Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Rick Harnish]

I know WAV Online, CTI and Tessco have them.Respectively,Rick HarnishDirector of WISP MarketsDirect: 972.922.1443Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc.Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DroidOn May 2, 2017 1:45 AM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:Any suggestions for jumper cable sources?On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Rick Harnish <rick.harnish@baicells.com> wrote:Some things to know about LTE sectors.LTE doesn’t like sector overlap.Use 65 degree sectors on 90 degree azimuth separation in an ABAB frequency reuse pattern for best performance. 20 MHz channelsIf you must use 3 sectors, use 90 degree sectors on a 120 degree azimuth separation.  You will need to use ABC 10 MHz channel configuration, which will cut the capacity in half.Make sure your sectors are pointed on a very accurate azimuthMake sure you set your downtilt accurately and then test.  Use Low-PIM RF jumper cables. Read about these and more at http://community.na.baicells.com/c/welcome/baitips and join the Facebook Baicells Operators Support Group.  Respectfully, --Rick Harnish Director of WISP Markets Baicells Technologies North America, Inc.Mobile:  (972) 922-1443 rick.harnish@baicells.comwww.facebook.com/baicells  From: Af [mailto:af-bounces@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemieSent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 7:09 PMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65 So, I bit the bullet and bought a starter kit.  I haven't picked up a sector antenna as of yet though.  The base station appears to have 4 N connectors, but the antennas are all standard dual-pol.  Are there just two unused connectors, or am I looking at the wrong antennas? On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 7:01 PM, David <mail@davidkunat.com> wrote:"Bridge Mode" is not actual layer 2 mode. It tunnels DHCP traffic and perhaps other traffic between the CPE and the Base stating data interface so that you can use Powercode or something similar to hand out addresses. I set it up, and it works for DHCP just fine. The device you plug into the CPE still gets an EPC  ip address (the EPC is the cloud management server or it can also run on your own server, it is required and tunnels to the base station). They are making lots of progress, and if they follow through with new LTE revisions, this may very well may be the next new thing. Right now, its a work in progress, but works to sell internet for residential customers and we are happy with it for our needs. We power them with a Netonix, off of a POE port. Works great. Just set the port to 48VH (only the first port on a WS-8-150, or only the first 4 ports on a WS-12-250 up to Revision F, and only the first 2 ports on WS-12-250 after revision F) and connect orange and blue pairs to POSITIVE and green and brown pairs to NEGATIVE. You eat up one port on your Netonix if you have a small one, since you still have to connect the data cable of course (data port is labeled "WAN" port on the outside). Hope that helps someone experimenting. There are quite a few tweaks we had to do to make them work. Plan on 2 to 4 days of messing with it. Support is responsive. David On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Joe Novak <jnovak@lrcomm.com> wrote:Eventually there will be a 1/dollar per month fee per user for the Cloud EPC. They are working on a local EPC option but it's not ironed out yet. The monthly user fee is not being charged yet as far as I know.  Joe On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mitch Koep <afmug@abwisp.com> wrote:Are there any hidden feeslike monthly, cpe based, AP based, number of users?Core controller?Thanks  On 04/28/2017 02:59 PM, Jerry Head wrote:True.On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that there's actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - the eNB does come with the power connector, which can easily be put on cable of the appropriate type.You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector. On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head <lists@blountbroadband.com> wrote:You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE. On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:Hi Jason,Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for the AP itself.The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3 routing, l2 bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp, and comprehensive management are still very much works in progress. The cloud EPC also tends to have issues and goes down randomly. They are bringing up more instances in Microsoft's azure cloud and altering some of the ways the tunnel works they said recently. Timothy AlexanderAmplex InternetE-mail: tima@amplex.netOffice: 419-837-5015Mailing Address:22690 Pemberville RdLuckey, OH 43443On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: -- Mitch Koep A Better Wireless218-851-8689 cell  -- David Kunat 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Jason McKemie]

Any suggestions for jumper cable sources?

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Rick Harnish <rick.harn...@baicells.com>
wrote:

> Some things to know about LTE sectors.
>
>1. LTE doesn’t like sector overlap.
>2. Use 65 degree sectors on 90 degree azimuth separation in an ABAB
>frequency reuse pattern for best performance. 20 MHz channels
>3. If you must use 3 sectors, use 90 degree sectors on a 120 degree
>azimuth separation.  You will need to use ABC 10 MHz channel configuration,
>which will cut the capacity in half.
>4. Make sure your sectors are pointed on a very accurate azimuth
>5. Make sure you set your downtilt accurately and then test.
>6. Use Low-PIM RF jumper cables.
>
>
>
> Read about these and more at http://community.na.baicells.
> com/c/welcome/baitips and join the Facebook Baicells Operators Support
> Group <https://www.facebook.com/groups/baicellsoperatorsupportgroup/>.
>
>
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> -[image: BaiCells_Tiny3]-
>
> Rick Harnish
>
>
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
>
>
> Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. <https://na.baicells.com/>
>
> Mobile:  (972) 922-1443
>
>
>
> rick.harn...@baicells.com
>
> www.facebook.com/baicells
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 30, 2017 7:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65
>
>
>
> So, I bit the bullet and bought a starter kit.  I haven't picked up a
> sector antenna as of yet though.  The base station appears to have 4 N
> connectors, but the antennas are all standard dual-pol.  Are there just two
> unused connectors, or am I looking at the wrong antennas?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 7:01 PM, David <m...@davidkunat.com> wrote:
>
> "Bridge Mode" is not actual layer 2 mode. It tunnels DHCP traffic and
> perhaps other traffic between the CPE and the Base stating data interface
> so that you can use Powercode or something similar to hand out addresses. I
> set it up, and it works for DHCP just fine. The device you plug into the
> CPE still gets an EPC  ip address (the EPC is the cloud management server
> or it can also run on your own server, it is required and tunnels to the
> base station).
>
>
>
> They are making lots of progress, and if they follow through with new LTE
> revisions, this may very well may be the next new thing. Right now, its a
> work in progress, but works to sell internet for residential customers and
> we are happy with it for our needs.
>
>
>
> We power them with a Netonix, off of a POE port. Works great. Just set the
> port to 48VH (only the first port on a WS-8-150, or only the first 4 ports
> on a WS-12-250 up to Revision F, and only the first 2 ports on WS-12-250
> after revision F) and connect orange and blue pairs to POSITIVE and green
> and brown pairs to NEGATIVE. You eat up one port on your Netonix if you
> have a small one, since you still have to connect the data cable of course
> (data port is labeled "WAN" port on the outside).
>
>
>
> Hope that helps someone experimenting. There are quite a few tweaks we had
> to do to make them work. Plan on 2 to 4 days of messing with it. Support is
> responsive.
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>
> Eventually there will be a 1/dollar per month fee per user for the Cloud
> EPC. They are working on a local EPC option but it's not ironed out yet.
> The monthly user fee is not being charged yet as far as I know.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mitch Koep <af...@abwisp.com> wrote:
>
> Are there any hidden fees
>
> like monthly, cpe based, AP based, number of users?
>
> Core controller?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> On 04/28/2017 02:59 PM, Jerry Head wrote:
>
> True.
>
>
> On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that there's
> actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - the eNB does
> come with the power connector, which can easily be put on cable of the
> appropriate type.
>
> You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head <li...@blountbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
> You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.
>
>
>
> On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for the
> AP itself.
&

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Rick Harnish]

Some things to know about LTE sectors.

1.  LTE doesn’t like sector overlap.
2.  Use 65 degree sectors on 90 degree azimuth separation in an ABAB 
frequency reuse pattern for best performance. 20 MHz channels
3.  If you must use 3 sectors, use 90 degree sectors on a 120 degree 
azimuth separation.  You will need to use ABC 10 MHz channel configuration, 
which will cut the capacity in half.
4.  Make sure your sectors are pointed on a very accurate azimuth
5.  Make sure you set your downtilt accurately and then test.  
6.  Use Low-PIM RF jumper cables.

 

Read about these and more at  
<http://community.na.baicells.com/c/welcome/baitips> 
http://community.na.baicells.com/c/welcome/baitips and join the Facebook  
<https://www.facebook.com/groups/baicellsoperatorsupportgroup/> Baicells 
Operators Support Group.

 

 

Respectfully,

 

--

Rick Harnish

 

Director of WISP Markets

 

 <https://na.baicells.com/> Baicells Technologies North America, Inc.

Mobile:  (972) 922-1443

 

 <mailto:rick.harn...@baicells.com> rick.harn...@baicells.com

 <http://www.facebook.com/baicells> www.facebook.com/baicells

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 7:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

 

So, I bit the bullet and bought a starter kit.  I haven't picked up a sector 
antenna as of yet though.  The base station appears to have 4 N connectors, but 
the antennas are all standard dual-pol.  Are there just two unused connectors, 
or am I looking at the wrong antennas?

 

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 7:01 PM, David <m...@davidkunat.com 
<mailto:m...@davidkunat.com> > wrote:

"Bridge Mode" is not actual layer 2 mode. It tunnels DHCP traffic and perhaps 
other traffic between the CPE and the Base stating data interface so that you 
can use Powercode or something similar to hand out addresses. I set it up, and 
it works for DHCP just fine. The device you plug into the CPE still gets an EPC 
 ip address (the EPC is the cloud management server or it can also run on your 
own server, it is required and tunnels to the base station).

 

They are making lots of progress, and if they follow through with new LTE 
revisions, this may very well may be the next new thing. Right now, its a work 
in progress, but works to sell internet for residential customers and we are 
happy with it for our needs.

 

We power them with a Netonix, off of a POE port. Works great. Just set the port 
to 48VH (only the first port on a WS-8-150, or only the first 4 ports on a 
WS-12-250 up to Revision F, and only the first 2 ports on WS-12-250 after 
revision F) and connect orange and blue pairs to POSITIVE and green and brown 
pairs to NEGATIVE. You eat up one port on your Netonix if you have a small one, 
since you still have to connect the data cable of course (data port is labeled 
"WAN" port on the outside).

 

Hope that helps someone experimenting. There are quite a few tweaks we had to 
do to make them work. Plan on 2 to 4 days of messing with it. Support is 
responsive.

 

David

 

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com 
<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

Eventually there will be a 1/dollar per month fee per user for the Cloud EPC. 
They are working on a local EPC option but it's not ironed out yet. The monthly 
user fee is not being charged yet as far as I know.

 

 

Joe

 

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mitch Koep <af...@abwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@abwisp.com> > wrote:

Are there any hidden fees

like monthly, cpe based, AP based, number of users?

Core controller?

Thanks

 

 

On 04/28/2017 02:59 PM, Jerry Head wrote:

True.


On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that there's 
actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - the eNB does come 
with the power connector, which can easily be put on cable of the appropriate 
type.

You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.

 

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head <li...@blountbroadband.com 
<mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com> > wrote:

You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE. 



On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:

Hi Jason,

Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for the AP 
itself.

The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3 routing, l2 
bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp, and comprehensive 
management are still very much works in progress. The cloud EPC also tends to 
have issues and goes down randomly. They are bringing up more instances in 
Microsoft's azure cloud and altering some of the ways the tunnel works they 
said recently. 



Timothy Alexander
Amplex Internet
E-mail: t...@amplex.net <mailto:t...@amplex.net> 
Office: 419-837-5015 <tel:%28419%29%20

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Rick Harnish]

The UEs are slant Matt.

 

Respectfully,

 

--

Rick Harnish

 

Director of WISP Markets

 

 <https://na.baicells.com/> Baicells Technologies North America, Inc.

Mobile:  (972) 922-1443

 

 <mailto:rick.harn...@baicells.com> rick.harn...@baicells.com

 <http://www.facebook.com/baicells> www.facebook.com/baicells

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 10:46 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

 

I think those are slant... should be usable either way, but slant is probably 
preferred. I'm actually kind of wondering if the Baicells UE's are really 
slant, or if they're actually H/V.

 

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 8:28 PM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > 
wrote:

So, I've got a Cambium / Laird / whatever antenna from a 320 setup (model 
85010107001). I can't remember if these are H/V or slant. Anyone happen to know?

On Sunday, April 30, 2017, David Kunat <m...@davidkunat.com 
<mailto:m...@davidkunat.com> > wrote:

Oops, he answered it first!

On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com 
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

There are only two antenna connectors on the base station. One of the N 
connectors is for the GPS antenna... I'm not sure about the 4th, off hand, but 
you definitely only need a dual polarity antenna. 

 

On Apr 30, 2017 6:09 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

So, I bit the bullet and bought a starter kit.  I haven't picked up a sector 
antenna as of yet though.  The base station appears to have 4 N connectors, but 
the antennas are all standard dual-pol.  Are there just two unused connectors, 
or am I looking at the wrong antennas?

 

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 7:01 PM, David <m...@davidkunat.com 
<mailto:m...@davidkunat.com> > wrote:

"Bridge Mode" is not actual layer 2 mode. It tunnels DHCP traffic and perhaps 
other traffic between the CPE and the Base stating data interface so that you 
can use Powercode or something similar to hand out addresses. I set it up, and 
it works for DHCP just fine. The device you plug into the CPE still gets an EPC 
 ip address (the EPC is the cloud management server or it can also run on your 
own server, it is required and tunnels to the base station).

 

They are making lots of progress, and if they follow through with new LTE 
revisions, this may very well may be the next new thing. Right now, its a work 
in progress, but works to sell internet for residential customers and we are 
happy with it for our needs.

 

We power them with a Netonix, off of a POE port. Works great. Just set the port 
to 48VH (only the first port on a WS-8-150, or only the first 4 ports on a 
WS-12-250 up to Revision F, and only the first 2 ports on WS-12-250 after 
revision F) and connect orange and blue pairs to POSITIVE and green and brown 
pairs to NEGATIVE. You eat up one port on your Netonix if you have a small one, 
since you still have to connect the data cable of course (data port is labeled 
"WAN" port on the outside).

 

Hope that helps someone experimenting. There are quite a few tweaks we had to 
do to make them work. Plan on 2 to 4 days of messing with it. Support is 
responsive.

 

David

 

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com 
<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

Eventually there will be a 1/dollar per month fee per user for the Cloud EPC. 
They are working on a local EPC option but it's not ironed out yet. The monthly 
user fee is not being charged yet as far as I know.

 

 

Joe

 

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mitch Koep <af...@abwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@abwisp.com> > wrote:

Are there any hidden fees

like monthly, cpe based, AP based, number of users?

Core controller?

Thanks

 

 

On 04/28/2017 02:59 PM, Jerry Head wrote:

True.


On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that there's 
actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - the eNB does come 
with the power connector, which can easily be put on cable of the appropriate 
type.

You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.

 

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head <li...@blountbroadband.com 
<mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com> > wrote:

You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE. 



On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:

Hi Jason,

Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for the AP 
itself.

The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3 routing, l2 
bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp, and comprehensive 
management are still very much works in progress. The cloud EPC also tends to 
have is

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Mathew Howard]

I think those are slant... should be usable either way, but slant is
probably preferred. I'm actually kind of wondering if the Baicells UE's are
really slant, or if they're actually H/V.

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 8:28 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> So, I've got a Cambium / Laird / whatever antenna from a 320 setup (model
> 85010107001). I can't remember if these are H/V or slant. Anyone happen to
> know?
>
> On Sunday, April 30, 2017, David Kunat  wrote:
>
>> Oops, he answered it first!
>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>> There are only two antenna connectors on the base station. One of the N
>> connectors is for the GPS antenna... I'm not sure about the 4th, off hand,
>> but you definitely only need a dual polarity antenna.
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2017 6:09 PM, "Jason McKemie" > com> wrote:
>>
>> So, I bit the bullet and bought a starter kit.  I haven't picked up a
>> sector antenna as of yet though.  The base station appears to have 4 N
>> connectors, but the antennas are all standard dual-pol.  Are there just two
>> unused connectors, or am I looking at the wrong antennas?
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 7:01 PM, David  wrote:
>>
>>> "Bridge Mode" is not actual layer 2 mode. It tunnels DHCP traffic and
>>> perhaps other traffic between the CPE and the Base stating data interface
>>> so that you can use Powercode or something similar to hand out addresses. I
>>> set it up, and it works for DHCP just fine. The device you plug into the
>>> CPE still gets an EPC  ip address (the EPC is the cloud management server
>>> or it can also run on your own server, it is required and tunnels to the
>>> base station).
>>>
>>> They are making lots of progress, and if they follow through with new
>>> LTE revisions, this may very well may be the next new thing. Right now, its
>>> a work in progress, but works to sell internet for residential customers
>>> and we are happy with it for our needs.
>>>
>>> We power them with a Netonix, off of a POE port. Works great. Just set
>>> the port to 48VH (only the first port on a WS-8-150, or only the first 4
>>> ports on a WS-12-250 up to Revision F, and only the first 2 ports on
>>> WS-12-250 after revision F) and connect orange and blue pairs to POSITIVE
>>> and green and brown pairs to NEGATIVE. You eat up one port on your
>>> Netonix if you have a small one, since you still have to connect the data
>>> cable of course (data port is labeled "WAN" port on the outside).
>>>
>>> Hope that helps someone experimenting. There are quite a few tweaks we
>>> had to do to make them work. Plan on 2 to 4 days of messing with it.
>>> Support is responsive.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>>
 Eventually there will be a 1/dollar per month fee per user for the
 Cloud EPC. They are working on a local EPC option but it's not ironed out
 yet. The monthly user fee is not being charged yet as far as I know.


 Joe

 On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:

> Are there any hidden fees
>
> like monthly, cpe based, AP based, number of users?
>
> Core controller?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On 04/28/2017 02:59 PM, Jerry Head wrote:
>
> True.
>
>
> On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that
> there's actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - the
> eNB does come with the power connector, which can easily be put on cable 
> of
> the appropriate type.
>
> You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head  > wrote:
>
>> You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.
>>
>>
>> On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for
>> the AP itself.
>>
>> The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3 routing,
>> l2 bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp, and comprehensive
>> management are still very much works in progress. The cloud EPC also 
>> tends
>> to have issues and goes down randomly. They are bringing up more 
>> instances
>> in Microsoft's azure cloud and altering some of the ways the tunnel works
>> they said recently.
>>
>>
>> *Timothy Alexander*
>> *Amplex Internet*
>> E-mail: t...@amplex.net
>> Office: 419-837-5015 <%28419%29%20837-5015>
>> Mailing Address:
>> 22690 Pemberville Rd
>> Luckey, OH 43443
>> On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Mitch Koep
>
> A Better 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Jason McKemie]

So, I've got a Cambium / Laird / whatever antenna from a 320 setup (model
85010107001). I can't remember if these are H/V or slant. Anyone happen to
know?

On Sunday, April 30, 2017, David Kunat  wrote:

> Oops, he answered it first!
> On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Mathew Howard  > wrote:
>
> There are only two antenna connectors on the base station. One of the N
> connectors is for the GPS antenna... I'm not sure about the 4th, off hand,
> but you definitely only need a dual polarity antenna.
>
> On Apr 30, 2017 6:09 PM, "Jason McKemie"  > wrote:
>
> So, I bit the bullet and bought a starter kit.  I haven't picked up a
> sector antenna as of yet though.  The base station appears to have 4 N
> connectors, but the antennas are all standard dual-pol.  Are there just two
> unused connectors, or am I looking at the wrong antennas?
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 7:01 PM, David  > wrote:
>
>> "Bridge Mode" is not actual layer 2 mode. It tunnels DHCP traffic and
>> perhaps other traffic between the CPE and the Base stating data interface
>> so that you can use Powercode or something similar to hand out addresses. I
>> set it up, and it works for DHCP just fine. The device you plug into the
>> CPE still gets an EPC  ip address (the EPC is the cloud management server
>> or it can also run on your own server, it is required and tunnels to the
>> base station).
>>
>> They are making lots of progress, and if they follow through with new LTE
>> revisions, this may very well may be the next new thing. Right now, its a
>> work in progress, but works to sell internet for residential customers and
>> we are happy with it for our needs.
>>
>> We power them with a Netonix, off of a POE port. Works great. Just set
>> the port to 48VH (only the first port on a WS-8-150, or only the first 4
>> ports on a WS-12-250 up to Revision F, and only the first 2 ports on
>> WS-12-250 after revision F) and connect orange and blue pairs to POSITIVE
>> and green and brown pairs to NEGATIVE. You eat up one port on your
>> Netonix if you have a small one, since you still have to connect the data
>> cable of course (data port is labeled "WAN" port on the outside).
>>
>> Hope that helps someone experimenting. There are quite a few tweaks we
>> had to do to make them work. Plan on 2 to 4 days of messing with it.
>> Support is responsive.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Joe Novak > > wrote:
>>
>>> Eventually there will be a 1/dollar per month fee per user for the Cloud
>>> EPC. They are working on a local EPC option but it's not ironed out yet.
>>> The monthly user fee is not being charged yet as far as I know.
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mitch Koep >> > wrote:
>>>
 Are there any hidden fees

 like monthly, cpe based, AP based, number of users?

 Core controller?

 Thanks



 On 04/28/2017 02:59 PM, Jerry Head wrote:

 True.


 On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that there's
 actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - the eNB does
 come with the power connector, which can easily be put on cable of the
 appropriate type.

 You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.

 On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head > wrote:

> You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.
>
>
> On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for
> the AP itself.
>
> The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3 routing,
> l2 bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp, and comprehensive
> management are still very much works in progress. The cloud EPC also tends
> to have issues and goes down randomly. They are bringing up more instances
> in Microsoft's azure cloud and altering some of the ways the tunnel works
> they said recently.
>
>
> *Timothy Alexander*
> *Amplex Internet*
> E-mail: t...@amplex.net
> 
> Office: 419-837-5015 <%28419%29%20837-5015>
> Mailing Address:
> 22690 Pemberville Rd
> Luckey, OH 43443
> On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>
>


 --
 Mitch Koep

 A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[David Kunat]

Oops, he answered it first!
> On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> There are only two antenna connectors on the base station. One of the N 
> connectors is for the GPS antenna... I'm not sure about the 4th, off hand, 
> but you definitely only need a dual polarity antenna. 
> 
> On Apr 30, 2017 6:09 PM, "Jason McKemie"  
> wrote:
> So, I bit the bullet and bought a starter kit.  I haven't picked up a sector 
> antenna as of yet though.  The base station appears to have 4 N connectors, 
> but the antennas are all standard dual-pol.  Are there just two unused 
> connectors, or am I looking at the wrong antennas?
> 
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 7:01 PM, David  wrote:
>> "Bridge Mode" is not actual layer 2 mode. It tunnels DHCP traffic and 
>> perhaps other traffic between the CPE and the Base stating data interface so 
>> that you can use Powercode or something similar to hand out addresses. I set 
>> it up, and it works for DHCP just fine. The device you plug into the CPE 
>> still gets an EPC  ip address (the EPC is the cloud management server or it 
>> can also run on your own server, it is required and tunnels to the base 
>> station).
>> 
>> They are making lots of progress, and if they follow through with new LTE 
>> revisions, this may very well may be the next new thing. Right now, its a 
>> work in progress, but works to sell internet for residential customers and 
>> we are happy with it for our needs.
>> 
>> We power them with a Netonix, off of a POE port. Works great. Just set the 
>> port to 48VH (only the first port on a WS-8-150, or only the first 4 ports 
>> on a WS-12-250 up to Revision F, and only the first 2 ports on WS-12-250 
>> after revision F) and connect orange and blue pairs to POSITIVE and green 
>> and brown pairs to NEGATIVE. You eat up one port on your Netonix if you have 
>> a small one, since you still have to connect the data cable of course (data 
>> port is labeled "WAN" port on the outside).
>> 
>> Hope that helps someone experimenting. There are quite a few tweaks we had 
>> to do to make them work. Plan on 2 to 4 days of messing with it. Support is 
>> responsive.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>> Eventually there will be a 1/dollar per month fee per user for the Cloud 
>>> EPC. They are working on a local EPC option but it's not ironed out yet. 
>>> The monthly user fee is not being charged yet as far as I know.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
 On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:
 Are there any hidden fees
 
 like monthly, cpe based, AP based, number of users?
 
 Core controller?
 
 Thanks
 
 
> On 04/28/2017 02:59 PM, Jerry Head wrote:
> True.
> 
> 
>> On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>> Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that there's 
>> actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - the eNB 
>> does come with the power connector, which can easily be put on cable of 
>> the appropriate type.
>> 
>> You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head  
>> wrote:
>>> You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:
 Hi Jason,
 
 Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for 
 the AP itself.
 
 The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3 routing, 
 l2 bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp, and 
 comprehensive management are still very much works in progress. The 
 cloud EPC also tends to have issues and goes down randomly. They are 
 bringing up more instances in Microsoft's azure cloud and altering 
 some of the ways the tunnel works they said recently. 
 
 
 Timothy Alexander
 Amplex Internet
 E-mail: t...@amplex.net
 Office: 419-837-5015
 Mailing Address:
 22690 Pemberville Rd
 Luckey, OH 43443
 On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
 -- 
 Mitch Koep
 
 A Better Wireless
 218-851-8689 cell
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> David Kunat
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[David Kunat]

There are only two antenna connectors. The third is for Gps, and the fourth is 
for a spectrum analyzer, but that function does not exist in software.

> On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> So, I bit the bullet and bought a starter kit.  I haven't picked up a sector 
> antenna as of yet though.  The base station appears to have 4 N connectors, 
> but the antennas are all standard dual-pol.  Are there just two unused 
> connectors, or am I looking at the wrong antennas?
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 7:01 PM, David  wrote:
>> "Bridge Mode" is not actual layer 2 mode. It tunnels DHCP traffic and 
>> perhaps other traffic between the CPE and the Base stating data interface so 
>> that you can use Powercode or something similar to hand out addresses. I set 
>> it up, and it works for DHCP just fine. The device you plug into the CPE 
>> still gets an EPC  ip address (the EPC is the cloud management server or it 
>> can also run on your own server, it is required and tunnels to the base 
>> station).
>> 
>> They are making lots of progress, and if they follow through with new LTE 
>> revisions, this may very well may be the next new thing. Right now, its a 
>> work in progress, but works to sell internet for residential customers and 
>> we are happy with it for our needs.
>> 
>> We power them with a Netonix, off of a POE port. Works great. Just set the 
>> port to 48VH (only the first port on a WS-8-150, or only the first 4 ports 
>> on a WS-12-250 up to Revision F, and only the first 2 ports on WS-12-250 
>> after revision F) and connect orange and blue pairs to POSITIVE and green 
>> and brown pairs to NEGATIVE. You eat up one port on your Netonix if you have 
>> a small one, since you still have to connect the data cable of course (data 
>> port is labeled "WAN" port on the outside).
>> 
>> Hope that helps someone experimenting. There are quite a few tweaks we had 
>> to do to make them work. Plan on 2 to 4 days of messing with it. Support is 
>> responsive.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>> Eventually there will be a 1/dollar per month fee per user for the Cloud 
>>> EPC. They are working on a local EPC option but it's not ironed out yet. 
>>> The monthly user fee is not being charged yet as far as I know.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
 On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:
 Are there any hidden fees
 
 like monthly, cpe based, AP based, number of users?
 
 Core controller?
 
 Thanks
 
 
> On 04/28/2017 02:59 PM, Jerry Head wrote:
> True.
> 
> 
>> On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>> Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that there's 
>> actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - the eNB 
>> does come with the power connector, which can easily be put on cable of 
>> the appropriate type.
>> 
>> You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head  
>> wrote:
>>> You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:
 Hi Jason,
 
 Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for 
 the AP itself.
 
 The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3 routing, 
 l2 bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp, and 
 comprehensive management are still very much works in progress. The 
 cloud EPC also tends to have issues and goes down randomly. They are 
 bringing up more instances in Microsoft's azure cloud and altering 
 some of the ways the tunnel works they said recently. 
 
 
 Timothy Alexander
 Amplex Internet
 E-mail: t...@amplex.net
 Office: 419-837-5015
 Mailing Address:
 22690 Pemberville Rd
 Luckey, OH 43443
 On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
 -- 
 Mitch Koep
 
 A Better Wireless
 218-851-8689 cell
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> David Kunat
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Jason McKemie]

Gotcha, thanks.

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> There are only two antenna connectors on the base station. One of the N
> connectors is for the GPS antenna... I'm not sure about the 4th, off hand,
> but you definitely only need a dual polarity antenna.
>
> On Apr 30, 2017 6:09 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
> So, I bit the bullet and bought a starter kit.  I haven't picked up a
> sector antenna as of yet though.  The base station appears to have 4 N
> connectors, but the antennas are all standard dual-pol.  Are there just two
> unused connectors, or am I looking at the wrong antennas?
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 7:01 PM, David  wrote:
>
>> "Bridge Mode" is not actual layer 2 mode. It tunnels DHCP traffic and
>> perhaps other traffic between the CPE and the Base stating data interface
>> so that you can use Powercode or something similar to hand out addresses. I
>> set it up, and it works for DHCP just fine. The device you plug into the
>> CPE still gets an EPC  ip address (the EPC is the cloud management server
>> or it can also run on your own server, it is required and tunnels to the
>> base station).
>>
>> They are making lots of progress, and if they follow through with new LTE
>> revisions, this may very well may be the next new thing. Right now, its a
>> work in progress, but works to sell internet for residential customers and
>> we are happy with it for our needs.
>>
>> We power them with a Netonix, off of a POE port. Works great. Just set
>> the port to 48VH (only the first port on a WS-8-150, or only the first 4
>> ports on a WS-12-250 up to Revision F, and only the first 2 ports on
>> WS-12-250 after revision F) and connect orange and blue pairs to POSITIVE
>> and green and brown pairs to NEGATIVE. You eat up one port on your
>> Netonix if you have a small one, since you still have to connect the data
>> cable of course (data port is labeled "WAN" port on the outside).
>>
>> Hope that helps someone experimenting. There are quite a few tweaks we
>> had to do to make them work. Plan on 2 to 4 days of messing with it.
>> Support is responsive.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>
>>> Eventually there will be a 1/dollar per month fee per user for the Cloud
>>> EPC. They are working on a local EPC option but it's not ironed out yet.
>>> The monthly user fee is not being charged yet as far as I know.
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:
>>>
 Are there any hidden fees

 like monthly, cpe based, AP based, number of users?

 Core controller?

 Thanks



 On 04/28/2017 02:59 PM, Jerry Head wrote:

 True.


 On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that there's
 actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - the eNB does
 come with the power connector, which can easily be put on cable of the
 appropriate type.

 You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.

 On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head 
 wrote:

> You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.
>
>
> On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for
> the AP itself.
>
> The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3 routing,
> l2 bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp, and comprehensive
> management are still very much works in progress. The cloud EPC also tends
> to have issues and goes down randomly. They are bringing up more instances
> in Microsoft's azure cloud and altering some of the ways the tunnel works
> they said recently.
>
>
> *Timothy Alexander*
> *Amplex Internet*
> E-mail: t...@amplex.net
> Office: 419-837-5015 <%28419%29%20837-5015>
> Mailing Address:
> 22690 Pemberville Rd
> Luckey, OH 43443
> On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>
>


 --
 Mitch Koep

 A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell


>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Kunat
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Mathew Howard]

There are only two antenna connectors on the base station. One of the N
connectors is for the GPS antenna... I'm not sure about the 4th, off hand,
but you definitely only need a dual polarity antenna.

On Apr 30, 2017 6:09 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

So, I bit the bullet and bought a starter kit.  I haven't picked up a
sector antenna as of yet though.  The base station appears to have 4 N
connectors, but the antennas are all standard dual-pol.  Are there just two
unused connectors, or am I looking at the wrong antennas?

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 7:01 PM, David  wrote:

> "Bridge Mode" is not actual layer 2 mode. It tunnels DHCP traffic and
> perhaps other traffic between the CPE and the Base stating data interface
> so that you can use Powercode or something similar to hand out addresses. I
> set it up, and it works for DHCP just fine. The device you plug into the
> CPE still gets an EPC  ip address (the EPC is the cloud management server
> or it can also run on your own server, it is required and tunnels to the
> base station).
>
> They are making lots of progress, and if they follow through with new LTE
> revisions, this may very well may be the next new thing. Right now, its a
> work in progress, but works to sell internet for residential customers and
> we are happy with it for our needs.
>
> We power them with a Netonix, off of a POE port. Works great. Just set the
> port to 48VH (only the first port on a WS-8-150, or only the first 4 ports
> on a WS-12-250 up to Revision F, and only the first 2 ports on WS-12-250
> after revision F) and connect orange and blue pairs to POSITIVE and green
> and brown pairs to NEGATIVE. You eat up one port on your Netonix if you
> have a small one, since you still have to connect the data cable of course
> (data port is labeled "WAN" port on the outside).
>
> Hope that helps someone experimenting. There are quite a few tweaks we had
> to do to make them work. Plan on 2 to 4 days of messing with it. Support is
> responsive.
>
> David
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> Eventually there will be a 1/dollar per month fee per user for the Cloud
>> EPC. They are working on a local EPC option but it's not ironed out yet.
>> The monthly user fee is not being charged yet as far as I know.
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:
>>
>>> Are there any hidden fees
>>>
>>> like monthly, cpe based, AP based, number of users?
>>>
>>> Core controller?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/28/2017 02:59 PM, Jerry Head wrote:
>>>
>>> True.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that there's
>>> actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - the eNB does
>>> come with the power connector, which can easily be put on cable of the
>>> appropriate type.
>>>
>>> You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.


 On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:

 Hi Jason,

 Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for
 the AP itself.

 The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3 routing, l2
 bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp, and comprehensive
 management are still very much works in progress. The cloud EPC also tends
 to have issues and goes down randomly. They are bringing up more instances
 in Microsoft's azure cloud and altering some of the ways the tunnel works
 they said recently.


 *Timothy Alexander*
 *Amplex Internet*
 E-mail: t...@amplex.net
 Office: 419-837-5015 <%28419%29%20837-5015>
 Mailing Address:
 22690 Pemberville Rd
 Luckey, OH 43443
 On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:



>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mitch Koep
>>>
>>> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> David Kunat
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Jason McKemie]

So, I bit the bullet and bought a starter kit.  I haven't picked up a
sector antenna as of yet though.  The base station appears to have 4 N
connectors, but the antennas are all standard dual-pol.  Are there just two
unused connectors, or am I looking at the wrong antennas?

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 7:01 PM, David  wrote:

> "Bridge Mode" is not actual layer 2 mode. It tunnels DHCP traffic and
> perhaps other traffic between the CPE and the Base stating data interface
> so that you can use Powercode or something similar to hand out addresses. I
> set it up, and it works for DHCP just fine. The device you plug into the
> CPE still gets an EPC  ip address (the EPC is the cloud management server
> or it can also run on your own server, it is required and tunnels to the
> base station).
>
> They are making lots of progress, and if they follow through with new LTE
> revisions, this may very well may be the next new thing. Right now, its a
> work in progress, but works to sell internet for residential customers and
> we are happy with it for our needs.
>
> We power them with a Netonix, off of a POE port. Works great. Just set the
> port to 48VH (only the first port on a WS-8-150, or only the first 4 ports
> on a WS-12-250 up to Revision F, and only the first 2 ports on WS-12-250
> after revision F) and connect orange and blue pairs to POSITIVE and green
> and brown pairs to NEGATIVE. You eat up one port on your Netonix if you
> have a small one, since you still have to connect the data cable of course
> (data port is labeled "WAN" port on the outside).
>
> Hope that helps someone experimenting. There are quite a few tweaks we had
> to do to make them work. Plan on 2 to 4 days of messing with it. Support is
> responsive.
>
> David
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> Eventually there will be a 1/dollar per month fee per user for the Cloud
>> EPC. They are working on a local EPC option but it's not ironed out yet.
>> The monthly user fee is not being charged yet as far as I know.
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:
>>
>>> Are there any hidden fees
>>>
>>> like monthly, cpe based, AP based, number of users?
>>>
>>> Core controller?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/28/2017 02:59 PM, Jerry Head wrote:
>>>
>>> True.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that there's
>>> actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - the eNB does
>>> come with the power connector, which can easily be put on cable of the
>>> appropriate type.
>>>
>>> You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.


 On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:

 Hi Jason,

 Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for
 the AP itself.

 The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3 routing, l2
 bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp, and comprehensive
 management are still very much works in progress. The cloud EPC also tends
 to have issues and goes down randomly. They are bringing up more instances
 in Microsoft's azure cloud and altering some of the ways the tunnel works
 they said recently.


 *Timothy Alexander*
 *Amplex Internet*
 E-mail: t...@amplex.net
 Office: 419-837-5015 <%28419%29%20837-5015>
 Mailing Address:
 22690 Pemberville Rd
 Luckey, OH 43443
 On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:



>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mitch Koep
>>>
>>> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> David Kunat
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Mitch Koep]

Dave

This won't be another Runcom??

Mitch


On 04/29/2017 07:01 PM, David wrote:
"Bridge Mode" is not actual layer 2 mode. It tunnels DHCP traffic and 
perhaps other traffic between the CPE and the Base stating data 
interface so that you can use Powercode or something similar to hand 
out addresses. I set it up, and it works for DHCP just fine. The 
device you plug into the CPE still gets an EPC  ip address (the EPC is 
the cloud management server or it can also run on your own server, it 
is required and tunnels to the base station).


They are making lots of progress, and if they follow through with new 
LTE revisions, this may very well may be the next new thing. Right 
now, its a work in progress, but works to sell internet for 
residential customers and we are happy with it for our needs.


We power them with a Netonix, off of a POE port. Works great. Just set 
the port to 48VH (only the first port on a WS-8-150, or only the first 
4 ports on a WS-12-250 up to Revision F, and only the first 2 ports on 
WS-12-250 after revision F) and connect orange and blue pairs to 
POSITIVE and green and brown pairs to NEGATIVE. You eat up one port on 
your Netonix if you have a small one, since you still have to connect 
the data cable of course (data port is labeled "WAN" port on the outside).


Hope that helps someone experimenting. There are quite a few tweaks we 
had to do to make them work. Plan on 2 to 4 days of messing with it. 
Support is responsive.


David

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Joe Novak > wrote:


Eventually there will be a 1/dollar per month fee per user for the
Cloud EPC. They are working on a local EPC option but it's not
ironed out yet. The monthly user fee is not being charged yet as
far as I know.


Joe

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mitch Koep > wrote:

Are there any hidden fees

like monthly, cpe based, AP based, number of users?

Core controller?

Thanks



On 04/28/2017 02:59 PM, Jerry Head wrote:

True.


On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was
that there's actually no reason you need to use the Baicells
power cable - the eNB does come with the power connector,
which can easily be put on cable of the appropriate type.

You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head
> wrote:

You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.


On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:

Hi Jason,

Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need
an antenna for the AP itself.

The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting,
proper l3 routing, l2 bridging (or what passes for it
in LTE world), snmp, and comprehensive management are
still very much works in progress. The cloud EPC also
tends to have issues and goes down randomly. They are
bringing up more instances in Microsoft's azure cloud
and altering some of the ways the tunnel works they
said recently.


*/Timothy Alexander/*
*Amplex Internet*
E-mail: t...@amplex.net 
Office: 419-837-5015 
Mailing Address:
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:








-- 
Mitch Koep


A Better Wireless
218-851-8689   cell





--
David Kunat


--
Mitch Koep

A Better Wireless
218-851-8689 cell

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[David]

"Bridge Mode" is not actual layer 2 mode. It tunnels DHCP traffic and
perhaps other traffic between the CPE and the Base stating data interface
so that you can use Powercode or something similar to hand out addresses. I
set it up, and it works for DHCP just fine. The device you plug into the
CPE still gets an EPC  ip address (the EPC is the cloud management server
or it can also run on your own server, it is required and tunnels to the
base station).

They are making lots of progress, and if they follow through with new LTE
revisions, this may very well may be the next new thing. Right now, its a
work in progress, but works to sell internet for residential customers and
we are happy with it for our needs.

We power them with a Netonix, off of a POE port. Works great. Just set the
port to 48VH (only the first port on a WS-8-150, or only the first 4 ports
on a WS-12-250 up to Revision F, and only the first 2 ports on WS-12-250
after revision F) and connect orange and blue pairs to POSITIVE and green
and brown pairs to NEGATIVE. You eat up one port on your Netonix if you
have a small one, since you still have to connect the data cable of course
(data port is labeled "WAN" port on the outside).

Hope that helps someone experimenting. There are quite a few tweaks we had
to do to make them work. Plan on 2 to 4 days of messing with it. Support is
responsive.

David

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> Eventually there will be a 1/dollar per month fee per user for the Cloud
> EPC. They are working on a local EPC option but it's not ironed out yet.
> The monthly user fee is not being charged yet as far as I know.
>
>
> Joe
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:
>
>> Are there any hidden fees
>>
>> like monthly, cpe based, AP based, number of users?
>>
>> Core controller?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/28/2017 02:59 PM, Jerry Head wrote:
>>
>> True.
>>
>>
>> On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that there's
>> actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - the eNB does
>> come with the power connector, which can easily be put on cable of the
>> appropriate type.
>>
>> You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jason,
>>>
>>> Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for the
>>> AP itself.
>>>
>>> The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3 routing, l2
>>> bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp, and comprehensive
>>> management are still very much works in progress. The cloud EPC also tends
>>> to have issues and goes down randomly. They are bringing up more instances
>>> in Microsoft's azure cloud and altering some of the ways the tunnel works
>>> they said recently.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Timothy Alexander*
>>> *Amplex Internet*
>>> E-mail: t...@amplex.net
>>> Office: 419-837-5015 <%28419%29%20837-5015>
>>> Mailing Address:
>>> 22690 Pemberville Rd
>>> Luckey, OH 43443
>>> On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mitch Koep
>>
>> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>>
>>
>


-- 
David Kunat

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Joe Novak]

Eventually there will be a 1/dollar per month fee per user for the Cloud
EPC. They are working on a local EPC option but it's not ironed out yet.
The monthly user fee is not being charged yet as far as I know.


Joe

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:

> Are there any hidden fees
>
> like monthly, cpe based, AP based, number of users?
>
> Core controller?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On 04/28/2017 02:59 PM, Jerry Head wrote:
>
> True.
>
>
> On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that there's
> actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - the eNB does
> come with the power connector, which can easily be put on cable of the
> appropriate type.
>
> You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head 
> wrote:
>
>> You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.
>>
>>
>> On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for the
>> AP itself.
>>
>> The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3 routing, l2
>> bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp, and comprehensive
>> management are still very much works in progress. The cloud EPC also tends
>> to have issues and goes down randomly. They are bringing up more instances
>> in Microsoft's azure cloud and altering some of the ways the tunnel works
>> they said recently.
>>
>>
>> *Timothy Alexander*
>> *Amplex Internet*
>> E-mail: t...@amplex.net
>> Office: 419-837-5015 <%28419%29%20837-5015>
>> Mailing Address:
>> 22690 Pemberville Rd
>> Luckey, OH 43443
>> On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Mitch Koep
>
> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Mitch Koep]

Are there any hidden fees

like monthly, cpe based, AP based, number of users?

Core controller?

Thanks



On 04/28/2017 02:59 PM, Jerry Head wrote:

True.


On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that 
there's actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - 
the eNB does come with the power connector, which can easily be put 
on cable of the appropriate type.


You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head 
> wrote:


You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.


On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:

Hi Jason,

Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna
for the AP itself.

The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3
routing, l2 bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp,
and comprehensive management are still very much works in
progress. The cloud EPC also tends to have issues and goes down
randomly. They are bringing up more instances in Microsoft's
azure cloud and altering some of the ways the tunnel works they
said recently.


*/Timothy Alexander/*
*Amplex Internet*
E-mail: t...@amplex.net 
Office: 419-837-5015 
Mailing Address:
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:








--
Mitch Koep

A Better Wireless
218-851-8689 cell

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Jerry Head]

True.


On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that 
there's actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - 
the eNB does come with the power connector, which can easily be put on 
cable of the appropriate type.


You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head > wrote:


You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.


On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:

Hi Jason,

Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna
for the AP itself.

The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3
routing, l2 bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp,
and comprehensive management are still very much works in
progress. The cloud EPC also tends to have issues and goes down
randomly. They are bringing up more instances in Microsoft's
azure cloud and altering some of the ways the tunnel works they
said recently.


*/Timothy Alexander/*
*Amplex Internet*
E-mail: t...@amplex.net 
Office: 419-837-5015 
Mailing Address:
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that there's
actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - the eNB does
come with the power connector, which can easily be put on cable of the
appropriate type.

You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head 
wrote:

> You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.
>
>
> On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for the
> AP itself.
>
> The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3 routing, l2
> bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp, and comprehensive
> management are still very much works in progress. The cloud EPC also tends
> to have issues and goes down randomly. They are bringing up more instances
> in Microsoft's azure cloud and altering some of the ways the tunnel works
> they said recently.
>
>
> *Timothy Alexander*
> *Amplex Internet*
> E-mail: t...@amplex.net
> Office: 419-837-5015 <(419)%20837-5015>
> Mailing Address:
> 22690 Pemberville Rd
> Luckey, OH 43443
> On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Jerry Head]

You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.

On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:

Hi Jason,

Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for 
the AP itself.


The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3 routing, 
l2 bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp, and 
comprehensive management are still very much works in progress. The 
cloud EPC also tends to have issues and goes down randomly. They are 
bringing up more instances in Microsoft's azure cloud and altering 
some of the ways the tunnel works they said recently.



*/Timothy Alexander/*
*Amplex Internet*
E-mail: t...@amplex.net
Office: 419-837-5015
Mailing Address:
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Tim Alexander]

Hi Jason,

Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for the 
AP itself.


The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3 routing, l2 
bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp, and comprehensive 
management are still very much works in progress. The cloud EPC also 
tends to have issues and goes down randomly. They are bringing up more 
instances in Microsoft's azure cloud and altering some of the ways the 
tunnel works they said recently.



*/Timothy Alexander/*
*Amplex Internet*
E-mail: t...@amplex.net
Office: 419-837-5015
Mailing Address:
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Mathew Howard]

If you want to try it, I would highly recommend ordering a starter kit
today... they have a pretty nice deal, which I think only runs until April
30th. It will get you an eNB and three UE... and yes, that's all you need
to get it running.

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> 10W isn't legal in the US.
>
> Bridge mode is upcoming, it's in beta right now I think.
>
> Just buy an eNB (AP) to put on the tower and some UE (CPE) for customers.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I've got a couple of questions for those of you using this gear -
>>
>> Is there anything besides the base station necessary to run this or is it
>> standalone?
>>
>> Is there a bridge mode?
>>
>> Any reason to the the 10W BS vs the 1W? There is a pretty big price
>> difference.
>>
>>
>> 
>>  Virus-free.
>> www.avast.com
>> 
>> <#m_2895921494147390354_m_4813121452742415912_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Josh Luthman]

10W isn't legal in the US.

Bridge mode is upcoming, it's in beta right now I think.

Just buy an eNB (AP) to put on the tower and some UE (CPE) for customers.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I've got a couple of questions for those of you using this gear -
>
> Is there anything besides the base station necessary to run this or is it
> standalone?
>
> Is there a bridge mode?
>
> Any reason to the the 10W BS vs the 1W? There is a pretty big price
> difference.
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> 
> <#m_4813121452742415912_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>

[AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Jason McKemie]

I've got a couple of questions for those of you using this gear -

Is there anything besides the base station necessary to run this or is it
standalone?

Is there a bridge mode?

Any reason to the the 10W BS vs the 1W? There is a pretty big price
difference.


Virus-free.
www.avast.com

<#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65 versus 900 450i

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

uh oh

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Corson 
wrote:

> All,
>
> Reviewing info on Baicells it seems like a good argument to compare
> the two platforms. Before we invest in more 450i equipment I wanted to
> get the take on Baicells LTE 3.65 gear.
>
> The LTE is higher in capacity versus the 900 and
> in some instances it seems like 3.65 is doing well in NLOS
> environments - can someone confirm this is indeed the 3.65 and not
> just the 2.5 doing well in nLOS or NLOS.
>
>
> Would love anyone who is using Baicells to express their input.
> Doesn't seem like I've found a whole lot on the list about real world
> results.
>
> Thanks
>
> Josh Corson
>
> BlueBit Networks
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Baicells 3.65 versus 900 450i

[Josh Corson]

All,

Reviewing info on Baicells it seems like a good argument to compare
the two platforms. Before we invest in more 450i equipment I wanted to
get the take on Baicells LTE 3.65 gear.

The LTE is higher in capacity versus the 900 and
in some instances it seems like 3.65 is doing well in NLOS
environments - can someone confirm this is indeed the 3.65 and not
just the 2.5 doing well in nLOS or NLOS.


Would love anyone who is using Baicells to express their input.
Doesn't seem like I've found a whole lot on the list about real world
results.

Thanks

Josh Corson

BlueBit Networks

Sent from my iPhone