Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower
I’m not on any municipal water towers, have been on a couple private water tanks, that’s different. But I hear from other WISPs that $300-$500 is typical for maybe a couple backhaul dishes, 3-4 sectors and maybe a 900 omni. At the lower end of that price range, they might get some free Internet too. But it’s supply and demand, and location, location, location. If they have the only high structure and all the cellcos want to mount their stuff there, the real estate will be worth more and you will get squeezed out. If there are several towers in town, and this one is the crappiest one in the worst location, they might be lucky to trade it for some free Internet. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 7:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower I'm on a bunch for under $150/month in suburban Chicago. Then again, some others wanted $3,500/month. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:27:19 PM Subject: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower
I'm on a bunch for under $150/month in suburban Chicago. Then again, some others wanted $3,500/month. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:27:19 PM Subject: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower
Do the math, if you build a 180' 65G guyed tower or similar how many years does it take to pay off, at 8000 per year? On March 26, 2015 at 4:27 PM Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower
Ken No I have not asked to be placed on the village agenda for board meeting due to I am trying to figure out how to lay this all out on paper. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 6:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Have you asked to be put on the agenda for a village board meeting? Have you suggested they send out bids to all the WISPs in the area and take the highest bid? BTW, I wonder if this will get harder with cellcos using LTE-U/LAA-LTE, they may want to add 3.x and 5.x GHz to their list of exclusive use frequencies in their leases. From: Tim Reichhart mailto:t...@nwohiobb.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 Description: Image removed by sender. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower
Have you asked to be put on the agenda for a village board meeting? Have you suggested they send out bids to all the WISPs in the area and take the highest bid? BTW, I wonder if this will get harder with cellcos using LTE-U/LAA-LTE, they may want to add 3.x and 5.x GHz to their list of exclusive use frequencies in their leases. From: Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower
The population is only “2,687” From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower What is the population of the village? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 Description: Image removed by sender. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim _ Total Control Panel Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014c57e1f27c-247f8cc0-6701-437d-8558-7e3db9651711-000...@amazonses.com https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3166612287domain=litewire.net Remove https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3166612287domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list.
Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower
James There is really no competition really besides centurylink/TWC but no wisp’s in the area LOL.. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Do you have competition there? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower The population is only “2,687” From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower What is the population of the village? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 Description: Image removed by sender. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim _ Total Control Panel Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014c57e1f27c-247f8cc0-6701-437d-8558-7e3db9651711-000...@amazonses.com https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3166612287domain=litewire.net Remove https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3166612287domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list. _ Total Control Panel Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014c57e51800-335f06fd-139d-4e18-9f8a-ada750f9bea9-000...@amazonses.com https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3166625125domain=litewire.net Remove https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3166625125domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list.
Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower
Apparently we’re stingy. We usually do $1 per foot in free service to their buildings. Depends a lot on what you think the take rate might be though. Sounds like they have Centurylink fiber in the village/city. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower We do a lot of that. Depends on how bad we want the tower and what we think it will do for our customer take in the area but we try to stay around 1.00 per foot plus free internet for 2-3 city buildings Craig From: Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:02:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Don't do revenue share, it gets to complicated. Do they need Internet at some of their locations, offer a barter for that and a lower rate 100/m. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 [https://docs.google.com/a/northcentraltower.com/uc?id=0B12mNmVrr3-PbU1UMFk0OUFhOGsexport=download] On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804tel:630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291tel:630-777-9291 [Description: Image removed by sender.] On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014c57e68079-25ef992e-fd00-4e97-9b04-c0c4669df799-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3166632216domain=litewire.net Removehttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3166632216domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list.
Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower
at $50/mo per subscriber (average internet price, or whatever your average ARPU is) means you would need to have 160 subscribers just to pay the rent. how big is the town, and how many potential subs can this water tower gain you? once you show them those numbers they will usually have an ah ha moment and realize that it's just not practical. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower
8000/mo would be very high even for a rooftop site with extensive use of risers, on top of the tallest Class A office building in a city of 3-4 million. Such as the Columbia Seafirst tower in Seattle. On March 26, 2015 at 5:25 PM James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote: I think Sean read that wrong. $8000 was annual, not monthly. It would be $650 + monthly. Still takes 13 just to cover their rent before you start to even cover your other costs. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Sean The village is only around 2900 and I am thinking maybe 40-50 or more potential subs from this location. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:17 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower at $50/mo per subscriber (average internet price, or whatever your average ARPU is) means you would need to have 160 subscribers just to pay the rent. how big is the town, and how many potential subs can this water tower gain you? once you show them those numbers they will usually have an ah ha moment and realize that it's just not practical. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com mailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim - Total Control Panel Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014c57f62089-1fc4edc4-2052-4687-b9cd-c6049d3ae592-000...@amazonses.com https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3166674650domain=litewire.net Remove https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3166674650domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list.
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If you agreed to $8000 per year I will come build towers that are 125 feet tall and rent you space on them all day long Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2015, at 15:32, e...@kuhnke-international.com e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote: Do the math, if you build a 180' 65G guyed tower or similar how many years does it take to pay off, at 8000 per year? On March 26, 2015 at 4:27 PM Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
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$200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower
Don't do revenue share, it gets to complicated. Do they need Internet at some of their locations, offer a barter for that and a lower rate 100/m. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower *Importance:* Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 [image: Description: Image removed by sender.] On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
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What is the population of the village? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 [Description: Image removed by sender.] On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014c57e1f27c-247f8cc0-6701-437d-8558-7e3db9651711-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3166612287domain=litewire.net Removehttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3166612287domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list.
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We do a lot of that. Depends on how bad we want the tower and what we think it will do for our customer take in the area but we try to stay around 1.00 per foot plus free internet for 2-3 city buildings Craig - Original Message - From: Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:02:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Don't do revenue share, it gets to complicated. Do they need Internet at some of their locations, offer a barter for that and a lower rate 100/m. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “ I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
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Heck I tried to get onto an other village water tower and they wanted like 800+ per month because they used to having cell phone company on there water tower and they are telling me same thing as this village is telling me “doubt if the village council be interested in renting space for that price per month ” I don’t know what these villages managers are trying get at here but its making me mad. I don’t know what trick is getting onto these water towers but these are key locations for my wisp get onto. I wish I had more contracts to have an stand on I only got maybe 3 contracts from other local villages around me who have other wisp there water towers. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low Apparently we’re stingy. We usually do $1 per foot in free service to their buildings. Depends a lot on what you think the take rate might be though. Sounds like they have Centurylink fiber in the village/city. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower We do a lot of that. Depends on how bad we want the tower and what we think it will do for our customer take in the area but we try to stay around 1.00 per foot plus free internet for 2-3 city buildings Craig _ From: Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:02:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Don't do revenue share, it gets to complicated. Do they need Internet at some of their locations, offer a barter for that and a lower rate 100/m. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 Description: Image removed by sender. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 Description: Description: Image removed by sender. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim _ Total Control Panel Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014c57e68079-25ef992e-fd00-4e97-9b04-c0c4669df799-000...@amazonses.com https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3166632216domain=litewire.net Remove https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3166632216domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list.
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Sean The village is only around 2900 and I am thinking maybe 40-50 or more potential subs from this location. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower at $50/mo per subscriber (average internet price, or whatever your average ARPU is) means you would need to have 160 subscribers just to pay the rent. how big is the town, and how many potential subs can this water tower gain you? once you show them those numbers they will usually have an ah ha moment and realize that it's just not practical. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
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One of they key messages to remind them of: There are two categories of tenants, generally. First category: Sprint, Verizon, TMobile, etc. Or an ILEC. second category: WISPs If the big name cellular carriers have not already leased space on their water tower, they are highly unlikely to do so any time in the near future. Holding out lease rates of $500 per month or more are not going to accomplish anything. On March 26, 2015 at 5:17 PM Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: at $50/mo per subscriber (average internet price, or whatever your average ARPU is) means you would need to have 160 subscribers just to pay the rent. how big is the town, and how many potential subs can this water tower gain you? once you show them those numbers they will usually have an ah ha moment and realize that it's just not practical. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com mailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
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James I don’t mind doing 200-250 but when they asking more then that it seems like they arm strong you to giving them more just to rent space for little sectors unlike celluar sectors… Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low The trouble is that having other contracts doesn’t help. We have one that we’re giving a $49 connection to for use of their tower (80’ tower but it’s very wooded) and paying them until they allow us to put the connection in at their office. We’re negotiating with another nearby village who are acting something like the one you’re dealing with. We just read the minutes from their last meeting and they claimed that they talked to the other village and were told that we’re paying them $299 per month. There’s quite a bit of difference between $49 per month and $299 per month……. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Heck I tried to get onto an other village water tower and they wanted like 800+ per month because they used to having cell phone company on there water tower and they are telling me same thing as this village is telling me “doubt if the village council be interested in renting space for that price per month ” I don’t know what these villages managers are trying get at here but its making me mad. I don’t know what trick is getting onto these water towers but these are key locations for my wisp get onto. I wish I had more contracts to have an stand on I only got maybe 3 contracts from other local villages around me who have other wisp there water towers. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low Apparently we’re stingy. We usually do $1 per foot in free service to their buildings. Depends a lot on what you think the take rate might be though. Sounds like they have Centurylink fiber in the village/city. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower We do a lot of that. Depends on how bad we want the tower and what we think it will do for our customer take in the area but we try to stay around 1.00 per foot plus free internet for 2-3 city buildings Craig _ From: Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:02:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Don't do revenue share, it gets to complicated. Do they need Internet at some of their locations, offer a barter for that and a lower rate 100/m. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 Description: Image removed by sender. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 Description: Description: Image removed by sender. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them
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Find another tower or build one. If they have big numbers in their head you're not going to convince them to lease it for a fraction of that. We wasted months working on a village tower here, never got them to understand true value id the space. Years later their tower is still empty. On Mar 26, 2015 4:59 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower *Importance:* Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 [image: Description: Image removed by sender.] On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
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Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 Description: Image removed by sender. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
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Erich If they are renting fiber from centurylink I highly doubt they net at each location. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Don't do revenue share, it gets to complicated. Do they need Internet at some of their locations, offer a barter for that and a lower rate 100/m. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 Description: Image removed by sender. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 Description: Description: Image removed by sender. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
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Do you have competition there? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower The population is only “2,687” From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:01 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower What is the population of the village? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:59 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 [Description: Image removed by sender.] On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014c57e1f27c-247f8cc0-6701-437d-8558-7e3db9651711-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3166612287domain=litewire.net Removehttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3166612287domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list. Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014c57e51800-335f06fd-139d-4e18-9f8a-ada750f9bea9-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3166625125domain=litewire.net Removehttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3166625125domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list.
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Most expensive I have is 100/antenna/month. No more than that IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 26, 2015 5:05 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Erich If they are renting fiber from centurylink I highly doubt they net at each location. Tim *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:02 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Don't do revenue share, it gets to complicated. Do they need Internet at some of their locations, offer a barter for that and a lower rate 100/m. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 [image: Description: Image removed by sender.] On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower *Importance:* Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 [image: Description: Description: Image removed by sender.] On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
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Josh I know… and you know what I am up against. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Most expensive I have is 100/antenna/month. No more than that IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 26, 2015 5:05 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Erich If they are renting fiber from centurylink I highly doubt they net at each location. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Don't do revenue share, it gets to complicated. Do they need Internet at some of their locations, offer a barter for that and a lower rate 100/m. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 Description: Image removed by sender. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 Description: Description: Image removed by sender. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
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The trouble is that having other contracts doesn’t help. We have one that we’re giving a $49 connection to for use of their tower (80’ tower but it’s very wooded) and paying them until they allow us to put the connection in at their office. We’re negotiating with another nearby village who are acting something like the one you’re dealing with. We just read the minutes from their last meeting and they claimed that they talked to the other village and were told that we’re paying them $299 per month. There’s quite a bit of difference between $49 per month and $299 per month……. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Heck I tried to get onto an other village water tower and they wanted like 800+ per month because they used to having cell phone company on there water tower and they are telling me same thing as this village is telling me “doubt if the village council be interested in renting space for that price per month ” I don’t know what these villages managers are trying get at here but its making me mad. I don’t know what trick is getting onto these water towers but these are key locations for my wisp get onto. I wish I had more contracts to have an stand on I only got maybe 3 contracts from other local villages around me who have other wisp there water towers. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:09 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low Apparently we’re stingy. We usually do $1 per foot in free service to their buildings. Depends a lot on what you think the take rate might be though. Sounds like they have Centurylink fiber in the village/city. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:04 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower We do a lot of that. Depends on how bad we want the tower and what we think it will do for our customer take in the area but we try to stay around 1.00 per foot plus free internet for 2-3 city buildings Craig From: Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:02:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Don't do revenue share, it gets to complicated. Do they need Internet at some of their locations, offer a barter for that and a lower rate 100/m. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 [Description: Image removed by sender.] On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804tel:630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291tel:630-777-9291 [Description: Description: Image removed by sender.] On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja
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$100/month with one free internet connection is common for us. Somewhat more in some areas. Tim Reichhart wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for �renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually� Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna�s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
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Tim, If they’re at all reasonable, try showing them the numbers. Estimate on the low side and explain that there’s a ramp up period to get to the 40 customers. Show your ARPU and explain that you also have all of your other cost of doing business. If your ARPU is $50 per month, you’re looking at a $2000 per month potential revenue. Explain your overhead and show them what you’re paying for other towers even if they aren’t water towers. Also, mention to them that signing a contract with you won’t stop them from signing a deal with a cell company as well. Hopefully you can get someone to listen to reason. Another thing we’ve done is to tell people who call us from that community to call the village and tell them they want our service in town. James From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Sean The village is only around 2900 and I am thinking maybe 40-50 or more potential subs from this location. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:17 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower at $50/mo per subscriber (average internet price, or whatever your average ARPU is) means you would need to have 160 subscribers just to pay the rent. how big is the town, and how many potential subs can this water tower gain you? once you show them those numbers they will usually have an ah ha moment and realize that it's just not practical. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually” Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014c57f62089-1fc4edc4-2052-4687-b9cd-c6049d3ae592-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3166674650domain=litewire.net Removehttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3166674650domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list.
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If your capacity and network design allow for it, offer them a 100 Mbps dedicated, 5-nines SLA business class connection. That's easily worth 700/mo. Small municipalities use a surprisingly tiny amount of traffic, in a highly cyclic sine wave day and night pattern. I would be surprised if their 95th percentile average over a month is more than 10 or 15 meg per second. On March 26, 2015 at 5:22 PM Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: $100/month with one free internet connection is common for us. Somewhat more in some areas. Tim Reichhart wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for �renting a small fiber optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually� Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will be placing antenna�s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them. So I like you guys input into this. Tim
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We take pictures of our other towers and show them the sort of antennas we put up. Stress the fact that they can still rent to a cell company too. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower James I don’t mind doing 200-250 but when they asking more then that it seems like they arm strong you to giving them more just to rent space for little sectors unlike celluar sectors… Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:24 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low The trouble is that having other contracts doesn’t help. We have one that we’re giving a $49 connection to for use of their tower (80’ tower but it’s very wooded) and paying them until they allow us to put the connection in at their office. We’re negotiating with another nearby village who are acting something like the one you’re dealing with. We just read the minutes from their last meeting and they claimed that they talked to the other village and were told that we’re paying them $299 per month. There’s quite a bit of difference between $49 per month and $299 per month……. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:19 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Heck I tried to get onto an other village water tower and they wanted like 800+ per month because they used to having cell phone company on there water tower and they are telling me same thing as this village is telling me “doubt if the village council be interested in renting space for that price per month ” I don’t know what these villages managers are trying get at here but its making me mad. I don’t know what trick is getting onto these water towers but these are key locations for my wisp get onto. I wish I had more contracts to have an stand on I only got maybe 3 contracts from other local villages around me who have other wisp there water towers. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:09 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low Apparently we’re stingy. We usually do $1 per foot in free service to their buildings. Depends a lot on what you think the take rate might be though. Sounds like they have Centurylink fiber in the village/city. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:04 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower We do a lot of that. Depends on how bad we want the tower and what we think it will do for our customer take in the area but we try to stay around 1.00 per foot plus free internet for 2-3 city buildings Craig From: Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:02:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Don't do revenue share, it gets to complicated. Do they need Internet at some of their locations, offer a barter for that and a lower rate 100/m. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 [Description: Image removed by sender.] On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Importance: Low $200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804tel:630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291tel:630-777-9291 [Description: Description: Image removed by sender.] On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber
