Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[D. Ryan Spott]

I'm paying $1 per mb for 250mb per month now. Max speed = 1.5 down 256 up. 
$2/mb for overages. $0.39 per minute for phone calls. 

Works until just west of Hawaii. CPE was $12K. 

I could pay 0.50 per megabyte but I have to commit to $1000 spend per month. 



ryan

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425-939-0047

> On May 3, 2017, at 14:25, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Bet this will be spendy service.
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Steve Jones]

its a matter of time til spacex gets recreational travel dialed in enough
for rednecks to go up with big ol guns shooting down retired space junk
like the helicopter boar hunts with machine guns... merca`

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Apparently the geosynchronous satellites don’t have to deorbit clear to
> earth.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graveyard_orbit
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 3:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites
>
> I was reading an article the other day about the space debris problem, in
> particular these tiny satellites and the diminishing windows for launch. I
> never gave it a lot of though cause space is kind of big, but really its
> not, and 28k mph is kind of fast to hit anything. These tiny satellites are
> being tossed up left and right, by less scrupulous entities than spacex,
> though they did talk about this venture directly.
>
> I think there should be a standards commitment to all space ventures to
> treat space with the boy scout attitude of leaving it better than when you
> got there... note I did not say law.
>
> I don't know where ICBMs traverse the low earth orbit, but if SHTF it
> could get hairy with nukes playing pinball off a bunch of baby satellites
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I always wondered about "Vaporize"   It's still a significant amount of
>> material getting spread around the atmosphere and isn't like it's a
>> contrail...  #chemtrails
>>
>> On 05/03/2017 01:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> All satellites are launched these days with deorbiting rockets.  So,
>>> they vaporize on the way down.  Not sure what else could be done.
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites
>>>
>>> do all these ventures come with any long term recourse for their
>>> environmental impact as they decay, degrade, and fail?
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Big Brother gonna get youNow that you got the picture, what you
>>> going to do?   Apologies to Pete Rivera and Rare Earth
>>>
>>> On May 3, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Make it impossible for nation states to block too
>>>
>>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] space x satellites
>>>
>>> Bet this will be spendy service.
>>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/space
>>> xs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/
>>> <https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spac
>>> exs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Chuck McCown]

Apparently the geosynchronous satellites don’t have to deorbit clear to earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graveyard_orbit

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 3:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

I was reading an article the other day about the space debris problem, in 
particular these tiny satellites and the diminishing windows for launch. I 
never gave it a lot of though cause space is kind of big, but really its not, 
and 28k mph is kind of fast to hit anything. These tiny satellites are being 
tossed up left and right, by less scrupulous entities than spacex, though they 
did talk about this venture directly.

I think there should be a standards commitment to all space ventures to treat 
space with the boy scout attitude of leaving it better than when you got 
there... note I did not say law. 

I don't know where ICBMs traverse the low earth orbit, but if SHTF it could get 
hairy with nukes playing pinball off a bunch of baby satellites

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

  I always wondered about "Vaporize"   It's still a significant amount of 
material getting spread around the atmosphere and isn't like it's a contrail... 
 #chemtrails

  On 05/03/2017 01:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

All satellites are launched these days with deorbiting rockets.  So,
they vaporize on the way down.  Not sure what else could be done.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

do all these ventures come with any long term recourse for their
environmental impact as they decay, degrade, and fail?

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Big Brother gonna get youNow that you got the picture, what you
going to do?   Apologies to Pete Rivera and Rare Earth

On May 3, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Make it impossible for nation states to block too

*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* [AFMUG] space x satellites

Bet this will be spendy service.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/

<https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/>

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Steve Jones]

I was reading an article the other day about the space debris problem, in
particular these tiny satellites and the diminishing windows for launch. I
never gave it a lot of though cause space is kind of big, but really its
not, and 28k mph is kind of fast to hit anything. These tiny satellites are
being tossed up left and right, by less scrupulous entities than spacex,
though they did talk about this venture directly.

I think there should be a standards commitment to all space ventures to
treat space with the boy scout attitude of leaving it better than when you
got there... note I did not say law.

I don't know where ICBMs traverse the low earth orbit, but if SHTF it could
get hairy with nukes playing pinball off a bunch of baby satellites

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com>
wrote:

> I always wondered about "Vaporize"   It's still a significant amount of
> material getting spread around the atmosphere and isn't like it's a
> contrail...  #chemtrails
>
> On 05/03/2017 01:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> All satellites are launched these days with deorbiting rockets.  So,
>> they vaporize on the way down.  Not sure what else could be done.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites
>>
>> do all these ventures come with any long term recourse for their
>> environmental impact as they decay, degrade, and fail?
>>
>> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Jaime Solorza
>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Big Brother gonna get youNow that you got the picture, what you
>> going to do?   Apologies to Pete Rivera and Rare Earth
>>
>> On May 3, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> Make it impossible for nation states to block too
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] space x satellites
>>
>> Bet this will be spendy service.
>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/
>> spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/
>> <https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/
>> spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Chuck McCown]

One satellite vaporized to particles probably equals a few seconds of output 
from a coal power station.
And vaporized glass & aluminum don't bother me much because most of the dust 
kicked up by the wind is mostly silicon dioxide and aluminum dioxide.  All 
the stuff in the satellite originated in the earth.  Ashes to ashes.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 3:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

I always wondered about "Vaporize"   It's still a significant amount of
material getting spread around the atmosphere and isn't like it's a
contrail...  #chemtrails

On 05/03/2017 01:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

All satellites are launched these days with deorbiting rockets.  So,
they vaporize on the way down.  Not sure what else could be done.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

do all these ventures come with any long term recourse for their
environmental impact as they decay, degrade, and fail?

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Big Brother gonna get youNow that you got the picture, what you
going to do?   Apologies to Pete Rivera and Rare Earth

On May 3, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Make it impossible for nation states to block too

*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] space x satellites

Bet this will be spendy service.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/

<https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/>

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Robert Andrews]

I always wondered about "Vaporize"   It's still a significant amount of 
material getting spread around the atmosphere and isn't like it's a 
contrail...  #chemtrails


On 05/03/2017 01:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

All satellites are launched these days with deorbiting rockets.  So,
they vaporize on the way down.  Not sure what else could be done.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

do all these ventures come with any long term recourse for their
environmental impact as they decay, degrade, and fail?

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Big Brother gonna get youNow that you got the picture, what you
going to do?   Apologies to Pete Rivera and Rare Earth

On May 3, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Make it impossible for nation states to block too

*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* [AFMUG] space x satellites

Bet this will be spendy service.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/

<https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/>

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Chuck McCown]

All satellites are launched these days with deorbiting rockets.  So, they 
vaporize on the way down.  Not sure what else could be done.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

do all these ventures come with any long term recourse for their environmental 
impact as they decay, degrade, and fail?

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Big Brother gonna get youNow that you got the picture, what you going to 
do?   Apologies to Pete Rivera and Rare Earth

  On May 3, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Make it impossible for nation states to block too

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] space x satellites

Bet this will be spendy service.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Steve Jones]

do all these ventures come with any long term recourse for their
environmental impact as they decay, degrade, and fail?

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Big Brother gonna get youNow that you got the picture, what you going
> to do?   Apologies to Pete Rivera and Rare Earth
>
> On May 3, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Make it impossible for nation states to block too
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] space x satellites
>>
>> Bet this will be spendy service.
>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/
>> spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Jaime Solorza]

Big Brother gonna get youNow that you got the picture, what you going
to do?   Apologies to Pete Rivera and Rare Earth

On May 3, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Make it impossible for nation states to block too
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] space x satellites
>
> Bet this will be spendy service.
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/
> 05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/
>

Re: [AFMUG] space x satellites

[Chuck McCown]

Make it impossible for nation states to block too

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] space x satellites

Bet this will be spendy service.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/

[AFMUG] space x satellites

[Chuck McCown]

Bet this will be spendy service.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/spacexs-falcon-9-rocket-will-launch-thousands-of-broadband-satellites/