RE: [agi] Psychometric AI
I noticed that too. Seemed like this list doesn't archive attachments (or has particularly good SPAM filter :-). I don't have the paper posted on any site. Will send you a PDF (748 KB). If others want a copy, let me know via email. Thanks! J. W. Hi Please send me a copy too, thanks. YKY -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] Psychometric AI
Hi, I don't think that trying to overfit one's AGI system to some specific set of tests is a really useful approach. Also, I don't think that intelligence tests, as currently formulated for psychometric testing purposes, form a very natural set of developmental milestones for an AGI system. I think it would be possible to create a narrow AI system that passed a lot of IQ tests but still lacked general intelligence -- just as one can create narrow AI systems to play chess, checkers, and so forth. Psychometric tests are only moderately meaningful in the human-intelligence context for which they were devised; applying them beyond the human domain weakens their meaning even further... I don't think it's a boundlessly dumb approach or anything; but it's not an approach I would particularly recommend... -- Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shane Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [agi] Psychometric AI Hi Ben, You think it's a silly approach because...? I'm just about to read their paper and thus I haven't formed an opinion on their approach yet myself. Thanks Shane --- Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may be of interest to someone... Psychometric AI: http://www.cogsci.rpi.edu/peri/main.html A slightly silly approach, IMO, but it would certainly be a tractable research program to apply NM to these tasks I'm more interested in the AGI-SIM approach, however... -- Ben --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] Psychometric AI
I like the gist of it ... though just did quick skim of the paper. In particular I like the idea of pushing/orienting AGI systems toward NLU and human standards to promote usability (or more properly: our ability to mutually relate). As AGI testing and validation goes, some might recall in my IVI Architecture posted here about a year ago, I specified testing to proceed from Mental Status Tests (basic orientation, attention, memory, etc. tests like a human neurologist would administer) - Personality Tests (to detect any severe psychoses, in interest of FAI :-)) - IQ Tests (here's where WAIS, and others would come into play). The latter, I agree, is largely the crux of what is meant by Intelligence. But there is a lot of cognitive framework that needs to be in place first. After standard IQ tests, one would start testing in particular narrower domains of interest to the AGI's application at hand, e.g., AP Chemistry, Astrophysics, Auto Mechanics, Symphonic Composition, or whatever. J. W. Johnston -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Goertzel Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [agi] Psychometric AI Hi, I don't think that trying to overfit one's AGI system to some specific set of tests is a really useful approach. Also, I don't think that intelligence tests, as currently formulated for psychometric testing purposes, form a very natural set of developmental milestones for an AGI system. I think it would be possible to create a narrow AI system that passed a lot of IQ tests but still lacked general intelligence -- just as one can create narrow AI systems to play chess, checkers, and so forth. Psychometric tests are only moderately meaningful in the human-intelligence context for which they were devised; applying them beyond the human domain weakens their meaning even further... I don't think it's a boundlessly dumb approach or anything; but it's not an approach I would particularly recommend... -- Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shane Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [agi] Psychometric AI Hi Ben, You think it's a silly approach because...? I'm just about to read their paper and thus I haven't formed an opinion on their approach yet myself. Thanks Shane --- Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may be of interest to someone... Psychometric AI: http://www.cogsci.rpi.edu/peri/main.html A slightly silly approach, IMO, but it would certainly be a tractable research program to apply NM to these tasks I'm more interested in the AGI-SIM approach, however... -- Ben --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] Psychometric AI
I can't find it in the archives. Can you give me a link? Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of J. W. Johnston ...As AGI testing and validation goes, some might recall in my IVI Architecture posted here about a year ago, I specified testing to proceed from Mental Status Tests (basic orientation, attention, memory, etc. tests like a human neurologist would administer) ... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 9/15/2004 --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [agi] Psychometric AI
I noticed that too. Seemed like this list doesn't archive attachments (or has particularly good SPAM filter :-). I don't have the paper posted on any site. Will send you a PDF (748 KB). If others want a copy, let me know via email. Thanks! J. W. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Voss Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 12:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [agi] Psychometric AI I can't find it in the archives. Can you give me a link? Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of J. W. Johnston ...As AGI testing and validation goes, some might recall in my IVI Architecture posted here about a year ago, I specified testing to proceed from Mental Status Tests (basic orientation, attention, memory, etc. tests like a human neurologist would administer) ... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 9/15/2004 --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
