Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-08 Thread chuck
Same parts  same source in China...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com part?  
Same plots.

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2* is my guess

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

  http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

  Does this antenna have down tilt?



Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-08 Thread chuck
That’s probably the max.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2* is my guess

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

  http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

  Does this antenna have down tilt?



Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-08 Thread chuck

Sigh I would love to do that.  But so many antennas, so little time...

-Original Message- 
From: Matt 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:01 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni 


Same parts  same source in China...


How about you make 3.6GHZ and 2.4GHZ versions.  Some very rural pops
with less then 10 subs I require other options.



That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com
part?  Same plots.





2* is my guess

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:


http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?





Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-08 Thread Matt
 Same parts  same source in China...

How about you make 3.6GHZ and 2.4GHZ versions.  Some very rural pops
with less then 10 subs I require other options.


 That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com
 part?  Same plots.



 2* is my guess

 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

 Does this antenna have down tilt?




Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-08 Thread Mathew Howard
Compared to the Arc, that lumpy pattern is really, really nice... I think
most sectors are closer to 360 degrees.

I think the pattern on the UBNT omni is really pretty close to the
KPP/L-Com/WB, but those seem to be built a bit better, and Chuck's ePMP
integration is pretty nice.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   Alpha might be better but AFAIK only makes 2.5 and 3.5 GHz.

 My experience with KPP and L-Com which are apparently from the same source
 as Chuck’s has been the performance is mediocre at best.  The gain doesn’t
 seem like it is really 13 dBi, the azimuth pattern is quite lumpy, and the
 V/H ratio will be all over the map.  Also I had the top cap blow off one of
 them in a storm.

 The published patterns for the UBNT omni will scare you off, they are very
 ugly, but maybe they are just being more honest than the competition.


  *From:* Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 08, 2015 12:06 PM
 *To:* af af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  I think I've actual only seen three different kinds of dual polarity
 omnis.

 UBNT and Arc are the only ones that seem to be different. The ones like
 Chuck sells seem the best, UBNT are second and Arc are complete trash.

 On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna
 manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?
  On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Same parts  same source in China...

  *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

   That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to
 L-Com part?  Same plots.

  *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  2* is my guess

 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

 Does this antenna have down tilt?







Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-08 Thread George Skorup
+1 The L-com/KP/WB has quite a bit of variation, especially the 
horizontal. We messed with one, turned it +/- 90 degrees and found a 
sweet spot where the V  H was nearly identical and left it facing the 
majority of the customers (450). The vertical would vary maybe 1-2dB 
while the horizontal was more like 4-5dB. And now with the 450 Lite APs, 
there's really no reason to do an omni. Well, I suppose if the site will 
never have more than a handful of customers.


On 7/8/2015 1:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Alpha might be better but AFAIK only makes 2.5 and 3.5 GHz.
My experience with KPP and L-Com which are apparently from the same 
source as Chuck’s has been the performance is mediocre at best.  The 
gain doesn’t seem like it is really 13 dBi, the azimuth pattern is 
quite lumpy, and the V/H ratio will be all over the map.  Also I had 
the top cap blow off one of them in a storm.
The published patterns for the UBNT omni will scare you off, they are 
very ugly, but maybe they are just being more honest than the competition.

*From:* Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 08, 2015 12:06 PM
*To:* af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
I think I've actual only seen three different kinds of dual polarity 
omnis.


UBNT and Arc are the only ones that seem to be different. The ones 
like Chuck sells seem the best, UBNT are second and Arc are complete 
trash.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote:


Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?

On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Same parts  same source in China...
*From:* Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees. Identical
to L-Com part?  Same plots.
*From:* TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
2* is my guess
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt
matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?





Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-08 Thread Colin Stanners
Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?
On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Same parts  same source in China...

  *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

   That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to
 L-Com part?  Same plots.

  *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  2* is my guess

 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

 Does this antenna have down tilt?





Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-08 Thread Josh Luthman
What's KBT?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna
 manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?
 On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Same parts  same source in China...

  *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

   That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to
 L-Com part?  Same plots.

  *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  2* is my guess

 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

 Does this antenna have down tilt?






Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-08 Thread chuck
Everyone seems to be buying from  the same source.

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna 
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?

On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Same parts  same source in China...

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com 
part?  Same plots.

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  2* is my guess

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?



Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-08 Thread Mathew Howard
I think I've actual only seen three different kinds of dual polarity omnis.

UBNT and Arc are the only ones that seem to be different. The ones like
Chuck sells seem the best, UBNT are second and Arc are complete trash.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna
 manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?
 On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Same parts  same source in China...

  *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

   That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to
 L-Com part?  Same plots.

  *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  2* is my guess

 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

 Does this antenna have down tilt?






Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-08 Thread chuck
They all come from the same place.
The only thing we offer is a very nice integrated mechanical option for the 
ePMP 450
Very clean integration.

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

I haven’t seen chuck’s but we have a lot of the UBNT ones up.  They work well.  
The only problem we have had is the caps coming off and the screws coming off 
between the mount and the antenna.  Have to locktite those and add silicon 
around the cap..

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

 

Secret.

On Jul 8, 2015 11:57 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

What's KBT?




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote:

Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna 
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?

On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Same parts  same source in China...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

 

That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com part?  
Same plots.

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

 

2* is my guess

 

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?

 

 


Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-08 Thread Rory Conaway
I haven’t seen chuck’s but we have a lot of the UBNT ones up.  They work well.  
The only problem we have had is the caps coming off and the screws coming off 
between the mount and the antenna.  Have to locktite those and add silicon 
around the cap..

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni


Secret.
On Jul 8, 2015 11:57 AM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
What's KBT?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Colin Stanners 
cstann...@gmail.commailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote:

Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna 
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?
On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Same parts  same source in China...

From: Ken Hohhofmailto:af...@kwisp.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com part?  
Same plots.

From: TJ Troutmailto:t...@voltbb.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2* is my guess

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt 
matt.mailingli...@gmail.commailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:
http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?




Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
Alpha might be better but AFAIK only makes 2.5 and 3.5 GHz.

My experience with KPP and L-Com which are apparently from the same source as 
Chuck’s has been the performance is mediocre at best.  The gain doesn’t seem 
like it is really 13 dBi, the azimuth pattern is quite lumpy, and the V/H ratio 
will be all over the map.  Also I had the top cap blow off one of them in a 
storm.

The published patterns for the UBNT omni will scare you off, they are very 
ugly, but maybe they are just being more honest than the competition.


From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 12:06 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

I think I've actual only seen three different kinds of dual polarity omnis.


UBNT and Arc are the only ones that seem to be different. The ones like Chuck 
sells seem the best, UBNT are second and Arc are complete trash.


On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote:

  Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna 
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?

  On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Same parts  same source in China...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com 
part?  Same plots.

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2* is my guess

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

  http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

  Does this antenna have down tilt?




Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
I have an L-Com omni that we replaced about a week ago because it blew its top. 
 I took a look inside it today, there ain’t much in there.  Curious if the guts 
of the Alpha antenna are more impressive.


From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 7:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

We have exactly one Alpha Wireless 2.4 GHz dual slant omni. Looks like a very 
tall coke can.




bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 7/8/2015 11:10 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Alpha might be better but AFAIK only makes 2.5 and 3.5 GHz.

  My experience with KPP and L-Com which are apparently from the same source as 
Chuck’s has been the performance is mediocre at best.  The gain doesn’t seem 
like it is really 13 dBi, the azimuth pattern is quite lumpy, and the V/H ratio 
will be all over the map.  Also I had the top cap blow off one of them in a 
storm.

  The published patterns for the UBNT omni will scare you off, they are very 
ugly, but maybe they are just being more honest than the competition.


  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 12:06 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  I think I've actual only seen three different kinds of dual polarity omnis.


  UBNT and Arc are the only ones that seem to be different. The ones like Chuck 
sells seem the best, UBNT are second and Arc are complete trash.


  On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote:

Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna 
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?

On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Same parts  same source in China...

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com 
part?  Same plots.

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  2* is my guess

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?






Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-08 Thread Bill Prince
We have exactly one Alpha Wireless 2.4 GHz dual slant omni. Looks like a 
very tall coke can.




bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 7/8/2015 11:10 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Alpha might be better but AFAIK only makes 2.5 and 3.5 GHz.
My experience with KPP and L-Com which are apparently from the same 
source as Chuck’s has been the performance is mediocre at best.  The 
gain doesn’t seem like it is really 13 dBi, the azimuth pattern is 
quite lumpy, and the V/H ratio will be all over the map.  Also I had 
the top cap blow off one of them in a storm.
The published patterns for the UBNT omni will scare you off, they are 
very ugly, but maybe they are just being more honest than the competition.

*From:* Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 08, 2015 12:06 PM
*To:* af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
I think I've actual only seen three different kinds of dual polarity 
omnis.


UBNT and Arc are the only ones that seem to be different. The ones 
like Chuck sells seem the best, UBNT are second and Arc are complete 
trash.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote:


Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?

On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Same parts  same source in China...
*From:* Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees. Identical
to L-Com part?  Same plots.
*From:* TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
2* is my guess
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt
matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?





Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
Yeah, I have a site with a 450 Full (built before the Lites existed) and one of 
those omnis, and a total of 6 subs.  And of course they are in all different 
directions so it would take a full set of sectors.

Hard to justify 4 Lite APs and sectors.  But the omni is only good for about 3 
miles if you’re lucky.  Less when the top blows off, and the rain and hornets 
get inside.


From: George Skorup 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 1:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

+1 The L-com/KP/WB has quite a bit of variation, especially the horizontal. We 
messed with one, turned it +/- 90 degrees and found a sweet spot where the V  
H was nearly identical and left it facing the majority of the customers (450). 
The vertical would vary maybe 1-2dB while the horizontal was more like 4-5dB. 
And now with the 450 Lite APs, there's really no reason to do an omni. Well, I 
suppose if the site will never have more than a handful of customers.


On 7/8/2015 1:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Alpha might be better but AFAIK only makes 2.5 and 3.5 GHz.

  My experience with KPP and L-Com which are apparently from the same source as 
Chuck’s has been the performance is mediocre at best.  The gain doesn’t seem 
like it is really 13 dBi, the azimuth pattern is quite lumpy, and the V/H ratio 
will be all over the map.  Also I had the top cap blow off one of them in a 
storm.

  The published patterns for the UBNT omni will scare you off, they are very 
ugly, but maybe they are just being more honest than the competition.


  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 12:06 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  I think I've actual only seen three different kinds of dual polarity omnis.


  UBNT and Arc are the only ones that seem to be different. The ones like Chuck 
sells seem the best, UBNT are second and Arc are complete trash.


  On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote:

Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna 
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?

On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Same parts  same source in China...

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com 
part?  Same plots.

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  2* is my guess

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?






Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-07 Thread TJ Trout
2* is my guess

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

 Does this antenna have down tilt?



[AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-07 Thread Matt
http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?


Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2015-07-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com part?  
Same plots.

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2* is my guess

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

  http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat=

  Does this antenna have down tilt?