Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-21 Thread David Milholen 
Thats exactly what I want our competition to do.. its good for the 
little guy to pick up a few scraps and possibly some of the best


accounts.

We have let customers go because they thought the grass was greener and 
when they get a little humble after 6 months they come home.





On 5/21/2016 9:01 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
That Net Neutrality fine was the best thing that happened to them, it 
established they could lie as much as they wanted about “unlimited” as 
long as they were “transparent” about their lies.
Just like the CAN SPAM Act was good for spammers because it 
established the boundaries for legal spamming.
AT&T will tell you that unlimited means 22 GB, or that 4 people can 
share a 10 GB data plan, and people will believe it because they have 
no idea what a gigabyte is.
Welcome to Carl’s Jr., would you like to try our extra big-ass taco, 
now with more molecules!  Brawndo’s got what plants crave, it’s got 
electrolytes!

*From:* Chuck Hogg <mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2016 8:20 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime
AT&T is building towers here like crazy after being deregulated from 
having to provide copper service here.  They are installing the home 
fusion type boxes too.  Unlimited Internet in their docs say "22GB".

Regards,
Chuck
On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 11:18 AM, David <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:


That was my guess as well..
It says they are participating in the CAF not being supported by it.
Arkansas along with a few other south east region states are
considered very rural.




On 05/20/2016 09:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

No detail there.  I don’t know how, unless they are doing one of
the experimental CAF projects like Rise/JAB is doing.
*From:* David <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>
*Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2016 8:35 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime
They discussed it in here

http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897




On 05/20/2016 08:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

How are they using CAF?
*From:* David <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>
*Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2016 7:32 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime
Yeah,
I faintly remember that discussion. Not all its cut out to be.
It just gives more fodder to the FCC for better coverage to ATT
so that they can buy some time to block other incumbents for a
chance at some subsidy moneys.
They are using the CAF to do this with.



On 05/17/2016 03:10 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Verizon has, or had, an LTE fixed solution a few years ago. I
am pretty sure it was depply discussed on this list. It was UBB
at around 10G for $100 if memory serves. ATT will likely try to
be in the same ballpark.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:54 PM David mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:

Thanks guys, now I know my conscience wasnt lying to me :)



On 05/17/2016 02:50 PM, George Skorup wrote:

"unlimited" to a big ISP/cellco means throttling after
some finite cap. They are greedy shitbags.

On 5/17/2016 2:32 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Since it will likely be licensed, it is unlikely to be
unlimited IMO.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Very curious to see what their pricing is going to be
on fixed and weather or not its UBB or unlimited.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

Verizon did the same thing around here several
years ago with similar results.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

They tried wireless in Dallas called Project
Angel long time ago. Didn't work out

On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"
mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:

On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:

Looks like ATT now wants to be a
WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a Satellite
provider all rolled up into one.


http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897


Jack of all trades, master of none.

~Seth









--

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-21 Thread Ken Hohhof 
That Net Neutrality fine was the best thing that happened to them, it 
established they could lie as much as they wanted about “unlimited” as long as 
they were “transparent” about their lies.

Just like the CAN SPAM Act was good for spammers because it established the 
boundaries for legal spamming.

AT&T will tell you that unlimited means 22 GB, or that 4 people can share a 10 
GB data plan, and people will believe it because they have no idea what a 
gigabyte is.

Welcome to Carl’s Jr., would you like to try our extra big-ass taco, now with 
more molecules!  Brawndo’s got what plants crave, it’s got electrolytes!


From: Chuck Hogg 
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 8:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

AT&T is building towers here like crazy after being deregulated from having to 
provide copper service here.  They are installing the home fusion type boxes 
too.  Unlimited Internet in their docs say "22GB".

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 11:18 AM, David  wrote:

  That was my guess as well.. 
  It says they are participating in the CAF not being supported by it.
  Arkansas along with a few other south east region states are considered very 
rural. 





  On 05/20/2016 09:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

No detail there.  I don’t know how, unless they are doing one of the 
experimental CAF projects like Rise/JAB is doing.  

From: David 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

They discussed it in here

http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897
 




On 05/20/2016 08:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  How are they using CAF?

  From: David 
  Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 7:32 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

  Yeah,
  I faintly remember that discussion. Not all its cut out to be.
  It just gives more fodder to the FCC for better coverage to ATT so that 
they can buy some time to block other incumbents for a chance at some subsidy 
moneys.
  They are using the CAF to do this with.

   


  On 05/17/2016 03:10 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Verizon has, or had, an LTE fixed solution a few years ago. I am pretty 
sure it was depply discussed on this list. It was UBB at around 10G for $100 if 
memory serves. ATT will likely try to be in the same ballpark.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:54 PM David  wrote:

  Thanks guys, now I know my conscience wasnt lying to me :)




  On 05/17/2016 02:50 PM, George Skorup wrote:

"unlimited" to a big ISP/cellco means throttling after some finite 
cap. They are greedy shitbags.


On 5/17/2016 2:32 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  Since it will likely be licensed, it is unlikely to be unlimited 
IMO.
  On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:

Very curious to see what their pricing is going to be on fixed 
and weather or not its UBB or unlimited. 
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  Verizon did the same thing around here several years ago with 
similar results.

  On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel long 
time ago.  Didn't work out 

On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen" 
 wrote:

  On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:

Looks like ATT now wants to be a 
WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a Satellite
provider all rolled up into one.


http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897



  Jack of all trades, master of none.

  ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-21 Thread timothy steele 
You have to have direct TV they also throttle you way down after 22GB

On Sat, May 21, 2016, 9:20 AM Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> AT&T is building towers here like crazy after being deregulated from
> having to provide copper service here.  They are installing the home fusion
> type boxes too.  Unlimited Internet in their docs say "22GB".
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 11:18 AM, David  wrote:
>
>> That was my guess as well..
>> It says they are participating in the CAF not being supported by it.
>> Arkansas along with a few other south east region states are considered
>> very rural.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/20/2016 09:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> No detail there.  I don’t know how, unless they are doing one of the
>> experimental CAF projects like Rise/JAB is doing.
>>
>> *From:* David 
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2016 8:35 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime
>>
>> They discussed it in here
>>
>> http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/20/2016 08:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> How are they using CAF?
>>
>> *From:* David 
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2016 7:32 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime
>>
>> Yeah,
>> I faintly remember that discussion. Not all its cut out to be.
>> It just gives more fodder to the FCC for better coverage to ATT so that
>> they can buy some time to block other incumbents for a chance at some
>> subsidy moneys.
>> They are using the CAF to do this with.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/17/2016 03:10 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> Verizon has, or had, an LTE fixed solution a few years ago. I am pretty
>> sure it was depply discussed on this list. It was UBB at around 10G for
>> $100 if memory serves. ATT will likely try to be in the same ballpark.
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:54 PM David  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks guys, now I know my conscience wasnt lying to me :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/17/2016 02:50 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>
>>> "unlimited" to a big ISP/cellco means throttling after some finite cap.
>>> They are greedy shitbags.
>>>
>>> On 5/17/2016 2:32 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> Since it will likely be licensed, it is unlikely to be unlimited IMO.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Very curious to see what their pricing is going to be on fixed and
>>>> weather or not its UBB or unlimited.
>>>>
>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Verizon did the same thing around here several years ago with similar
>>>>> results.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel long time ago.
>>>>>> Didn't work out
>>>>>> On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks like ATT now wants to be a WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a
>>>>>>>> Satellite
>>>>>>>> provider all rolled up into one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jack of all trades, master of none.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~Seth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-21 Thread Chuck Hogg 
AT&T is building towers here like crazy after being deregulated from having
to provide copper service here.  They are installing the home fusion type
boxes too.  Unlimited Internet in their docs say "22GB".

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 11:18 AM, David  wrote:

> That was my guess as well..
> It says they are participating in the CAF not being supported by it.
> Arkansas along with a few other south east region states are considered
> very rural.
>
>
>
>
> On 05/20/2016 09:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> No detail there.  I don’t know how, unless they are doing one of the
> experimental CAF projects like Rise/JAB is doing.
>
> *From:* David 
> *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2016 8:35 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime
>
> They discussed it in here
>
> http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897
>
>
>
> On 05/20/2016 08:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> How are they using CAF?
>
> *From:* David 
> *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2016 7:32 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime
>
> Yeah,
> I faintly remember that discussion. Not all its cut out to be.
> It just gives more fodder to the FCC for better coverage to ATT so that
> they can buy some time to block other incumbents for a chance at some
> subsidy moneys.
> They are using the CAF to do this with.
>
>
>
> On 05/17/2016 03:10 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Verizon has, or had, an LTE fixed solution a few years ago. I am pretty
> sure it was depply discussed on this list. It was UBB at around 10G for
> $100 if memory serves. ATT will likely try to be in the same ballpark.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:54 PM David  wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys, now I know my conscience wasnt lying to me :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/17/2016 02:50 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>
>> "unlimited" to a big ISP/cellco means throttling after some finite cap.
>> They are greedy shitbags.
>>
>> On 5/17/2016 2:32 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> Since it will likely be licensed, it is unlikely to be unlimited IMO.
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Very curious to see what their pricing is going to be on fixed and
>>> weather or not its UBB or unlimited.
>>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>> Verizon did the same thing around here several years ago with similar
>>>> results.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel long time ago.
>>>>> Didn't work out
>>>>> On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks like ATT now wants to be a WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a
>>>>>>> Satellite
>>>>>>> provider all rolled up into one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jack of all trades, master of none.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~Seth
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-20 Thread David 

That was my guess as well..
It says they are participating in the CAF not being supported by it.
Arkansas along with a few other south east region states are considered 
very rural.




On 05/20/2016 09:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
No detail there.  I don’t know how, unless they are doing one of the 
experimental CAF projects like Rise/JAB is doing.

*From:* David <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>
*Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2016 8:35 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime
They discussed it in here
http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897 





On 05/20/2016 08:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

How are they using CAF?
*From:* David <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>
*Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2016 7:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime
Yeah,
I faintly remember that discussion. Not all its cut out to be.
It just gives more fodder to the FCC for better coverage to ATT so 
that they can buy some time to block other incumbents for a chance at 
some subsidy moneys.

They are using the CAF to do this with.



On 05/17/2016 03:10 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Verizon has, or had, an LTE fixed solution a few years ago. I am 
pretty sure it was depply discussed on this list. It was UBB at 
around 10G for $100 if memory serves. ATT will likely try to be in 
the same ballpark.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:54 PM David <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:


Thanks guys, now I know my conscience wasnt lying to me :)



On 05/17/2016 02:50 PM, George Skorup wrote:

"unlimited" to a big ISP/cellco means throttling after some
finite cap. They are greedy shitbags.

On 5/17/2016 2:32 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Since it will likely be licensed, it is unlikely to be
unlimited IMO.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Very curious to see what their pricing is going to be on
fixed and weather or not its UBB or unlimited.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

Verizon did the same thing around here several years
ago with similar results.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel
long time ago. Didn't work out

On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"
mailto:se...@rollernet.us>>
wrote:

On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:

Looks like ATT now wants to be a
WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a Satellite
provider all rolled up into one.


http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897


Jack of all trades, master of none.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-20 Thread Chuck McCown 
No detail there.  I don’t know how, unless they are doing one of the 
experimental CAF projects like Rise/JAB is doing.  

From: David 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

They discussed it in here
http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897
 




On 05/20/2016 08:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  How are they using CAF?

  From: David 
  Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 7:32 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

  Yeah,
  I faintly remember that discussion. Not all its cut out to be.
  It just gives more fodder to the FCC for better coverage to ATT so that they 
can buy some time to block other incumbents for a chance at some subsidy moneys.
  They are using the CAF to do this with.

   


  On 05/17/2016 03:10 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Verizon has, or had, an LTE fixed solution a few years ago. I am pretty 
sure it was depply discussed on this list. It was UBB at around 10G for $100 if 
memory serves. ATT will likely try to be in the same ballpark.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:54 PM David  wrote:

  Thanks guys, now I know my conscience wasnt lying to me :)




  On 05/17/2016 02:50 PM, George Skorup wrote:

"unlimited" to a big ISP/cellco means throttling after some finite cap. 
They are greedy shitbags.


On 5/17/2016 2:32 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  Since it will likely be licensed, it is unlikely to be unlimited IMO.
  On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:

Very curious to see what their pricing is going to be on fixed and 
weather or not its UBB or unlimited. 
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  Verizon did the same thing around here several years ago with 
similar results.

  On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel long time 
ago.  Didn't work out 

On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  
wrote:

  On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:

Looks like ATT now wants to be a WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and 
a Satellite
provider all rolled up into one.


http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897



  Jack of all trades, master of none.

  ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-20 Thread David 

They discussed it in here
http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897 





On 05/20/2016 08:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

How are they using CAF?
*From:* David <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>
*Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2016 7:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime
Yeah,
I faintly remember that discussion. Not all its cut out to be.
It just gives more fodder to the FCC for better coverage to ATT so 
that they can buy some time to block other incumbents for a chance at 
some subsidy moneys.

They are using the CAF to do this with.



On 05/17/2016 03:10 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Verizon has, or had, an LTE fixed solution a few years ago. I am 
pretty sure it was depply discussed on this list. It was UBB at 
around 10G for $100 if memory serves. ATT will likely try to be in 
the same ballpark.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:54 PM David <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:


Thanks guys, now I know my conscience wasnt lying to me :)



On 05/17/2016 02:50 PM, George Skorup wrote:

"unlimited" to a big ISP/cellco means throttling after some
finite cap. They are greedy shitbags.

On 5/17/2016 2:32 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Since it will likely be licensed, it is unlikely to be
unlimited IMO.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Very curious to see what their pricing is going to be on
fixed and weather or not its UBB or unlimited.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

Verizon did the same thing around here several years
ago with similar results.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel
long time ago.  Didn't work out

On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"
mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:

On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:

Looks like ATT now wants to be a
WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a Satellite
provider all rolled up into one.


http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897


Jack of all trades, master of none.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-20 Thread Chuck McCown 
How are they using CAF?

From: David 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 7:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

Yeah,
I faintly remember that discussion. Not all its cut out to be.
It just gives more fodder to the FCC for better coverage to ATT so that they 
can buy some time to block other incumbents for a chance at some subsidy moneys.
They are using the CAF to do this with.

 


On 05/17/2016 03:10 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  Verizon has, or had, an LTE fixed solution a few years ago. I am pretty sure 
it was depply discussed on this list. It was UBB at around 10G for $100 if 
memory serves. ATT will likely try to be in the same ballpark.

  On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:54 PM David  wrote:

Thanks guys, now I know my conscience wasnt lying to me :)




On 05/17/2016 02:50 PM, George Skorup wrote:

  "unlimited" to a big ISP/cellco means throttling after some finite cap. 
They are greedy shitbags.


  On 5/17/2016 2:32 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Since it will likely be licensed, it is unlikely to be unlimited IMO.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:

  Very curious to see what their pricing is going to be on fixed and 
weather or not its UBB or unlimited. 
  On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

Verizon did the same thing around here several years ago with 
similar results.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

  They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel long time ago. 
 Didn't work out 

  On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  
wrote:

On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:

  Looks like ATT now wants to be a WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a 
Satellite
  provider all rolled up into one.

  
http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897



Jack of all trades, master of none.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-20 Thread David 

Yeah,
I faintly remember that discussion. Not all its cut out to be.
It just gives more fodder to the FCC for better coverage to ATT so that 
they can buy some time to block other incumbents for a chance at some 
subsidy moneys.

They are using the CAF to do this with.



On 05/17/2016 03:10 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Verizon has, or had, an LTE fixed solution a few years ago. I am 
pretty sure it was depply discussed on this list. It was UBB at around 
10G for $100 if memory serves. ATT will likely try to be in the same 
ballpark.


On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:54 PM David > wrote:


Thanks guys, now I know my conscience wasnt lying to me :)



On 05/17/2016 02:50 PM, George Skorup wrote:

"unlimited" to a big ISP/cellco means throttling after some
finite cap. They are greedy shitbags.

On 5/17/2016 2:32 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Since it will likely be licensed, it is unlikely to be unlimited
IMO.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Very curious to see what their pricing is going to be on
fixed and weather or not its UBB or unlimited.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

Verizon did the same thing around here several years ago
with similar results.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel
long time ago.  Didn't work out

On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"
mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:

On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:

Looks like ATT now wants to be a
WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a Satellite
provider all rolled up into one.


http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897


Jack of all trades, master of none.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-17 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 5/17/16 13:12, Josh Luthman wrote:

Verizon's is called HomeFusion.  I think their website is being fed by
one of the products because it's not loading completely.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/splash/homefusion.jsp



It's this now:
https://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/lte-internet-installed/

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-17 Thread Josh Luthman 
Verizon's is called HomeFusion.  I think their website is being fed by one
of the products because it's not loading completely.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/splash/homefusion.jsp


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Verizon has, or had, an LTE fixed solution a few years ago. I am pretty
> sure it was depply discussed on this list. It was UBB at around 10G for
> $100 if memory serves. ATT will likely try to be in the same ballpark.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:54 PM David  wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys, now I know my conscience wasnt lying to me :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/17/2016 02:50 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>
>> "unlimited" to a big ISP/cellco means throttling after some finite cap.
>> They are greedy shitbags.
>>
>> On 5/17/2016 2:32 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> Since it will likely be licensed, it is unlikely to be unlimited IMO.
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Very curious to see what their pricing is going to be on fixed and
>>> weather or not its UBB or unlimited.
>>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>> Verizon did the same thing around here several years ago with similar
 results.

 On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel long time ago.
> Didn't work out
> On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>
>> On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like ATT now wants to be a WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a
>>> Satellite
>>> provider all rolled up into one.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897
>>>
>>>
>> Jack of all trades, master of none.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-17 Thread Lewis Bergman 
Verizon has, or had, an LTE fixed solution a few years ago. I am pretty
sure it was depply discussed on this list. It was UBB at around 10G for
$100 if memory serves. ATT will likely try to be in the same ballpark.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:54 PM David  wrote:

> Thanks guys, now I know my conscience wasnt lying to me :)
>
>
>
> On 05/17/2016 02:50 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> "unlimited" to a big ISP/cellco means throttling after some finite cap.
> They are greedy shitbags.
>
> On 5/17/2016 2:32 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Since it will likely be licensed, it is unlikely to be unlimited IMO.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  > wrote:
>
> Very curious to see what their pricing is going to be on fixed and weather
>> or not its UBB or unlimited.
>>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
> Verizon did the same thing around here several years ago with similar
>>> results.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel long time ago.
 Didn't work out
 On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

> On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:
>
>> Looks like ATT now wants to be a WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a Satellite
>> provider all rolled up into one.
>>
>>
>> http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897
>>
>>
> Jack of all trades, master of none.
>
> ~Seth
>

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-17 Thread David 

Thanks guys, now I know my conscience wasnt lying to me :)


On 05/17/2016 02:50 PM, George Skorup wrote:
"unlimited" to a big ISP/cellco means throttling after some finite 
cap. They are greedy shitbags.


On 5/17/2016 2:32 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Since it will likely be licensed, it is unlikely to be unlimited IMO.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Very curious to see what their pricing is going to be on fixed
and weather or not its UBB or unlimited.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jason McKemie
 wrote:

Verizon did the same thing around here several years ago with
similar results.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel long
time ago.  Didn't work out

On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"
mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:

On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:

Looks like ATT now wants to be a
WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a Satellite
provider all rolled up into one.


http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897


Jack of all trades, master of none.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-17 Thread George Skorup 
"unlimited" to a big ISP/cellco means throttling after some finite cap. 
They are greedy shitbags.


On 5/17/2016 2:32 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Since it will likely be licensed, it is unlikely to be unlimited IMO.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Very curious to see what their pricing is going to be on fixed and
weather or not its UBB or unlimited.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

Verizon did the same thing around here several years ago with
similar results.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel long
time ago. Didn't work out

On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"
mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:

On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:

Looks like ATT now wants to be a
WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a Satellite
provider all rolled up into one.


http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897


Jack of all trades, master of none.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-17 Thread Jason McKemie 
Since it will likely be licensed, it is unlikely to be unlimited IMO.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Very curious to see what their pricing is going to be on fixed and weather
> or not its UBB or unlimited.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Verizon did the same thing around here several years ago with similar
>> results.
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel long time ago.
>>> Didn't work out
>>> On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>>>
 On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:

> Looks like ATT now wants to be a WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a Satellite
> provider all rolled up into one.
>
>
> http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897
>
>
 Jack of all trades, master of none.

 ~Seth

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-17 Thread Kurt Fankhauser 
Very curious to see what their pricing is going to be on fixed and weather
or not its UBB or unlimited.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Verizon did the same thing around here several years ago with similar
> results.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel long time ago.  Didn't
>> work out
>> On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:
>>>
 Looks like ATT now wants to be a WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a Satellite
 provider all rolled up into one.


 http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897


>>> Jack of all trades, master of none.
>>>
>>> ~Seth
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-17 Thread Jason McKemie 
Verizon did the same thing around here several years ago with similar
results.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel long time ago.  Didn't
> work out
> On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>
>> On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like ATT now wants to be a WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a Satellite
>>> provider all rolled up into one.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897
>>>
>>>
>> Jack of all trades, master of none.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-17 Thread Jaime Solorza 
They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel long time ago.  Didn't
work out
On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

> On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:
>
>> Looks like ATT now wants to be a WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a Satellite
>> provider all rolled up into one.
>>
>>
>> http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897
>>
>>
> Jack of all trades, master of none.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-17 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:

Looks like ATT now wants to be a WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a Satellite
provider all rolled up into one.

http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897



Jack of all trades, master of none.

~Seth

[AFMUG] It had to end sometime

2016-05-17 Thread David 
Looks like ATT now wants to be a WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a Satellite 
provider all rolled up into one.


http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716&utm_medium=email&utm_content=technology-news&utm_campaign=newsletter&enews_zone=3897 




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