Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[Chris Wright]

Thanks for the update! I find this much more interesting than the promo video 
itself. :)

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ray Savich
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 6:33 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

The test was conducted with:

  *   21 2x2 802.11ac laptops with Intel client cards and running Windows.
  *   34 802.11n laptops, a mix of 2x2 and 3x3, also with Intel client cards 
and running Windows.
  *   The APs were tested at 5GHz, and clients were operated manually for all 
the tests.
In addition to video streaming, we also benchmarked performance in this 
environment, getting just over 90Mbps average aggregate throughput across 55 
clients (1.6-2Mbps per client). The maximum CPU utilization was noted at <~50% 
throughout, so the APs were not CPU limited. The traffic was streamed unicast 
to all clients simultaneously.
The desks were arranged in a semi-circular shape in 4 rows from the Access 
Point, each desk had 4 laptops placed about a foot apart from each other. Each 
row was 3 feet away from the next, the layout being a rough approximation of a 
classroom. RSSI of between -42dB and -55dB was noted across the room, with 
relatively low noise floor
The test used a 10 minute AVI file (~156MB sized)
Each video playback was monitored manually, and the operators would mark the 
quality based on whether playback had any freeze, missing frames, or stutters. 
6 or more instances of such errors resulted in the client being marked as 
failed the test

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Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[Ray Savich]

The test was conducted with:

  *   21 2x2 802.11ac laptops with Intel client cards and running Windows.
  *   34 802.11n laptops, a mix of 2x2 and 3x3, also with Intel client cards 
and running Windows.
  *   The APs were tested at 5GHz, and clients were operated manually for all 
the tests.
In addition to video streaming, we also benchmarked performance in this 
environment, getting just over 90Mbps average aggregate throughput across 55 
clients (1.6-2Mbps per client). The maximum CPU utilization was noted at <~50% 
throughout, so the APs were not CPU limited. The traffic was streamed unicast 
to all clients simultaneously.
The desks were arranged in a semi-circular shape in 4 rows from the Access 
Point, each desk had 4 laptops placed about a foot apart from each other. Each 
row was 3 feet away from the next, the layout being a rough approximation of a 
classroom. RSSI of between -42dB and -55dB was noted across the room, with 
relatively low noise floor
The test used a 10 minute AVI file (~156MB sized)
Each video playback was monitored manually, and the operators would mark the 
quality based on whether playback had any freeze, missing frames, or stutters. 
6 or more instances of such errors resulted in the client being marked as 
failed the test

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Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[Bill Prince]

Not just a prince, but I am, in fact, Prince William.

I write that on all my legal documents.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 11/18/2016 10:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


You may continue to use the royal “we” since you are a Prince.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 12:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

and neither is @part15...@gmail.com

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 11/18/2016 10:34 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Royal we is out, referring to yourself in the third person is in. 
Preferably beginning with @.


As in @chuckmccown is not amused.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 12:16 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

The royal “we”...

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Friday, November 18, 2016 11:07 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

What do you mean "we"

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:48 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Sorry Ray, we are a tough crowd at times!

*From:*Chris Wright

*Sent:*Friday, November 18, 2016 10:14 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

Multicast probably isn’t even necessary to justify this,
judging by what appears to be the default resolution of the
test video. Let’s be generous with our assumptions and assume
these laptops are 1920x1080 native resolution. Given this
assumption, we can infer that the test video’s resolution
about ½ of this, based on the attached screenshot of the
video. So we have a 960x540 resolution video to playback. What
of bitrate? Let’s be generous again and give it 1800kbps for
video, 192kbps for audio, totaling to a hair under 2mbps per
stream (real-world for this resolution encoded in h.264 you
can expect about 1200-1400kbps to work beautifully.)

So now things are starting to seem less groundbreaking – this
is a 2mbps test video being streamed to 50 clients in the same
room, with perfect or near-perfect line of sight to each.
Total aggregate traffic is 100mbps on N/AC.

I’m far too jaded by whitepapers, so I’ll keep to this
assumption until Cambium gives us real numbers.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 8:00 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

I was not thinking multicast.  Do you think this is multicast?

*From:*Josh Reynolds

*Sent:*Friday, November 18, 2016 8:58 AM

    *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

Not watching the video, but doing this with multicast is easy.
50 different 7-25Mbps streams would be much more difficult.

On Nov 18, 2016 9:36 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I would be interested in seeing the same video showing them
streaming 50 football games at the same time. Animations
compress pretty tight.

*From:*Ray Savich

*Sent:*Friday, November 18, 2016 8:18 AM

*To:*'af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>'

*Subject:*[AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

cnPilot WiFi E400 indoor and E500 outdoor solutions
demonstrate simultaneous video streaming to 50
clients.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfP2D019JYw

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Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[Josh Luthman]

/slap

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 18, 2016 1:57 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> You may continue to use the royal “we” since you are a Prince.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 12:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users
>
>
>
> and neither is @part15...@gmail.com
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
> On 11/18/2016 10:34 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Royal we is out, referring to yourself in the third person is in.
> Preferably beginning with @.
>
>
>
> As in @chuckmccown is not amused.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 12:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users
>
>
>
> The royal “we”...
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 11:07 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users
>
>
>
> What do you mean "we"
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:48 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry Ray, we are a tough crowd at times!
>
>
>
> *From:* Chris Wright
>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 10:14 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users
>
>
>
> Multicast probably isn’t even necessary to justify this, judging by what
> appears to be the default resolution of the test video. Let’s be generous
> with our assumptions and assume these laptops are 1920x1080 native
> resolution. Given this assumption, we can infer that the test video’s
> resolution about ½ of this, based on the attached screenshot of the video.
> So we have a 960x540 resolution video to playback. What of bitrate? Let’s
> be generous again and give it 1800kbps for video, 192kbps for audio,
> totaling to a hair under 2mbps per stream (real-world for this resolution
> encoded in h.264 you can expect about 1200-1400kbps to work beautifully.)
>
>
>
> So now things are starting to seem less groundbreaking – this is a 2mbps
> test video being streamed to 50 clients in the same room, with perfect or
> near-perfect line of sight to each. Total aggregate traffic is 100mbps on
> N/AC.
>
>
>
> I’m far too jaded by whitepapers, so I’ll keep to this assumption until
> Cambium gives us real numbers.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 8:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users
>
>
>
> I was not thinking multicast.  Do you think this is multicast?
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 8:58 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users
>
>
>
> Not watching the video, but doing this with multicast is easy. 50
> different 7-25Mbps streams would be much more difficult.
>
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2016 9:36 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> I would be interested in seeing the same video showing them streaming 50
> football games at the same time.  Animations compress pretty tight.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ray Savich
>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 8:18 AM
>
> *To:* 'af@afmug.com'
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users
>
>
>
> cnPilot WiFi E400 indoor and E500 outdoor solutions demonstrate
> simultaneous video streaming to 50 clients. https://www.youtube.
> com/watch?v=SfP2D019JYw
>
>
>
> Join the Conversation
>
> Cambium Networks Community Forum <http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[Ken Hohhof]

You may continue to use the royal “we” since you are a Prince.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

and neither is @part15...@gmail.com

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
 

On 11/18/2016 10:34 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Royal we is out, referring to yourself in the third person is in.  Preferably 
beginning with @.

 

As in @chuckmccown is not amused.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

The royal “we”...

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:07 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

What do you mean "we"

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:48 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Sorry Ray, we are a tough crowd at times!

 

From: Chris Wright 

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:14 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

Multicast probably isn’t even necessary to justify this, judging by what 
appears to be the default resolution of the test video. Let’s be generous with 
our assumptions and assume these laptops are 1920x1080 native resolution. Given 
this assumption, we can infer that the test video’s resolution about ½ of this, 
based on the attached screenshot of the video. So we have a 960x540 resolution 
video to playback. What of bitrate? Let’s be generous again and give it 
1800kbps for video, 192kbps for audio, totaling to a hair under 2mbps per 
stream (real-world for this resolution encoded in h.264 you can expect about 
1200-1400kbps to work beautifully.)

 

So now things are starting to seem less groundbreaking – this is a 2mbps test 
video being streamed to 50 clients in the same room, with perfect or 
near-perfect line of sight to each. Total aggregate traffic is 100mbps on N/AC. 

 

I’m far too jaded by whitepapers, so I’ll keep to this assumption until Cambium 
gives us real numbers.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

I was not thinking multicast.  Do you think this is multicast?

 

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:58 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

Not watching the video, but doing this with multicast is easy. 50 different 
7-25Mbps streams would be much more difficult.

 

On Nov 18, 2016 9:36 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

I would be interested in seeing the same video showing them streaming 50 
football games at the same time.  Animations compress pretty tight.

 

From: Ray Savich 

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:18 AM

To: 'af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> ' 

Subject: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

cnPilot WiFi E400 indoor and E500 outdoor solutions demonstrate simultaneous 
video streaming to 50 clients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfP2D019JYw 

 

Join the Conversation

 <http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/> Cambium Networks Community Forum

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[Bill Prince]

and neither is @part15...@gmail.com

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 11/18/2016 10:34 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Royal we is out, referring to yourself in the third person is in. 
Preferably beginning with @.


As in @chuckmccown is not amused.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 12:16 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

The royal “we”...

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Friday, November 18, 2016 11:07 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

What do you mean "we"

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:48 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


Sorry Ray, we are a tough crowd at times!

*From:*Chris Wright

*Sent:*Friday, November 18, 2016 10:14 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

Multicast probably isn’t even necessary to justify this, judging
by what appears to be the default resolution of the test video.
Let’s be generous with our assumptions and assume these laptops
are 1920x1080 native resolution. Given this assumption, we can
infer that the test video’s resolution about ½ of this, based on
the attached screenshot of the video. So we have a 960x540
resolution video to playback. What of bitrate? Let’s be generous
again and give it 1800kbps for video, 192kbps for audio, totaling
to a hair under 2mbps per stream (real-world for this resolution
encoded in h.264 you can expect about 1200-1400kbps to work
beautifully.)

So now things are starting to seem less groundbreaking – this is a
2mbps test video being streamed to 50 clients in the same room,
with perfect or near-perfect line of sight to each. Total
aggregate traffic is 100mbps on N/AC.

I’m far too jaded by whitepapers, so I’ll keep to this assumption
until Cambium gives us real numbers.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 8:00 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

I was not thinking multicast.  Do you think this is multicast?

*From:*Josh Reynolds

*Sent:*Friday, November 18, 2016 8:58 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

Not watching the video, but doing this with multicast is easy. 50
different 7-25Mbps streams would be much more difficult.

On Nov 18, 2016 9:36 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I would be interested in seeing the same video showing them
streaming 50 football games at the same time. Animations compress
pretty tight.

*From:*Ray Savich

*Sent:*Friday, November 18, 2016 8:18 AM

*To:*'af@afmug.com'

*Subject:*[AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

cnPilot WiFi E400 indoor and E500 outdoor solutions demonstrate
simultaneous video streaming to 50
clients.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfP2D019JYw

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Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[chuck]

Chuck McCown  is too old to adopt anything that is “in”

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

Royal we is out, referring to yourself in the third person is in.  Preferably 
beginning with @.

 

As in @chuckmccown is not amused.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

The royal “we”...

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:07 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

What do you mean "we"

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:48 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Sorry Ray, we are a tough crowd at times!

   

  From: Chris Wright 

  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:14 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

   

  Multicast probably isn’t even necessary to justify this, judging by what 
appears to be the default resolution of the test video. Let’s be generous with 
our assumptions and assume these laptops are 1920x1080 native resolution. Given 
this assumption, we can infer that the test video’s resolution about ½ of this, 
based on the attached screenshot of the video. So we have a 960x540 resolution 
video to playback. What of bitrate? Let’s be generous again and give it 
1800kbps for video, 192kbps for audio, totaling to a hair under 2mbps per 
stream (real-world for this resolution encoded in h.264 you can expect about 
1200-1400kbps to work beautifully.)

   

  So now things are starting to seem less groundbreaking – this is a 2mbps test 
video being streamed to 50 clients in the same room, with perfect or 
near-perfect line of sight to each. Total aggregate traffic is 100mbps on N/AC. 

   

  I’m far too jaded by whitepapers, so I’ll keep to this assumption until 
Cambium gives us real numbers.

   

  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:00 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

   

  I was not thinking multicast.  Do you think this is multicast?

   

  From: Josh Reynolds 

  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:58 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

   

  Not watching the video, but doing this with multicast is easy. 50 different 
7-25Mbps streams would be much more difficult.

   

  On Nov 18, 2016 9:36 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I would be interested in seeing the same video showing them streaming 50 
football games at the same time.  Animations compress pretty tight.

   

  From: Ray Savich 

  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:18 AM

  To: 'af@afmug.com' 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

   

  cnPilot WiFi E400 indoor and E500 outdoor solutions demonstrate simultaneous 
video streaming to 50 clients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfP2D019JYw 

   

  Join the Conversation

  Cambium Networks Community Forum

   

 

Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[Ken Hohhof]

Royal we is out, referring to yourself in the third person is in.  Preferably 
beginning with @.

 

As in @chuckmccown is not amused.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

The royal “we”...

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:07 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

What do you mean "we"

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:48 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Sorry Ray, we are a tough crowd at times!

 

From: Chris Wright 

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:14 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

Multicast probably isn’t even necessary to justify this, judging by what 
appears to be the default resolution of the test video. Let’s be generous with 
our assumptions and assume these laptops are 1920x1080 native resolution. Given 
this assumption, we can infer that the test video’s resolution about ½ of this, 
based on the attached screenshot of the video. So we have a 960x540 resolution 
video to playback. What of bitrate? Let’s be generous again and give it 
1800kbps for video, 192kbps for audio, totaling to a hair under 2mbps per 
stream (real-world for this resolution encoded in h.264 you can expect about 
1200-1400kbps to work beautifully.)

 

So now things are starting to seem less groundbreaking – this is a 2mbps test 
video being streamed to 50 clients in the same room, with perfect or 
near-perfect line of sight to each. Total aggregate traffic is 100mbps on N/AC. 

 

I’m far too jaded by whitepapers, so I’ll keep to this assumption until Cambium 
gives us real numbers.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

I was not thinking multicast.  Do you think this is multicast?

 

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:58 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

Not watching the video, but doing this with multicast is easy. 50 different 
7-25Mbps streams would be much more difficult.

 

On Nov 18, 2016 9:36 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

I would be interested in seeing the same video showing them streaming 50 
football games at the same time.  Animations compress pretty tight.

 

From: Ray Savich 

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:18 AM

To: 'af@afmug.com' 

Subject: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

cnPilot WiFi E400 indoor and E500 outdoor solutions demonstrate simultaneous 
video streaming to 50 clients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfP2D019JYw 

 

Join the Conversation

 <http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/> Cambium Networks Community Forum

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[Ray Savich]

I am getting the details for you. Good questions.
Ray

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Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[chuck]

The royal “we”...

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

What do you mean "we"


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:48 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Sorry Ray, we are a tough crowd at times!

  From: Chris Wright 
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:14 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

  Multicast probably isn’t even necessary to justify this, judging by what 
appears to be the default resolution of the test video. Let’s be generous with 
our assumptions and assume these laptops are 1920x1080 native resolution. Given 
this assumption, we can infer that the test video’s resolution about ½ of this, 
based on the attached screenshot of the video. So we have a 960x540 resolution 
video to playback. What of bitrate? Let’s be generous again and give it 
1800kbps for video, 192kbps for audio, totaling to a hair under 2mbps per 
stream (real-world for this resolution encoded in h.264 you can expect about 
1200-1400kbps to work beautifully.)



  So now things are starting to seem less groundbreaking – this is a 2mbps test 
video being streamed to 50 clients in the same room, with perfect or 
near-perfect line of sight to each. Total aggregate traffic is 100mbps on N/AC. 



  I’m far too jaded by whitepapers, so I’ll keep to this assumption until 
Cambium gives us real numbers.



  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:00 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users



  I was not thinking multicast.  Do you think this is multicast?



  From: Josh Reynolds 

  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:58 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users



  Not watching the video, but doing this with multicast is easy. 50 different 
7-25Mbps streams would be much more difficult.



  On Nov 18, 2016 9:36 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I would be interested in seeing the same video showing them streaming 50 
football games at the same time.  Animations compress pretty tight.



  From: Ray Savich 

  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:18 AM

  To: 'af@afmug.com' 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users



  cnPilot WiFi E400 indoor and E500 outdoor solutions demonstrate simultaneous 
video streaming to 50 clients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfP2D019JYw 



  Join the Conversation

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Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[Josh Luthman]

What do you mean "we"


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:48 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Sorry Ray, we are a tough crowd at times!
>
> *From:* Chris Wright
> *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 10:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users
>
>
> Multicast probably isn’t even necessary to justify this, judging by what
> appears to be the default resolution of the test video. Let’s be generous
> with our assumptions and assume these laptops are 1920x1080 native
> resolution. Given this assumption, we can infer that the test video’s
> resolution about ½ of this, based on the attached screenshot of the video.
> So we have a 960x540 resolution video to playback. What of bitrate? Let’s
> be generous again and give it 1800kbps for video, 192kbps for audio,
> totaling to a hair under 2mbps per stream (real-world for this resolution
> encoded in h.264 you can expect about 1200-1400kbps to work beautifully.)
>
>
>
> So now things are starting to seem less groundbreaking – this is a 2mbps
> test video being streamed to 50 clients in the same room, with perfect or
> near-perfect line of sight to each. Total aggregate traffic is 100mbps on
> N/AC.
>
>
>
> I’m far too jaded by whitepapers, so I’ll keep to this assumption until
> Cambium gives us real numbers.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 8:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users
>
>
>
> I was not thinking multicast.  Do you think this is multicast?
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 8:58 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users
>
>
>
> Not watching the video, but doing this with multicast is easy. 50
> different 7-25Mbps streams would be much more difficult.
>
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2016 9:36 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> I would be interested in seeing the same video showing them streaming 50
> football games at the same time.  Animations compress pretty tight.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ray Savich
>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 8:18 AM
>
> *To:* 'af@afmug.com'
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users
>
>
>
> cnPilot WiFi E400 indoor and E500 outdoor solutions demonstrate
> simultaneous video streaming to 50 clients. https://www.youtube.
> com/watch?v=SfP2D019JYw
>
>
>
> Join the Conversation
>
> Cambium Networks Community Forum <http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[chuck]

Sorry Ray, we are a tough crowd at times!

From: Chris Wright 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

Multicast probably isn’t even necessary to justify this, judging by what 
appears to be the default resolution of the test video. Let’s be generous with 
our assumptions and assume these laptops are 1920x1080 native resolution. Given 
this assumption, we can infer that the test video’s resolution about ½ of this, 
based on the attached screenshot of the video. So we have a 960x540 resolution 
video to playback. What of bitrate? Let’s be generous again and give it 
1800kbps for video, 192kbps for audio, totaling to a hair under 2mbps per 
stream (real-world for this resolution encoded in h.264 you can expect about 
1200-1400kbps to work beautifully.)

 

So now things are starting to seem less groundbreaking – this is a 2mbps test 
video being streamed to 50 clients in the same room, with perfect or 
near-perfect line of sight to each. Total aggregate traffic is 100mbps on N/AC. 

 

I’m far too jaded by whitepapers, so I’ll keep to this assumption until Cambium 
gives us real numbers.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

I was not thinking multicast.  Do you think this is multicast?

 

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:58 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

Not watching the video, but doing this with multicast is easy. 50 different 
7-25Mbps streams would be much more difficult.

 

On Nov 18, 2016 9:36 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I would be interested in seeing the same video showing them streaming 50 
football games at the same time.  Animations compress pretty tight.

 

From: Ray Savich 

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:18 AM

To: 'af@afmug.com' 

Subject: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

 

cnPilot WiFi E400 indoor and E500 outdoor solutions demonstrate simultaneous 
video streaming to 50 clients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfP2D019JYw 

 

Join the Conversation

Cambium Networks Community Forum

 

Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[Chris Wright]

Multicast probably isn’t even necessary to justify this, judging by what 
appears to be the default resolution of the test video. Let’s be generous with 
our assumptions and assume these laptops are 1920x1080 native resolution. Given 
this assumption, we can infer that the test video’s resolution about ½ of this, 
based on the attached screenshot of the video. So we have a 960x540 resolution 
video to playback. What of bitrate? Let’s be generous again and give it 
1800kbps for video, 192kbps for audio, totaling to a hair under 2mbps per 
stream (real-world for this resolution encoded in h.264 you can expect about 
1200-1400kbps to work beautifully.)

So now things are starting to seem less groundbreaking – this is a 2mbps test 
video being streamed to 50 clients in the same room, with perfect or 
near-perfect line of sight to each. Total aggregate traffic is 100mbps on N/AC.

I’m far too jaded by whitepapers, so I’ll keep to this assumption until Cambium 
gives us real numbers.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

I was not thinking multicast.  Do you think this is multicast?

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users


Not watching the video, but doing this with multicast is easy. 50 different 
7-25Mbps streams would be much more difficult.

On Nov 18, 2016 9:36 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I would be interested in seeing the same video showing them streaming 50 
football games at the same time.  Animations compress pretty tight.

From: Ray Savich
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:18 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

cnPilot WiFi E400 indoor and E500 outdoor solutions demonstrate simultaneous 
video streaming to 50 clients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfP2D019JYw

Join the Conversation
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Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[chuck]

I was not thinking multicast.  Do you think this is multicast?

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

Not watching the video, but doing this with multicast is easy. 50 different 
7-25Mbps streams would be much more difficult.


On Nov 18, 2016 9:36 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I would be interested in seeing the same video showing them streaming 50 
football games at the same time.  Animations compress pretty tight.

  From: Ray Savich 
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:18 AM
  To: 'af@afmug.com' 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

  cnPilot WiFi E400 indoor and E500 outdoor solutions demonstrate simultaneous 
video streaming to 50 clients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfP2D019JYw 



  Join the Conversation

  Cambium Networks Community Forum

Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[Josh Reynolds]

Not watching the video, but doing this with multicast is easy. 50 different
7-25Mbps streams would be much more difficult.

On Nov 18, 2016 9:36 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I would be interested in seeing the same video showing them streaming 50
> football games at the same time.  Animations compress pretty tight.
>
> *From:* Ray Savich
> *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 8:18 AM
> *To:* 'af@afmug.com'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users
>
>
> cnPilot WiFi E400 indoor and E500 outdoor solutions demonstrate
> simultaneous video streaming to 50 clients. https://www.youtube.
> com/watch?v=SfP2D019JYw
>
>
>
> Join the Conversation
>
> Cambium Networks Community Forum <http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[Nate Burke]

Is there anywhere that actually documents anything with the test? 
Throughput per Machine, Total throughput at AP.  Single AP or multiple 
AP setup?  (the video shows 2 physical AP units)  Signal levels, noise?  
Anything?  The video is cool and all, but really doesn't prove anything 
without more data.


On 11/18/2016 9:36 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I would be interested in seeing the same video showing them streaming 
50 football games at the same time. Animations compress pretty tight.

*From:* Ray Savich
*Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 8:18 AM
*To:* 'af@afmug.com'
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

cnPilot WiFi E400 indoor and E500 outdoor solutions demonstrate 
simultaneous video streaming to 50 
clients.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfP2D019JYw


Join the Conversation

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Re: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[chuck]

I would be interested in seeing the same video showing them streaming 50 
football games at the same time.  Animations compress pretty tight.

From: Ray Savich 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:18 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

cnPilot WiFi E400 indoor and E500 outdoor solutions demonstrate simultaneous 
video streaming to 50 clients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfP2D019JYw 

 

Join the Conversation

Cambium Networks Community Forum

 

[AFMUG] Streaming video to 50 simultaneous users

[Ray Savich]

cnPilot WiFi E400 indoor and E500 outdoor solutions demonstrate simultaneous 
video streaming to 50 clients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfP2D019JYw

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Re: [AFMUG] streaming video

[Ken Hohhof]

Worlds like “unlimited” may not have the usual meaning to mobile carriers.  
Oops, it looks like you hit the un-limit.


From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 12:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] streaming video


Unlimited...but that wasn't the point :). 

Is a 10 meg package the average now (to sell) 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone


- Reply message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] streaming video
Date: Wed, Feb 4, 2015 11:03 PM




RIP data allowance

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 4, 2015 10:58 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:


  streaming a program i watch regularly on demand - using my vzw hotspot.
  running 9 to 18 meg and streaming in HD

Re: [AFMUG] streaming video

[David Milholen]

Well if we are all placed under title II I want a  Netflix hub in my 
core LOL


On 2/5/2015 12:09 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


I think they just let it go as quick as it can to offload the data asap

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 4, 2015 11:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:



Unlimited...but that wasn't the point :).

Is a 10 meg package the average now (to sell)

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] streaming video
Date: Wed, Feb 4, 2015 11:03 PM


RIP data allowance

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 4, 2015 10:58 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

streaming a program i watch regularly on demand - using my
vzw hotspot.
running 9 to 18 meg and streaming in HD



--

Re: [AFMUG] streaming video

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Unlimited...but that wasn't the point :). 

Is a 10 meg package the average now (to sell) 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] streaming video
Date: Wed, Feb 4, 2015 11:03 PM
RIP data allowance
Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 4, 2015 10:58 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:






 
streaming a program i watch regularly on demand - using 
my vzw hotspot.
running 9 to 18 meg and streaming in HD
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] streaming video

[Josh Luthman]

I think they just let it go as quick as it can to offload the data asap

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 4, 2015 11:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net
wrote:


 Unlimited...but that wasn't the point :).

 Is a 10 meg package the average now (to sell)

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

 - Reply message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] streaming video
 Date: Wed, Feb 4, 2015 11:03 PM


 RIP data allowance

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Feb 4, 2015 10:58 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net
 wrote:


 streaming a program i watch regularly on demand - using my vzw hotspot.
 running 9 to 18 meg and streaming in HD

Re: [AFMUG] streaming video

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

45 min into it1.6 gig 
Wow 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] streaming video
Date: Wed, Feb 4, 2015 11:09 PM
I think they just let it go as quick as it can to offload the data asap
Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 4, 2015 11:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:
Unlimited...but that wasn't the point :). 

Is a 10 meg package the average now (to sell) 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] streaming video
Date: Wed, Feb 4, 2015 11:03 PM


RIP data allowance
Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 4, 2015 10:58 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:






 
streaming a program i watch regularly on demand - using 
my vzw hotspot.
running 9 to 18 meg and streaming in HD
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] streaming video

[Josh Luthman]

RIP data allowance

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 4, 2015 10:58 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net
wrote:


 streaming a program i watch regularly on demand - using my vzw hotspot.
 running 9 to 18 meg and streaming in HD