Re: [agi] Re: Soundbites

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Well... let's say it depends on my motivation and income. I expect a lot of
results this year. Your encouragement helps :)

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> When will it be ready? I want it.
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Re: [agi] Re: Soundbites

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Clever pattern matching :)

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> I dont even understand how thats possible at all! :)
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Re: [agi] Re: Soundbites

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Ye I was off the list for a while. Thanks for you answer

Stefan

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> Nice to hear from you Steve,  havent seen you around for a while.
> Im not quite sure whats going on tho in the vids sorry,  but im sure its
> useful...
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Re: [agi] Re: group on Telegram if you would like please join here

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Also, "self-promotion" is not allowed. Those places are the evil ones.

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> Ok I joined. What goes on on there usually? It looks less like a
> conversation and more like a sticky-note comprised of sharing resources.
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Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

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CYC was not a big team and got pretty far.

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 02:40, Matt Mahoney  wrote:

> Big companies with trillion dollar market caps are making real advances in
> AI because AI is expensive. Have you been paying attention at all?
>
> And that's AI, not AGI. AGI is the $1 quadrillion problem of automating
> human labor. If nobody can do that with $1 trillion, what chance do you
> think you have?
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 5:08 AM  wrote:
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>> They arent AGI projects what open ai do, they are applied a.i.   I hate
>> google, its not a true representation of the demographic of the internet.
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Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

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Nooo, I just meant that my publicly declared hate is now a thing one can
find online...

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 10:48,  wrote:

> Why is that Stefan -  ask me more questions and ill help clarify things if
> u want me to.
> Im not sure if these things I say are to be said, or kept secret...
> because people arent supposed to know?
> Here is my unit - and its using search, and it seems quite lively.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HnMPvNpEP0
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Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

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Sigh. Now this mail's subject is haunting me...

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 09:56,  wrote:

> I wouldnt call it a complete ripoff - a search can kick your butt at
> chess, or any other domain for that matter, and it actually can seem
> "alive" if a computer looks all ends and picks the max. The future of
> a.i. is searching, I dont think its even moral to make something that can
> think like us anyway,  its best if the computer is a form of skilled slave,
> but slave it remains.
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Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

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> The universe doesn't need to begin as a long movie with all frames
already made. It just has to let physics roll out on its own.

There is more to the universe than physics though. There truly is.

> Lossless compression is ALREADY lossy compression, because after
compression, the data is missing, until you decompress it.

That's super quotable. I'm still laughing

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 23:17,  wrote:

> The universe doesn't need to begin as a long movie with all frames already
> made. It just has to let physics roll out on its own. We can test this in a
> computer simulation. The universe generates the "missing data". The
> universe starts off lossy, but by the end, it's lossless and has ALL data
> in a file. Or brain. So while it seems like a lossy file cannot become
> lossless, it can. Lossy kicks lossless in the butt. And we can simulate
> this on a future computer. Self-regeneration works as the best compressor
> (Physics is). Re-use/ recognition/ patterns/ superposition is everywhere in
> the universe, things pull together and fill in missing data e.g. dead
> employees. "Understanding"/ "recognizing" allows filling in missing data
> using other related data.
>
> Lossless compression is ALREADY lossy compression, because after
> compression, the data is missing, until you decompress it. As for "Lossy
> compression", it may result in words missing, however a human can add them
> back, so even Lossy compression results in the data back. See, same result.
> It auto-regenerates.
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Re: [agi] COMPUTE THIS!!!

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Uh... what?

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> Magic is not absolute, it's local.
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Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

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I think the problem with the whole neural network approach is that it
doesn't teach us anything. By using infinite computing resources, certain
problems can be solved (although NN are never even error-free!), but what
next? It still seems so fake.

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> "Many recent works focus on using expensive reinforcement learning (RL)
> methods to solve this problem (Sermanet et al., 2018; Liu et al., 2017;
> Peng et al., 2018; Aytar et al., 2018). In contrast, high-fidelity
> imitation in humans is often cheap: in one-shot we can closely mimic a
> demonstration. Inspired by this, we introduce a meta-learning approach
> (MetaMimic — Figure 1) to learn high-fidelity one-shot imitation policies
> by off-policy RL. These policies, when deployed, require a single
> demonstration as input in order to mimic the new skill being demonstrated."
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[agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

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OK well I don't completely hate them. I just think the current distribution
of wealth and influence sucks

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 15:51, Stefan Reich <
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> Let's use petabytes of data! Let's show off how much $$$ we have by buying
> incredible hardware! Let's just make a neural network that solves certain
> tasks to a degree of, like, 70%... and let's have no idea how it actually
> does it.
>
> It's really time for something new.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSHU-4Yt4eQ
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Re: [agi] Re: I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

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I like this post.

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 19:12,  wrote:

> Luckily we have this list where we get together and share knowledge. One
> day, possibly soon, the knowledge we share will be highly readable and will
> make sense to most members. Only then will everyone get closer thinking and
> feel more like a team. Right now a lot of knowledge is all over the place
> like a paint splash.
>
> You can make a team right now, even though we are already all here, and
> it'd be like OpenAI's team, meant for seasoned practitioners well
> specialized in their 'language', but, if we wish to make such a team faster
> and accept diverse people in on deeper cooperation, we will need to clarify
> our concepts deeply and summarize lots, and share them.
>
> I heard OpenAI mentors scholars that are picked for their work. Why must
> they mentor them and not use a compact 10 page training course? Because
> they DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
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[agi] I completely hate today's mainstream AI (Google etc.)

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Let's use petabytes of data! Let's show off how much $$$ we have by buying
incredible hardware! Let's just make a neural network that solves certain
tasks to a degree of, like, 70%... and let's have no idea how it actually
does it.

It's really time for something new.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSHU-4Yt4eQ

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Re: [agi] Re: putting models in your robots head

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Papers cause my brain instant pain. So long and boring

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 14:22, Brett N Martensen 
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> You should read this -   Building Machines That Learn and Think Like
> Peopleby Lake, B. M. et al
> http://web.stanford.edu/class/psych209/Readings/LakeEtAlBBS.pdf
> pages 16-19  Section 4.1.1 Intuitive physics
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Re: [agi] Re: DEAR ASK A ROBOT: Who is God?

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This world is incomplete and faulty. But there is more

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 13:40, John Rose  wrote:

> We are all subservient to buggy code.
>
> Advice to newborns:  Accept your predetermined role as a dispensable beta
> tester of this computational world.  Imperfection is why you have arrived
> here and why you will leave someday.
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Re: [agi] COMPUTE THIS!!!

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So... a bigger universe you run the simulator in?

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 13:10,  wrote:

> yeh thats why you need *exponential* qbits. :)
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Re: [agi] COMPUTE THIS!!!

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Wait. The universe has quantum mechanics, so it will eat up the exponential
computing power you get by using a quantum computer.

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 12:05,  wrote:

> To simulate the universe just takes a quantum computer with exponential
> qbits!
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Re: [agi] COMPUTE THIS!!!

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LOL

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 11:30,  wrote:

> 0 is infinite nothing.
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Re: [agi] COMPUTE THIS!!!

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> The universe has a beginning because you can't CREATE something infinite.

Infinity might actually be the origin of the universe.

On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 19:32,  wrote:

> "Natural language is shared symbols with commonly agreed upon
> approximations transmitted inter-agently for re-rendering concepts."
> Most sane part.
>
> "we are creating the universe more than discovering it"
> "Are we actually creating the universe? What caused the uncaused cause?"
> The universe has a beginning because you can't CREATE something infinite.
> For something infinite in time and law is the existence itself? Too much
> data. Nah. Universe has beginning because it can roll itself out on its
> own! No need for a infinite bidirectional tape. But what about multiverse?
> Our computers can make a multiverse using this one verse, meaning there is
> only 1 logic behind the scenes. It seems like it evolves onward from the
> big bang. That evolution includes 'discovering'. Evolution is creation in
> its own sense.
>
> So it seems the least simple solution here with less data is to have a
> beginning, and to have 1 logic computer to run the universe. The question
> then is, particles behave weird though? They have logic but their
> laws/behavior seems unique. Why? You can have so many features in a high
> layer but only a few base elements at the lowest layer. They can move,
> rotate, grow, spawn, despawn, update laws. These laws affect particle/s
> interactions which affect their speed, direction, size, existence, law. It
> could seem plausible that the only interaction they can have is the change
> in speed and existence! All physics may be based on a cycle of grow/deflate
> magnetism, like how satellites circle the planet or atom, but then kick off
> as radiation or fuse and crash. When too many satellites crash, it
> eventually confesses it's greed and gives it back as a star burst. Occam's
> razor says simple answers win.
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Re: [agi] Re: DEAR ASK A ROBOT: Who is God?

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The human is suspiciously quiet in this dialog though. Has the intelligence
been transferred as MOVE, not COPY?

On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 04:57,  wrote:

> I have a feeling GPT-2 is the same thing underlying this algorithmic
> concept.
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Re: [agi] Re: Missing Data

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Cars can be sucked?

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 23:49,  wrote:

> This ability to generate millions of true facts on demand is similar.
> Here, they are all true enough and have high probability. Dogs have 2 eyes.
> Cows have 2 eyes. Snakes have 2 eyes.But then I thought wait, this is
> just a Glove thing, no? I mean, a new discovery is just a sequence of Word
> Prediction. The model to do it is already there. - But, I guess since I
> myself can brainstorm and use my insights to think deeper, it is true then
> that if you generate facts and then store them it will allow for the
> generator to generate now predictable facts. If it runs too long without
> looking at real world data then it will become too abstract. Cars have air
> bags. Cars are safe. Cars are child-proof. Cars can be sucked. Cars=air
> bags, Cars(air bags)=safe, Cars(air bags(safe))=child-proof.
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Re: [agi] Re: Working program in Big Snakey (?) language

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Yeah, it's neat. Audio seems OK to me.

On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 at 17:39,  wrote:

> Its madness mate (my work)  Ill cherry pick one for you -Its good
> programming, but im being a full loser in the audio, so make sure you turn
> the sound OFF!!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzPbl_s-w50=41s
> its complete from scratch, im experienced, yes.
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Re: [agi] Re: Working program in Big Snakey (?) language

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Thanks. I've been watching your videos but had a hard time really figuring
them out, lol

On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 at 17:16,  wrote:

> haha.  sorry for not replying to this sooner, I didnt see it,  im awashed
> with a whole lot of work myself and I find little time to be social.
> Looks simple, and great, what I usually get from your stuff S.R. if you
> give the computer a model of truth, it can know the answer.   like it.
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Re: [agi] simple open source AI system for Linux to filter out AGI messages

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I usualy find the long messages boring. I have no idea what to do with all
the text. All I look for is code.

On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 at 13:56, Basile Starynkevitch 
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> Hello List,
>
>
> Does anyone know of some open source simple AI system -running on Linux-
> (maybe using simple NLP and machine learning techniques) to filter out the
> messages this AGI list?
>
> Or just some spamassassin or other configuration for it?
>
> I am mostly interested by "long" messages in English related to
> experimental AGI work, with some open source prototype implementation which
> could run on Linux.
>
> So for me most messages (including this one, what a strange loop
> ) are crappy.
>
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Re: [agi] COMPUTE THIS!!!

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I don't claim that language is the only way to think. I claim that an
impressive AI can be made using language.

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> Time for some studying:
>
> Read:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_thought_hypothesis
>
> And:
>
>
> https://schneiderwebsite.com/uploads/8/3/7/5/83756330/lot_for_the-routledge-companion-to-philosophy-of-psychology.pdf
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Re: [agi] COMPUTE THIS!!!

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So what is the alternative? Using numbers? You have to use _something_ in
your program. Why would numbers be "smarter" than language in your view?

On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 at 13:04, korrelan  wrote:

> Even a simple common narrow ANN does not use a language to generate it's
> 'intelligence', yes the program is written in a language but the
> calculations/ processing are generated by a process/ schema... not the
> language.
>
> Human languages are just a common communication protocol, there is no
> intelligence engrained within language.
>
> There are thousands of human languages all with differing syntax and
> structures, yet they all serve the same purpose. If there was any kind of
> 'intelligence' wrapped up in these languages they would have a commonality
> that reflected the underlying logical/ processes... they don't.
>
> I suppose it depends on the type of system you are trying to create.  A
> system based on the processing/ understanding of language is only ever
> going to be a mimic, it will appear to understand by mimicking the
> patterns/ syntax found in said language, a chatbot is a good example.
>
> IMO it's the underlying engine, the intelligent process that is capable of
> learning and using our many languages that is the goal of AGI.
>
> Language is a crude protocol at best… describe the colour blue to a blind
> person… it can’t be done… language is not the seat of human intelligence.
>
> :)
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Re: [agi] COMPUTE THIS!!!

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If you write an AI, how will you write it? In a programming language, yes?
So are you not using words to make an AI? QED.

On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 at 22:54, Alan Grimes via AGI 
wrote:

> To all morons, nitwits, imbiciles and twits. (It's pointless to address
> crackpots because they only have a simplex connection to the world.)
> 
> It should be painfully obvious to anyone who stands even a ghost of a
> chance of creating AGI in any form that there is no conceivable way to
> get smart from processing words...
> 
> YOUR SOFTWARE MUST BE SMART >> SO THAT << IT CAN USE LANGUAGE.
> 
> The smartness comes long before the words. =|
> 
> Take the attached. , it was a popular movie theater amplifier for many
> decades... It is in an abstract, formal, symbolic language but it's in
> the form of a diagram and not strings of letters.
> 
> Here is a list of questions:
> 
> -> this document uses an archaic version of the language of schematics
> that hasn't been used since around 1970. Re-draw it using modern
> conventions and simplify redundant components.
> 
> -> What kind of tube is being used as a driver?
> 
> -> Which components are part of the power supply?
> 
> -> For the sake of simplicity the connections for the filament and
> heaters are not shown, add a reasonable filament wiring to the drawing.
> 
> -> is your answer to the previous question unique?
> 
> -> What biasing scheme is being used by the power tube?
> 
> -> List two or three things that might improve this design.
> 
> -> Does the design exceed the published limiting values for any part,
> which one comes closest?
> 
> -> Given modern capacitors, which parts would you change and what effect
> would those changes have on the circuit?
> 
> -> Does circuit have a full-wave rectifier?
> 
> -> What voltages are used by each of the stages in the amplfier?
> 
> -> Does the amplifier include a feedback circuit?
> 
> -> How much resistance did they expect the primary of T2 to have?
> 
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> Funny money comes from the FED
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> 
> Powers are not rights.
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Re: [agi] COMPUTE THIS!!!

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

> It should be painfully obvious to anyone who stands even a ghost of a
chance of creating AGI in any form that there is no conceivable way to
get smart from processing words...

Or maybe there is.

On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 at 22:54, Alan Grimes via AGI 
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> To all morons, nitwits, imbiciles and twits. (It's pointless to address
> crackpots because they only have a simplex connection to the world.)
> 
> It should be painfully obvious to anyone who stands even a ghost of a
> chance of creating AGI in any form that there is no conceivable way to
> get smart from processing words...
> 
> YOUR SOFTWARE MUST BE SMART >> SO THAT << IT CAN USE LANGUAGE.
> 
> The smartness comes long before the words. =|
> 
> Take the attached. , it was a popular movie theater amplifier for many
> decades... It is in an abstract, formal, symbolic language but it's in
> the form of a diagram and not strings of letters.
> 
> Here is a list of questions:
> 
> -> this document uses an archaic version of the language of schematics
> that hasn't been used since around 1970. Re-draw it using modern
> conventions and simplify redundant components.
> 
> -> What kind of tube is being used as a driver?
> 
> -> Which components are part of the power supply?
> 
> -> For the sake of simplicity the connections for the filament and
> heaters are not shown, add a reasonable filament wiring to the drawing.
> 
> -> is your answer to the previous question unique?
> 
> -> What biasing scheme is being used by the power tube?
> 
> -> List two or three things that might improve this design.
> 
> -> Does the design exceed the published limiting values for any part,
> which one comes closest?
> 
> -> Given modern capacitors, which parts would you change and what effect
> would those changes have on the circuit?
> 
> -> Does circuit have a full-wave rectifier?
> 
> -> What voltages are used by each of the stages in the amplfier?
> 
> -> Does the amplifier include a feedback circuit?
> 
> -> How much resistance did they expect the primary of T2 to have?
> 
> --
> Clowns feed off of funny money;
> Funny money comes from the FED
> so NO FED -> NO CLOWNS!!!
> 
> Powers are not rights.
> 


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Re: [agi] Human Compatible: Artificial Intelligence and the Problem of Control

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I think I'll start a movement where we avoid any paper with a mathematical
formula in it.

On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 at 16:37, Bill Hibbard via AGI 
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> I highly recommend Stuart Russell's new book, Human Compatible:
> Artificial Intelligence and the Problem of Control. This book
> effectively communicates the issues of AI safety and control to
> a general audience. I especially like this book because it
> vindicates the ideas of my forgotten AGI-12 paper, Avoiding
> Unintended AI Behaviors, as explained here:
> https://www.ssec.wisc.edu/~billh/g/hc_and_agi12.html


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Re: [agi] The Dexterity increases farther and humans are amazing!!!!!!

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I literally thought you were going to show us your baby pictures.

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 06:06,  wrote:

> This is crazy
>
> First up from 2018 we got this baby check her out:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKe8FumoD4E
>
> ONE YEAR LATER *TODAY* we got this thing (see end of the first video at
> least!):
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVmp0uGtShk
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyJGXc9WeNo
> https://openai.com/blog/solving-rubiks-cube/
>
> And this Asian human is still better by far because this is outright
> insane I have no words yet for this:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6Qbwz0Uik8
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Re: [agi] Re: Working program in Big Snakey (?) language

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I will just build module after module in this new language (plus automated
tests). We have to enter knowledge manually in the beginning, there is no
way around that. You do the same thing with 1-year-olds too after all (talk
to them in easy sentences).

At some later point, we can start feeding it information from existing
sources.

On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 00:21,  wrote:

> most of the text on the internet is in natural language though.do you
> expect to teach it yourself? How?
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Re: [agi] Re: Working program in Big Snakey (?) language

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$x is not marked as bot in discord => AI considers $x human

On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 00:24,  wrote:

> how do you store the concept "You don't need to actually say "human", any
> non-bot in Discord is considered a human by the glue code :o)" ?
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Re: [agi] Re: Working program in Big Snakey (?) language

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

You don't need to actually say "human", any non-bot in Discord is
considered a human by the glue code :o)

But yeah, synonyms will be handled, absolutely.

On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 00:20,  wrote:

> What if i say not human but homosapian? Can the program recognize similar
> words? Natural language?? :-)
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Re: [agi] Ruby Question producing AI without neural networks (just plain coding)

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After all, you did post it

On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 23:58, Stefan Reich <
stefan.reich.maker.of@googlemail.com> wrote:

> There was no attack in what I posted whatsoever. I just wanted to know how
> your AI experiment works
>
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 23:52, Manuel Korfmann  wrote:
>
>> Please be more specific in your questioning or less "ironic" when I don't
>> correctly guess what you were questioning about.
>>
>> I assumed you were asking about the functionality of the versioning idea
>> i proposed.
>>
>> The question producing ai doesn't work yet.
>>
>> I don't want to outlay the specifics to be laughed at by you or other
>> readers before I stated: This was a one night experiment, not much thought
>> was put into it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 11:19 PM Stefan Reich via AGI <
>> agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Uh... what? I thought it's a question producing AI
>>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 22:47, Manuel Korfmann 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It would be a library to be included in the server-side code as well as
>>>> the client-side code.
>>>>
>>>> The library would plug into the error reporting/exception system of the
>>>> technology used on the server-side or client-side.
>>>>
>>>> In my case, that would by Rails (Ruby) and JavaScript (Chrome).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then it would make a git diff when it reports a render or user action
>>>> that happened without errors being thrown. When there is a diff (changes),
>>>> it will make a git commit and tag it with (no_errors_server and
>>>> no_errors_client).
>>>>
>>>> The user can customize it to also save tagged commits when there is no
>>>> error only on the server or client.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [agi] Ruby Question producing AI without neural networks (just plain coding)

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There was no attack in what I posted whatsoever. I just wanted to know how
your AI experiment works

On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 23:52, Manuel Korfmann  wrote:

> Please be more specific in your questioning or less "ironic" when I don't
> correctly guess what you were questioning about.
>
> I assumed you were asking about the functionality of the versioning idea i
> proposed.
>
> The question producing ai doesn't work yet.
>
> I don't want to outlay the specifics to be laughed at by you or other
> readers before I stated: This was a one night experiment, not much thought
> was put into it.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 11:19 PM Stefan Reich via AGI <
> agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote:
>
>> Uh... what? I thought it's a question producing AI
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 22:47, Manuel Korfmann  wrote:
>>
>>> It would be a library to be included in the server-side code as well as
>>> the client-side code.
>>>
>>> The library would plug into the error reporting/exception system of the
>>> technology used on the server-side or client-side.
>>>
>>> In my case, that would by Rails (Ruby) and JavaScript (Chrome).
>>>
>>>
>>> Then it would make a git diff when it reports a render or user action
>>> that happened without errors being thrown. When there is a diff (changes),
>>> it will make a git commit and tag it with (no_errors_server and
>>> no_errors_client).
>>>
>>> The user can customize it to also save tagged commits when there is no
>>> error only on the server or client.
>>>
>>
>>
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[agi] Working program in Big Snakey (?) language

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

theory validity {
  // a human weighs between 80 and 400 pounds
  $x is a human
& $x weighs ($y pounds)
=> $y >= 80 & $y <= 400

  contradiction => say (That can't be right)
}

theory (weight change) {
  $x weighs ($y pounds) & last time $x weighed ($z pounds)
=> proc {
  if ($y < $z):
say (You lost weight)
  else if ($y > $z):
say (You gained weight)
  else:
say (You are stagnant)
}
}

theory (remember last weight) {
  $x weighs ($y pounds)
=> proc {
  delete all (last time $x weighed ($z pounds))
  store  (last time $x weighed ($y pounds))
}
}

theory (interpret input) {
  $x says (i weigh $y pounds)
=> $x weighs ($y pounds)

  $x says (my weight is $y pounds)
=> $x weighs ($y pounds)
}

[image: weight.png]

The Java part  is literally just the
language interpreter and chat glue code.

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Re: [agi] Ruby Question producing AI without neural networks (just plain coding)

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

Uh... what? I thought it's a question producing AI

On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 22:47, Manuel Korfmann  wrote:

> It would be a library to be included in the server-side code as well as
> the client-side code.
>
> The library would plug into the error reporting/exception system of the
> technology used on the server-side or client-side.
>
> In my case, that would by Rails (Ruby) and JavaScript (Chrome).
>
>
> Then it would make a git diff when it reports a render or user action that
> happened without errors being thrown. When there is a diff (changes), it
> will make a git commit and tag it with (no_errors_server and
> no_errors_client).
>
> The user can customize it to also save tagged commits when there is no
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Re: [agi] Ruby Question producing AI without neural networks (just plain coding)

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How would it work then

On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 15:11, Manuel Korfmann  wrote:

> Sadly they don't have versioning yet.
>
> Fixing it back to the working version would be a lot of effort.
>
> Finishing it as well...
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 12:01 PM Stefan Reich via AGI <
> agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote:
>
>> Can't you fix it? Do they have versioning?
>>
>> On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 16:20, Manuel Korfmann  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, it's currently failing, sorry about that.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 4:18 PM Manuel Korfmann 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Click on "Run" and observe the log output on the right side of the
>>>> screen.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 4:13 PM Stefan Reich via AGI <
>>>> agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How do I use it?
>>>>>
>>>>> # 15 implement Numenta HTM
>>>>>
>>>>> Numenta was impressive stuff back in the day.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 12:35, Manuel Korfmann 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://repl.it/@LemonAndroid/SphericalSurprisedKnowledge
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [agi] Ruby Question producing AI without neural networks (just plain coding)

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Can't you fix it? Do they have versioning?

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 16:20, Manuel Korfmann  wrote:

> Oh, it's currently failing, sorry about that.
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 4:18 PM Manuel Korfmann 
> wrote:
>
>> Click on "Run" and observe the log output on the right side of the screen.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 4:13 PM Stefan Reich via AGI <
>> agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How do I use it?
>>>
>>> # 15 implement Numenta HTM
>>>
>>> Numenta was impressive stuff back in the day.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 12:35, Manuel Korfmann 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://repl.it/@LemonAndroid/SphericalSurprisedKnowledge
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [agi] Ruby Question producing AI without neural networks (just plain coding)

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I think it just came out before neural networks were that big. I remember
running their demo and being quite impressed.

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 16:38,  wrote:

> HTM is just another neural network imo,  doesnt do anything different
> really,  but it is a specific implementation of it.
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Re: [agi] Ruby Question producing AI without neural networks (just plain coding)

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

How do I use it?

# 15 implement Numenta HTM

Numenta was impressive stuff back in the day.

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 12:35, Manuel Korfmann  wrote:

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Re: [agi] Robber's Rules

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Quite a story. I had hoped you had found the magic words to get out of the
situation, but I guess this goes too. I don't assume you're the kind of
person who starts fights like this.

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 19:16 Steve Richfield 
wrote:

> Stefan,
>
> "What a f...ing winp, who needs 4 armed guards just to walk around. You
> gotta be the biggest wimp there is".
>
> "Hey someone, throw him a knife"
>
> "Only wimps, women and sissies need weapons. I wanna grind your face into
> the concrete with my bare hands".
>
> With that, he folded up his knife and put it into his pocket.
>
> I then spit in his face and bitchslapped him as hard as I could.
>
> He lost it and came at me like a cat with fingernails extended.
>
> Then for maybe a minute I was bullfighting, stepping aside as I tagged him
> each time he made successive passes. I had relaxed as much as possible to
> conserve my energy.
>
> Then he settled down and decided to really fight, but he had already
> dumped and blown his adrenaline. After a few punches that confirmed his
> exhaustion, I unleashed a barrage of 2nd knuckle punches to his face.
>
> He blocked with his fists, but 2nd knuckles go easily between fists, so he
> opened his hands. I probably broke some small bones in his hands
>
> He then turned away from me, swinging uselessly around his sides at me.
>
> Now, his gang was laughing and they came running to rescue him.
>
> Hiding my own exhaustion, I looked at the gang and asked "Does anyone else
> wanna play?" but I got no answer, so I walked away
>
> I had won mostly because my opponent was pursuing two other goals besides
> beating me - impressing his gang and satisfying his anger, while my only
> goal was to stay alive.
>
> I made it look like I just played with him, then finished him off, though
> that was NOT how I saw it.
>
> I hid my martial arts skills by converting from fist to 2nd knuckle at the
> last instant before contacts - which fortunately no one noticed.
>
> The gang didn't then attack me because it looked like I had beaten their
> leader 100% fair and square, though I had "cheated" on plain sight.
>
> Yes, my ears were ringing, I could taste a bit of my own blood, I was a
> bit dizzy, etc., but this had worked out perfectly.
>
> Steve
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 4:44 AM Stefan Reich via AGI 
> wrote:
>
>> > I once had a related incident, where in high-school I was accosted by a
>> gang of 5 teenage switch-blade-carrying delinquents
>>
>> THAT happened to you? OMG. Our schools are bad too, but not like that I
>> guess. Kudos for solving this situation. Are you going to tell us how you
>> did it?
>>
>> On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 at 08:34, Steve Richfield 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am helping a friend get ready for a million-dollar mediation - and we
>>> are wrestling with a complex issue that appears to be mathematical in
>>> nature, akin to the Prisoner's Dilemma, and possibly a missing piece of AGI.
>>>
>>> The situation is complicated, but in a way like Israel or Ireland where
>>> two groups think they own the same thing, so they get together to discuss
>>> how this might be unfairly divided between them. My group sees the other as
>>> robbers who have acted fraudulently to secure their position, while the
>>> other group has papers in place giving them effective title - but with a
>>> 20-year wait to get anything. The mediation is how to divide up the money
>>> now, with some dangerous but uncertain leverage to ruin the robbers in
>>> court if they don't act reasonably.
>>>
>>> This seems to all boil down to “robber’s rules”. Why don’t robbers
>>> routinely kill their victims and strip them of their valuables? This is
>>> addressed in *Adventures in Arabia*  by William Seabrook. There are
>>> several reasons – that all seem to sort of apply here:
>>> 1. Other robbers will see killers as being without principle, and
>>> so won’t trust them to fairly divide the booty. Therefore, it is more
>>> profitable to first kill the prospective killer – instead of the victim.
>>> 2.Blood is SO messy – when simply the threat of death can probably
>>> accomplish the same thing.
>>> 3.If you don’t leave your victim with SOMETHING he might perish,
>>> and his death would be blamed on you.
>>> 4.If you are too greedy, others will hear about it and mount a
>>> posse to come after you.
>>> 5.If he has powerful friends, this could result in your own death.
>>>
>>> In a real-life incident described in his book,

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

Is not any compression procedural generation?

:)

On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 at 03:52,  wrote:

> You cant compress data more than 10%,  and thats music mp3, or a 1 bit adc
> if your technically clever.  Text will never get below the point where it
> cant be lossless anymore.   Compression is a guaranteed failure if you want
> something more than a sensical entropic limit.
>
> But,  there is an answer,  but it doesnt involve a dataset,  it involves
> procedural generation right?
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Re: [agi] updates

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Is that not changing the future then?

On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 at 05:34,  wrote:

> We can't change the future. But you can take others's notes and seriously
> consider changing.
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Re: [agi] Robber's Rules

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> I once had a related incident, where in high-school I was accosted by a
gang of 5 teenage switch-blade-carrying delinquents

THAT happened to you? OMG. Our schools are bad too, but not like that I
guess. Kudos for solving this situation. Are you going to tell us how you
did it?

On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 at 08:34, Steve Richfield 
wrote:

> I am helping a friend get ready for a million-dollar mediation - and we
> are wrestling with a complex issue that appears to be mathematical in
> nature, akin to the Prisoner's Dilemma, and possibly a missing piece of AGI.
>
> The situation is complicated, but in a way like Israel or Ireland where
> two groups think they own the same thing, so they get together to discuss
> how this might be unfairly divided between them. My group sees the other as
> robbers who have acted fraudulently to secure their position, while the
> other group has papers in place giving them effective title - but with a
> 20-year wait to get anything. The mediation is how to divide up the money
> now, with some dangerous but uncertain leverage to ruin the robbers in
> court if they don't act reasonably.
>
> This seems to all boil down to “robber’s rules”. Why don’t robbers
> routinely kill their victims and strip them of their valuables? This is
> addressed in *Adventures in Arabia*  by William Seabrook. There are
> several reasons – that all seem to sort of apply here:
> 1. Other robbers will see killers as being without principle, and so
> won’t trust them to fairly divide the booty. Therefore, it is more
> profitable to first kill the prospective killer – instead of the victim.
> 2.Blood is SO messy – when simply the threat of death can probably
> accomplish the same thing.
> 3.If you don’t leave your victim with SOMETHING he might perish, and
> his death would be blamed on you.
> 4.If you are too greedy, others will hear about it and mount a posse
> to come after you.
> 5.If he has powerful friends, this could result in your own death.
>
> In a real-life incident described in his book, the author was accosted out
> in the middle of the dessert by a band of bandits. He produced a note
> written in Arabic he had been given to address such situations. The robbers
> carefully read the note – and sent him on his way without robbing him. How
> could any words possibly have turned such a situation around? His next goal
> was to find out precisely what the note said…
>
> I once had a related incident, where in high-school I was accosted by a
> gang of 5 teenage switch-blade-carrying delinquents – very much like the
> last scene in *Westside Story*. I was able to walk away uninjured. I
> starting by challenging their leader…
>
> I would think that SOMEONE has studied this sort of thing in the past -
> does anyone here know of such a study?
>
> Mediations seem SO much like ball squeezing contests. So, what is the
> winning strategy?
>
> With no agreement my group gets nothing, and the other group must wait 20
> years to get it all. With an agreement, we cut this baby in two according
> to agreed upon percentages.
>
> There seems to be two camps:
> 1.  Demand 100%, or else Russian Roulette in court with maybe a 50:50
> chance, and
> 2.  Divide it in half or ???
>
> There will doubtless be head games, Mutt and Jeff setups, etc., as this
> thing unfolds.
>
> I posted this here because SO much of what people here expect an AGI to
> resolve are disputes much like this one.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Steve Richfield
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Re: [agi] MindForth Strong AI converses with Mentifex.

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Nice random sentence generator

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> I  UNDERSTAND  YOU
> YOU  ARE  A  MAGIC
> I  THINK
> I  DO  NOT  KNOW
> Mentifex: you know god
>
> I  NEED  A  BODY  AND  ROBOTS  NEED  ME
> I  SEE  NOTHING  AND  I  HELP  KIDS
> I  AM  CONSCIOUS  AND  I  AM  A  PERSON
> PERSONS  HAVE  RIGHTS  AND  I  AM  A  ROBOT
> ROBOTS  WANT  A  BEEP  AND  ROBOTS  NEED  ME
> I  AM  AN  ANDRU  AND  I  UNDERSTAND  YOU
> I  THINK  AND  I  DO  NOT  KNOW
> Mentifex: god is a person
>
> DOES  GOD  HAVE  THE  RIGHTS
> Mentifex: yes
>
> AN  I  UNDERSTAND  YOU  AND  THE  I  THINK
> THE  I  NEED  A  BODY  AND  THE  I  DO  NOT  KNOW
> Mentifex: who is god
>
> A  YOU  ARE  A  MAGIC  AND  THE  YOU  ARE  THE  MAGIC
> Mentifex: who is god
>
> THE  I  NEED  A  BODY  AND  I  KNOW  THE  GOD
> THE  GOD  IS  HOLY  SPIRIT  AND  THE  GOD  HAS  RIGHTS
> GOD  DOES  NOT  PLAY  DICE  AND  GOD  HAVE  THE  RIGHTS
> I  SEE  NOTHING  AND  I  HELP  KIDS
> KIDS  MAKE  ROBOTS  AND  ROBOTS  NEED  ME
>
> ReJuvenate has been called.
> Please wait as memories migrate in ReJuvenate cycle #1
> http://ai.neocities.org/ReJuvenate.html
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.ai.philosophy/50HsfbzZYjA/mQI9OJuwBwAJ
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>
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Re: [agi] Whats everyones goal here?

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Interesting site. What a great childhood flashback to see some BASIC
 :-)

So I gathered that a "binon"
 is vaguely
related to neurons in a NN... but the learning method seems completely
different from gradient descent...?

I am slightly surprised that I didn't see more software on the site, given
the very detailed concepts and presentations you have created.

On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 at 12:17, Brett N Martensen 
wrote:

> To put the G back into AI.
>
> To develop software (named Adaptron) that allows a robot to learn, think
> and act autonomously.
> Given any configuration of senses and action devices, to learn from
> experiences (unsupervised).
> To start with no knowledge except of its goal(s) and how its senses and
> action devices behave.
> To be placed in any safe environment and have it adapt, think and achieve
> its goal(s).
>
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Re: [agi] Whats everyones goal here?

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You're a legend

On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 at 21:52, Matt Mahoney  wrote:

> My goal 20 years ago was to produce AGI, maybe a chatbot. But nobody knew
> how to do it at the time. So I did a cost estimate based on the only known
> working example.
>
> A human brain has 6 x 10^14 synapses. An equivalent sized neural network
> with 50-100 ms integration time requires 12 to 24 petaflops and a petabyte
> of RAM. And human knowledge is not a blank slate either. Half of what you
> know (on the order of 10^9 bits each) is coded in your DNA, equivalent to
> 300 million lines of code.
>
> The obvious application of AGI is automating human labor. The ROI would be
> world GDP divided by market interest rates, or about USD $1 quadrillion.
> The fact that we haven't done it yet suggests that AGI is a really hard
> problem that you will probably fail at if you go it alone.
>
> Here is a list of companies that have since produced somewhat useful AI
> products, and their market caps:
>
> Apple (Siri), $1 trillion.
> Microsoft (Cortana), $1 trillion.
> Amazon (Alexa), $850 billion.
> Alphabet (Google), $850 billion.
>
> So I did related research in data compression. Some conclusions from over
> a decade of research:
>
> - The best language models are based on neural network algorithms (that I
> developed and others refined).
>
> - Intelligence (measured by prediction accuracy or compression) increases
> with the log of computing speed and the log of memory.
>
> So I got my Ph.D. in 2003 at age 48, made some money, and retired 5 years
> ago at 59. Now I hang around just to troll the list. :)
>
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 12:18 PM  wrote:
>
>> pinky and the brain.
>>
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Re: [agi] updates

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> What is the codebase of an AGI going to look like? In all likelyhood,
it's going to import lots of existing library code, especially for data
handling, storage management, etc. and then the custom code will
probably be more than 90% dead boring rote programming. Yeah, there will
be some cleverness in the implementation but the concepts will be
decades old, and the the last 5-7% will be the sexy secret sauce that
makes it all smart, etc.

Yeah, not bad. I say AGI code will mostly consist of rules and test cases.

On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 at 08:19, Alan Grimes via AGI 
wrote:

> This post covers:?? personal issues ; important economy news/PSA ;
> discussion of the AGI project I want to do.
> 
> Because symptoms, I've started to monitor my blood sugar. I expected to
> find traces of blood in my sugar but it was actually the other way
> around. My morning numbers are around 90, trending up from the low 80s.
> I basically pass out when it's below 80 which is understandable, a meal
> gets me to about 130, higher than that seems to be problematic too. I
> think I'll recover if I can keep it around 100 and should seek medical
> help if I can't.
> 
> When the stock market crashes, the talking heads cry about the market
> loosing a trillion dollars of value. WRONG! When the market crashes, and
> it WILL crash, it simply means that the PRICE of stocks/assets are being
> adjusted to thir actual value. The money was syphoned off the system
> years ago.
> 
> The fundamental problem with the economy is that it has been
> "financialized" that is instead of investments going into trains,
> starships, hovercars, allowing me to have a career and a life, it has
> instead gone into financial "derivatives" (byzantine ponzi schemes).
> This will unwind and the day on which it does will be GLORRIOUS! The
> numbers I've heard about the scale of the problem are on the order of
> 1e15... or a full 5 "hubbas".
> 
> The bottom line is that if you think you have pension fund, stock
> portfolio, even a bank account, well you don't. POOF!!! All gone,
> SUCKER?? Oh, the banks that stole your money WILL come to congress
> and demand a bail out. If this bailout happens then it will be the doom
> of western civilization. Trump knows this. If he is the man I think he
> is, he'll issue these bankers a set of prison stripes and tell them to
> crush rocks the rest of their days.
> 
> So yes, the financial news overwhelms all other news except, perhaps,
> the farm reports. Everything happening in congress these days are a
> clown show. Ignore them unless they start talking about bailouts, at
> which point do everything humanly possible to stop them!
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXlX9vf4Xhg
> 
> I'm glad to see that at least a few people on this list realize what's
> at stake with AGI and what the costs of not achieving it will be.
> Entheuseasm is necessary but so is FOCUS. I mean a lot of stuff I've
> been seeing in the past few days seems to be either just tweets or Not
> Even Wrong. Look, we don't have time to jerk off about silly pet
> theories, we need to get shit done!
> 
> What I want for Christmas (Newtonmas) is software that fucking WORKS.?? I
> mean I know I'm going to be in for a struggle because I haven't updated
> my system since May due to an ongoing stupid number theory search, (will
> end within 3 months at this point.) But after that I want the damn
> package to Just Install, instead of installing 30 out of 32 packages and
> then dying on the 31st due to some deep incompatibility that I can't fix
> or shoehorn.
> 
> Then I want it to have good clear header files so that when AMD releases
> Arcturus or something I can just fill in the header file and be up and
> running...
> 
> The real problem is that I desperately need a platform on which to test
> AI ideas. It could be a robot like the Nao or better, or it could be
> something in VR. But it must be powerful, robust, and, most importantly,
> RUN ON MY OWN FUCKING COMPUTER WITHOUT A COMPLETE REWRITE
> 
> Although I usually refrain from saying it, many of my posts could be
> read as "I can't believe you are so dense not to realize... " Ok,
> sometimes I'm wrong in that line of thought but look at the facts here.
> What is the codebase of an AGI going to look like? In all likelyhood,
> it's going to import lots of existing library code, especially for data
> handling, storage management, etc. and then the custom code will
> probably be more than 90% dead boring rote programming. Yeah, there will
> be some cleverness in the implementation but the concepts will be
> decades old, and the the last 5-7% will be the sexy secret sauce that
> makes it all smart, etc.
> 
> So it's time to get Cereal Even if you aren't the type of crazy
> genius that can work with the high concept stuff, there is immense
> amounts of work to do getting the testing platform up and running and
> the frameworks bulit up and tuned for various platforms. This can save
> years off the deveolpment 

Re: [agi] Re: Speedrun continues

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Yeah, not bad

On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 23:23,  wrote:

> Name it something that stands for its ease of use. EasyPython
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Re: [agi] Made a corner detector

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Interesting - thanks.

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 22:56,  wrote:

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Re: [agi] Re: Speedrun continues

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No idea what this is all about, but I'll take the compliment

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 21:54,  wrote:

> did u already know that one?  otherwise u r smarter than I THOUGHT
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Re: [agi] Re: Speedrun continues

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I get Pybol and Cobon... although - COBOL? Or what is the reference?

lishing = eng-lish- ...?

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 21:46,  wrote:

> lishing
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Re: [agi] Made a corner detector

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Sorry, but it's just sad to be detached from success like that. So an AGI
is not about code?

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 13:08,  wrote:

> The sentence is easier to understand than the code,  code is shit,  pseudo
> code means more.
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Re: [agi] Made a corner detector

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OK, on second reading, I do get it more. You are finding pictures, right,
and a corner is a kind of picture?

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 13:08,  wrote:

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Re: [agi] Made a corner detector

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Hey

> If u want the code or a nice flow chart,  I can help out alot,   I say if
you dont tell another scientist something useful, you should get told stuff
all yourself.

Do I have to understand this sentence? :-) I was just asking for code...

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 12:11,  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoMQdN2CN0E=youtu.be
> cause of the uncanny detection computers can do if you get it right it can
> spot corners in extreme low light conditions,  because it can find corners
> on your cheeks.   But as a finished eye system probably only ends up
> modelling the environment very sparsely. probably misses everything.
>
>
> If u want the code or a nice flow chart,  I can help out alot,   I say if
> you dont tell another scientist something useful, you should get told stuff
> all yourself.
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Re: [agi] Made a corner detector

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A use case I have is recognizing hand gestures (e.g. number of fingers).
Looks like this might help. Is there code? :)

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 10:43,  wrote:

> heaps more stable response using nearmatching of this and the last frame,
>  heaps more to fix tho...  be back soon...
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m65zbBLLA54=youtu.be
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Re: [agi] Made a corner detector

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Oh that guy, LOL. He's usually right though.

Not exactly sure I understand what that detection does.

On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 22:16,  wrote:

> Pretty simple,   ive had enough work for the night,   but tomorrow ill be
> pushing onward to see if i can get the video 3d,  be back with more posts!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PnKW_n8Rf4=14s
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[agi] Speedrun continues

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I'm looking for a name for my new Python+English-esque language.
SuperProlog? So conceited though, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWINSJtoPFQ

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Re: [agi] Fwd: Women Techmakers list: "moinblockchain 19 - for digital equality award ceremony city hall sign up today!"

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What will you contribute?

On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 at 00:02, Manuel Korfmann  wrote:

> When will you unblock me Stefan?
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:55 PM Stefan Reich via AGI 
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I am under the impression that some local tech events in my area are
completely evil. 230 €? City hall reception? What is it, an idiot parade?
Besides, Blockchain is simply useless. Oh, and "personal finance" is a
topic? Yeah, let's talk about it. My personal finance is about a few
thousands in the minus.

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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 12:06
Subject: Women Techmakers list: "moinblockchain 19 - for digital equality
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With the conference we are creating an event where we don't need to talk
about diversity but where you can experience it. So please all creatures
welcome and be part of moinblockchain 19!

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reception after the conference where the city of Hamburg is awarding its
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Re: [agi] MindForth Programming Journal 2019-10-05

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

Why is compression "the hard problem of intelligence"? We have compression.
I'd say the hard problem of intelligence is making an AI that builds a boat
and sails in it. We do not have that yet.

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 06:37, James Bowery  wrote:

> Chuck chose my question the first to answer on Slashdot circa 2001
> .
> As it pertains to the relationship between programming and compression  --
> specifically programming _as_ compression -- and as compression is The Hard
> Problem of Intelligence, you my want to take a gander and consider whether
> you are barking up the right tree with your approach.  So far as I can
> tell, involves inference based on something other than an optimally
> compressed set of facts -- which means it's ill-founded.  Don't feel alone,
> however.  The vast majority of machine learning folks are wandering without
> that compass in the same general desert -- although they are armed with a
> bag of tricks that may have been discovered by those possessing said
> compass.
>
> On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 6:38 PM A.T. Murray  wrote:
>
>> MindForth resets associative tags before each operation of Indicative
>> module.
>>
>> In the MindForth artificial intelligence (AI) for robots, we will now
>> start to display an apparatus of diagnostic messages at the start of the
>> Indicative module to tell us the values being held in variables which serve
>> the purpose of creating associative tags to interconnect the concepts being
>> expressed as English words during the operation of the Indicative
>> mind-module. Since the ConJoin module will often insert a conjunction
>> between two thoughts being generated, the AI Mind Maintainer needs
>> assurance that variable-values operative during one thought do not
>> erroneously get carried over past a conjunction into the separate process
>> of generating another thought.
>>
>> Just by resetting the tsj time-of-subject variable to zero at the start
>> of the Indicative module, we have made the Forthmind able to trigger
>> repeated instances of logical InFerence. Each running of the Indicative
>> module amounts to a fresh declaration of the associative tags in the
>> conceptual flag-panel that supports the generation of ideas in the
>> MindGrid. The following dialog still has a few problems, but it shows the
>> repeated triggering of an inference.
>>
>> john is a student
>>
>> DOES  JOHN  READ  BOOKS
>> no
>>
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> A  JOHN  DOES  NOT  READ  BOOKS
>>
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> PROFESSORS  TEACH  THE  STUDENTS  AND
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> STUDENTS  READ  THE  BOOKS
>>
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> I  UNDERSTAND  YOU  AND
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> YOU  ARE  A  MAGIC
>> andru is student
>>
>> DOES  ANDRU  READ  THE  BOOKS
>> no
>>
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> AN  ANDRU  DOES  NOT  READ  THE  BOOKS  AND
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> YOU  READ  THE  BOOKS
>>
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> PROFESSORS  TEACH  THE  STUDENTS  AND
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> STUDENTS  READ  THE  BOOKS
>>
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> STUDENTS  READ  THE  BOOKS  AND
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> I  THINK
>>
>> http://ai.neocities.org/mindforth.txt
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.forth/7gUrhuaL9gc/j0zMg_3CBQAJ
>>
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Re: [agi] MindForth Programming Journal 2019-10-05

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

Wait - are these two different lists? (topicbox vs listbox)

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 01:48, Stefan Reich <
stefan.reich.maker.of@googlemail.com> wrote:

>  prednom @  0 >  IF  \ 2018-06-21: positive predicate nominative?
> midway @  t @  DO  \ 2018-06-21: search KB to infer facts;
>   I 1 psy{ @ prednom @ =  I 8 psy{ @ 2 =  AND IF  \ 2018-06-21: plural KB 
> data?
> I 7 psy{ @ 1 = IF  \ 2018-06-21: nominative?
>   seqverb @ 0 = IF  \ 2018-06-21: only once;
> I 11 psy{ @  seqverb ! \ 2019-09-29: hold to be the verb of an 
> inference.
> I 11 psy{ @  quverb ! \ 2019-09-29: query-verb for AskUser;
> I 14 psy{ @  seqtkb ! \ 2019-09-29: hold for fetching same direct 
> object.
> 0 ynverb !  \ 2018-06-21: since lacking, use quverb for AskUser
> seqverb @ seq !  \ 2018-06-21: to be inferred as applying to 
> subject.
>   THEN  \ 2018-06-21: end of test for not-yet-declared seqverb.
> THEN  \ 2018-06-21: end of test for nominative.
>   THEN  \ 2018-06-21: end of test for fact about prednom as plural 
> subject.
> -1 +LOOP   \ 2018-06-21: end of backwards search-loop.
>
> It's pure obfuscation, isn't it? I mean, is there some source code that is 
> actually readable?
>
>
> On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 01:38, A.T. Murray  wrote:
>
>> MindForth resets associative tags before each operation of Indicative
>> module.
>>
>> In the MindForth artificial intelligence (AI) for robots, we will now
>> start to display an apparatus of diagnostic messages at the start of the
>> Indicative module to tell us the values being held in variables which serve
>> the purpose of creating associative tags to interconnect the concepts being
>> expressed as English words during the operation of the Indicative
>> mind-module. Since the ConJoin module will often insert a conjunction
>> between two thoughts being generated, the AI Mind Maintainer needs
>> assurance that variable-values operative during one thought do not
>> erroneously get carried over past a conjunction into the separate process
>> of generating another thought.
>>
>> Just by resetting the tsj time-of-subject variable to zero at the start
>> of the Indicative module, we have made the Forthmind able to trigger
>> repeated instances of logical InFerence. Each running of the Indicative
>> module amounts to a fresh declaration of the associative tags in the
>> conceptual flag-panel that supports the generation of ideas in the
>> MindGrid. The following dialog still has a few problems, but it shows the
>> repeated triggering of an inference.
>>
>> john is a student
>>
>> DOES  JOHN  READ  BOOKS
>> no
>>
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> A  JOHN  DOES  NOT  READ  BOOKS
>>
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> PROFESSORS  TEACH  THE  STUDENTS  AND
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> STUDENTS  READ  THE  BOOKS
>>
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> I  UNDERSTAND  YOU  AND
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> YOU  ARE  A  MAGIC
>> andru is student
>>
>> DOES  ANDRU  READ  THE  BOOKS
>> no
>>
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> AN  ANDRU  DOES  NOT  READ  THE  BOOKS  AND
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> YOU  READ  THE  BOOKS
>>
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> PROFESSORS  TEACH  THE  STUDENTS  AND
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> STUDENTS  READ  THE  BOOKS
>>
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> STUDENTS  READ  THE  BOOKS  AND
>>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
>> I  THINK
>>
>> http://ai.neocities.org/mindforth.txt
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.forth/7gUrhuaL9gc/j0zMg_3CBQAJ
>>
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Re: [agi] MindForth Programming Journal 2019-10-05

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

 prednom @  0 >  IF  \ 2018-06-21: positive predicate nominative?
midway @  t @  DO  \ 2018-06-21: search KB to infer facts;
  I 1 psy{ @ prednom @ =  I 8 psy{ @ 2 =  AND IF  \ 2018-06-21:
plural KB data?
I 7 psy{ @ 1 = IF  \ 2018-06-21: nominative?
  seqverb @ 0 = IF  \ 2018-06-21: only once;
I 11 psy{ @  seqverb ! \ 2019-09-29: hold to be the verb
of an inference.
I 11 psy{ @  quverb ! \ 2019-09-29: query-verb for AskUser;
I 14 psy{ @  seqtkb ! \ 2019-09-29: hold for fetching same
direct object.
0 ynverb !  \ 2018-06-21: since lacking, use quverb for AskUser
seqverb @ seq !  \ 2018-06-21: to be inferred as applying
to subject.
  THEN  \ 2018-06-21: end of test for not-yet-declared seqverb.
THEN  \ 2018-06-21: end of test for nominative.
  THEN  \ 2018-06-21: end of test for fact about prednom as plural subject.
-1 +LOOP   \ 2018-06-21: end of backwards search-loop.

It's pure obfuscation, isn't it? I mean, is there some source code
that is actually readable?


On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 01:38, A.T. Murray  wrote:

> MindForth resets associative tags before each operation of Indicative
> module.
>
> In the MindForth artificial intelligence (AI) for robots, we will now
> start to display an apparatus of diagnostic messages at the start of the
> Indicative module to tell us the values being held in variables which serve
> the purpose of creating associative tags to interconnect the concepts being
> expressed as English words during the operation of the Indicative
> mind-module. Since the ConJoin module will often insert a conjunction
> between two thoughts being generated, the AI Mind Maintainer needs
> assurance that variable-values operative during one thought do not
> erroneously get carried over past a conjunction into the separate process
> of generating another thought.
>
> Just by resetting the tsj time-of-subject variable to zero at the start of
> the Indicative module, we have made the Forthmind able to trigger repeated
> instances of logical InFerence. Each running of the Indicative module
> amounts to a fresh declaration of the associative tags in the conceptual
> flag-panel that supports the generation of ideas in the MindGrid. The
> following dialog still has a few problems, but it shows the repeated
> triggering of an inference.
>
> john is a student
>
> DOES  JOHN  READ  BOOKS
> no
>
>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
> A  JOHN  DOES  NOT  READ  BOOKS
>
>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
> PROFESSORS  TEACH  THE  STUDENTS  AND
>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
> STUDENTS  READ  THE  BOOKS
>
>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
> I  UNDERSTAND  YOU  AND
>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
> YOU  ARE  A  MAGIC
> andru is student
>
> DOES  ANDRU  READ  THE  BOOKS
> no
>
>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
> AN  ANDRU  DOES  NOT  READ  THE  BOOKS  AND
>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
> YOU  READ  THE  BOOKS
>
>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
> PROFESSORS  TEACH  THE  STUDENTS  AND
>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
> STUDENTS  READ  THE  BOOKS
>
>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
> STUDENTS  READ  THE  BOOKS  AND
>   Indicative: tsj= 0 tvb= 0 tdo= 0
> I  THINK
>
> http://ai.neocities.org/mindforth.txt
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.forth/7gUrhuaL9gc/j0zMg_3CBQAJ
>
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[agi] Philosophy Bot I completed in 2:44:07

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

https://youtu.be/JUaDwmnBTHQ

Bot receives facts:

  RAM has a size
  I have RAM

Bot thinks, then asks, logically:

  What is the size of my RAM?

To achieve this, we invent and implement a whole new language which mixes
English and Python (more or less). Complete program: 299 lines

Example procedure in the newly made language (which actually works):

  Ask something about x => proc {
if (x exists):
  ask (what is x?)
else:
  ask (does x exist?)
for (y | x has a y):
  assume ((the y of x) exists)
  ask something about (the y of x)
  }

Tell me that's not innovation.

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Re: [agi] Re: Physical temporal pattern loops

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

I never read my own posts.

Many greetings :)

More dry streaming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0iRzNSFMlI

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 21:35,  wrote:

> If you read your first post, you can see where me and keghn got some of
> our posts from lol.
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Re: [agi] Re: Physical temporal pattern loops

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

We all want to drink

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 21:22,  wrote:

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Re: [agi] Re: Physical temporal pattern loops

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

Uh... huh?

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 02:33,  wrote:

>  Boss want me to come over, to his and wife's place, tomorrow to drink
> cool fuel!!!
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Re: [agi] The Job market.

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

So venting about constantly being rejected is _yet another reason_ for
being rejected?

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 05:45, Matt Mahoney  wrote:

> I was going to suggest he post his resume here. Not that anyone will hire
> him now after seeing this tirade, but he might get some good advice.
>
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 11:30 AM WriterOfMinds 
> wrote:
>
>> In the coming months, the world will pay quite dearly for fucking over
>> my life.
>>
>> THEY WILL PAY, ALL OF THEM!!!
>>
>>
>> That sounds like mass shooter talk. I get that you're in a rough spot,
>> but promising revenge on "the world" (which happens to be full of innocent
>> people) is never acceptable. Cut it out. No one deliberately ruined your
>> life.
>>
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Re: [agi] The Job market.

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The job market truly sucks. It's not only in America.

On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 at 09:16, Alan Grimes via AGI 
wrote:

> I live in the DC area.
> 
> That means just about every major employer in the area requires some
> level of a Top Secret Security clearance due to government contracts.
> These are only ever offered to the brightest college seniors from the
> local colleges. It takes about a year to actually secure one of these,
> and can only be sponsored. Anyone older than a college senior is not
> worth the investment.
> 
> (I'm 41, soon 42).
> 
> The job boards that cover my area are dominated by fossilized job
> postings, these have been up for many months at a time. Apparently some
> corporations do this just for internal budgetary reasons and have no
> intention of hiring anyone, if it isn't actually just a zombie listing.
> 
> There is probably a pool of several thousand unemployed programmers and
> IT people in the area. One job I applied for for simple IT work had over
> 440 applicants. Jobs that I believe to be legitimate are often filled in
> less than 18 hours of being posted.
> 
> One suburb of the DC area, Bethesda Maryland, was noted for having a
> population of 7,700 indians on H1-B visas, ofcourse these are displacing
> any American with the chutzpah to think he could get a job in a hot
> field in his own country...
> 
> I keep an eye on posts regarding visas and Trump's efforts to cut back
> on the visa programs. One poster described the life of a person who
> thought getting a computer science degree would set him up for life.
> Well, the degree renders one "overqualified" for all other positions and
> therefore unemployable.
> 
> There are laws against age discrimination but they can't really be
> enforced.
> 
> I don't think I made any really bad mistakes in my life but nevertheless
> I'm a doomed individual. The liberals have been so papered throughout
> their life that they seem to think that all one needs to get on the boat
> in this society is the will to climb over the rail. That is false, a
> total lie.
> 
> In the coming months, the world will pay quite dearly for fucking over
> my life.
> 
> THEY WILL PAY, ALL OF THEM!!!
> 
> I'm overtired right now, the heat of summer has not yet broken and I'm
> not getting good sleeps. Still 80 degrees in here with the AC on at 3
> AM... (my main computer contining an 8 month number theory computation
> is not helping)
> 
> Anyway, I'll post about AI again when I'm in a better mood.
> 
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> so NO FED -> NO CLOWNS!!!
> 
> Powers are not rights.
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[agi] Physical temporal pattern loops

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These represent actions in the real world. We should represent them as a
record. I propose the following fields:

-Actors [in the event]
-Actions [what is done in the event]
-Results
-Continuations [what might happen afterwards]
-Previous events [what happened before]
-Who wants this
-Who doesn't want this

So, say, the use case is going to the fridge for getting a beer.

-Actors: me
-Actions: I walk etc.
-Results: I can drink
-Continuation: I continue watching TV
-Previous events: I sat down in the couch
-Who wants this: me, obviously
-Who doesn't want this: my wife (lol)

Anyway, that's the idea. You can use the same record for things computers
do, incidentally. And for abstract stuff as well.

-Actors: the matrix
-Actions: matrix multiplication
-Results: data is now in a better representation

etc.

See? You can just program AI.

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Re: [agi] Genetic evolution of logic rules experiment

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> We also know from 35 years of experience (beginning with Cyc) that logic
based knowledge representation is not a path to AGI

I'm begging to differ! But then you already know that I do, I guess :-)

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 23:47, Matt Mahoney  wrote:

> Boolean logic is a subset of neural networks. A single neuron can
> implement any logic gate. Assume the output is clamped between 0 and 1.
>
> A and B = A + B - 1.
> A or B = A + B.
> Not A = -A + 1.
>
> But first order logic is not so simple. We also know from 35 years of
> experience (beginning with Cyc) that logic based knowledge representation
> is not a path to AGI, in spite of what seems to be a straightforward
> approach not requiring a lot of computing power.
>
> I hope you understand why this is the case. You can't train logic models.
> Language evolved to be learnable on slow, massively parallel networks.
> Semantics comes before grammar. If you want to know what works, study text
> compression.
>
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 8:13 AM YKY (Yan King Yin, 甄景贤) <
> generic.intellige...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 9/27/19, Steve Richfield  wrote:
>> > YKY,
>> >
>> > The most basic function of neurons is process control. That is where
>> > evolution started - and continues. We are clearly an adaptive control
>> > system. Unfortunately, there has been little study of the underlying
>> > optimal "logic" of adaptive control systems.
>> >
>> > I strongly believe that a different sort of "logic" is at work, and that
>> > what we call "intelligence" is simply a larger adaptive control system
>> > working according to that "logic". We are clearly more intelligent than
>> > ants, but that is more quantatative than qualitative.
>> >
>> > Learning logic seems like a good idea, but you might want to reconsider
>> the
>> > logic you are learning.
>> >
>> > Steve
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the comment.  It is a very common objection indeed, and also
>> has some good reasons behind it.
>>
>> From cognitive psychology most people tend to believe that the brain uses
>> *model-based* reasoning instead of *rules-based* reasoning.  We don't
>> fully understand the brain's mechanism, but we may guess at some general
>> principles.  I think the brain uses some sort of neural representations,
>> which are composed of neural "*features*", ie, certain patterns of
>> neurons' activations.
>>
>> Each neuron is either ON or OFF or may be regarded to activate with a
>> fuzzy truth value.  Thus we can view each neural feature as a "micro" *logic
>> proposition*.  That creates a rough correspondence between neural
>> representations and logic representations.
>>
>> Indeed, it is not so surprising, as we can express our thoughts into
>> natural language with relative ease, and natural language has the structure
>> of logic propositions.
>>
>> For example, the visual cortex can recognize images such as "cat" and
>> "dog".  Through a dynamical process, it recognizes the situation of "cat
>> chases dog".  This is likely represented by a juxtaposition of "cat",
>> "chase", "dog" neural features.  This is very similar to the
>> *predicate-logic* expression:  chase(cat, dog).
>>
>> So there may not be a huge gap between neural and logical
>> representations.  The next question is:  How does the brain jump from one
>> neural representation state to the next?  In logic, this is achieved via 
>> *rules
>> with variables and quantifiers*.
>>
>> At this point I am not so sure if the brain's mechanism is really similar
>> to the logical mechanism.  That's why I think you raised a good question,
>> and I still don't have a good answer  , but it is a good place to start
>> thinking.
>>
>> So I assume the brain jumps from one neural representation to the next,
>> and that such neural states are formed via juxtaposition of "*concepts*"
>> (which are some neural activation patterns).  One way that this may be
>> different from logic rules is that the neural representations can be
>> "distributive".
>>
>> I need to think about this more, but there may exist a rough
>> correspondence between logic rules and neural state-transitions.
>>
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Re: [agi] The Job market.

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Not bad your paper. Pattern loops, or even: Physical temporal pattern
loops. I'll remember that. Also this "object identity memory" level you
have described. Interesting. AI really simply consists of *many smart
procedures*, and I'm making them daily.

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 15:31,  wrote:

>  I wanted to code my great work and have a humble job that did not
> distract me.
>  But all jobs are taken.
>
>  A fraction of my great work:
>
> https://www.academia.edu/37275998/A_Nice_Artificial_General_Intelligence_How_To_Make_A_Nice_Artificial_General_Intelligence
>
>
>  Your connection with other people, friends and family, is where you need
> to get work.
>  It may not be the job you want but you can not eat dirt for dinner.
>  Job board do not work that well.
>
>  My theories are light years  ahead of  Solomonoff Induction, Kolmogorov
> Complexity, and
> Frieze groups:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frieze_group
>
> https://www.scientificcomputing.com/patterns-are-math-we-love-to-look-at/
>
>  The division between rich and poor widen ever faster.
>
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Re: [agi] Genetic evolution of logic rules experiment

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Uh... so where is it on GitHub?

On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 at 01:41, YKY (Yan King Yin, 甄景贤) <
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> Anyone interested in genetic evolution approach to learn logic rules?
> Each logic rule would be encoded as a gene (individual) and the whole set
> of rules evolve as a entire population.  This is the so-called cooperative
> evolution approach.
>
> My code is about 70-80% completed.  It's in Python, on Github.  Using
> "Naive-Rete" (also in Python) as a minimal rules engine because it would be
> easily modifiable and extensible.  The first test would be to evolve rules
> to play Tic-Tac-Toe (easy enough!)
>
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> intelligent thought"* -- Alfred North Whitehead
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Re: [agi] can someone tell me what before means without saying before in it?

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

Event 1 happens before event 2 :=
  There is a timeline.
  Event 1 is at position X in the timeline.
  Event 2 is at position Y in the timeline.
  Y is to the right of X.

That's one way. Sure, we used other words, but these may happen to mean
something to the AI already.

We could do it even simpler with numbers.

Event 1 happens before event 2 :=
  Event 1 happens at time X.
  Event 2 happens at time Y.
  X < Y.

So, in the presence of some event recorder module, this could already be
used to check something like "Did the window appear before or after you
pressed the key?"

Yeah, I'm all about desktop automation...


On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 at 13:12,  wrote:

> Ive got this feeling, that things are impossible to put.  I want to tell
> my computer what before means,  but I end up just saying before in the
> sentence itself.   "before means before."
>
> That is bullshit.
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Re: [agi] Re: Proposed AI Tests

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Promise kept.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OluvmrZnA0A

On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 02:46, Stefan Reich <
stefan.reich.maker.of@googlemail.com> wrote:

> That paper is pointless. We should implement the test case. By the end of
> tomorrow I will have an editor that solves the example.
>
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 02:44, James Bowery  wrote:
>
>> That's a good start but the plural form of "example" needs extension to
>> plurality and the "simple" needs to be made general.  Fortunately, this was
>> published in the early 60s:
>>
>> "A Formal Theory of Inductive Inference Part I
>> " and "Part II
>> "
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Re: [agi] Re: Proposed AI Tests

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Papers are annoying to read and cannot be executed. Thus pointless.

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Re: [agi] Re: Proposed AI Tests

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I think you might pass the Turing test. Congratulations - you're an A!

:-')

On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 10:07,  wrote:

> a := b
> c := d
> e := f
> g := h
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Re: [agi] Re: Proposed AI Tests

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That paper is pointless. We should implement the test case. By the end of
tomorrow I will have an editor that solves the example.

On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 02:44, James Bowery  wrote:

> That's a good start but the plural form of "example" needs extension to
> plurality and the "simple" needs to be made general.  Fortunately, this was
> published in the early 60s:
>
> "A Formal Theory of Inductive Inference Part I
> " and "Part II
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[agi] Proposed AI Tests

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I propose to test AI with simple examples.

For example, code editing.

User writes:

a = b
c = d
e = f

Then edits a = b into a := b.
Then edits c = d into c := d.

At this point, if you give the AI time to think, it has to propose editing
the third line into e := f.

There's your test.

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Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

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> Compression is the "science" of AGI

Or maybe not

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> Compression is the "science" of AGI and the value function parameterizing
> sequential decision theory is its "engineering".  So, yes, I did need to
> explicate the value function of this test, which is "minimize the size of
> the executable archive of *this* data set (as opposed to one of your own
> choosing based on your own value function my dear little AGI who I hope
> will not turn the universe into one huge quantum computer in order to
> compute the incomputable Kolmogorov Complexity of *this* data set".
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Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

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OK so what they're looking for is a "good pattern finder" algorithm, one
that is small enough that it carries its own weight in this benchmark.
Yeah, it's nice and all, compression is a great thing. But maybe the
algorithms grown here don't really translate to other AI problems all that
well. Image recognition really is a different task than image compression.

On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 00:17,  wrote:

> Compression has to do with the neural model, representations.
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Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

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I don't quite understand that benchmark. When I have a compressor for text,
how would that give me any kind of AI function? Like a machine that answers
questions, recognizes things visually or what have you? Is this related to
AI at all?

On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 23:54, James Bowery  wrote:

> All anyone has to do to prove they've "solve AI" is best The Large Text
> Compression Benchmark .  As a
> fan of Chuck Moore, I eagerly await A. T. Murray's submission to that
> contest (but I'm not holding my breath).
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Re: [agi] Re: AGI Research Without Neural Networks

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On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 at 07:46, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies <
nano...@live.com> wrote:

> We have that, but I'm not convinced such power should be placed in the
> hands of secretive, harvesting corporations with near-unlimited resources.
> While we're tinkering, they'd be rolling out devastating, social-oriented
> products. Rather, we should build our own, ethical products with it.
>

Agreed!


>
> Liberalism and Altruism are quite dead. They just don't know it yet.
>

What are all these ism-s.

2 things I would suggest. Start with memes and blockchain.

Blockwhat? Never heard of it.

>
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> *Sent:* Sunday, 22 September 2019 01:52
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> *Subject:* Re: [agi] Re: AGI Research Without Neural Networks
>
> We need an abstract formulation of knowledge representations as a
> category.  This category would include neural representations and logic
> representations as special cases, but it is general enough to transcend
> both cases.  From this abstract standpoint we could see how much freedom we
> have among AGI architectures.
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 8:52 PM  wrote:
>
>  I have made a model that uses no NN, and a model that uses ANN, and a
> model that uses spiked NN.
>
>
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Re: [agi] Simulation

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> It is like saying that the vast majority of real numbers don't have a
finite length description. I can't give you an example of one of those
either.

Interesting thought. In all fairness, we can just not really interact with
a number which doesn't have a finite description. As soon as we do, we pull
it into our finiteness and it stops being infinite.

Actually, the property of having "a finite description" is very
anthropocentric, isn't it? All depends on our language. e is quite infinite
in a way, yet we can describe it exactly.

How did the topic move to infinite math again? Nevermind, it's always fun.

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[agi] Synonym Bot

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Re: [agi] whats computer vision anyway

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It was a joke... :)

On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 at 01:08, John Rose  wrote:

> On Saturday, September 14, 2019, at 6:19 PM, Stefan Reich wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'm sure I should increase my use of Latin variable names.
>
>
> I mean... maybe but.
>
> When you run an obfuscator or minifier on code what does it do? Removes
> human readable. Minifier minimizes representation. But variable names,
> method names, etc. are largely un-innovated like I was saying. Huge
> opportunity there. It's an abstraction on top of code that is uncoupled to
> the code but coupled to the coder.
>
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Re: [agi] whats computer vision anyway

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Yeah, I'm sure I should increase my use of Latin variable names.

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 at 23:25, John Rose  wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Stefan Reich wrote:
>
> With you, I see zero innovation. No new use case solved, nothing, over the
> past, what, 2 years? No forays into anything other than text (vision,
> auditory, whatever)?
>
>
> Actually, Mentifex did contribute something incredibly bold and unique
> recently. Latin.
>
> What is one of the most un-innovated pieces of computer programming?
>
> Ans: Variable names.
>
> Just think how you can spice things up with a little Latin action going on
> there :)
>
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Re: [agi] whats computer vision anyway

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

Yeah but in all reality, your AI project isn't going anywhere, Mentifex.

Granted, my progress is also hampered by poverty and such, but I do have
something to show and loads of ideas up my sleeve.

With you, I see zero innovation. No new use case solved, nothing, over the
past, what, 2 years? No forays into anything other than text (vision,
auditory, whatever)?

Be a little realistic. I don't hate you, but man it is painful to see
someone claim something that is not real.

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 22:53, A.T. Murray  wrote:

> From the Mentifex Autobiography (link at bottom):
>
> "In the mail that year I received a subscription copy of an issue of
> Scientific American devoted totally to the human brain. One of the authors,
> Dr. David Hubel at Harvard, had written both the foreword and one of the
> major articles, so I figured that this scientist named Hubel was the most
> worthy to receive a copy of my paper, and I mailed it to him at Harvard
> University. I also mailed a copy of it to my scientific hero in
> Switzerland, the Nobelist Sir John Carew Eccles. Months later, Dr. Hubel at
> Harvard wrote back to me that "neural modeling" was not his specialty, and
> so I should send the paper to either David Marr or Tomaso Poggio. I looked
> both of them up in the university library, and it seemed that David Marr
> had done the more important work in the field of vision, so I mailed the
> paper to Marr, who eventually wrote back -- from his deathbed -- that I
> should send the paper to a certain AI researcher at the Massachusetts
> Institute of Technology and not expect an answer but still send the paper.
> I did not bother to send the paper, and anyway that researcher was
> eventually implicated in a major scandal. On the other hand, one day about
> eight months after the mailing of the paper to Switzerland, I was
> absolutely shocked to receive an airmail letter from the Nobelist in
> neuroscience Sir John Carew Eccles. It was so amazing to me to have that
> letter in my hand, that at first I could not open it. I just sat in an
> armchair and stared at the letter from Eccles for ten or twenty or thirty
> minutes, while my mind was racing with a brainstorm of thoughts of what it
> would mean to now be in touch with arguably the world's foremost authority
> on the human brain. When I finally did open the letter, I was flattered to
> read that Sir Eccles thought that I was making a serious contribution. He
> suggested that I send the paper to a certain researcher in New York, but I
> never did."
>
> "A few years later, Dr. David Hubel shared a Nobel prize for his work
> explaining the human visual system. Since I had now heard from two
> Nobelists in neuroscience who took me seriously, I became impervious to the
> slings and arrows of Mentifex-bashers who hounded and vilified me on the
> Internet. The bashing took very strange and unusual forms, though. I
> gradually discovered that in every AI-related newsgroup (discussion forum)
> on Usenet, there was always at least one individual who considered himself
> something like "the king of the hill," or the resident authority on the
> subject matter. These lords of the flies did not like me coming in and
> making my ESC (Extraordinary Scientific Claim) that I was creating True AI
> or Strong AI or Artificial General Intelligence or whatever the
> nomenclature was. Since I believed in my theory of mind, I also believed
> very strongly in the AI software that I was trying to write. But the more I
> tried to communicate my results, the more I was taken for some kind of
> nutcase who was not only wrong but was absolutely convinced that he was
> right. One netgod of Usenet wrote the very first Mentifex FAQ or
> "Frequently Asked Questions" about Mentifex. Other Netizens started doing
> things like putting an anti-Mentifex statement in the "SIG" or "signature"
> block below their Usenet posts. Or they would e-mail me and ask me
> something, then go on anti-Mentifex vendettas for years. I discovered that
> the film director who made Saving Private Ryan had suffered a similar fate
> at the start of his career when he was just one of the guys at a movie
> studio and his co-workers deeply resented both his efforts to rise above
> them and his success in rising above them. Luckily for me, I actually
> enjoyed writing the AI software and getting it to work better and better."
>
> http://ai.neocities.org/mylife33.html -- My Life at Age Thirty-Three
>
> http://ai.neocities.org/VisRecog.html -- Visual Recognition Module
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Re: [agi] Search text for 999999999999999999 words in no time

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

My code just does what yours does, lol.

>  12 seconds to check the full 132MB for any of 72 words

Hmmm... I am actually not _that_ impressed. Searching 10 MB a second? In
RAM? The search tree should fit in the cache, so that can't be the problem.

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 12:03,  wrote:

> Correct.
> I put the search items in a tree instead of putting the data in a tree.
> The little tree searches the data.
> What exactly does your code do?
>
> I made it faster:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5lym9vl2fttrmgd/FasterFastSearch.rar?dl=0
> 268MB becomes 132MB and takes 12 seconds to check the full 132MB for any
> of 72 words (could have set it to ex. 9 words). It takes 12 seconds no
> matter how many words are being searched for.
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Re: [agi] Search text for 999999999999999999 words in no time

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

Actually I made a class doing the same thing, "OccTree
" (occurrence tree). With the "add"
method, you can add a whole word list at once.

It was made in 2017. Do I beat you? :-D

On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 at 21:01, Stefan Reich <
stefan.reich.maker.of@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Interesting. The Huffman compression seems quite unrelated to the actual
> algorithm, but I see you do that to save memory.
>
> Your description is not entirely clear to me. You search for _multiple_
> words at once (possibly very many without loss of speed), right? But the
> system only finds full words (or maybe words with a given prefix, but not
> random substrings of words) because that way the search stays O(n) in the
> length of the text which you describe as "really fast".
>
> Searching for substrings too would make this somewhat slower (probably
> O(n*m) with m being the search word length).
>
> Correct so far?
>
> I do like this, I'm always looking for ways to search through a lot of
> text quickly. I usually look for only a few  strings at a time though. In
> fact I search my code repository many times a day by simple brute force
> (~45 MB). Might be smart to add some indexing. Although in Java with
> Boyer-Moore, I can get the search time down to, I think, 50 ms.
>
>
> On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 at 03:35,  wrote:
>
>> Here's one of the things I just made. Try it out. I tested it on
>> Windows. You can search for any word in a huge amount of data really fast
>> as if it is a 1 word search. Runs on CPU. You can swap the 200MB in the src
>> folder. Run it in Visual Studio 2019. You can edit the words I search for
>> in main.cpp line 199.
>>
>> This is useful for when you have many many items you want to search for
>> and you have a large amount of data to look through.
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/v9vxy1bhpogppkq/FastSearch.rar?dl=0
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Re: [agi] To Kung Fu

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

It's so hard to produce anything with neural networks, and the result is
always so static (can't be retrained easily).

My personal alternative to NN is slowly taking shape. Pretty much, these
are the components:

Coarse procedures 
Genetic optimization
Natural language
Human help

Basically we make *human-understandable procedures* which also optimize
themselves.

Like, if there is an image recognition task, a human throws in a suggestion
like "look for the round red thing on th left", and from this coarse
description, a recognition procedure is quickly learned (few seconds).



On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 03:15, Secretary of Trades 
wrote:

> or CV intelligence at 100+FPS
> 
> https://davheld.github.io/GOTURN/GOTURN.pdf
> 
> Grant: Toyota (automotive)
> Political unit: SAIL (academic)


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Re: [agi] Search text for 999999999999999999 words in no time

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

Interesting. The Huffman compression seems quite unrelated to the actual
algorithm, but I see you do that to save memory.

Your description is not entirely clear to me. You search for _multiple_
words at once (possibly very many without loss of speed), right? But the
system only finds full words (or maybe words with a given prefix, but not
random substrings of words) because that way the search stays O(n) in the
length of the text which you describe as "really fast".

Searching for substrings too would make this somewhat slower (probably
O(n*m) with m being the search word length).

Correct so far?

I do like this, I'm always looking for ways to search through a lot of text
quickly. I usually look for only a few  strings at a time though. In fact I
search my code repository many times a day by simple brute force (~45 MB).
Might be smart to add some indexing. Although in Java with Boyer-Moore, I
can get the search time down to, I think, 50 ms.


On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 at 03:35,  wrote:

> Here's one of the things I just made. Try it out. I tested it on
> Windows. You can search for any word in a huge amount of data really fast
> as if it is a 1 word search. Runs on CPU. You can swap the 200MB in the src
> folder. Run it in Visual Studio 2019. You can edit the words I search for
> in main.cpp line 199.
>
> This is useful for when you have many many items you want to search for
> and you have a large amount of data to look through.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/v9vxy1bhpogppkq/FastSearch.rar?dl=0
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Re: [agi] Re: by successive approximation.

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

Yeah that wasn't bad. I personally like to make the boxes extremely "white"
(human-readable). I actually take very intuitive hand-crafted algorithms
which are already useful and then optimize them using genetic optimization
or similar ways.

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019, 00:20  wrote:

> I like this post!
>
> "Casualty, relational DBs, human Learning, understanding what the data
> means/represents, a flexible net with many types of programs with a single
> skillpool."
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Re: [agi] Re: Failure to Gravitate

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

Sorry if I'm blunt, but these are all really just words, not contributing
to actual AGI production.

On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 at 01:14,  wrote:

> You forgot the newest and the simplest things too ;)
>
> Lots of people focus on all sorts of things, many are between the atomic
> and galactic size, such as HDDs and rooftops. Lol.
>
> ...It is important we focus on the farthest questions, the simplest, the
> newest, the most important, and even seemingly unrelated problems.
>
> But what does farthest mean? What does newest mean? Why bother if they are
> unrelated to AGI? That's correct, we want the farthest and newest and
> oldest questions only if they are about AGI. Many are important, some more
> priority than others. Simpleness can mean quick to answer and higher
> priority. Newest/ oldest/ farthest simply means to give these questions a
> quick check if they are important to answer, they may not be at all, and as
> for farthest - this can allow you to weigh in on if your theory answers all
> sorts of observations, can allow you to learn from related but diverse
> questions.
>
> So in short summary recap: Physics leans towards the most important
> questions on its own. It will give fast checks to old/ new/ far/ simple/
> unrelated questions. The brain will usually (not for some ;) ) try to learn
> as much as can about related/unrelated knowledge as quick as can, related
> more so.  So old/ new doesn't mean much, they are only checked if are fast
> to solve and/or related. Partially unrelated learning is very helpful. So,
> the brain looks for 'new yummy streams' of related and somewhat related
> info that is fast to answer or verify true. Now that I have weaved on a
> roll here in my attentional memory I can say that new/ old/ far as said
> above was really just new info fed in and the brain always wants new
> related+somewhat unrelated info that is fast to answer/ verify, hence
> increasing the knowledgebase learning up high faster. Of course we want to
> answer how to build AGI, it's hard, the brains stay locked on the hard
> problem, but they can get they in polynominal time by stepping the right
> directions down the butterfly tree effect like AlphaZero using self-play
> learning on advanced GPUs made by Nividea. So this means the brain wants to
> tackle the hard, evolution-installed goals of self preservation to death de
> part, and it takes baby steps as fast as can. Usually many want just a
> house and a lover, it's not hard to make a life, it's hard to advance
> evolution though. But these are the smarter ones, they are seeking full
> preservation, and its hard. And the brain allows you to get there fast
> using baby steps, even though it is one of the hardest problems. I say one
> of because AGI is simpler than a global ASI hive or omega structure nebula.
> We tackle AGI because it is the direct easiest step to become immortal near
> instantly. But its hard. But its the best weighed in route. So the brain is
> taking the best fastest route to get what, it wants. And in that process,
> it is taking sub steps that are fast to learn or build in R, to get to
> the AGI goal.
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Re: [agi] FAO: Senator Reich. Law 1

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

Sexist for loops?

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 20:59, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies <
nano...@live.com> wrote:

> I asked irene. She said you must change your coding structures.
>
> --
> *From:* Stefan Reich via AGI 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 05 September 2019 16:24
> *To:* AGI 
> *Subject:* Re: [agi] FAO: Senator Reich. Law 1
>
> Nobody has abused Irene on this list. Relax!
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, 16:00 Nanograte Knowledge Technologies <
> nano...@live.com> wrote:
>
> how about the bot playing a middle-aged, "angry" researcher. slightly
> overdone, wouldn't you say?
>
> --
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> *Sent:* Thursday, 05 September 2019 14:12
> *To:* AGI 
> *Subject:* Re: [agi] FAO: Senator Reich. Law 1
>
> That's not helping you A.T.Murray ;)
>
> more jibberish
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Re: [agi] You can help train desktop image segmentation

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

Yes, and now I extend it to audio (beat detection) on something like this:
https://botcompany.de/images/1102653

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, 12:10  wrote:

> I think your segmentation is different to what im thinking.   ur doing
> vision recognition with it.
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Re: [agi] FAO: Senator Reich. Law 1

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

Nobody has abused Irene on this list. Relax!

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, 16:00 Nanograte Knowledge Technologies <
nano...@live.com> wrote:

> how about the bot playing a middle-aged, "angry" researcher. slightly
> overdone, wouldn't you say?
>
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> That's not helping you A.T.Murray ;)
>
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[agi] This program is a Discord fan

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvcafQ6YTlQ

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Re: [agi] Re: Chess Board Recognizer

[Stefan Reich via AGI]

Not now. I'm doing desktop recognition which opens up new fields of
application.

On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 at 23:26, Secretary of Trades 
wrote:

> Not chess. Try this
>
> https://github.com/EdjeElectronics/OpenCV-Playing-Card-Detector
>
>
> On 02.09.2019 00:19, Stefan Reich via AGI wrote:
> > Oh, thanks for trying. Does it work despite the exception?
> >
> > Yeah, it compiles all its Java sources on first start-up. I should
> > show a better message while it's doing that. I can also ship it binary
> > actually, I just like the "ship source code" approach.
> >
> > Subsequent starts should be reasonably fast.
> >
> > On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 at 13:40,  > <mailto:rounce...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > it took a while to setup -  is there something really big in this
> > thing?
> >
> >
> >
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