Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[David Milholen]

TG on the modernization.

I almost threw up when WDS peering was mentioned :)



On 8/18/2017 1:02 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi using a 
UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using WDS 
peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I had the 
tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access point which 
is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the campground 
manager is saying that some of her customers can't connect to the 
internet and they used to be able to connect to APs with different 
SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line.  Am I correct that all the 
radios need the same SSID?


Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.


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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Rory Conaway]

Josh, you are missing my point that one radio, half-duplex, still has the 1/n 
issue, which was what I said originally.  And smack yourself for me ☺.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 6:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

No shit. Really? I had no idea. :)

One access radio, on backhaul radio. Integrated. No waiting for the access side 
airwaves to clear to forward data to the uplink like in store a forward 
repeating.

Exactly what I said earlier.

On Aug 18, 2017 7:03 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Only 1 radio is the backhaul.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

Yep, mesh pro is 3x3, simultaneous dual band. Mesh is 2x2 simultaneous dual 
band.

Supports multiple non-simultaneous uplinks, with auto failover.

On Aug 18, 2017 5:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
Will check when I get through this damn traffic

On Aug 18, 2017 5:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
Uh, no. Mesh pro is dual radio simultaneous, mu-mimo. 3x3 I believe as well. 
Have a few on my yard.

On Aug 18, 2017 5:13 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Yea but they are 2x2 AC radios.  You start with 300Mbps, drop to 150, then 
75Mbps and that's only on the 3rd radio so who cares. I don't know any RV Parks 
guaranteeing 50Mbps clients.  We tested 18Mbps on the 3rd hop all day long with 
100 people connected to 3 APs so I'm pretty confident in it.

Rory


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 12:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?

Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.
>
> Rory
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On 
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
>
> if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright 
> <ch...@velociter.net<mailto:ch...@velociter.net>
> <mailto:ch...@velociter.net<mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>> wrote:
>
> Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
> their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
> cross-vendors though.
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>] *On Behalf Of 
> *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> 
> <mailto:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
> ssid, same channel.
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" 
> <par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>> 
> wrote:
>
> We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
> using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
> WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
> had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
> point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
> campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
> connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
> with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
> correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>
> Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Josh Reynolds]

No shit. Really? I had no idea. :)

One access radio, on backhaul radio. Integrated. No waiting for the access
side airwaves to clear to forward data to the uplink like in store a
forward repeating.

Exactly what I said earlier.

On Aug 18, 2017 7:03 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> Only 1 radio is the backhaul.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 4:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
>
>
> Yep, mesh pro is 3x3, simultaneous dual band. Mesh is 2x2 simultaneous
> dual band.
>
>
>
> Supports multiple non-simultaneous uplinks, with auto failover.
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 5:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
> Will check when I get through this damn traffic
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 5:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
> Uh, no. Mesh pro is dual radio simultaneous, mu-mimo. 3x3 I believe as
> well. Have a few on my yard.
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 5:13 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
> Yea but they are 2x2 AC radios.  You start with 300Mbps, drop to 150, then
> 75Mbps and that's only on the 3rd radio so who cares. I don't know any RV
> Parks guaranteeing 50Mbps clients.  We tested 18Mbps on the 3rd hop all day
> long with 100 people connected to 3 APs so I'm pretty confident in it.
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 12:59 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?
>
> Rory Conaway wrote:
> >
> > Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.
> >
> > Rory
> >
> > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
> >
> > ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
> >
> > if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net
> > <mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
> > their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
> > cross-vendors though.
> >
> > Chris Wright
> >
> > Network Administrator
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
> >
>
> > Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
> > ssid, same channel.
> >
> > On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
> > <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
> >
>
> > We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
> > using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
> > WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
> > had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
> > point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
> > campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
> > connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
> > with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
> > correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
> >
> > Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
> >
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Rory Conaway]

Only 1 radio is the backhaul.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

Yep, mesh pro is 3x3, simultaneous dual band. Mesh is 2x2 simultaneous dual 
band.

Supports multiple non-simultaneous uplinks, with auto failover.

On Aug 18, 2017 5:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
Will check when I get through this damn traffic

On Aug 18, 2017 5:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
Uh, no. Mesh pro is dual radio simultaneous, mu-mimo. 3x3 I believe as well. 
Have a few on my yard.

On Aug 18, 2017 5:13 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Yea but they are 2x2 AC radios.  You start with 300Mbps, drop to 150, then 
75Mbps and that's only on the 3rd radio so who cares. I don't know any RV Parks 
guaranteeing 50Mbps clients.  We tested 18Mbps on the 3rd hop all day long with 
100 people connected to 3 APs so I'm pretty confident in it.

Rory


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 12:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?

Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.
>
> Rory
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On 
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
>
> if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright 
> <ch...@velociter.net<mailto:ch...@velociter.net>
> <mailto:ch...@velociter.net<mailto:ch...@velociter.net>>> wrote:
>
> Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
> their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
> cross-vendors though.
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>
> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>] *On Behalf Of 
> *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> 
> <mailto:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
> ssid, same channel.
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" 
> <par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>> 
> wrote:
>
> We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
> using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
> WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
> had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
> point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
> campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
> connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
> with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
> correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>
> Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Josh Reynolds]

Yep, mesh pro is 3x3, simultaneous dual band. Mesh is 2x2 simultaneous dual
band.

Supports multiple non-simultaneous uplinks, with auto failover.

On Aug 18, 2017 5:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Will check when I get through this damn traffic
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 5:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> Uh, no. Mesh pro is dual radio simultaneous, mu-mimo. 3x3 I believe as
>> well. Have a few on my yard.
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017 5:13 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>>
>> Yea but they are 2x2 AC radios.  You start with 300Mbps, drop to 150,
>> then 75Mbps and that's only on the 3rd radio so who cares. I don't know any
>> RV Parks guaranteeing 50Mbps clients.  We tested 18Mbps on the 3rd hop all
>> day long with 100 people connected to 3 APs so I'm pretty confident in it.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 12:59 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>>
>> That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?
>>
>> Rory Conaway wrote:
>> >
>> > Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.
>> >
>> > Rory
>> >
>> > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> > *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>> >
>> > ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
>> >
>> > if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net
>> > <mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
>> > their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
>> > cross-vendors though.
>> >
>> > Chris Wright
>> >
>> > Network Administrator
>> >
>> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> > *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>> >
>> > Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
>> > ssid, same channel.
>> >
>> > On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>> > <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>> >
>> > We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
>> > using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
>> > WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
>> > had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
>> > point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
>> > campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
>> > connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
>> > with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
>> > correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>> >
>> > Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>> >
>> >
>> > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_sou
>> rce=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Josh Reynolds]

Will check when I get through this damn traffic

On Aug 18, 2017 5:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Uh, no. Mesh pro is dual radio simultaneous, mu-mimo. 3x3 I believe as
> well. Have a few on my yard.
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 5:13 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
> Yea but they are 2x2 AC radios.  You start with 300Mbps, drop to 150, then
> 75Mbps and that's only on the 3rd radio so who cares. I don't know any RV
> Parks guaranteeing 50Mbps clients.  We tested 18Mbps on the 3rd hop all day
> long with 100 people connected to 3 APs so I'm pretty confident in it.
>
> Rory
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 12:59 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?
>
> Rory Conaway wrote:
> >
> > Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.
> >
> > Rory
> >
> > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
> >
> > ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
> >
> > if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net
> > <mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
> > their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
> > cross-vendors though.
> >
> > Chris Wright
> >
> > Network Administrator
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
> >
> > Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
> > ssid, same channel.
> >
> > On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
> > <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
> >
> > We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
> > using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
> > WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
> > had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
> > point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
> > campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
> > connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
> > with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
> > correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
> >
> > Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Josh Reynolds]

Uh, no. Mesh pro is dual radio simultaneous, mu-mimo. 3x3 I believe as
well. Have a few on my yard.

On Aug 18, 2017 5:13 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

Yea but they are 2x2 AC radios.  You start with 300Mbps, drop to 150, then
75Mbps and that's only on the 3rd radio so who cares. I don't know any RV
Parks guaranteeing 50Mbps clients.  We tested 18Mbps on the 3rd hop all day
long with 100 people connected to 3 APs so I'm pretty confident in it.

Rory


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 12:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?

Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.
>
> Rory
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
>
> if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net
> <mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
>
> Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
> their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
> cross-vendors though.
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>     *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
> ssid, same channel.
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>
> We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
> using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
> WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
> had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
> point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
> campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
> connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
> with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
> correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>
> Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Rory Conaway]

Yea but they are 2x2 AC radios.  You start with 300Mbps, drop to 150, then 
75Mbps and that's only on the 3rd radio so who cares. I don't know any RV Parks 
guaranteeing 50Mbps clients.  We tested 18Mbps on the 3rd hop all day long with 
100 people connected to 3 APs so I'm pretty confident in it.

Rory


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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 12:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?

Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.
>
> Rory
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
>
> if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net 
> <mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
>
> Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
> their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
> cross-vendors though.
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
> Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
> ssid, same channel.
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>
> We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
> using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
> WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
> had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
> point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
> campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
> connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
> with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
> correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>
> Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Josh Reynolds]

Not possible. They were mistaken, or there were 1 or more other devices
onsite or nearby on the same frequency,. Which might explain the
disconnects.

On Aug 18, 2017 4:02 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> Does it make any sense that they could see use different SSIDs while using
> WDS peering?
>
> Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
>> Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same ssid,
>> same channel.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" > > wrote:
>>
>> We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
>> using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
>> WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
>> had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
>> point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
>> campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
>> connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
>> with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line.  Am I
>> correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>>
>> Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Jay Weekley]

Does it make any sense that they could see use different SSIDs while 
using WDS peering?


Josh Reynolds wrote:
Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same 
ssid, same channel.




On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" > wrote:


We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line.  Am I
correct that all the radios need the same SSID?

Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.


 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Josh Reynolds]

Store and forward does. Dual and triple radio designs help with this issue
drastically. Basically a dedicated backhaul radio on a different frequency
with multiple possible uplinks for redundancy.

On Aug 18, 2017 2:58 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

> That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?
>
> Rory Conaway wrote:
>
>>
>> Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>>
>> ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
>>
>> if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net
>> <mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
>> their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
>> cross-vendors though.
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>>
>> Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
>> ssid, same channel.
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>
>> We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
>> using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
>> WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
>> had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
>> point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
>> campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
>> connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
>> with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
>> correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>>
>> Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>>
>>
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>> source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Jay Weekley]

That's one option.  Doesn't mesh cut your bandwidth in half as well?

Rory Conaway wrote:


Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.

Rory

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone

if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net 
<mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:


Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked
their own versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work
cross-vendors though.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same
ssid, same channel.

On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line. Am I
correct that all the radios need the same SSID?

Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.


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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Rory Conaway]

Just replace all the radios with Ubiquiti mesh radios.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright 
<ch...@velociter.net<mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked their own 
versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work cross-vendors though.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same ssid, same 
channel.



On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi using a UBNT 
Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using WDS peering.  We had to 
replace dead some equipment there and I had the tech give both Picos the same 
SSID as the primary access point which is how I understood it was supposed to 
work.  Now the campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't 
connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs with 
different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line.  Am I correct that all the 
radios need the same SSID?

Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.

Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Steve Jones]

ahh, if youre on a new firmware isn't wep completely gone
if you went to the newest firmware you have to tftp to downgrade

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:

> Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked their own
> versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work cross-vendors though.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering
>
>
>
> Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same ssid,
> same channel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
> We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi using a
> UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using WDS peering.  We
> had to replace dead some equipment there and I had the tech give both Picos
> the same SSID as the primary access point which is how I understood it was
> supposed to work.  Now the campground manager is saying that some of her
> customers can't connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect
> to APs with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line.  Am I
> correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>
> Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>

Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Jay Weekley]

That's what baffles me because she swears the customers were able to 
connect to and use different SSIDs.


Josh Reynolds wrote:
Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same 
ssid, same channel.




On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" > wrote:


We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi
using a UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using
WDS peering.  We had to replace dead some equipment there and I
had the tech give both Picos the same SSID as the primary access
point which is how I understood it was supposed to work.  Now the
campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't
connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs
with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line.  Am I
correct that all the radios need the same SSID?

Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.


 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



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Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Chris Wright]

Yeah natively WDS cannot support WPA. OpenWRT and Apple baked their own 
versions of WDS to support it. I doubt they’d work cross-vendors though.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

 

Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same ssid, same 
channel.

 

 

 

On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi using a UBNT 
Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using WDS peering.  We had to 
replace dead some equipment there and I had the tech give both Picos the same 
SSID as the primary access point which is how I understood it was supposed to 
work.  Now the campground manager is saying that some of her customers can't 
connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect to APs with 
different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line.  Am I correct that all the 
radios need the same SSID?

Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.

Re: [AFMUG] WDS Peering

[Josh Reynolds]

Wds peering, from what I remember, only works with WEP. Yes, same ssid,
same channel.



On Aug 18, 2017 1:02 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> We have a campground that we purchased that was setup for WiFi using a
> UBNT Bullet as the primary AP with 2 Picos connected using WDS peering.  We
> had to replace dead some equipment there and I had the tech give both Picos
> the same SSID as the primary access point which is how I understood it was
> supposed to work.  Now the campground manager is saying that some of her
> customers can't connect to the internet and they used to be able to connect
> to APs with different SSIDs and the Picos are dropping off line.  Am I
> correct that all the radios need the same SSID?
>
> Yes, we are going to eventually modernize this site.
>