Re: [agi] SOTA

2007-01-11 Thread Philip Goetz

On 06/01/07, Gary Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I like the idea of the house being the central AI though and communicating
> to
> house robots through an wireless encrypted protocol to prevent inadvertant
> commands from other systems and hacking.


This is the way it's going to go in my opinion.  In a house or office the
robots would really be dumb actuators - puppets - being controlled from a
central AI which integrates multiple systems together.  That way you can
keep the cost and maintenance requirements of the robot to a bare minimum.
Such a system also future-proofs the robot in a rapidly changing software
world, and allows intelligence to be provided as an internet based service.


If there's a market for this, then why can't I even buy a thermostat
with a timer on it to turn the temperature down at night and up in the
morning?  The most basic home automation, which could have been built
cheaply 30 years ago, is still, if available at all, so rare that I've
never seen it.

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Re: [agi] SOTA

2007-01-11 Thread Mark Waser

If there's a market for this, then why can't I even buy a thermostat
with a timer on it to turn the temperature down at night and up in the
morning?  The most basic home automation, which could have been built
cheaply 30 years ago, is still, if available at all, so rare that I've
never seen it.


Huh?  I've never lived in a home without such (nor been aware that they were 
rare).


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From: "Philip Goetz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Subject: Re: [agi] SOTA



On 06/01/07, Gary Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I like the idea of the house being the central AI though and 
> communicating

> to
> house robots through an wireless encrypted protocol to prevent 
> inadvertant

> commands from other systems and hacking.


This is the way it's going to go in my opinion.  In a house or office the
robots would really be dumb actuators - puppets - being controlled from a
central AI which integrates multiple systems together.  That way you can
keep the cost and maintenance requirements of the robot to a bare 
minimum.

Such a system also future-proofs the robot in a rapidly changing software
world, and allows intelligence to be provided as an internet based 
service.


If there's a market for this, then why can't I even buy a thermostat
with a timer on it to turn the temperature down at night and up in the
morning?  The most basic home automation, which could have been built
cheaply 30 years ago, is still, if available at all, so rare that I've
never seen it.

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Re: [agi] SOTA

2007-01-11 Thread Randall Randall

On Jan 11, 2007, at 1:29 PM, Philip Goetz wrote:

On 06/01/07, Gary Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is the way it's going to go in my opinion.  In a house or  
office the
robots would really be dumb actuators - puppets - being controlled  
from a
central AI which integrates multiple systems together.  That way  
you can
keep the cost and maintenance requirements of the robot to a bare  
minimum.
Such a system also future-proofs the robot in a rapidly changing  
software
world, and allows intelligence to be provided as an internet based  
service.


If there's a market for this, then why can't I even buy a thermostat
with a timer on it to turn the temperature down at night and up in the
morning?  The most basic home automation, which could have been built
cheaply 30 years ago, is still, if available at all, so rare that I've
never seen it.


http://www.google.com/search?q=programmable+thermostat

They're extremely common; there's an entire aisle of such things at my
local Home Depot.

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Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"If you are trying to produce a commercial product in
 a timely and cost efficient way, it is not good to have
 somebody's PhD research on your critical path." -- Chip Morningstar


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Re: [agi] SOTA

2007-01-11 Thread J. Andrew Rogers


On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Philip Goetz wrote:

If there's a market for this, then why can't I even buy a thermostat
with a timer on it to turn the temperature down at night and up in the
morning?  The most basic home automation, which could have been built
cheaply 30 years ago, is still, if available at all, so rare that I've
never seen it.



What country do you live in?  That thermostat technology has been  
ubiquitous in the US for new construction for many years.  Granted,  
older buildings tend to have the thermostats opportunistically  
replaced, but it has been a lot of years and a couple places since I  
didn't live in a place with this type of thermostat.


Apparently, the future has arrived and just is not evenly distributed.


J. Andrew Rogers

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