[agi] Novamente and Hugo de Garis in the japanese media ;-)

2008-12-08 Thread Ben Goertzel
http://robot.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/column/2008/12/08/1489.html


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Re: [agi] Novamente and Hugo de Garis in the japanese media ;-)

2008-12-08 Thread Barry Bentley
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Frobot.watch.impress.co.jp%2Fcda%2Fcolumn%2F2008%2F12%2F08%2F1489.html&sl=ja&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Ben Gatseru of Nobemente   :)


On 08/12/2008, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://robot.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/column/2008/12/08/1489.html


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Re: [agi] AIXI

2008-12-08 Thread Jim Bromer
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Vladimir Nesov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Jim Bromer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I think my criticism of Hutter's theorem may not have been that
>> strong.  I do think that Hutter's theorem may shed some light on why
>> the problem is difficult.  More importantly it helps us to think
>> outside the box.  For instance, it might be the case that an effective
>> AI program cannot be completely defined.  It might need to be
>> constantly changing, in that the program itself can never be defined.
>> I am not saying that is the case, just that it is a possibility

> Was this text even supposed to be coherent?
>
> --
> Vladimir Nesov

Yes.
Jim Bromer


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[agi] Religious attitudes to NBIC technologies

2008-12-08 Thread Richard Loosemore


Another indication that we need to take the public relations issue very 
seriously indeed:  as time passes, this problem of the public attitude 
(and especially the religious attitude) to NBIC technologies will only 
become more extreme:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7767192.stm



Richard Loosemore




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Re: [agi] Religious attitudes to NBIC technologies

2008-12-08 Thread Bob Mottram
2008/12/8 Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Another indication that we need to take the public relations issue very
> seriously indeed:  as time passes, this problem of the public attitude (and
> especially the religious attitude) to NBIC technologies will only become
> more extreme:


People who are highly religious tend to be very "past positive"
according the Zimbardo classification of people according to their
temporal orientation.  For them the ideal formula for living has
already been described by their favourite guru/prophet/leader, so
anything significantly different from this formula (or their
interpretation of it) is to be avoided or resisted.  This doesn't just
apply to nanotechnology, but any technology with the capacity to bring
about social or environmental change.

I agree that in time we will see more polarization around a variety of
technology related issues.


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Re: [agi] Novamente and Hugo de Garis in the japanese media ;-)

2008-12-08 Thread Bob Mottram
Hilarious.  Clearly automated translation still has some way to go.

"How does a company NOBAMENTE?"

Beats me.

"long-term goal is to have a company that was founded in 2001"

It's always nice to have a long term goal situated in the past.

"I live in Maryland and around Europe, and engineers scattered in Brazil"

Och, those engineers are always scattering themselves.

"However, the consulting firm now sell products from companies
trying to migrate to the middle"

If you're going to migrate to anywhere I guess the middle is as good a
place as any.

"Japan to imitate the actions of the users by household robots
will be able to "round one" comics, but in the four years after the
"first round" like a robot that can be realized."

Far out man.

"The robots are making the dialogue company and strongly feel the
power of perception and learning about robots"

Human researchers replaced already!

"according to an interview GATSERU CEO of NOBAMENTE"

GATSERU is presumably Ben's upload, installed to run NOBAMENTE.


Still chuckling,

- Bob


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Re: [agi] Religious attitudes to NBIC technologies

2008-12-08 Thread Philip Hunt
2008/12/8 Bob Mottram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> People who are highly religious tend to be very "past positive"
> according the Zimbardo classification of people according to their
> temporal orientation. [...]
> I agree that in time we will see more polarization around a variety of
> technology related issues.

You're probably right. Part of the problem is that these people
[correctly] believe that science and technology are destroying their
worldview. And as the gaps in scientific knowledge decrease, there's
less roo for the "God of the gaps" to occupy.

Having said that, I'm not aware that nanotechnology or AI are
specifically prohibited by any of the major religions. And if one
society forgoes science, they'll just get outcompeted by their
neighbours.

-- 
Philip Hunt, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html


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Re: [agi] Novamente and Hugo de Garis in the japanese media ;-)

2008-12-08 Thread Eric Burton
I thought Hugo de Garis was in China. I wonder what they're calling him...

On 12/8/08, Bob Mottram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hilarious.  Clearly automated translation still has some way to go.
>
> "How does a company NOBAMENTE?"
>
> Beats me.
>
> "long-term goal is to have a company that was founded in 2001"
>
> It's always nice to have a long term goal situated in the past.
>
> "I live in Maryland and around Europe, and engineers scattered in
> Brazil"
>
> Och, those engineers are always scattering themselves.
>
> "However, the consulting firm now sell products from companies
> trying to migrate to the middle"
>
> If you're going to migrate to anywhere I guess the middle is as good a
> place as any.
>
> "Japan to imitate the actions of the users by household robots
> will be able to "round one" comics, but in the four years after the
> "first round" like a robot that can be realized."
>
> Far out man.
>
> "The robots are making the dialogue company and strongly feel the
> power of perception and learning about robots"
>
> Human researchers replaced already!
>
> "according to an interview GATSERU CEO of NOBAMENTE"
>
> GATSERU is presumably Ben's upload, installed to run NOBAMENTE.
>
>
> Still chuckling,
>
> - Bob
>
>
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Re: [agi] Religious attitudes to NBIC technologies

2008-12-08 Thread Steve Richfield
Everyone,

The problem here is that WE don't have anything to point to as OUR religion,
so that everyone else has the power of stupidity in general and the 1st
amendment in particular, yet we don't have any such power.

I believe that it is possible to fill in this gap, but I don't wish to
discuss incomplete solutions on public forums. However, if you have any
ideas just how OUR religion should be structured, then please feel free to
send them to me, preferably off-line. It would be a real shame to do a bad
job of this, so I'm keeping my detailed thoughts to myself pending a "live
birth".

Note Buddhism's belief structure that does NOT include a Deity.

Note Islam's various provisions for unbelievers to get a free pass, and
sometimes even break a rule here and there, so long as they pretend to
believe.

Any thoughts?

Steve Richfield

On 12/8/08, Philip Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 2008/12/8 Bob Mottram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > People who are highly religious tend to be very "past positive"
> > according the Zimbardo classification of people according to their
> > temporal orientation. [...]
> > I agree that in time we will see more polarization around a variety of
> > technology related issues.
>
> You're probably right. Part of the problem is that these people
> [correctly] believe that science and technology are destroying their
> worldview. And as the gaps in scientific knowledge decrease, there's
> less roo for the "God of the gaps" to occupy.
>
> Having said that, I'm not aware that nanotechnology or AI are
> specifically prohibited by any of the major religions. And if one
> society forgoes science, they'll just get outcompeted by their
> neighbours.
>
> --
> Philip Hunt, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>
>
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Re: [agi] Re: [sl4] Join me on Bebo

2008-12-08 Thread Ryan J. McCall
my apologies, BillK summed up the situation nicely.  I suppose the moral is:
watch out for web services that let you link email accounts.  Somehow I
spammed my whole gmail contact list...

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:02 AM, BillK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Thomas McCabe wrote:
> > I'm not a moderator, but as a fellow list-user I do ask that you
> > please refrain from sending such things to SL4 in future.
> >
>
>
>
> This Bebo invite spam is more Bebo's fault than Ryan's.
>
> Bebo (like many social networking sites) by default assume that new
> users want to send an invite to everyone in their address book. They
> operate a block opt-in policy.  If you just quickly click through the
> buttons you send an invite to everyone in your address book.  Then sit
> and panic when you realize what you've done. :)  Ryan isn't the only
> one that has been caught out by this system.
>
>
> BillK
>
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[agi] Empathic virtual agents ;-)

2008-12-08 Thread Ben Goertzel
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/12/08/virtual-human-empathy.html

-- 
Ben Goertzel, PhD
CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC
Director of Research, SIAI
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

"I intend to live forever, or die trying."
-- Groucho Marx


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