Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad
It could be done a lot faster if the iPad had a camera. -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com From: Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 6:28:58 AM Subject: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturevideo/artvideo/7865736/Artist-creates-masterpiece-on-an-iPad.html McLuhan argues that touch is the central sense - the one that binds the others. He may be right. The i-devices integrate touch into intelligence. agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad
that's like saying cartography or cartoons could be done a lot faster if they just used cameras - ask Michael to explain what the hand can draw that the camera can't From: Matt Mahoney Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 2:21 PM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad It could be done a lot faster if the iPad had a camera. -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com From: Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 6:28:58 AM Subject: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturevideo/artvideo/7865736/Artist-creates-masterpiece-on-an-iPad.html McLuhan argues that touch is the central sense - the one that binds the others. He may be right. The i-devices integrate touch into intelligence. agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad
AGI is all about building machines that think, so you don't have to. -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com From: Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 9:37:51 AM Subject: Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad that's like saying cartography or cartoons could be done a lot faster if they just used cameras - ask Michael to explain what the hand can draw that the camera can't From: Matt Mahoney Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 2:21 PM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad It could be done a lot faster if the iPad had a camera. -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com From: Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 6:28:58 AM Subject: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturevideo/artvideo/7865736/Artist-creates-masterpiece-on-an-iPad.html McLuhan argues that touch is the central sense - the one that binds the others. He may be right. The i-devices integrate touch into intelligence. agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad
Matt:
AGI is all about building machines that think, so you don't have to.
Matt,
I'm afraid that's equally silly and also shows a similar lack of understanding
of sensors and semiotics.
An AGI robot won't know what it's like to live inside a human skin, and will
have limited understanding of our life problems -different body, different
sensors, different body metaphors, and ergo different connotations for signs it
may use.
So, sorry, you're just going to have to keep thinking.
Funny this, because I just posted the following elsewhere:
What's The Difference between Dawkins The Pope?
We are survival machines-robot vehicles blindly programmed to preserve the
selfish molecules known as genes
The Pope
Why did God make you? God made me to know him, love him and serve him in this
world, and be with him forever in the next
Richard Dawkins
God, genes, what's the diff, ? Same basic urge to subordinate the human to a
higher purpose, to be worshipped and adored. Is there any real difference
between so many scientists and religious here?
{And one might add, AGI-ers with their omnipotent SuperAGI - in nomine
Turing, et Neumann, et Minsky].
From: Matt Mahoney
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 3:20 PM
To: agi
Subject: Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad
AGI is all about building machines that think, so you don't have to.
-- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com
From: Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk
To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 9:37:51 AM
Subject: Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad
that's like saying cartography or cartoons could be done a lot faster if they
just used cameras - ask Michael to explain what the hand can draw that the
camera can't
From: Matt Mahoney
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 2:21 PM
To: agi
Subject: Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad
It could be done a lot faster if the iPad had a camera.
-- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com
From: Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk
To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 6:28:58 AM
Subject: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad
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McLuhan argues that touch is the central sense - the one that binds the others.
He may be right. The i-devices integrate touch into intelligence.
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RE: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad
An AGI may not really think like we do, it may just execute code. Though I suppose you could program a lot of fuzzy loops and idle speculation, entertaining possibilities, having human think envy.. John From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:matmaho...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:21 AM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad AGI is all about building machines that think, so you don't have to. -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com _ From: Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 9:37:51 AM Subject: Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad that's like saying cartography or cartoons could be done a lot faster if they just used cameras - ask Michael to explain what the hand can draw that the camera can't From: Matt Mahoney mailto:matmaho...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 2:21 PM To: agi mailto:agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad It could be done a lot faster if the iPad had a camera. -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com _ From: Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 6:28:58 AM Subject: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturevideo/artvideo/7865736/Artist-crea tes-masterpiece-on-an-iPad.html McLuhan argues that touch is the central sense - the one that binds the others. He may be right. The i-devices integrate touch into intelligence. agi | https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now Archives https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ | Modify Your Subscription https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad
An AGI only has to predict your behavior so that it can serve you better by giving you what you want without you asking for it. It is not a copy of your mind. It is a program that can call a function that simulates your mind for some arbitrary purpose determined by its programmer. -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com From: John G. Rose johnr...@polyplexic.com To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 11:39:23 AM Subject: RE: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad An AGI may not really think like we do, it may just execute code. Though I suppose you could program a lot of fuzzy loops and idle speculation, entertaining possibilities, having human think envy.. John From:Matt Mahoney [mailto:matmaho...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:21 AM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad AGI is all about building machines that think, so you don't have to. -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com From:Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 9:37:51 AM Subject: Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad that's like saying cartography or cartoons could be done a lot faster if they just used cameras - ask Michael to explain what the hand can draw that the camera can't From:Matt Mahoney Sent:Friday, July 02, 2010 2:21 PM To:agi Subject:Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad It could be done a lot faster if the iPad had a camera. -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com From:Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 6:28:58 AM Subject: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturevideo/artvideo/7865736/Artist-creates-masterpiece-on-an-iPad.html McLuhan argues that touch is the central sense - the one that binds the others. He may be right. The i-devices integrate touch into intelligence. agi| Archives | Modify Your Subscription agi| Archives| Modify Your Subscription agi| Archives| Modify Your Subscription agi| Archives| ModifyYour Subscription agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
RE: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad
Sounds like everyone would want one, or, one AGI could service us all. And that AGI could do all of the heavy thinking for us. We could become pleasure seeking, fibrillating blobs of flesh and bone suckling on the electronic brains of one big giant AGI. John From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:matmaho...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 1:16 PM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad An AGI only has to predict your behavior so that it can serve you better by giving you what you want without you asking for it. It is not a copy of your mind. It is a program that can call a function that simulates your mind for some arbitrary purpose determined by its programmer. -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com _ From: John G. Rose johnr...@polyplexic.com To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 11:39:23 AM Subject: RE: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad An AGI may not really think like we do, it may just execute code. Though I suppose you could program a lot of fuzzy loops and idle speculation, entertaining possibilities, having human think envy.. John From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:matmaho...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:21 AM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad AGI is all about building machines that think, so you don't have to. -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com _ From: Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 9:37:51 AM Subject: Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad that's like saying cartography or cartoons could be done a lot faster if they just used cameras - ask Michael to explain what the hand can draw that the camera can't From: Matt Mahoney mailto:matmaho...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 2:21 PM To: agi mailto:agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad It could be done a lot faster if the iPad had a camera. -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com _ From: Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 6:28:58 AM Subject: [agi] masterpiece on an iPad http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturevideo/artvideo/7865736/Artist-crea tes-masterpiece-on-an-iPad.html McLuhan argues that touch is the central sense - the one that binds the others. He may be right. The i-devices integrate touch into intelligence. agi | https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now Archives https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ | Modify Your Subscription https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
