Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-03-07 Thread Peter Kranz
Pricing on the PMP product from Siklu starts at around $800 per subscriber
unit and $2000 per base unit, but they do require license keys for full
performance.

Base sector provides a 90Hx20V degree coverage pattern

Overall sector performance between 500 Mbps and 1.8Gbps depending on license
keys

Link ranges up to around 375 meters

Each base unit can support up to 3?(I think) Subscribers 

 

Peter Kranz
 <http://www.unwiredltd.com/> www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
 <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com> pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 6:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

What is this stuff going to cost?  Obviously this is for micropops. Can I go
through 1 tree? Can i lay real fiber cheaper?

 

  _  

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> >
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:27:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions 

 

The new term is HFW Hybrid Fiber Wireless  

 

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 3:27 PM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

So are all of us going to have to start calling wireless "fiber" now,
because that's what the big guys are doing?

 

Reminiscent of the Einstein quote, it's like a very long cat, but without
the cat.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

Aparrently some beta units to big guys like Google Fiberwave

 

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

Heard they are shipping... True? 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968




 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968





Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-18 Thread Josh Reynolds
I run all my DNS lookups through a cloud based pi-hole instance. I end up
using less data, and have a faster and safer web browsing experience. No
ads, no malware.

On Feb 18, 2017 12:54 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> 300 mbps to the end user device.  If there’s only one end user?
>
>
>
> The mobile industry has a problem with talking about basestation sector
> capacity as if that’s the speed each user will see.  Of course they don’t
> guarantee speeds at all, they only talk about how many gigabytes you can
> use per month.  And 300 mbps is 135 GB per hour, right?  And the mobile
> industry wants to define “unlimited data” to mean 22 GB per month.
> Something is wrong when you can burn through your monthly data plan in 10
> minutes.  I guess we’re really going to need zero rated and sponsored data.
>
>
>
> I also question the ability of mobile devices – at least phones – to
> process and/or store data at 300 mbps.  They trade off CPU horsepower for
> battery life.  Unless the new generation of phones is going to be a lot
> more powerful than mine, which struggles just to deal with all the ads and
> trackers in web pages.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 18, 2017 12:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
>
>
>
> Andreas, please report back to us on this and also LTE LAA, Huawei just
> announced a comercial deployment using 2.6 and 5 ghz LAA, 300 mbps to the
> end user device with 15 mhz of 2.6 and 2 20 mhz channels in 5 ghz
>
>
>
> *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Andreas Wiatowski <
> andr...@silowireless.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 1:54 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
>
>
>
> I am going to MWC in Barcelona this year.  I will be actively looking for
> PTMP in MMW
>
> Cheers,
>
> __
>
> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
> Email  andr...@silowireless.com
>
> 19 Sage Court
>
> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
>
> Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600 <(519)%20449-5656>|Fax +1.519.449.5536
> <(519)%20449-5536> |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 <(866)%20727-4138>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 18, 2017 10:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
>
>
>
> Innovation in mmwave is happening rapidly right now. The prices will
> continue to come down this year.
>
>
>
> Yes, I'd say micropops but I'm not sure that completely does it justice.
> There's several different architectures that are being deployed now.
>
>
>
> No you can't go through trees at least not reliably. You can go around
> them... Or you can combine with other bands and load as much on 60ghz and
> rest on sub 6ghz that are a challenge.
>
>
>
> The can you lay fiber cheaper? I'd say no from the projects we've done so
> far. One city, for example, was ~$5M to build out with 100% fiber; $400k to
> pass all those same homes with 60ghz. 3 months vs. years.
>
>
>
> Is 60ghz the answer for everything? Nope. :-)
>
>
>
> Hal
>
>
>
> P.S. I have a bias towards 60ghz (IgniteNet).
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:19 AM Craig Schmaderer <cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
> wrote:
>
> What is this stuff going to cost?  Obviously this is for micropops. Can I
> go through 1 tree? Can i lay real fiber cheaper?
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Gino Villarini <
> g...@aeronetpr.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:27:49 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
>
> The new term is HFW Hybrid Fiber Wireless
>
>
>
> *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
> >
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 3:27 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
>
>
>
> So are all of us going to have to start calling wireless “fiber” now,
> because that’s what the big guys are doing?
>
>
>
> Reminiscent of the Einstein quote, it’s

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-18 Thread Ken Hohhof
Hahahahahaha.  Totally true.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 8:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

On 2/18/17 10:54, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> I also question the ability of mobile devices � at least phones � 
> to process and/or store data at 300 mbps.  They trade off CPU 
> horsepower for battery life.  Unless the new generation of phones is 
> going to be a lot more powerful than mine, which struggles just to 
> deal with all the ads and trackers in web pages.
>


http://theoatmeal.com/comics/mobile_website




Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-18 Thread Seth Mattinen

On 2/18/17 10:54, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I also question the ability of mobile devices � at least phones � to
process and/or store data at 300 mbps.  They trade off CPU horsepower
for battery life.  Unless the new generation of phones is going to be a
lot more powerful than mine, which struggles just to deal with all the
ads and trackers in web pages.




http://theoatmeal.com/comics/mobile_website


Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-18 Thread Ken Hohhof
300 mbps to the end user device.  If there's only one end user?

 

The mobile industry has a problem with talking about basestation sector
capacity as if that's the speed each user will see.  Of course they don't
guarantee speeds at all, they only talk about how many gigabytes you can use
per month.  And 300 mbps is 135 GB per hour, right?  And the mobile industry
wants to define "unlimited data" to mean 22 GB per month.  Something is
wrong when you can burn through your monthly data plan in 10 minutes.  I
guess we're really going to need zero rated and sponsored data.

 

I also question the ability of mobile devices - at least phones - to process
and/or store data at 300 mbps.  They trade off CPU horsepower for battery
life.  Unless the new generation of phones is going to be a lot more
powerful than mine, which struggles just to deal with all the ads and
trackers in web pages.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

Andreas, please report back to us on this and also LTE LAA, Huawei just
announced a comercial deployment using 2.6 and 5 ghz LAA, 300 mbps to the
end user device with 15 mhz of 2.6 and 2 20 mhz channels in 5 ghz

 

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Andreas Wiatowski <andr...@silowireless.com
<mailto:andr...@silowireless.com> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 1:54 PM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

I am going to MWC in Barcelona this year.  I will be actively looking for
PTMP in MMW

Cheers,

__

Andreas Wiatowski | CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

Email  andr...@silowireless.com <mailto:andr...@silowireless.com> 

19 Sage Court

Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)

Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free
+1.866.727.4138

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

Innovation in mmwave is happening rapidly right now. The prices will
continue to come down this year.

 

Yes, I'd say micropops but I'm not sure that completely does it justice.
There's several different architectures that are being deployed now.

 

No you can't go through trees at least not reliably. You can go around
them... Or you can combine with other bands and load as much on 60ghz and
rest on sub 6ghz that are a challenge.

 

The can you lay fiber cheaper? I'd say no from the projects we've done so
far. One city, for example, was ~$5M to build out with 100% fiber; $400k to
pass all those same homes with 60ghz. 3 months vs. years.

 

Is 60ghz the answer for everything? Nope. :-)

 

Hal

 

P.S. I have a bias towards 60ghz (IgniteNet).

 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:19 AM Craig Schmaderer <cr...@skywaveconnect.com
<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com> > wrote: 

What is this stuff going to cost?  Obviously this is for micropops. Can I go
through 1 tree? Can i lay real fiber cheaper?

 


  _  


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> >
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:27:49 PM


To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

The new term is HFW Hybrid Fiber Wireless  

 

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 3:27 PM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

So are all of us going to have to start calling wireless "fiber" now,
because that's what the big guys are doing?

 

Reminiscent of the Einstein quote, it's like a very long cat, but without
the cat.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

Aparrently some beta units to big guys like Google Fiberwave

 

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losgu

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-18 Thread Gino Villarini
Andreas, please report back to us on this and also LTE LAA, Huawei just 
announced a comercial deployment using 2.6 and 5 ghz LAA, 300 mbps to the end 
user device with 15 mhz of 2.6 and 2 20 mhz channels in 5 ghz

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Andreas Wiatowski <andr...@silowireless.com<mailto:andr...@silowireless.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 1:54 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

I am going to MWC in Barcelona this year.  I will be actively looking for PTMP 
in MMW
Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com<mailto:andr...@silowireless.com>
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Innovation in mmwave is happening rapidly right now. The prices will continue 
to come down this year.

Yes, I'd say micropops but I'm not sure that completely does it justice. 
There's several different architectures that are being deployed now.

No you can't go through trees at least not reliably. You can go around them... 
Or you can combine with other bands and load as much on 60ghz and rest on sub 
6ghz that are a challenge.

The can you lay fiber cheaper? I'd say no from the projects we've done so far. 
One city, for example, was ~$5M to build out with 100% fiber; $400k to pass all 
those same homes with 60ghz. 3 months vs. years.

Is 60ghz the answer for everything? Nope. :-)

Hal

P.S. I have a bias towards 60ghz (IgniteNet).




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:19 AM Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
What is this stuff going to cost?  Obviously this is for micropops. Can I go 
through 1 tree? Can i lay real fiber cheaper?


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Gino 
Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:27:49 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
The new term is HFW Hybrid Fiber Wireless

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Ken 
Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 3:27 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

So are all of us going to have to start calling wireless “fiber” now, because 
that’s what the big guys are doing?

Reminiscent of the Einstein quote, it’s like a very long cat, but without the 
cat.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Aparrently some beta units to big guys like Google Fiberwave

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Heard they are shipping... True?



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
--

Harold Bledsoe


Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-18 Thread Andreas Wiatowski
I am going to MWC in Barcelona this year.  I will be actively looking for PTMP 
in MMW
Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Innovation in mmwave is happening rapidly right now. The prices will continue 
to come down this year.

Yes, I'd say micropops but I'm not sure that completely does it justice. 
There's several different architectures that are being deployed now.

No you can't go through trees at least not reliably. You can go around them... 
Or you can combine with other bands and load as much on 60ghz and rest on sub 
6ghz that are a challenge.

The can you lay fiber cheaper? I'd say no from the projects we've done so far. 
One city, for example, was ~$5M to build out with 100% fiber; $400k to pass all 
those same homes with 60ghz. 3 months vs. years.

Is 60ghz the answer for everything? Nope. :-)

Hal

P.S. I have a bias towards 60ghz (IgniteNet).

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:19 AM Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
What is this stuff going to cost?  Obviously this is for micropops. Can I go 
through 1 tree? Can i lay real fiber cheaper?


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Gino 
Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:27:49 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
The new term is HFW Hybrid Fiber Wireless

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Ken 
Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 3:27 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

So are all of us going to have to start calling wireless “fiber” now, because 
that’s what the big guys are doing?

Reminiscent of the Einstein quote, it’s like a very long cat, but without the 
cat.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Aparrently some beta units to big guys like Google Fiberwave

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Heard they are shipping... True?



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D28858.6073B120]



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
--

Harold Bledsoe


Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-18 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Innovation in mmwave is happening rapidly right now. The prices will
continue to come down this year.

Yes, I'd say micropops but I'm not sure that completely does it justice.
There's several different architectures that are being deployed now.

No you can't go through trees at least not reliably. You can go around
them... Or you can combine with other bands and load as much on 60ghz and
rest on sub 6ghz that are a challenge.

The can you lay fiber cheaper? I'd say no from the projects we've done so
far. One city, for example, was ~$5M to build out with 100% fiber; $400k to
pass all those same homes with 60ghz. 3 months vs. years.

Is 60ghz the answer for everything? Nope. :-)

Hal

P.S. I have a bias towards 60ghz (IgniteNet).

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:19 AM Craig Schmaderer <cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
wrote:

> What is this stuff going to cost?  Obviously this is for micropops. Can I
> go through 1 tree? Can i lay real fiber cheaper?
>
>
> --
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Gino Villarini <
> g...@aeronetpr.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:27:49 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
> The new term is HFW Hybrid Fiber Wireless
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 3:27 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
>
> So are all of us going to have to start calling wireless “fiber” now,
> because that’s what the big guys are doing?
>
>
>
> Reminiscent of the Einstein quote, it’s like a very long cat, but without
> the cat.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
>
>
>
> Aparrently some beta units to big guys like Google Fiberwave
>
>
>
> *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
>
>
>
> Heard they are shipping... True?
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> --

Harold Bledsoe


Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-17 Thread Craig Schmaderer
What is this stuff going to cost?  Obviously this is for micropops. Can I go 
through 1 tree? Can i lay real fiber cheaper?



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:27:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

The new term is HFW Hybrid Fiber Wireless

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Ken 
Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 3:27 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

So are all of us going to have to start calling wireless “fiber” now, because 
that’s what the big guys are doing?

Reminiscent of the Einstein quote, it’s like a very long cat, but without the 
cat.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Aparrently some beta units to big guys like Google Fiberwave

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Heard they are shipping... True?



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-16 Thread Gino Villarini
The new term is HFW Hybrid Fiber Wireless

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Ken 
Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 3:27 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

So are all of us going to have to start calling wireless “fiber” now, because 
that’s what the big guys are doing?

Reminiscent of the Einstein quote, it’s like a very long cat, but without the 
cat.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Aparrently some beta units to big guys like Google Fiberwave

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Heard they are shipping... True?



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-16 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Ugh. Marketing departments. Telus (the ILEC in BC and AB) calls its entire
triple play over VDSL2 solution "Optik" with a K. Which usually tops out at
25 Mbps downstream due to reach limits between neighborhood node VDSL2
DSLAMs, old copper wiring and houses.

https://www.google.com/search?q=telus+optik=utf-8=utf-8



On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote:

> Everyone here calls his connection fibre as long as a part of the line is
> fibre.
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
> Datum: 16.02.17 20:27 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
>
>


Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-16 Thread Stefan Englhardt
Everyone here calls his connection fibre as long as a part of the line is 
fibre. 

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> 
Datum: 16.02.17  20:27  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions 



Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-16 Thread Ken Hohhof
So are all of us going to have to start calling wireless "fiber" now,
because that's what the big guys are doing?

 

Reminiscent of the Einstein quote, it's like a very long cat, but without
the cat.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

Aparrently some beta units to big guys like Google Fiberwave

 

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

Heard they are shipping... True? 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968





Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-16 Thread Gino Villarini
Aparrently some beta units to big guys like Google Fiberwave

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Heard they are shipping... True?



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]


[AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Heard they are shipping... True?