[AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

2017-04-10 Thread Sterling Jacobson 
I think I am ready to purchase a /21 IPv4.

What are some recent experiences with this on best broker/place/URL to buy and 
price per IP?

Is there any advantage in trying to do some sort of group buy on here with 
other ISPs?

Or is this something that is hard to break up within ARIN after auction because 
of transfer fees etc?

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

2017-04-10 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 4/10/17 12:58, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I think I am ready to purchase a /21 IPv4.

What are some recent experiences with this on best broker/place/URL to buy and 
price per IP?

Is there any advantage in trying to do some sort of group buy on here with 
other ISPs?

Or is this something that is hard to break up within ARIN after auction because 
of transfer fees etc?



There's a thread on ppml right now on someone who is asking about 
financing IP addresses.


"ARIN Accounts for Financing / Leasing IP"
http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2017-April/thread.html

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

2017-04-10 Thread Josh Luthman 
That's just about the finance aspect, though.

ipv4auctions seems to be the place everyone recommends, buy it there and
get ARIN's blessing.  A group buy, to me, seems like WAY more hassle than
saving a few bucks.


Josh Luthman
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On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 4/10/17 12:58, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>
>> I think I am ready to purchase a /21 IPv4.
>>
>> What are some recent experiences with this on best broker/place/URL to
>> buy and price per IP?
>>
>> Is there any advantage in trying to do some sort of group buy on here
>> with other ISPs?
>>
>> Or is this something that is hard to break up within ARIN after auction
>> because of transfer fees etc?
>>
>>
> There's a thread on ppml right now on someone who is asking about
> financing IP addresses.
>
> "ARIN Accounts for Financing / Leasing IP"
> http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2017-April/thread.html
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

2017-04-10 Thread Josh Reynolds 
You will have to get approval from ARIN first.

A /21 will run you about $25,000 after transfer fees.

On Apr 10, 2017 2:59 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> I think I am ready to purchase a /21 IPv4.
>
> What are some recent experiences with this on best broker/place/URL to buy
> and price per IP?
>
> Is there any advantage in trying to do some sort of group buy on here with
> other ISPs?
>
> Or is this something that is hard to break up within ARIN after auction
> because of transfer fees etc?
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

2017-04-10 Thread Jason McKemie 
I bought a smaller amount of IP space via ipv4auctions.com

After looking around a bit, they were the best deal that I could find.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I think I am ready to purchase a /21 IPv4.
>
> What are some recent experiences with this on best broker/place/URL to buy
> and price per IP?
>
> Is there any advantage in trying to do some sort of group buy on here with
> other ISPs?
>
> Or is this something that is hard to break up within ARIN after auction
> because of transfer fees etc?
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

2017-04-10 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 4/10/17 14:02, Josh Luthman wrote:

That's just about the finance aspect, though.

ipv4auctions seems to be the place everyone recommends, buy it there and
get ARIN's blessing.  A group buy, to me, seems like WAY more hassle
than saving a few bucks.



Similar concepts apply though regarding the ownership and justification 
aspects if you want to try to do a group buy. You can't just divide it 
up in the parking lot between orgs.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

2017-04-10 Thread Eric Kuhnke 
You would have to have one org "own" the block and lease it out to third
parties, same general idea as a large scale hosting/colocation/virtual
server company that might give a /26 or a /25 to a medium sized customer,
with service contract and LOA. In this case all of the smaller pieces of
the block would logically be customers of the owner of the block.



On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 4/10/17 14:02, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> That's just about the finance aspect, though.
>>
>> ipv4auctions seems to be the place everyone recommends, buy it there and
>> get ARIN's blessing.  A group buy, to me, seems like WAY more hassle
>> than saving a few bucks.
>>
>
>
> Similar concepts apply though regarding the ownership and justification
> aspects if you want to try to do a group buy. You can't just divide it up
> in the parking lot between orgs.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

2017-04-10 Thread Justin Wilson 
We are doing tunnels to give customers IPs who can’t justify or afford a full 
/24.  Since a /24 is the smallest you can really advertise swipping someone a 
/25 or smaller that is not directly connected to your network does you no good. 
 A group buy tends to be a very painful process.

ARIN has policies and time limits for transfers and such.  I believe you can’t 
do anything with a block until 30 days after you have it transferred to you.  
Even then there are restrictions.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Apr 10, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> 
> You would have to have one org "own" the block and lease it out to third 
> parties, same general idea as a large scale hosting/colocation/virtual server 
> company that might give a /26 or a /25 to a medium sized customer, with 
> service contract and LOA. In this case all of the smaller pieces of the block 
> would logically be customers of the owner of the block.
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Seth Mattinen  > wrote:
> On 4/10/17 14:02, Josh Luthman wrote:
> That's just about the finance aspect, though.
> 
> ipv4auctions seems to be the place everyone recommends, buy it there and
> get ARIN's blessing.  A group buy, to me, seems like WAY more hassle
> than saving a few bucks.
> 
> 
> Similar concepts apply though regarding the ownership and justification 
> aspects if you want to try to do a group buy. You can't just divide it up in 
> the parking lot between orgs.
> 
> ~Seth
>