Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

[Ken Hohhof]

AL-LSXM-MA

From: Glen Waldrop 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 8:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

Thanks for the feedback guys.

I may look into the polyphasers. I never tried them on this stuff as I figured 
lightning would kill the whole thing. Most of my strikes seem to be near misses 
that hit something and go up the tower.



From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

One thing I’ll say about the N connectors is they make it easy to screw a 
Polyphaser directly to each N connector.  I hate omnis for their tendency to 
get hit by lightning, but this method has saved the radio for me several times 
while the antenna is toast.  I think the Polyphasers cost us less than $50 each 
from Streakwave and haven’t had to replace them after lightning events.


From: George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

We have several deployed with 450 and ePMP. We see a lot of nulls in the 
pattern. It's pretty obvious when you can rotate it while watching some SMs and 
see the V/H ratio change. We'd be better off having a little less gain with a 
more uniform pattern.


On 2/23/2016 1:43 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I have not bought Chuck’s version, but I have used KPP and L-Com which I 
assume to be the same.  IMHO the performance is underwhelming, and if you pull 
the guts out, they look unimpressive.  Actually I had lightning blow the top 
off one so I got to look inside.  At least I assume it was lightning, as 
opposed to the cap just popping off.  But I’m guessing you could take out the 
screws on the bottom and slide the guts out to look.


  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:33 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

  They all come from the same source in China.  Those two OMNIs are the only 
antennas I import.  

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:31 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

  I don't think that's true, if I remember right, the Teletronics is the same 
as the omni Chuck sells and the KPP's, which from my experience seems to be the 
best ones out there. 
  I think the older ARC's may have been the same, but the new ones are junk... 
unless Teletronics has changed theirs to be the same as the newer ARC's.


  On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Glen Waldrop <gwl...@cngwireless.net> wrote:

The UBNT omni works decently, the ARC 13dBi omni isn’t so great, so anyone 
tried the Teletronics 5GHz 13dBi omni?

Their 2.4GHz omni works great, but I’ve been told that ARC and Teletronics 
use the same manufacturing plant, so the Teletronics 5GHz 13 dBi may have the 
same “not quite an omni” issues.

Any news out there guys?

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

[Glen Waldrop]

Thanks for the feedback guys.

I may look into the polyphasers. I never tried them on this stuff as I figured 
lightning would kill the whole thing. Most of my strikes seem to be near misses 
that hit something and go up the tower.



From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

One thing I’ll say about the N connectors is they make it easy to screw a 
Polyphaser directly to each N connector.  I hate omnis for their tendency to 
get hit by lightning, but this method has saved the radio for me several times 
while the antenna is toast.  I think the Polyphasers cost us less than $50 each 
from Streakwave and haven’t had to replace them after lightning events.


From: George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

We have several deployed with 450 and ePMP. We see a lot of nulls in the 
pattern. It's pretty obvious when you can rotate it while watching some SMs and 
see the V/H ratio change. We'd be better off having a little less gain with a 
more uniform pattern.


On 2/23/2016 1:43 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I have not bought Chuck’s version, but I have used KPP and L-Com which I 
assume to be the same.  IMHO the performance is underwhelming, and if you pull 
the guts out, they look unimpressive.  Actually I had lightning blow the top 
off one so I got to look inside.  At least I assume it was lightning, as 
opposed to the cap just popping off.  But I’m guessing you could take out the 
screws on the bottom and slide the guts out to look.


  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:33 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

  They all come from the same source in China.  Those two OMNIs are the only 
antennas I import.  

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:31 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

  I don't think that's true, if I remember right, the Teletronics is the same 
as the omni Chuck sells and the KPP's, which from my experience seems to be the 
best ones out there. 
  I think the older ARC's may have been the same, but the new ones are junk... 
unless Teletronics has changed theirs to be the same as the newer ARC's.


  On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Glen Waldrop <gwl...@cngwireless.net> wrote:

The UBNT omni works decently, the ARC 13dBi omni isn’t so great, so anyone 
tried the Teletronics 5GHz 13dBi omni?

Their 2.4GHz omni works great, but I’ve been told that ARC and Teletronics 
use the same manufacturing plant, so the Teletronics 5GHz 13 dBi may have the 
same “not quite an omni” issues.

Any news out there guys?

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

[Ken Hohhof]

One thing I’ll say about the N connectors is they make it easy to screw a 
Polyphaser directly to each N connector.  I hate omnis for their tendency to 
get hit by lightning, but this method has saved the radio for me several times 
while the antenna is toast.  I think the Polyphasers cost us less than $50 each 
from Streakwave and haven’t had to replace them after lightning events.


From: George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

We have several deployed with 450 and ePMP. We see a lot of nulls in the 
pattern. It's pretty obvious when you can rotate it while watching some SMs and 
see the V/H ratio change. We'd be better off having a little less gain with a 
more uniform pattern.


On 2/23/2016 1:43 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I have not bought Chuck’s version, but I have used KPP and L-Com which I 
assume to be the same.  IMHO the performance is underwhelming, and if you pull 
the guts out, they look unimpressive.  Actually I had lightning blow the top 
off one so I got to look inside.  At least I assume it was lightning, as 
opposed to the cap just popping off.  But I’m guessing you could take out the 
screws on the bottom and slide the guts out to look.


  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:33 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

  They all come from the same source in China.  Those two OMNIs are the only 
antennas I import.  

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:31 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

  I don't think that's true, if I remember right, the Teletronics is the same 
as the omni Chuck sells and the KPP's, which from my experience seems to be the 
best ones out there. 
  I think the older ARC's may have been the same, but the new ones are junk... 
unless Teletronics has changed theirs to be the same as the newer ARC's.


  On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Glen Waldrop <gwl...@cngwireless.net> wrote:

The UBNT omni works decently, the ARC 13dBi omni isn’t so great, so anyone 
tried the Teletronics 5GHz 13dBi omni?

Their 2.4GHz omni works great, but I’ve been told that ARC and Teletronics 
use the same manufacturing plant, so the Teletronics 5GHz 13 dBi may have the 
same “not quite an omni” issues.

Any news out there guys?

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, but I think the pattern is better than any of the other 5ghz omnis,
the UBNT's seem pretty similar, but I think the nulls are slightly worse -
the ARC's are completely different, but they have far, far worse nulls than
either of the other two.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 1:53 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> We have several deployed with 450 and ePMP. We see a lot of nulls in the
> pattern. It's pretty obvious when you can rotate it while watching some SMs
> and see the V/H ratio change. We'd be better off having a little less gain
> with a more uniform pattern.
>
> On 2/23/2016 1:43 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I have not bought Chuck’s version, but I have used KPP and L-Com which I
> assume to be the same.  IMHO the performance is underwhelming, and if you
> pull the guts out, they look unimpressive.  Actually I had lightning blow
> the top off one so I got to look inside.  At least I assume it was
> lightning, as opposed to the cap just popping off.  But I’m guessing you
> could take out the screws on the bottom and slide the guts out to look.
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:33 PM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni
>
> They all come from the same source in China.  Those two OMNIs are the only
> antennas I import.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:31 PM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni
>
> I don't think that's true, if I remember right, the Teletronics is the
> same as the omni Chuck sells and the KPP's, which from my experience seems
> to be the best ones out there.
> I think the older ARC's may have been the same, but the new ones are
> junk... unless Teletronics has changed theirs to be the same as the newer
> ARC's.
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Glen Waldrop < <gwl...@cngwireless.net>
> gwl...@cngwireless.net> wrote:
>
>> The UBNT omni works decently, the ARC 13dBi omni isn’t so great, so
>> anyone tried the Teletronics 5GHz 13dBi omni?
>>
>> Their 2.4GHz omni works great, but I’ve been told that ARC and
>> Teletronics use the same manufacturing plant, so the Teletronics 5GHz 13
>> dBi may have the same “not quite an omni” issues.
>>
>> Any news out there guys?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

[George Skorup]

We have several deployed with 450 and ePMP. We see a lot of nulls in the 
pattern. It's pretty obvious when you can rotate it while watching some 
SMs and see the V/H ratio change. We'd be better off having a little 
less gain with a more uniform pattern.


On 2/23/2016 1:43 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I have not bought Chuck’s version, but I have used KPP and L-Com which 
I assume to be the same.  IMHO the performance is underwhelming, and 
if you pull the guts out, they look unimpressive.  Actually I had 
lightning blow the top off one so I got to look inside.  At least I 
assume it was lightning, as opposed to the cap just popping off.  But 
I’m guessing you could take out the screws on the bottom and slide the 
guts out to look.

*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:33 PM
*To:* af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni
They all come from the same source in China.  Those two OMNIs are the 
only antennas I import.

*From:* Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:31 PM
*To:* af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni
I don't think that's true, if I remember right, the Teletronics is the 
same as the omni Chuck sells and the KPP's, which from my experience 
seems to be the best ones out there.
I think the older ARC's may have been the same, but the new ones are 
junk... unless Teletronics has changed theirs to be the same as the 
newer ARC's.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Glen Waldrop <gwl...@cngwireless.net 
<mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net>> wrote:


The UBNT omni works decently, the ARC 13dBi omni isn’t so great,
so anyone tried the Teletronics 5GHz 13dBi omni?

Their 2.4GHz omni works great, but I’ve been told that ARC and
Teletronics use the same manufacturing plant, so the Teletronics
5GHz 13 dBi may have the same “not quite an omni” issues.

Any news out there guys?

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

[Ken Hohhof]

I have not bought Chuck’s version, but I have used KPP and L-Com which I assume 
to be the same.  IMHO the performance is underwhelming, and if you pull the 
guts out, they look unimpressive.  Actually I had lightning blow the top off 
one so I got to look inside.  At least I assume it was lightning, as opposed to 
the cap just popping off.  But I’m guessing you could take out the screws on 
the bottom and slide the guts out to look.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:33 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

They all come from the same source in China.  Those two OMNIs are the only 
antennas I import.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:31 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

I don't think that's true, if I remember right, the Teletronics is the same as 
the omni Chuck sells and the KPP's, which from my experience seems to be the 
best ones out there. 
I think the older ARC's may have been the same, but the new ones are junk... 
unless Teletronics has changed theirs to be the same as the newer ARC's.


On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Glen Waldrop <gwl...@cngwireless.net> wrote:

  The UBNT omni works decently, the ARC 13dBi omni isn’t so great, so anyone 
tried the Teletronics 5GHz 13dBi omni?

  Their 2.4GHz omni works great, but I’ve been told that ARC and Teletronics 
use the same manufacturing plant, so the Teletronics 5GHz 13 dBi may have the 
same “not quite an omni” issues.

  Any news out there guys?

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

[Chuck McCown]

They all come from the same source in China.  Those two OMNIs are the only 
antennas I import.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:31 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

I don't think that's true, if I remember right, the Teletronics is the same as 
the omni Chuck sells and the KPP's, which from my experience seems to be the 
best ones out there. 
I think the older ARC's may have been the same, but the new ones are junk... 
unless Teletronics has changed theirs to be the same as the newer ARC's.


On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Glen Waldrop <gwl...@cngwireless.net> wrote:

  The UBNT omni works decently, the ARC 13dBi omni isn’t so great, so anyone 
tried the Teletronics 5GHz 13dBi omni?

  Their 2.4GHz omni works great, but I’ve been told that ARC and Teletronics 
use the same manufacturing plant, so the Teletronics 5GHz 13 dBi may have the 
same “not quite an omni” issues.

  Any news out there guys?

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

[Mathew Howard]

I don't think that's true, if I remember right, the Teletronics is the same
as the omni Chuck sells and the KPP's, which from my experience seems to be
the best ones out there.
I think the older ARC's may have been the same, but the new ones are
junk... unless Teletronics has changed theirs to be the same as the newer
ARC's.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Glen Waldrop 
wrote:

> The UBNT omni works decently, the ARC 13dBi omni isn’t so great, so anyone
> tried the Teletronics 5GHz 13dBi omni?
>
> Their 2.4GHz omni works great, but I’ve been told that ARC and Teletronics
> use the same manufacturing plant, so the Teletronics 5GHz 13 dBi may have
> the same “not quite an omni” issues.
>
> Any news out there guys?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

[Ty Featherling]

You might like KPPerformance antennas then. They have N-connectors on them.

kpperformance.ca

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Glen Waldrop <gwl...@cngwireless.net>
wrote:

> I have and I might again, but I like the N-type connectors when I don’t
> have a radio that mounts to the UBNT antenna.
>
> Most of my small tower radios have a 2.4 and 5 in the same enclosure.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni
>
>
> Why not use the Ubnt?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Feb 23, 2016 1:23 PM, "Glen Waldrop" <gwl...@cngwireless.net> wrote:
>
>> The UBNT omni works decently, the ARC 13dBi omni isn’t so great, so
>> anyone tried the Teletronics 5GHz 13dBi omni?
>>
>> Their 2.4GHz omni works great, but I’ve been told that ARC and
>> Teletronics use the same manufacturing plant, so the Teletronics 5GHz 13
>> dBi may have the same “not quite an omni” issues.
>>
>> Any news out there guys?
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

[Glen Waldrop]

I have and I might again, but I like the N-type connectors when I don’t have a 
radio that mounts to the UBNT antenna.

Most of my small tower radios have a 2.4 and 5 in the same enclosure.



From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

Why not use the Ubnt?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 23, 2016 1:23 PM, "Glen Waldrop" <gwl...@cngwireless.net> wrote:

  The UBNT omni works decently, the ARC 13dBi omni isn’t so great, so anyone 
tried the Teletronics 5GHz 13dBi omni?

  Their 2.4GHz omni works great, but I’ve been told that ARC and Teletronics 
use the same manufacturing plant, so the Teletronics 5GHz 13 dBi may have the 
same “not quite an omni” issues.

  Any news out there guys?

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

[Josh Luthman]

Why not use the Ubnt?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 23, 2016 1:23 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

> The UBNT omni works decently, the ARC 13dBi omni isn’t so great, so anyone
> tried the Teletronics 5GHz 13dBi omni?
>
> Their 2.4GHz omni works great, but I’ve been told that ARC and Teletronics
> use the same manufacturing plant, so the Teletronics 5GHz 13 dBi may have
> the same “not quite an omni” issues.
>
> Any news out there guys?
>
>
>

[AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

[Glen Waldrop]

The UBNT omni works decently, the ARC 13dBi omni isn’t so great, so anyone 
tried the Teletronics 5GHz 13dBi omni?

Their 2.4GHz omni works great, but I’ve been told that ARC and Teletronics use 
the same manufacturing plant, so the Teletronics 5GHz 13 dBi may have the same 
“not quite an omni” issues.

Any news out there guys?