Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable
I have a couple thousand feet of that plus some pile attachment hardware if you wanted to try it cheap. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015, 7:13 PM Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: That's what I use. Keep in mind that the attachment hardware you're looking at (trunion) is mainly for straight runs and some slight turns. You'll need dead ends for many of the turns. On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Ah.the stuff I'm looking at is labeled ADSS and it has a non-metallic strength member under the outer jacket. The pole attachment hardware is an aluminum clamp with a rubber grommet. It just squeezes the cable. Like this guy: http://www.aflglobal.com/Products/Fiber-Optic-Cable/ADSS/Mini-Span/ADSS-Mini-Span.aspx I can understand twisting a figure-8...that makes sense. On 8/18/2015 3:25 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yes *From:* Jason McKemie *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Are you talking about figure-8 cable? On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, don't make it all pretty between poles. Put twists in it. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Huhyou mean literally grab the cable and twist it before clamping it into the holder? Or do you mean coils? I'm looking at a place where I'm confident there will be no need for more strands during my lifetime. Upsides I'm guessing are simpler installation? Cheaper? On 8/18/2015 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: It dances in the wind unless you give it several twists in each span. Plus, on larger strand type deployments, you cannot come back and lash more cables to the same strand. Other than that it has some nice upsides. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Is there any downside to self supporting cable?
Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable
stupid question: There's no reason I can't put it in conduit right? Suppose I was mostly aerial but maybe I had to go underground for a short ways. On 8/18/2015 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: It dances in the wind unless you give it several twists in each span. Plus, on larger strand type deployments, you cannot come back and lash more cables to the same strand. Other than that it has some nice upsides. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Is there any downside to self supporting cable?
Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable
Ah.the stuff I'm looking at is labeled ADSS and it has a non-metallic strength member under the outer jacket. The pole attachment hardware is an aluminum clamp with a rubber grommet. It just squeezes the cable. Like this guy: http://www.aflglobal.com/Products/Fiber-Optic-Cable/ADSS/Mini-Span/ADSS-Mini-Span.aspx I can understand twisting a figure-8...that makes sense. On 8/18/2015 3:25 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yes *From:* Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Are you talking about figure-8 cable? On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, don't make it all pretty between poles. Put twists in it. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:16 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Huhyou mean literally grab the cable and twist it before clamping it into the holder? Or do you mean coils? I'm looking at a place where I'm confident there will be no need for more strands during my lifetime. Upsides I'm guessing are simpler installation? Cheaper? On 8/18/2015 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: It dances in the wind unless you give it several twists in each span. Plus, on larger strand type deployments, you cannot come back and lash more cables to the same strand. Other than that it has some nice upsides. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Is there any downside to self supporting cable?
Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable
Gotcha, I haven't used that particular type of self-supporting cable. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes *From:* Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Are you talking about figure-8 cable? On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, don't make it all pretty between poles. Put twists in it. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Huhyou mean literally grab the cable and twist it before clamping it into the holder? Or do you mean coils? I'm looking at a place where I'm confident there will be no need for more strands during my lifetime. Upsides I'm guessing are simpler installation? Cheaper? On 8/18/2015 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: It dances in the wind unless you give it several twists in each span. Plus, on larger strand type deployments, you cannot come back and lash more cables to the same strand. Other than that it has some nice upsides. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Is there any downside to self supporting cable?
Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable
I've run my ADSS through conduit, the only downside to that is that it isn't armored. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: stupid question: There's no reason I can't put it in conduit right? Suppose I was mostly aerial but maybe I had to go underground for a short ways. On 8/18/2015 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: It dances in the wind unless you give it several twists in each span. Plus, on larger strand type deployments, you cannot come back and lash more cables to the same strand. Other than that it has some nice upsides. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Is there any downside to self supporting cable?
Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable
So I guess the closure could only go on the pole. On 8/18/2015 3:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Simpler / cheaper installation. You can also do away with some make-ready work since you can go closer to the neutral in many situations. The downside is that splice closure placement is more of a PITA, since you can't just clamp them to the strand. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Huhyou mean literally grab the cable and twist it before clamping it into the holder? Or do you mean coils? I'm looking at a place where I'm confident there will be no need for more strands during my lifetime. Upsides I'm guessing are simpler installation? Cheaper? On 8/18/2015 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: It dances in the wind unless you give it several twists in each span. Plus, on larger strand type deployments, you cannot come back and lash more cables to the same strand. Other than that it has some nice upsides. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Is there any downside to self supporting cable?
Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable
Yes From: Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Are you talking about figure-8 cable? On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, don't make it all pretty between poles. Put twists in it. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Huhyou mean literally grab the cable and twist it before clamping it into the holder? Or do you mean coils? I'm looking at a place where I'm confident there will be no need for more strands during my lifetime. Upsides I'm guessing are simpler installation? Cheaper? On 8/18/2015 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: It dances in the wind unless you give it several twists in each span. Plus, on larger strand type deployments, you cannot come back and lash more cables to the same strand. Other than that it has some nice upsides. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Is there any downside to self supporting cable?
Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable
It dances in the wind unless you give it several twists in each span. Plus, on larger strand type deployments, you cannot come back and lash more cables to the same strand. Other than that it has some nice upsides. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Is there any downside to self supporting cable?
Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable
Huhyou mean literally grab the cable and twist it before clamping it into the holder? Or do you mean coils? I'm looking at a place where I'm confident there will be no need for more strands during my lifetime. Upsides I'm guessing are simpler installation? Cheaper? On 8/18/2015 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: It dances in the wind unless you give it several twists in each span. Plus, on larger strand type deployments, you cannot come back and lash more cables to the same strand. Other than that it has some nice upsides. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Is there any downside to self supporting cable?
Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable
Are you talking about figure-8 cable? On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, don't make it all pretty between poles. Put twists in it. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Huhyou mean literally grab the cable and twist it before clamping it into the holder? Or do you mean coils? I'm looking at a place where I'm confident there will be no need for more strands during my lifetime. Upsides I'm guessing are simpler installation? Cheaper? On 8/18/2015 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: It dances in the wind unless you give it several twists in each span. Plus, on larger strand type deployments, you cannot come back and lash more cables to the same strand. Other than that it has some nice upsides. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Is there any downside to self supporting cable?
[AFMUG] ADSS cable
Is there any downside to self supporting cable?
Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable
Yes, don't make it all pretty between poles. Put twists in it. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Huhyou mean literally grab the cable and twist it before clamping it into the holder? Or do you mean coils? I'm looking at a place where I'm confident there will be no need for more strands during my lifetime. Upsides I'm guessing are simpler installation? Cheaper? On 8/18/2015 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: It dances in the wind unless you give it several twists in each span. Plus, on larger strand type deployments, you cannot come back and lash more cables to the same strand. Other than that it has some nice upsides. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Is there any downside to self supporting cable?
Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable
That is where I've been putting them, or in a hand-hole by the pole. The slack storage is another issue, but technically you can store that on the ADSS. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: So I guess the closure could only go on the pole. On 8/18/2015 3:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Simpler / cheaper installation. You can also do away with some make-ready work since you can go closer to the neutral in many situations. The downside is that splice closure placement is more of a PITA, since you can't just clamp them to the strand. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Huhyou mean literally grab the cable and twist it before clamping it into the holder? Or do you mean coils? I'm looking at a place where I'm confident there will be no need for more strands during my lifetime. Upsides I'm guessing are simpler installation? Cheaper? On 8/18/2015 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: It dances in the wind unless you give it several twists in each span. Plus, on larger strand type deployments, you cannot come back and lash more cables to the same strand. Other than that it has some nice upsides. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Is there any downside to self supporting cable?
Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable
That's what I use. Keep in mind that the attachment hardware you're looking at (trunion) is mainly for straight runs and some slight turns. You'll need dead ends for many of the turns. On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Ah.the stuff I'm looking at is labeled ADSS and it has a non-metallic strength member under the outer jacket. The pole attachment hardware is an aluminum clamp with a rubber grommet. It just squeezes the cable. Like this guy: http://www.aflglobal.com/Products/Fiber-Optic-Cable/ADSS/Mini-Span/ADSS-Mini-Span.aspx I can understand twisting a figure-8...that makes sense. On 8/18/2015 3:25 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yes *From:* Jason McKemie javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Are you talking about figure-8 cable? On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Chuck McCown javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');ch...@wbmfg.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com'); wrote: Yes, don't make it all pretty between poles. Put twists in it. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:16 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Huhyou mean literally grab the cable and twist it before clamping it into the holder? Or do you mean coils? I'm looking at a place where I'm confident there will be no need for more strands during my lifetime. Upsides I'm guessing are simpler installation? Cheaper? On 8/18/2015 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: It dances in the wind unless you give it several twists in each span. Plus, on larger strand type deployments, you cannot come back and lash more cables to the same strand. Other than that it has some nice upsides. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Is there any downside to self supporting cable?
