Re: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

[Paul Stewart]

We use TA5000 from Adtran along with SmartRG CPE devices … works well 

 

Paul

 

 

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: <af@afmug.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 11:09 AM
To: <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

 

I spoke with versatek yesterday and they were pretty helpful. I have been 
buying their gear for a while now and am happy with them. The min 8 port DSLAM 
is about $800 and the 24 port is about $1400. 

 

 

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 2:49 PM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

Curious about this as we too have an older Dslam that needs upgrading

On 01/15/2018 10:51 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Hey all, 

I am looking at replacing a very old DSLAM that we have had in operation for 
the past 13 years. It is slow and dying. Looking at VDSL2 and am wondering if 
any of you have had experience with them.

The building is an old 1980's concrete behemoth that is a wifi killer, hence 
the need for the DSLAM.

Versatek has been good to me with other adsl2+ locations, but since we now have 
100 mbps+ of FTTH available to many MDUs, it make sense to look into faster 
DSLAM.

 

What about modems as well? Any particular brands that work better than others?

 

Thanks

Sam

 

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Taosnet Wireless Tech.
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www.Taosnet.com

 

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Re: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

[Eric Kuhnke]

yes, I was going to ask since typically 30a will result in 100Mbps x 100
Mbps (rather than 100 x 50), at MDU loop lengths, unless the wiring is
terrible in the building.



On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Rob Genovesi 
wrote:

> Good question!  Ours is at 17a (the default).  30a is unnecessary
> because we're rate limiting lower speeds (capacity constrained by
> microwave back haul).
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
> > Are you using a 17a or 30a profile with that?
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Rob Genovesi 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Sam,
> >>
> >> Modems are syncing at ~100 Mbps DL and ~50 Mbps UL.  We rate limit
> >> with a Mikrotik at the head-end.  Loop lengths are very short, under
> >> 1kft.  We use SmartRG modems (SR515ac) which are integrated
> >> modem/Wi-Fi routers.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Sam Lambie 
> wrote:
> >> > Rob,
> >> > What speeds are you seeing to the CPE?
> >> > What modems are you using? Do they have wireless capability or do you
> >> > add
> >> > another Router off of that?
> >> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

[Rob Genovesi]

Good question!  Ours is at 17a (the default).  30a is unnecessary
because we're rate limiting lower speeds (capacity constrained by
microwave back haul).




On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> Are you using a 17a or 30a profile with that?
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Rob Genovesi 
> wrote:
>>
>> Sam,
>>
>> Modems are syncing at ~100 Mbps DL and ~50 Mbps UL.  We rate limit
>> with a Mikrotik at the head-end.  Loop lengths are very short, under
>> 1kft.  We use SmartRG modems (SR515ac) which are integrated
>> modem/Wi-Fi routers.
>>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>> > Rob,
>> > What speeds are you seeing to the CPE?
>> > What modems are you using? Do they have wireless capability or do you
>> > add
>> > another Router off of that?
>> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

[Eric Kuhnke]

Are you using a 17a or 30a profile with that?

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Rob Genovesi 
wrote:

> Sam,
>
> Modems are syncing at ~100 Mbps DL and ~50 Mbps UL.  We rate limit
> with a Mikrotik at the head-end.  Loop lengths are very short, under
> 1kft.  We use SmartRG modems (SR515ac) which are integrated
> modem/Wi-Fi routers.
>
>
> -Rob
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> > Rob,
> > What speeds are you seeing to the CPE?
> > What modems are you using? Do they have wireless capability or do you add
> > another Router off of that?
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

[Sam Lambie]

I spoke with versatek yesterday and they were pretty helpful. I have been
buying their gear for a while now and am happy with them. The min 8 port
DSLAM is about $800 and the 24 port is about $1400.


On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 2:49 PM, Dave  wrote:

> Curious about this as we too have an older Dslam that needs upgrading
>
>
> On 01/15/2018 10:51 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> I am looking at replacing a very old DSLAM that we have had in operation
> for the past 13 years. It is slow and dying. Looking at VDSL2 and am
> wondering if any of you have had experience with them.
> The building is an old 1980's concrete behemoth that is a wifi killer,
> hence the need for the DSLAM.
> Versatek has been good to me with other adsl2+ locations, but since we now
> have 100 mbps+ of FTTH available to many MDUs, it make sense to look into
> faster DSLAM.
>
> What about modems as well? Any particular brands that work better than
> others?
>
> Thanks
> Sam
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
> --
>



-- 
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*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

[Dave]

Curious about this as we too have an older Dslam that needs upgrading


On 01/15/2018 10:51 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Hey all,
I am looking at replacing a very old DSLAM that we have had in 
operation for the past 13 years. It is slow and dying. Looking at 
VDSL2 and am wondering if any of you have had experience with them.
The building is an old 1980's concrete behemoth that is a wifi killer, 
hence the need for the DSLAM.
Versatek has been good to me with other adsl2+ locations, but since we 
now have 100 mbps+ of FTTH available to many MDUs, it make sense to 
look into faster DSLAM.


What about modems as well? Any particular brands that work better than 
others?


Thanks
Sam

--
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*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 


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Re: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

[Chuck McCown]

Hard to beat the SmartRG.

-Original Message- 
From: Rob Genovesi 
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 2:36 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options 


Versa DSLAM we got off Amazon.

I sent you my sales rep info for SmartRG.  There are other vendors
available for modems as well (we've also used Zyxel and Zhone).  I
prefer SmartRG because they have a TR-069 ACS platform we are now
utilizing for remote management of modems.


-Rob

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:

Great. Now, where to buy them?

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

[Rob Genovesi]

Versa DSLAM we got off Amazon.

I sent you my sales rep info for SmartRG.  There are other vendors
available for modems as well (we've also used Zyxel and Zhone).  I
prefer SmartRG because they have a TR-069 ACS platform we are now
utilizing for remote management of modems.


-Rob

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> Great. Now, where to buy them?
>

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

[Sam Lambie]

Great. Now, where to buy them?

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Rob Genovesi 
wrote:

> Sam,
>
> Modems are syncing at ~100 Mbps DL and ~50 Mbps UL.  We rate limit
> with a Mikrotik at the head-end.  Loop lengths are very short, under
> 1kft.  We use SmartRG modems (SR515ac) which are integrated
> modem/Wi-Fi routers.
>
>
> -Rob
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> > Rob,
> > What speeds are you seeing to the CPE?
> > What modems are you using? Do they have wireless capability or do you add
> > another Router off of that?
> >
>



-- 
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*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

[Sam Lambie]

Rob,
What speeds are you seeing to the CPE?
What modems are you using? Do they have wireless capability or do you add
another Router off of that?

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Rob Genovesi <r...@corp.coastside.net>
wrote:

> We have a Versa VX-M208S at a small MDU to use existing copper.  No
> frills, just works.
>
>
>
> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:10 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is what the DSLAM supports for VDSL2
> >
> > Here is a link to their model page:
> > https://www.versatek.com/product/vx-m208s-8-port-vdsl2-mini-ip-dslam/
> >
> > VDSL2 ITU-T G.993.2
> > VDSL2 Profiles: 8a, 8b, 8c, 8d, 12a, 12b, 17a and 30a
> > 802.1d L2 Bridging
> > DHCP /Client/Relay/Option82
> > IEEE 802.1q VLAN Tag base
> > VLAN Stacking (Q-in-Q)
> > IEEE 802.1d Spanning Tree Protocol (STP)
> > IEEE 802.3ad Link Aggregation
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> If your loops are short enough, use g.fast.
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Sam Lambie
> >> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 9:51 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options
> >>
> >> Hey all,
> >> I am looking at replacing a very old DSLAM that we have had in operation
> >> for the past 13 years. It is slow and dying. Looking at VDSL2 and am
> >> wondering if any of you have had experience with them.
> >> The building is an old 1980's concrete behemoth that is a wifi killer,
> >> hence the need for the DSLAM.
> >> Versatek has been good to me with other adsl2+ locations, but since we
> now
> >> have 100 mbps+ of FTTH available to many MDUs, it make sense to look
> into
> >> faster DSLAM.
> >>
> >> What about modems as well? Any particular brands that work better than
> >> others?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Sam
> >>
> >> --
> >> --
> >> Sam Lambie
> >> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> >> 575-758-7598 Office
> >> www.Taosnet.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > --
> > Sam Lambie
> > Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> > 575-758-7598 Office
> > www.Taosnet.com
>



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*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

[Rob Genovesi]

We have a Versa VX-M208S at a small MDU to use existing copper.  No
frills, just works.



Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA


On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:10 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is what the DSLAM supports for VDSL2
>
> Here is a link to their model page:
> https://www.versatek.com/product/vx-m208s-8-port-vdsl2-mini-ip-dslam/
>
> VDSL2 ITU-T G.993.2
> VDSL2 Profiles: 8a, 8b, 8c, 8d, 12a, 12b, 17a and 30a
> 802.1d L2 Bridging
> DHCP /Client/Relay/Option82
> IEEE 802.1q VLAN Tag base
> VLAN Stacking (Q-in-Q)
> IEEE 802.1d Spanning Tree Protocol (STP)
> IEEE 802.3ad Link Aggregation
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> If your loops are short enough, use g.fast.
>>
>>
>> From: Sam Lambie
>> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 9:51 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I am looking at replacing a very old DSLAM that we have had in operation
>> for the past 13 years. It is slow and dying. Looking at VDSL2 and am
>> wondering if any of you have had experience with them.
>> The building is an old 1980's concrete behemoth that is a wifi killer,
>> hence the need for the DSLAM.
>> Versatek has been good to me with other adsl2+ locations, but since we now
>> have 100 mbps+ of FTTH available to many MDUs, it make sense to look into
>> faster DSLAM.
>>
>> What about modems as well? Any particular brands that work better than
>> others?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sam
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Sam Lambie
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com
>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Sam Lambie
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

[Sam Lambie]

https://www.versatek.com/blog/the-problems-with-g-fast/

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is what the DSLAM supports for VDSL2
>
> Here is a link to their model page: https://www.versatek.
> com/product/vx-m208s-8-port-vdsl2-mini-ip-dslam/
>
>
>- VDSL2 ITU-T G.993.2
>- VDSL2 Profiles: 8a, 8b, 8c, 8d, 12a, 12b, 17a and 30a
>- 802.1d L2 Bridging
>- DHCP /Client/Relay/Option82
>- IEEE 802.1q VLAN Tag base
>- VLAN Stacking (Q-in-Q)
>- IEEE 802.1d Spanning Tree Protocol (STP)
>- IEEE 802.3ad Link Aggregation
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> If your loops are short enough, use g.fast.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2018 9:51 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I am looking at replacing a very old DSLAM that we have had in operation
>> for the past 13 years. It is slow and dying. Looking at VDSL2 and am
>> wondering if any of you have had experience with them.
>> The building is an old 1980's concrete behemoth that is a wifi killer,
>> hence the need for the DSLAM.
>> Versatek has been good to me with other adsl2+ locations, but since we
>> now have 100 mbps+ of FTTH available to many MDUs, it make sense to look
>> into faster DSLAM.
>>
>> What about modems as well? Any particular brands that work better than
>> others?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sam
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>



-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

[Sam Lambie]

This is what the DSLAM supports for VDSL2

Here is a link to their model page:
https://www.versatek.com/product/vx-m208s-8-port-vdsl2-mini-ip-dslam/


   - VDSL2 ITU-T G.993.2
   - VDSL2 Profiles: 8a, 8b, 8c, 8d, 12a, 12b, 17a and 30a
   - 802.1d L2 Bridging
   - DHCP /Client/Relay/Option82
   - IEEE 802.1q VLAN Tag base
   - VLAN Stacking (Q-in-Q)
   - IEEE 802.1d Spanning Tree Protocol (STP)
   - IEEE 802.3ad Link Aggregation


On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> If your loops are short enough, use g.fast.
>
>
> *From:* Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2018 9:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options
>
> Hey all,
> I am looking at replacing a very old DSLAM that we have had in operation
> for the past 13 years. It is slow and dying. Looking at VDSL2 and am
> wondering if any of you have had experience with them.
> The building is an old 1980's concrete behemoth that is a wifi killer,
> hence the need for the DSLAM.
> Versatek has been good to me with other adsl2+ locations, but since we now
> have 100 mbps+ of FTTH available to many MDUs, it make sense to look into
> faster DSLAM.
>
> What about modems as well? Any particular brands that work better than
> others?
>
> Thanks
> Sam
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>



-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

[Chuck McCown]

If your loops are short enough, use g.fast.


From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 9:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

Hey all, 
I am looking at replacing a very old DSLAM that we have had in operation for 
the past 13 years. It is slow and dying. Looking at VDSL2 and am wondering if 
any of you have had experience with them.
The building is an old 1980's concrete behemoth that is a wifi killer, hence 
the need for the DSLAM.
Versatek has been good to me with other adsl2+ locations, but since we now have 
100 mbps+ of FTTH available to many MDUs, it make sense to look into faster 
DSLAM.

What about modems as well? Any particular brands that work better than others?

Thanks
Sam

-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

[AFMUG] VDSL2 DSLAM options

[Sam Lambie]

Hey all,
I am looking at replacing a very old DSLAM that we have had in operation
for the past 13 years. It is slow and dying. Looking at VDSL2 and am
wondering if any of you have had experience with them.
The building is an old 1980's concrete behemoth that is a wifi killer,
hence the need for the DSLAM.
Versatek has been good to me with other adsl2+ locations, but since we now
have 100 mbps+ of FTTH available to many MDUs, it make sense to look into
faster DSLAM.

What about modems as well? Any particular brands that work better than
others?

Thanks
Sam

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com