Re: [agi] The Job market.

[James Bowery]

Actually, what is degenerate is the attempt to portray key concepts of AGI
as less than vitally involved in determining whether we suffer a civil war
over "race".   AGI is the attempt to formalize rationality in such a way
that irrationality such as "racism" is rigorously, rather than emotionally
or morally, dispatched to the dustbin of history.

Instead, what we get are attempts to regulate the outcome of rigorous model
selection criteria offered by AGI, so as to conform to widely accepted
notions of rationality -- and this is justified on _moral_ grounds.  This
is theocratic supremacy, and it will produce a conflict similar in quality
to that which killed 25% of Europe's population to escape theocratic
supremacy ending in the Peace of Westphalia after over a hundred years of
religious wars.

When I talk about the relevance of "Solomonoff Induction" to software
engineering in the context of cheap foreign labor, not only am I deadly
serious, I'm speaking from direct experience with the highest levels of
Microsoft Corporation.  To wit, not only did I go to college with Ray
Ozzie, to whom Gates turned over chief architect position, but Ray
considered me one of his more gifted colleagues -- enough so that I was one
of the few he attempted to recruit into Iris Associates circa 1985.  When
Ray took over at MS, I approached him with Solomonoff Induction's value via
what became the Hutter Prize for Lossless Compression of Human Knowledge.
Moreover, I suggested that software engineering quality be advanced at
Microsoft by offering an internal prize for the teams that could produce
ever smaller executable images that would expand into an environment
passing MS's QA for the entire suite of MS software.

Those who don't understand how this would advance the state of the art in
software quality, software engineering and AGI are, sad to say, typical of
the field -- all the more so with the addiction not only to H-1b guest
slavery, but to the highly evolved sycophancy of ancient cultures that can
smell economic rent streams from across the globe and pull out all the
stops to capture it from less highly evolved elites lulled into an opiated
sleep by monopoly profits.

Now, for the coup de grace, my dear anti-racist friends:

Theories of social causality are notoriously difficult to in/validate due
to the lack of experimental controls teasing correlation from causation.
So we're left wandering in a miasma of quasi-theological rhetoric posing as
"social science".  HOWEVER, if the combination of explosions in
bioinformatics, social data collection and computation capacity could be
brought together with Solomonoff Induction's model selection criterion of
maximally compressed data, words like "racism" might enjoy something of a
renaissance of legitimacy with rigorous operational definitions, rather
than killing off 25% of the people of the west.

I would STRONGLY advise those of you who identify with the immigrant
population, now occupying the heights of the information industry, to
relax, recognize that you don't need to block men like me from influencing
you now that we are at retirement age and can no longer threaten to take
your high levels of authority, and act like you have something to lose now
that you've captured Western Civilization's nervous system.  This is about
as friendly as I can be with supremacists.

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 7:13 PM Matthew Brown  wrote:

> Thank you.
> Yes, can we please all get off these degenerate topics and back to AGI.
>
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 4:55 PM Aurelien RAINONE <
> aurelien.rain...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What a racist, short-minded nonsense am I reading here. If you guys are
>> writing AGI, we're in the shit but as it seems: you aren't...
>>
>> At least nowadays immigrants do not kill everybody upon disembarking,
>> like WASP boat-people did years ago when they came from the actual slum
>> that was Ireland.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 29 Sep 2019, 20:15 ,  wrote:
>>
>>> Here in Los Angeles there are people living under ever bridge.
>>> They have signs that say 'Struggling artist, writer, or actor.
>>> Foreigners have all the
>>> jobs'.
>>>  You go to these foreigner counters and they are never ending scum vile
>>> of drama.
>>>  They have concept of art, acting, inventing, or AI.
>>>
>>>  Once thy kill off the the dreamer they make the LA into the counter the
>>> came from.
>>>
>>>  New out of the box ideas and concepts are fragile. And the developer
>>> will be in a weaker
>>> state. This is when they will step on you.
>>>
>>>  Trump can not build that wall fast enough.
>>>
>>>  I got a job with Rothschild Conceptions JUST in the nick of time.  This
>>> save my AZZ.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [agi] The Job market.

[Matt Mahoney]

I was going to suggest he post his resume here. Not that anyone will hire
him now after seeing this tirade, but he might get some good advice.

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 11:30 AM WriterOfMinds 
wrote:

> In the coming months, the world will pay quite dearly for fucking over
> my life.
>
> THEY WILL PAY, ALL OF THEM!!!
>
>
> That sounds like mass shooter talk. I get that you're in a rough spot, but
> promising revenge on "the world" (which happens to be full of innocent
> people) is never acceptable. Cut it out. No one deliberately ruined your
> life.
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Re: [agi] The Job market.

[keghnfeem]

Column: He died Sunday on a West L.A. sidewalk. He was homeless. He is part of 
an epidemic:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-04/homeless-deaths-los-angeles-coroner-record


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Re: [agi] The Job market.

[Matthew Brown]

Thank you.
Yes, can we please all get off these degenerate topics and back to AGI.

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 4:55 PM Aurelien RAINONE 
wrote:

> What a racist, short-minded nonsense am I reading here. If you guys are
> writing AGI, we're in the shit but as it seems: you aren't...
>
> At least nowadays immigrants do not kill everybody upon disembarking, like
> WASP boat-people did years ago when they came from the actual slum that was
> Ireland.
>
>
> On Sun, 29 Sep 2019, 20:15 ,  wrote:
>
>> Here in Los Angeles there are people living under ever bridge.
>> They have signs that say 'Struggling artist, writer, or actor. Foreigners
>> have all the
>> jobs'.
>>  You go to these foreigner counters and they are never ending scum vile
>> of drama.
>>  They have concept of art, acting, inventing, or AI.
>>
>>  Once thy kill off the the dreamer they make the LA into the counter the
>> came from.
>>
>>  New out of the box ideas and concepts are fragile. And the developer
>> will be in a weaker
>> state. This is when they will step on you.
>>
>>  Trump can not build that wall fast enough.
>>
>>  I got a job with Rothschild Conceptions JUST in the nick of time.  This
>> save my AZZ.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [agi] The Job market.

[Aurelien RAINONE]

What a racist, short-minded nonsense am I reading here. If you guys are
writing AGI, we're in the shit but as it seems: you aren't...

At least nowadays immigrants do not kill everybody upon disembarking, like
WASP boat-people did years ago when they came from the actual slum that was
Ireland.


On Sun, 29 Sep 2019, 20:15 ,  wrote:

> Here in Los Angeles there are people living under ever bridge.
> They have signs that say 'Struggling artist, writer, or actor. Foreigners
> have all the
> jobs'.
>  You go to these foreigner counters and they are never ending scum vile of
> drama.
>  They have concept of art, acting, inventing, or AI.
>
>  Once thy kill off the the dreamer they make the LA into the counter the
> came from.
>
>  New out of the box ideas and concepts are fragile. And the developer will
> be in a weaker
> state. This is when they will step on you.
>
>  Trump can not build that wall fast enough.
>
>  I got a job with Rothschild Conceptions JUST in the nick of time.  This
> save my AZZ.
>
>
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Re: [agi] The Job market.

[James Bowery]

See "Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition 
"
 for why there will be a civil war in the near future that may well destroy 
Western Civilization (at least as we know it).

Capture of network effects is the opiate of the elites.  The opiated elites can 
afford short-term profligacy such as paying a low cost per line of code in 
defiance of Solomonoff Induction, and, being opiated, they pay that price.

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Re: [agi] The Job market.

[John Rose]

On Sunday, September 29, 2019, at 3:15 AM, Alan Grimes wrote:
> THEY WILL PAY, ALL OF THEM!!!

LOL. Hang in there. IMO us engineers get better with age as long as we keep 
learning, the more you try and fail the wiser you get. Hell I got more than 10 
years on ya son and I’m still kickin’ keister!  (In my own mind at least...  A 
legend in his own mind? heheh)
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Re: [agi] The Job market.

[immortal . discoveries]

**I sorta like it. I'm in. We want change. NOW!! I got my own plan underway 
hehe. There will be the chosen and the justified ones. But the ASIs will decide 
who gets it the worst and first. Lol. Maybe.
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Re: [agi] The Job market.

[WriterOfMinds]

> In the coming months, the world will pay quite dearly for fucking over
> my life.
> 
> THEY WILL PAY, ALL OF THEM!!!

That sounds like mass shooter talk. I get that you're in a rough spot, but 
promising revenge on "the world" (which happens to be full of innocent people) 
is never acceptable. Cut it out. No one deliberately ruined your life.
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Re: [agi] The Job market.

[Alan Grimes via AGI]

keghnf...@gmail.com wrote:


??Yes Americans will pay. They are only interested in turning inward 
and have intense drama

between them.?? American turn outward and look to go to the stars.
??Yes they will ground us when they become in power. Same car model
every year nothing new anymore no more inventions.


Yep, that's precisely why the head-whackers are trying to impeach his 
lordship the Trump...?? =(((



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Re: [agi] can someone tell me what before means without saying before in it?

[John Rose]

"The graphtropy of a distinction graph, constructed relative to an observer, is 
therefore considerable as a measure of how much excessive algorithmic 
information exists in the system of observations modeled by the distinction 
graph,
relative to the observer. Or to put it more simply, the graphtropy measures how 
much more complexity there is in the environment relative to the observer."

Nice def!
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Re: [agi] The Job market.

[Arnold Müller]

refreshing to see something humane here, a real person, AGI is for the sake
of humanity after all? for a better world?

[9/29, 12:03] Arnold:
https://dev.to/tristanmastrodicasa/how-i-started-earning-35-hr-at-19-1lpn
[9/29, 12:04] Arnold: here's the 19yo version an energetic youngster on a
mission, their average age 30 the one 11 years to go the other 11 beyond
[9/29, 12:06] Arnold: a 22yr gap between their realities, the real picture
I've been facing too the last few decades
[9/29, 12:08] Arnold: what's the answers? the advice? each fights for their
survival in the cutthroat computer science field, jungle rather ,.even me
now had Anthony not organized something I'd be nowhere
[9/29, 12:13] Arnold: the 19yo making peeps lotsa $$$ he will be nursed
along say 10 years 15 maybe, the 41yo seeing no way fwd, must he become an
entrepreneur? has he money to employ young talent like that? is there only
opportunity for say 10% like him? what about the other 9 guys? and... then
me the dude another 11 years down the line up the exponential curve the
other 99 guys of who i was one 3 months ago and again in a month or two
[9/29, 12:16] Arnold: always thought it's just me or just Johannesburg or
South Africa but few years ago found out this is worldwide, the comp
science landfill fulla dead meat a rather large unspoken environmental
catastrophe, similar to plastic, it's easier making new than repurposing
the old
[9/29, 12:19] Arnold: saw this vid that hints on a glimmer of hope, how
peeps help each other reach dreams, everyone has a dream, if they can jus
get a tiny bit of help
[9/29, 12:21] Arnold: it's all about money it's become impossibly expensive
to live on this planet, the Earth cost of living
[9/29, 12:24] Arnold: this auntie is real
[9/29, 12:25] Arnold: she's wise and in a small way can change the planet
if peeps would just hear n not sit in the audience with their we know
better you're a stupid nonentity blank expressions
[9/29, 12:25] Arnold: https://youtu.be/H2rG4Dg6xyI
[9/29, 12:27] Arnold: it costs almost nothing, a few cents maybe, almost
free
[9/29, 12:27] Arnold: The Dream Exchange
[9/29, 12:28] Arnold: I'll show u mine if u show yours

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 09:16 Alan Grimes via AGI 
wrote:

> I live in the DC area.
> 
> That means just about every major employer in the area requires some
> level of a Top Secret Security clearance due to government contracts.
> These are only ever offered to the brightest college seniors from the
> local colleges. It takes about a year to actually secure one of these,
> and can only be sponsored. Anyone older than a college senior is not
> worth the investment.
> 
> (I'm 41, soon 42).
> 
> The job boards that cover my area are dominated by fossilized job
> postings, these have been up for many months at a time. Apparently some
> corporations do this just for internal budgetary reasons and have no
> intention of hiring anyone, if it isn't actually just a zombie listing.
> 
> There is probably a pool of several thousand unemployed programmers and
> IT people in the area. One job I applied for for simple IT work had over
> 440 applicants. Jobs that I believe to be legitimate are often filled in
> less than 18 hours of being posted.
> 
> One suburb of the DC area, Bethesda Maryland, was noted for having a
> population of 7,700 indians on H1-B visas, ofcourse these are displacing
> any American with the chutzpah to think he could get a job in a hot
> field in his own country...
> 
> I keep an eye on posts regarding visas and Trump's efforts to cut back
> on the visa programs. One poster described the life of a person who
> thought getting a computer science degree would set him up for life.
> Well, the degree renders one "overqualified" for all other positions and
> therefore unemployable.
> 
> There are laws against age discrimination but they can't really be
> enforced.
> 
> I don't think I made any really bad mistakes in my life but nevertheless
> I'm a doomed individual. The liberals have been so papered throughout
> their life that they seem to think that all one needs to get on the boat
> in this society is the will to climb over the rail. That is false, a
> total lie.
> 
> In the coming months, the world will pay quite dearly for fucking over
> my life.
> 
> THEY WILL PAY, ALL OF THEM!!!
> 
> I'm overtired right now, the heat of summer has not yet broken and I'm
> not getting good sleeps. Still 80 degrees in here with the AC on at 3
> AM... (my main computer contining an 8 month number theory computation
> is not helping)
> 
> Anyway, I'll post about AI again when I'm in a better mood.
> 
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> Funny money comes from the FED
> so NO FED -> NO CLOWNS!!!
> 
> Powers are not rights.
> 

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[agi] The Job market.

[Alan Grimes via AGI]

I live in the DC area.

That means just about every major employer in the area requires some 
level of a Top Secret Security clearance due to government contracts. 
These are only ever offered to the brightest college seniors from the 
local colleges. It takes about a year to actually secure one of these, 
and can only be sponsored. Anyone older than a college senior is not 
worth the investment.


(I'm 41, soon 42).

The job boards that cover my area are dominated by fossilized job 
postings, these have been up for many months at a time. Apparently some 
corporations do this just for internal budgetary reasons and have no 
intention of hiring anyone, if it isn't actually just a zombie listing.


There is probably a pool of several thousand unemployed programmers and 
IT people in the area. One job I applied for for simple IT work had over 
440 applicants. Jobs that I believe to be legitimate are often filled in 
less than 18 hours of being posted.


One suburb of the DC area, Bethesda Maryland, was noted for having a 
population of 7,700 indians on H1-B visas, ofcourse these are displacing 
any American with the chutzpah to think he could get a job in a hot 
field in his own country...


I keep an eye on posts regarding visas and Trump's efforts to cut back 
on the visa programs. One poster described the life of a person who 
thought getting a computer science degree would set him up for life. 
Well, the degree renders one "overqualified" for all other positions and 
therefore unemployable.


There are laws against age discrimination but they can't really be 
enforced.


I don't think I made any really bad mistakes in my life but nevertheless 
I'm a doomed individual. The liberals have been so papered throughout 
their life that they seem to think that all one needs to get on the boat 
in this society is the will to climb over the rail. That is false, a 
total lie.


In the coming months, the world will pay quite dearly for fucking over 
my life.


THEY WILL PAY, ALL OF THEM!!!

I'm overtired right now, the heat of summer has not yet broken and I'm 
not getting good sleeps. Still 80 degrees in here with the AC on at 3 
AM... (my main computer contining an 8 month number theory computation 
is not helping)


Anyway, I'll post about AI again when I'm in a better mood.

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