipping 
was not cheap. 
Heat shrink works but not as nice ask FOSC.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Mar 12, 2018, at 11:24 AM,   wrote:
> 
> Come to AnimalFarm and see the results
> www.afmug.com
>  
> From: Erich Kaiser
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 9:16 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>  
> Let us know how they work, we may buy some as well depending on the outcome 
> of your testing :)
>  
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 815-570-3101
>  
> 
> 
>  
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:00 AM,  wrote:
>> I am going to buy a few and give them a try.  I wonder how well they will do 
>> under water.
>> They need to work on their online search.  I am always having problems 
>> finding stuff I know they have.
>>  
>> Anyone know what the super sticky gel rubber is made from? 
>>  
>> From: Steve Utick
>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:18 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>>  
>> They are listed under WDM & Optical Access:
>> 
>> https://www.fs.com/c/fiber-optic-splice-closure-17
>>  
>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> I see trays but not enclosures.
>>>  
>>> Link?
>>>  
>>> From: Erich Kaiser
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:54 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>>>  
>>> They do have one for 144 count fiber on their website, looks to be about $44
>>>  
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
 On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
 Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet? 
  
 I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of 
 everyone else.
  
 Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut 
 corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and 
 out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You 
 will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop 
 just for the splice case. 
 Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer 
 before electronics just to make the splice. 
>>> 
>>>  
>> 
>>  
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Josh Luthman]

Beautiful!!!  Thanks man!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP
> 2000.
>
> This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a
> little later like Q2.
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen.
>> Hopefully that's not the reason behind the delay.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 8, 2018 4:16:26 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>>
>> Josh,
>>
>> Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update
>> in the next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k
>> AP's. That's been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and
>> partner docs.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>>
>>> Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.
>>>
>>> Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
 in the same channel size?
 I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz

 On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
> work with the new AP is how I took it.
>
> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> wrote:
>
>> Coming soon
>>
>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>
>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>
>> Ac based chipset
>>
>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my smartphone
>>
>>

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Josh Luthman]

*cough* FSK and OFDM combo with integrated GPS *cough*


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

> FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430 would
> connect to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You didn’t get all the
> cool features of the 450, but the clients worked.  ePMP is following the
> same philosophy.  If anyone out there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you
> up with some great promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have
> some pretty cool options for folks new to ePMP.
>
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> www.mtin.net
> www.midwest-ix.com
>
> On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>
> This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP
> 2000.
>
> This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a
> little later like Q2.
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen.
>> Hopefully that's not the reason behind the delay.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 8, 2018 4:16:26 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>>
>> Josh,
>>
>> Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update
>> in the next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k
>> AP's. That's been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and
>> partner docs.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>>
>>> Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.
>>>
>>> Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
 in the same channel size?
 I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz

 On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
> work with the new AP is how I took it.
>
> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> wrote:
>
>> Coming soon
>>
>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>
>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>
>> Ac based chipset
>>
>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my smartphone
>>
>>

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Steve Jones]

Thats when I learned not to sign QC sheets for other people

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 12:16 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

>
> On Mar 9, 2018 8:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> Ha
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 7:44 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I did after
>>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2018 8:39 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Did you use some of your creative Stevespeak and got yourself booted?

 Jaime Solorza

 On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 7:08 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> I worked for a bird seed company, on my birthday they got me a meat
> and cheese tray in the morning and fired me in the afternoon. I thought
> that was a neat bday gift
>
> On Mar 9, 2018 7:48 PM, "Joe Novak"  wrote:
>
>> We get a extra PTO day to use in our birth month. You can take the
>> day, or take it later in the month and go see super troopers like I'm 
>> gonna
>> do :)
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2018 6:51 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/9/18 4:10 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>
 Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for
 the employee?

>>>
>>>
>>> Take the day off of work.
>>>
>>> ~Seth
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Enclosure

[Matt]

Do you have link to pole mount kit?


On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 7:02 PM, Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> Matt,
>
>
>
> We have stock on these.
>
> https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?
> idproduct=2517&idcategory=0
>
>
>
> We have them custom made just for our applications, and have a pole mount
> kit for them.
>
>
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess
>
> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <(314)%20735-0270> –
> dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 4:54 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor Enclosure
>
>
>
> Looking for outdoor enclosure that will hold a Packetflux RackInjector and
> Mikrotik rack mount 24 port CRS.  Something small enough I can pole mount.
> Anyone know of anything?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Enclosure

[Steve Jones]

Ive ordered a few things from polycase.com theyre affordable and have alot
of options

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Matt  wrote:

> Do you have link to pole mount kit?
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 7:02 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
>> Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have stock on these.
>>
>> https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idprodu
>> ct=2517&idcategory=0
>>
>>
>>
>> We have them custom made just for our applications, and have a pole mount
>> kit for them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess
>>
>> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <(314)%20735-0270> –
>> dmburg...@linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
>> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 4:54 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor Enclosure
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking for outdoor enclosure that will hold a Packetflux RackInjector
>> and Mikrotik rack mount 24 port CRS.  Something small enough I can pole
>> mount.  Anyone know of anything?
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Calix\Occam POTS Question

[Mike Hammett]

This is in reference to a BLC 6252-02 (also known as B6-252). Do any of you 
have any tips on what to do when the POTS screen just sits there grayed out and 
fuzzy? Only the first third of the ports on the main screen show status 
information. All DSL ports are fine. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Matt Mangriotis]

We’re good at it… we can’t work miracles!

😊
Matt

From: Af  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

*cough* FSK and OFDM combo with integrated GPS *cough*


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Justin Wilson 
mailto:li...@mtin.net>> wrote:
FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430 would connect 
to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You didn’t get all the cool 
features of the 450, but the clients worked.  ePMP is following the same 
philosophy.  If anyone out there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you up with 
some great promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have some pretty 
cool options for folks new to ePMP.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com


On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl 
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:

This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP 2000.

This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a little 
later like Q2.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen. Hopefully 
that's not the reason behind the delay.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing 
Solutions
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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Josh Luthman]

You know I love me some sweet sweet Cambium gear, but I have to make fun as
much as possible.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Matt Mangriotis <
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:

> We’re good at it… we can’t work miracles!
>
>
>
> 😊
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, March 12, 2018 11:04 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>
>
>
> *cough* FSK and OFDM combo with integrated GPS *cough*
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>
> FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430 would
> connect to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You didn’t get all the
> cool features of the 450, but the clients worked.  ePMP is following the
> same philosophy.  If anyone out there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you
> up with some great promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have
> some pretty cool options for folks new to ePMP.
>
>
>
>
>
> Justin Wilson
>
> j...@mtin.net
>
>
>
> www.mtin.net
> 
>
> www.midwest-ix.com
> 
>
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>
>
>
> This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP
> 2000.
>
>
>
> This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a
> little later like Q2.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen.
> Hopefully that's not the reason behind the delay.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
>
> 
>