BUS: Pend "Not an Apple campsite"
On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:02 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > The proposal pool currently contains the following proposal(s): > > ID Author(s)AI Title > - > pp1G. 3.0 Not an Apple campsite Now that I have some to spend, I pay 4 Shinies to Agora and pend this proposal. -o
Re: BUS: Pend "Not an Apple campsite"
The below-quoted message is impossible; I did not hold any Shinies with which to pay. -o > On Jan 5, 2017, at 3:21 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:02 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > >> The proposal pool currently contains the following proposal(s): >> >> ID Author(s)AI Title >> - >> pp1G. 3.0 Not an Apple campsite > > I pay 4 Shinies to Agora and pend this proposal. > > -o
BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly report
I retract this “report.” The portion purporting to describe balances is incorrect. -o > On Jan 5, 2017, at 3:12 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > Secretary's Weekly Report > > Date of this report: Thu 5 Jan 2017 > Date of last report: Sun 27 Nov 2016 > > > Recent events (all times UTC) > > - previous report - > - time of last report - > Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:07:27 + Payday [Players: ais523, Alexis, aranea, > Aris, Charles, G., Henri, Murphy, nichdel, > o, omd, Roujo, Sci_Guy12, Sprocklem, > Tekneek, the Warrigal, Yally, 天火狐] > > > Personal Lockouts: None > > > Global Lockout: No > > > Balances: > > Agora: 820 Shinies > > Player Shinies > -- > ais523 10 > Alexis 10 > aranea 10 > Aris10 > Charles 10 > G. 10 > Henri 10 > Murphy 10 > nichdel 10 > o 10 > omd 10 > Roujo 10 > Sci_Guy12 10 > Sprocklem 10 > Tekneek 10 > Warrigal, the 10 > Yally 10 > 天火狐 10 > > Organization Shinies > > > > Budgets: > > Player ABM ACU 蘭亭社 Expenditure > -- > ais523 25 30 55 > aranea 25 50 75 > Murphy 50 50 > nichdel 25 25 > o 100 100 > omd 20 20 > Sprocklem 25 20 45 > 天火狐 5050 > > Income 100 27050 420 > > ABM = The Agoran Betting Market > ACU = The Agoran Credit Union
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Secretary] Payday
TTttPF. -o > On Jan 6, 2017, at 12:05 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > The following portions of the message quoted below are in error: > >> I cause Agora to pay the following salaries, by announcement: > > I did not identify the authority I was using, and I do not personally have > this authority. > > No payments identified in the message are possible under the rules. > > -o > >> On Jan 5, 2017, at 3:07 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >> Hopefully this is the right forum for this. >> >> I cause Agora to pay the following salaries, by announcement: >> >> ais523 10 Shinies >> Alexis 10 Shinies >> aranea 10 Shinies >> Aris10 Shinies >> Charles 10 Shinies >> G. 10 Shinies >> Henri 10 Shinies >> Murphy 10 Shinies >> nichdel 10 Shinies >> o 10 Shinies >> omd 10 Shinies >> Roujo 10 Shinies >> Sci_Guy12 10 Shinies >> Sprocklem 10 Shinies >> Tekneek 10 Shinies >> Warrigal, the [3] 10 Shinies >> Yally 10 Shinies >> 天火狐 10 Shinies >> >> Agora’s balance is now 820 Shinies. >> >> -o
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Secretary] Payday
I CFJ:
On or around 05-Jan-17 08:07:23 UTC, o caused Agora to pay 10 Shinies to G.
(picked myself as I hold offices).
Arguments as previous - case log later.
As Arbitor:
- I assign this CFJ ID number 3473.
- I assign CFJ 3473 to Alexis.
-G.
I assign this case
On Thu, 5 Jan 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> I favor whatever case comes out of this.
>
> -Alexis
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017, 15:36 Aris Merchant,
> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Kerim Aydin
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 5 Jan 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >> there's nothing that says the "plus 10" can't be in a separate later
> message,
> >> or that you can't do partial awards in general, as long as you get
> it all in
> >> within 7 days. For example, which of the following work, or don't
> work:
> >
> > Relevant addition. This clause:
> >> If Agora's Balance becomes 0 or less before every player is
> paid,
> >> the Secretary SHALL continue to cause Agora to pay until every
> >> player has been paid.
> >
> > on one hand implies that a single message with all transfers doesn't
> fail
> > because Agora runs out of money halfway through the message
> execution. On
> > the other hand, it implies that the Secretary's duties may be
> partially
> > satisfied and still work ("continue to cause", implying that it's a
> set of
> > separable transfers, that can be interrupted and re-started).
> I tend to be of the opinion that partial paying succeeds. It seems to
> be that generally when you authorize someone to pay out a certain
> amount of money, you also implicitly authorize them to pay out less
> than that amount. The authorization and the obligation are separate,
> so it should work. Even if that isn't so, the rule doesn't say
> anything about it all being required to happen in one message (as G.
> says), although accepting the latter without the former leads to the
> somewhat surprising conclusion that payments can retroactively fail
> (or, more sanely, that the payment is not final until complete). It
> would be interesting to see how a CFJ would go though.
>
> What does everyone think about making this an automatic transaction,
> which the Secretary merely obliged to report it, perhaps in a self
> ratifying way? It would avoid this problem, and not enough things
> happen platonically. Oh, and just to mention the other proposed
> solution, I think a CoE would fail (payment happens once, except
> possibly with credit systems).
>
> -Aris
>
>
>
BUS: another recusal
I recuse Walker from CFJ 3454.
BUS: quick case clearance
(this is over a year old now...) I recuse nichdel from CFJ 3457. I assign CFJ 3457 to myself. I judge CFJ 3457 FALSE. Judge's Arguments: The switch that OscarMeyr purported to flip in order to join the Agoran Betting Market did not actually exist.
BUS: Pend "Not an Apple campsite"
On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:02 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > The proposal pool currently contains the following proposal(s): > > ID Author(s)AI Title > - > pp1G. 3.0 Not an Apple campsite I pay 4 Shinies to Agora and pend this proposal. -o
BUS: [Secretary] Payday
Hopefully this is the right forum for this. I cause Agora to pay the following salaries, by announcement: ais523 10 Shinies Alexis 10 Shinies aranea 10 Shinies Aris10 Shinies Charles 10 Shinies G. 10 Shinies Henri 10 Shinies Murphy 10 Shinies nichdel 10 Shinies o 10 Shinies omd 10 Shinies Roujo 10 Shinies Sci_Guy12 10 Shinies Sprocklem 10 Shinies Tekneek 10 Shinies Warrigal, the [3] 10 Shinies Yally 10 Shinies 天火狐 10 Shinies Agora’s balance is now 820 Shinies. -o
