Re: [AFMUG] Residential towers, (back on topic)

[Lewis Bergman]

I payed my way through college climbing towers others wouldn't climb. I
only had to work a few times a semester. i always demanded cash before I
climbed and brought a college buddy to hold the cash. 35 years ago I got
paid $3000 to relamp a tower nobody would climb. Two cross members came off
in my hand on the way up. What a rust bucket.

i am not suggesting anyone do the same, but some else may want to go to
college too.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:31 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> we have a tower trainer come do training off the cuff.
> best i can get.
> the very same knowledge is provided as you get by  a "certification"
> end of the day... people do what they do
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:21 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>
>> I would say anyone who climbs towers should at the very least go to the
>> OSHA 10 hour class on fall protection. At the very least!  I have seen some
>> shady towers. Ones with no concrete in the base and the only thing
>> anchoring them was the house bracket.  Rusted towers.  You name it so I
>> have climbed towers others have deemed safe.  Call me stupid or whatever,
>> but I like to think I was more in tune with the tower than they were.  I
>> would never ask someone to climb something I wouldn’t.
>>
>> Having said that, if you have determined these “unsafe” towers are
>> actually not a problem offer the tech a few extra dollars for hazard pay.
>> It’s amazing how many towers now become safe.  It’s a double edged sword
>> though.  You don’t want your folks cutting out their safety for a few extra
>> bucks.
>>
>>
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>>
>> www.mtin.net
>> www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 5:07 PM, Ben Royer  wrote:
>>
>> Who has their employees climb residential towers?  Like the Rohn 25
>> variety that Ma’ and Pa’ use to get the games on.  That type.  And do you
>> formally train them?  We do on both accounts, but interested to poll the
>> community on this one.  I have one employee right now that said he’s not
>> afraid of heights but has an alarming number of Unsuccessful jobs because
>> of ‘unsafe tower’s’.  We have since had a talk with him as a couple of
>> those jobs have been successfully done by another employee. Anyway, what
>> say you
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>> 217-965-3699 <(217)%20965-3699> www.royell.net
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Residential towers, (back on topic)

[Steve Jones]

we have a tower trainer come do training off the cuff.
best i can get.
the very same knowledge is provided as you get by  a "certification"
end of the day... people do what they do

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:21 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

> I would say anyone who climbs towers should at the very least go to the
> OSHA 10 hour class on fall protection. At the very least!  I have seen some
> shady towers. Ones with no concrete in the base and the only thing
> anchoring them was the house bracket.  Rusted towers.  You name it so I
> have climbed towers others have deemed safe.  Call me stupid or whatever,
> but I like to think I was more in tune with the tower than they were.  I
> would never ask someone to climb something I wouldn’t.
>
> Having said that, if you have determined these “unsafe” towers are
> actually not a problem offer the tech a few extra dollars for hazard pay.
> It’s amazing how many towers now become safe.  It’s a double edged sword
> though.  You don’t want your folks cutting out their safety for a few extra
> bucks.
>
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> www.mtin.net
> www.midwest-ix.com
>
> On Oct 3, 2017, at 5:07 PM, Ben Royer  wrote:
>
> Who has their employees climb residential towers?  Like the Rohn 25
> variety that Ma’ and Pa’ use to get the games on.  That type.  And do you
> formally train them?  We do on both accounts, but interested to poll the
> community on this one.  I have one employee right now that said he’s not
> afraid of heights but has an alarming number of Unsuccessful jobs because
> of ‘unsafe tower’s’.  We have since had a talk with him as a couple of
> those jobs have been successfully done by another employee. Anyway, what
> say you
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 <(217)%20965-3699> www.royell.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Residential towers, (back on topic)

[Justin Wilson]

I would say anyone who climbs towers should at the very least go to the 
OSHA 10 hour class on fall protection. At the very least!  I have seen some 
shady towers. Ones with no concrete in the base and the only thing anchoring 
them was the house bracket.  Rusted towers.  You name it so I have climbed 
towers others have deemed safe.  Call me stupid or whatever, but I like to 
think I was more in tune with the tower than they were.  I would never ask 
someone to climb something I wouldn’t. 

Having said that, if you have determined these “unsafe” towers are 
actually not a problem offer the tech a few extra dollars for hazard pay.  It’s 
amazing how many towers now become safe.  It’s a double edged sword though.  
You don’t want your folks cutting out their safety for a few extra bucks. 


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Oct 3, 2017, at 5:07 PM, Ben Royer  wrote:
> 
> Who has their employees climb residential towers?  Like the Rohn 25 variety 
> that Ma’ and Pa’ use to get the games on.  That type.  And do you formally 
> train them?  We do on both accounts, but interested to poll the community on 
> this one.  I have one employee right now that said he’s not afraid of heights 
> but has an alarming number of Unsuccessful jobs because of ‘unsafe tower’s’.  
> We have since had a talk with him as a couple of those jobs have been 
> successfully done by another employee. Anyway, what say you
>  
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] Residential towers, (back on topic)

[Sean Heskett]

As the owner I always very clearly tell my employees that safety is in
their hands.  If they deem a task as unsafe then that's an unsafe task for
them in my book no questions asked.  I'm never going to push someone to do
something they don't think is safe, that's just asking for other problem
(like injury, death etc.)  I once had a guy completely lock up and unable
to move on a 100' commercial tower.  He now is mainly ground support at the
tower sites and the other guys who enjoy climbing go up instead.  I'd
rather have him on the ground and helping than on a 100' tower needing to
be rescued (or worse).

Now for your particular problem it sounds like maybe you have hired the
wrong guy for the job if other co-workers are able to complete those jobs.
The tower may or may not be "unsafe" but it doesn't matter, the towers are
"unsafe" for this employee.

I would go to a few of his failed jobs and climb the tower myself and see
first hand what he's looking at.  Ask him what he thinks makes it unsafe
and inspect those items.  He might be correct that it's unsafe and your
other employees are being risky.  Or he might just not be the right guy for
the job.

-Sean


On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:07 PM Ben Royer  wrote:

> Who has their employees climb residential towers?  Like the Rohn 25
> variety that Ma’ and Pa’ use to get the games on.  That type.  And do you
> formally train them?  We do on both accounts, but interested to poll the
> community on this one.  I have one employee right now that said he’s not
> afraid of heights but has an alarming number of Unsuccessful jobs because
> of ‘unsafe tower’s’.  We have since had a talk with him as a couple of
> those jobs have been successfully done by another employee. Anyway, what
> say you
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>

Re: [AFMUG] Residential towers, (back on topic)

[Steve Jones]

I show them images of bad towers, leg blowouts, busted rungs, rusted
through legs, loose house brackets. have them kick the tower and watch the
top, if it moves, dont climb it.

Its not worth it for 30 bucks a month

Ive come across more theyve climbed when they shouldnt have

One thing I ask is for a description of why its "unsafe" this keeps things
more honest.

I would personally go out and check the install deemed safe, just to make
sure they actually are. I went out to replace a radio on one and the tower
started falling over, the tech was young dumb full of ... and that could
have gotten somebody killed, I left the old radio on the tower and
installed a new one to the roof



make sure you differentiate rust and rusted through





On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Ben Royer  wrote:

> Who has their employees climb residential towers?  Like the Rohn 25
> variety that Ma’ and Pa’ use to get the games on.  That type.  And do you
> formally train them?  We do on both accounts, but interested to poll the
> community on this one.  I have one employee right now that said he’s not
> afraid of heights but has an alarming number of Unsuccessful jobs because
> of ‘unsafe tower’s’.  We have since had a talk with him as a couple of
> those jobs have been successfully done by another employee. Anyway, what
> say you
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 <(217)%20965-3699> www.royell.net
>

[AFMUG] Residential towers, (back on topic)

[Ben Royer]

Who has their employees climb residential towers?  Like the Rohn 25 variety 
that Ma’ and Pa’ use to get the games on.  That type.  And do you formally 
train them?  We do on both accounts, but interested to poll the community on 
this one.  I have one employee right now that said he’s not afraid of heights 
but has an alarming number of Unsuccessful jobs because of ‘unsafe tower’s’.  
We have since had a talk with him as a couple of those jobs have been 
successfully done by another employee. Anyway, what say you

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net