Re: OFF: Re: BUS: [ADoP] Election Time Extension

[Gaelan Steele]

I conditionally vote for Assessor as follows: {Gaelan, PSS} followed by {all 
players nichdel votes for, in the order in which e votes for them, excluding 
Gaelan and PSS}

Gaelan

> On Oct 4, 2017, at 11:41 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> 
> I shame them, rather than shaning them. And what I meant was I issue
> them Humiliating Public Reminders.
> 
> I also clarify that I vote Alexis in the Tailor election and PRESENT
> for Assessor.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:39 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> Addendum: ENDORSE votes not being votes apparently, I also publically
>> shane Quazie, Trigon and Alexis,
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:12 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>>> I vote Alexis in the first election and PRESENT in the second.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:11 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
 On the 27th, I initiated elections for Tailor and Assessor. I had the
 quorum at 2.0 but it was actually 8.0, I was right the first time. The
 incorrect statement changed nothing. Therefore, the election is
 extended by another 7 days. The votes currently stand at this:
 
 ===Tailor===
 Alexis: Alexis
 Quazie: Endorse G unless that would lead to a vote for Quazie
 Trigon: Alexis
 PSS: {Alexis, PSS}
 o. If Alexis votes, endorse Alexis.
 
 ===Assessor===
 Alexis: Endorse G.
 Quazie: Endorse G unless that would lead to a vote for Quazie
 Trigon: Endorse G.
 PSS: {PSS, G}
 o.: The first player to unconditionally vote themselves (that is currently 
 PSS)
 
 I issue Humiliating Public Reminders to myself (oh dear!), Aris,
 Murphy, 天火狐, Gaelan, Ienpw III, omd, Bayushi, nichdel, G, Cuddlebeam,
 ATMunn and ProofTechnique.
 
 I also would like to use this platform to unofficially remind all you
 fools to donate to the Community Chest.
 
 From V.J. Rada
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> From V.J. Rada
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> From V.J. Rada
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> From V.J. Rada

Re: OFF: Re: BUS: [ADoP] Election Time Extension

[Rubin Stacy]

In order to clear up any and all confusion, I retract my vote for Arbitor
and replace it with a PRESENT vote.

--
Trigon
--

On Oct 5, 2017 12:39 AM, "VJ Rada"  wrote:

> Addendum: ENDORSE votes not being votes apparently, I also publically
> shane Quazie, Trigon and Alexis,
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:12 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> > I vote Alexis in the first election and PRESENT in the second.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:11 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> >> On the 27th, I initiated elections for Tailor and Assessor. I had the
> >> quorum at 2.0 but it was actually 8.0, I was right the first time. The
> >> incorrect statement changed nothing. Therefore, the election is
> >> extended by another 7 days. The votes currently stand at this:
> >>
> >> ===Tailor===
> >> Alexis: Alexis
> >> Quazie: Endorse G unless that would lead to a vote for Quazie
> >> Trigon: Alexis
> >> PSS: {Alexis, PSS}
> >> o. If Alexis votes, endorse Alexis.
> >>
> >> ===Assessor===
> >> Alexis: Endorse G.
> >> Quazie: Endorse G unless that would lead to a vote for Quazie
> >> Trigon: Endorse G.
> >> PSS: {PSS, G}
> >> o.: The first player to unconditionally vote themselves (that is
> currently PSS)
> >>
> >> I issue Humiliating Public Reminders to myself (oh dear!), Aris,
> >> Murphy, 天火狐, Gaelan, Ienpw III, omd, Bayushi, nichdel, G, Cuddlebeam,
> >> ATMunn and ProofTechnique.
> >>
> >> I also would like to use this platform to unofficially remind all you
> >> fools to donate to the Community Chest.
> >>
> >> From V.J. Rada
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > From V.J. Rada
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada
>

Re: OFF: Re: BUS: [ADoP] Election Time Extension

[VJ Rada]

I also issue such a reminder to o. for eir conditional Tailor vote.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:41 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> I shame them, rather than shaning them. And what I meant was I issue
> them Humiliating Public Reminders.
>
> I also clarify that I vote Alexis in the Tailor election and PRESENT
> for Assessor.
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:39 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> Addendum: ENDORSE votes not being votes apparently, I also publically
>> shane Quazie, Trigon and Alexis,
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:12 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>>> I vote Alexis in the first election and PRESENT in the second.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:11 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
 On the 27th, I initiated elections for Tailor and Assessor. I had the
 quorum at 2.0 but it was actually 8.0, I was right the first time. The
 incorrect statement changed nothing. Therefore, the election is
 extended by another 7 days. The votes currently stand at this:

 ===Tailor===
 Alexis: Alexis
 Quazie: Endorse G unless that would lead to a vote for Quazie
 Trigon: Alexis
 PSS: {Alexis, PSS}
 o. If Alexis votes, endorse Alexis.

 ===Assessor===
 Alexis: Endorse G.
 Quazie: Endorse G unless that would lead to a vote for Quazie
 Trigon: Endorse G.
 PSS: {PSS, G}
 o.: The first player to unconditionally vote themselves (that is currently 
 PSS)

 I issue Humiliating Public Reminders to myself (oh dear!), Aris,
 Murphy, 天火狐, Gaelan, Ienpw III, omd, Bayushi, nichdel, G, Cuddlebeam,
 ATMunn and ProofTechnique.

 I also would like to use this platform to unofficially remind all you
 fools to donate to the Community Chest.

 From V.J. Rada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From V.J. Rada
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J. Rada
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: OFF: Re: BUS: [ADoP] Election Time Extension

[VJ Rada]

I shame them, rather than shaning them. And what I meant was I issue
them Humiliating Public Reminders.

I also clarify that I vote Alexis in the Tailor election and PRESENT
for Assessor.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:39 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> Addendum: ENDORSE votes not being votes apparently, I also publically
> shane Quazie, Trigon and Alexis,
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:12 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> I vote Alexis in the first election and PRESENT in the second.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:11 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>>> On the 27th, I initiated elections for Tailor and Assessor. I had the
>>> quorum at 2.0 but it was actually 8.0, I was right the first time. The
>>> incorrect statement changed nothing. Therefore, the election is
>>> extended by another 7 days. The votes currently stand at this:
>>>
>>> ===Tailor===
>>> Alexis: Alexis
>>> Quazie: Endorse G unless that would lead to a vote for Quazie
>>> Trigon: Alexis
>>> PSS: {Alexis, PSS}
>>> o. If Alexis votes, endorse Alexis.
>>>
>>> ===Assessor===
>>> Alexis: Endorse G.
>>> Quazie: Endorse G unless that would lead to a vote for Quazie
>>> Trigon: Endorse G.
>>> PSS: {PSS, G}
>>> o.: The first player to unconditionally vote themselves (that is currently 
>>> PSS)
>>>
>>> I issue Humiliating Public Reminders to myself (oh dear!), Aris,
>>> Murphy, 天火狐, Gaelan, Ienpw III, omd, Bayushi, nichdel, G, Cuddlebeam,
>>> ATMunn and ProofTechnique.
>>>
>>> I also would like to use this platform to unofficially remind all you
>>> fools to donate to the Community Chest.
>>>
>>> From V.J. Rada
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J. Rada
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: CFJ re Ben Öyle Öneriyorum and G: Overlord of Dunce

[VJ Rada]

I use shinies to call a CFJ with the statement: "Ben Öyle Öneriyorum
is an agency"

Ben Öyle Öneriyorum was established in May with the powers of another
agency called GOD.  GOD's name was created and has always been listed
as G is Overlord of Dunce, which is patently invalid as a name ("is"
is a verb, so the agency's name is invalid, so the agency could not be
an agency).

I ratified the following document yesterday.

> {{There is an agency with the following text.
> "G: Overlord of Dunce  (GOD)
> Head: Quazie
> Agents:  G.
> Powers:   1 - The ability to give notice to establish Agencies with
>  Quazie as the Director or Head and G. as the only agent
>  2 - The ability to establish Agencies with Quazie as the Director or
>  Head and G. as the only agent".
> That agency was established by a message sent by Quazie, purporting to
> establish a message called "G is Overlord of Dunce", but the name of
> the agency is, and has been since its establishment, "G: Overlord of
> Dunce"}}

The question is this: what, if any effect does this ratification have,
and if it has the effect of making G: Overlord of Dunce an agency,
does it also ratify previous actions that purported to use "GOD" to do
things (the one thing it was used for was the establishment of BOO)

I also call a linked CFJ  (yes, I know those don't exist) with Shinies
with the statement: "G: Overlord of Dunce is an Agency."


-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [ADoP] Election Time Extension

[VJ Rada]

Ttttpf

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:12 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> I vote Alexis in the first election and PRESENT in the second.
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:11 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> On the 27th, I initiated elections for Tailor and Assessor. I had the
>> quorum at 2.0 but it was actually 8.0, I was right the first time. The
>> incorrect statement changed nothing. Therefore, the election is
>> extended by another 7 days. The votes currently stand at this:
>>
>> ===Tailor===
>> Alexis: Alexis
>> Quazie: Endorse G unless that would lead to a vote for Quazie
>> Trigon: Alexis
>> PSS: {Alexis, PSS}
>> o. If Alexis votes, endorse Alexis.
>>
>> ===Assessor===
>> Alexis: Endorse G.
>> Quazie: Endorse G unless that would lead to a vote for Quazie
>> Trigon: Endorse G.
>> PSS: {PSS, G}
>> o.: The first player to unconditionally vote themselves (that is currently 
>> PSS)
>>
>> I issue Humiliating Public Reminders to myself (oh dear!), Aris,
>> Murphy, 天火狐, Gaelan, Ienpw III, omd, Bayushi, nichdel, G, Cuddlebeam,
>> ATMunn and ProofTechnique.
>>
>> I also would like to use this platform to unofficially remind all you
>> fools to donate to the Community Chest.
>>
>> From V.J. Rada
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: [ADoP] Election Time Extension

[VJ Rada]

On the 27th, I initiated elections for Tailor and Assessor. I had the
quorum at 2.0 but it was actually 8.0, I was right the first time. The
incorrect statement changed nothing. Therefore, the election is
extended by another 7 days. The votes currently stand at this:

===Tailor===
Alexis: Alexis
Quazie: Endorse G unless that would lead to a vote for Quazie
Trigon: Alexis
PSS: {Alexis, PSS}
o. If Alexis votes, endorse Alexis.

===Assessor===
Alexis: Endorse G.
Quazie: Endorse G unless that would lead to a vote for Quazie
Trigon: Endorse G.
PSS: {PSS, G}
o.: The first player to unconditionally vote themselves (that is currently PSS)

I issue Humiliating Public Reminders to myself (oh dear!), Aris,
Murphy, 天火狐, Gaelan, Ienpw III, omd, Bayushi, nichdel, G, Cuddlebeam,
ATMunn and ProofTechnique.

I also would like to use this platform to unofficially remind all you
fools to donate to the Community Chest.

>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: [Secretary] Innocent Mistake Ratification

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Oct 5, 2017, at 1:28 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> I intend, without objection, to ratify that, at the moment the Secretary 
> published eir purported Weekly Report on October 3rd, the Floating Value was 
> as follows:
> 
> {
>   Floating Value: 132
> }

Based on feedback, I’m abandoning this intent. Instead, I intend to ratify the 
portion of the Secretary’s weekly report, published October 3rd of this year, 
that reads as follows:

{
Floating Value: 132
}

-o



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BUS: Deregistration

[VJ Rada]

Without objection, I intend to deregister our longest standing player, Murphy.

If this goes through every player will have joined this year I think.
ais deregistered recently,

-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Deregistration

[Kerim Aydin]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> Without objection, I intend to deregister our longest standing player, Murphy.
> 
> If this goes through every player will have joined this year I think.
> ais deregistered recently,

I Object.  -G.

BUS: [Secretary] Innocent Mistake Ratification

[Owen Jacobson]

I intend, without objection, to ratify that, at the moment the Secretary 
published eir purported Weekly Report on October 3rd, the Floating Value was as 
follows:

{
Floating Value: 132
}

(This is a portion of the Secretary’s report on that date.)

It wasn’t, and couldn’t have been. The resolution of CFJ 3561 means that stamps 
I had accounted for as destroyed for profit were instead still in existence, 
and payment never tendered for them. This means that Agora’s true balance was 
not 132 sh., and I could not have flipped the FV to that value.

Neither reverting to the previous week’s FV or using the current FV are 
satisfying, as both are significantly lower - and in any case changing the FV 
would likely invalidate several actions that depended on the FV. I can see no 
upside to all of that work and all of those ruffled feathers.

-o



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BUS: Re: OFF: [Agronomist] Weekly Report

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Oct 5, 2017, at 12:09 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> Agronomist's Weekly Report
> 
> Date of this report: Thu,  5 Oct 2017
> Date of last report: Never

I claim a reward of 5 sh. for this report.

-o



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Re: BUS: Archival disclosure

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Sep 28, 2017, at 3:05 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> As part of a project to mechanize some of my reports (and, hopefully, others 
> eventually), I will begin archiving public messages to a Heroku application 
> in approximately 72 hours, unless someone objects before that time. Once I 
> begin archiving, I will retroactively archive all public messages I have at 
> my disposal, stretching back well over a year; I would also welcome 
> submissions from others who have much more substantial archives.

I have resolved the first part of this intent. Agora emails are now 
automatically archived to cadastre.herokuapp.com 
 as they arrive at my mailbox. I’ll import 
historical messages when I get around to it - I’ll have to upgrade that 
service’s database (for a princely $7/mo) to store more than 10k rows, so I’m 
going to evaluate my options, first. (I do have a postgres server I could use 
for this, but whether I care to accept connections from the internet or not, 
I’m not sure yet.)

-o




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BUS: Test

[Owen Jacobson]

This isn’t part of a timing scam, but it is a test of the public fora. I 
apologize for the noise.

-o



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BUS: Press cheque

[Owen Jacobson]

I pay the Celestial Fire Fox (sorry, not somewhere where I can copy-and-paste 
the correct characters) 2 sh. for eir excellent work putting together the 
newspaper.

I pay G. 2 shinies for eir excellent work putting together the Gazette.

-o



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BUS: Clarity Act.

[Alexis Hunt]

I propose the following and pend it with an AP.

Proposal: Clarity Act (AI=3)
{{{
Text in square brackets is not a part of this proposal's substance and
is ignored when it takes effect.

Enact a new power 3 rule entitled Voting Methods, reading as follows:
  Each Agoran decision has a voting method, which must be
  AI-majority, instant runoff, or first-past-the-post. The voting
  method is that specified by the authorizing authority, or
  first-past-the-post by default.

  Each Agoran decision has a set of valid options (the choices that
  the voters are being asked to select from) and valid votes (the
  ways in which the voters can express their opinion or lack thereof.
  For AI-majority decisions, the valid options are FOR and AGAINST;
  for other decisions, the valid options are defined by other rules.

  The valid votes on an Agoran decision are:
  1. PRESENT;
  2. The valid conditional votes, as defined by rules of power at
 least that of this rule; and
  3. For an instant runoff decision, the ordered lists of entities.
  4. For any other decision, the valid options.

[This splits off the portion of 955 that isn't actually related to
 resolution. The definition of instant runoff is changed to evaluate
 validity of options at the end of the voting period, and avoid
 retroactively invalidating votes if an option drops out.]

Amend Rule 955 by replacing the second paragraph and numbered list with
the following and by deleting the second bullet in the unnumbered list.
  1. For an AI-majority decision, let F be the total strength of all
 valid ballots cast FOR a decision, A be the same for AGAINST,
 and AI be the adoption index of the decision. The outcome is
 ADOPTED if F/A >= AI and F/A > 1 (or F>0 and A=0), otherwise
 REJECTED.

  2. For an instant runoff decision, the outcome is whichever option
 wins according to the standard definition of instant runoff.
 For this purpose, a ballot of strength N is treated as if it
 were N distinct ballots expressing the same preferences. In
 case multiple valid options tie for the lowest number of votes
 at any stage, the vote collector CAN and must, in the
 announcement of the decision's resolution, select one such
 option to eliminate; if, for M > 1, all eir possible choices in
 the next M stages would result in the same set of options being
 eliminated, e need not specify the order of elimination. If an
 entity that is part of a valid vote is not a valid option at
 the end of the voting period, or disqualified by the rule
 providing for the decision, then that entity is eliminated
 prior to the first round of counting.

  3. For a first-past-the-post decision, the outcome is whichever
 option received the highest total strength of valid ballots. In
 case of a tie, the vote collector CAN and must, in the
 announcement of the decision's resolution, select one of the
 leaders as the outcome.

[No change here, except for removing the valid votes, and clearly
 specifying what happens to options that are no longer valid at the end
 of the voting period.]

If the text "The rule providing for an Agoran Decision by instant runoff
may disqualify one or more options; in such a case, they are eliminated
prior to beginning the first stage of the vote count." appears in Rule
955, delete it.

[Coordinating amendment to the Election Procedure proposal. H. Assessor,
 please resolve that one first.]

Amend Rule 2127 to read as follows:
  A conditional vote on an Agoran decision is a vote which indicates
  a vote based on some condition(s). A conditional vote is evaluated
  at the end of the voting period and, rules to the contrary
  notwithstanding, is clearly specified if and only if the value of
  the condition(s) is/are determinate at the end of the voting
  period. If the conditional is clearly specified, and evaluates to
  a valid vote, it is counted as that vote; otherwise, it is counted
  as PRESENT.

  Any vote which is clearly expressed as a conditional, e.g. "FOR if
   is true, AGAINST otherwise", is a valid conditional vote that
  evaluates as specified.

  A vote endorsing another person is equivalent to a conditional
  vote evaluating to the vote specified in that person's valid
  ballot on the decision, if any.

  For an instant runoff decision, a vote consisting of a list, one
  or more entries of which are valid conditional votes, and the
  remaining entries of which are valid options, is a valid
  conditional vote. Such a vote is evaluated by evaluating each
  conditional entry to a list of votes (or an empty list, if it
  evaluates to PRESENT either directly or indirectly), and then
  concatenating those lists with the specified valid option

BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

If I have a stamp, depending on the gamestate, I destroy a stamp, gaining 27 
shinies.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Oct 3, 2017, at 9:35 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> As Secretary, I flip the Floating Value to 132.
> 
> Secretary's Weekly Report
> 
> Date of this report: Wed,  3 Oct 2017
> Date of last report: Tue, 26 Sep 2017
> 
> Recent events (all times UTC):
> 
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:22:23  Agora paid o 15 sh.
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:22:23  Agora paid K 50 sh.
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:27:39  CuddleBeam destroyed a CuddleBeam stamp
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:27:39  Agora paid CuddleBeam 23 sh.
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:27:39  CuddleBeam paid Agora 68 sh.
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:31:02  CuddleBeam paid Agora 1 sh.
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:31:02  Agora paid CuddleBeam 50 sh.
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 17:30:50  Agora paid nichdel 5 sh.
> Wed, 13 Sep 2017 00:56:58  Agora paid o 6 sh.
> Wed, 13 Sep 2017 04:08:34  CuddleBeam paid o 2 sh.
> Wed, 13 Sep 2017 18:59:18  Agora paid 天火狐 5 sh.
> Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:03:40  Aris paid 天火狐 5 sh.
> Thu, 14 Sep 2017 22:14:17  o paid 天火狐 2 sh.
> Fri, 15 Sep 2017 21:52:11  Veggiekeks and babelien deregistered
> - previous report -
> Wed, 20 Sep 2017 06:11:50  Agora paid o 15 sh.
> Wed, 20 Sep 2017 06:16:18  Agora paid V.J Rada 50 sh.
> Wed, 20 Sep 2017 22:02:57  Agora paid 天火狐 5 sh.
> Thu, 21 Sep 2017 19:32:10  Quazie paid ATMunn 1 sh.
> Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:36:08  o paid 天火狐 2 sh.
> Fri, 22 Sep 2017 14:01:12  Agora paid ATMunn 50 sh.
> Sun, 24 Sep 2017 02:23:32  Agora paid V.J Rada 5 sh.
> Sun, 24 Sep 2017 21:02:28  Agora paid P.S.S.[1] 5 sh.
> - time of last report -
> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 03:49:30  V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 03:59:47  o destroyed Agoran Betting Market
> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 04:41:59  Aris paid Agora 16 sh.
> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 04:53:22  V.J Rada paid Agora 20 sh.
> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 05:01:59  o paid Agora 44 sh.
> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 06:26:11  Gaelan paid Agora 23 sh.
> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 10:54:41  P.S.S.[1] paid Agora 13 sh.
> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 11:15:12  V.J Rada created a stamp for 1 sh.
> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:27:23  grok created a stamp for 1 sh.
> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 22:18:15  G. paid Agora 14 sh.
> Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:13:46  Gaelan paid Trigon 20 sh.
> Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:13:46  Gaelan paid Alexis 20 sh.
> Wed, 27 Sep 2017 16:05:28  Agora paid Alexis 50 sh.
> Wed, 27 Sep 2017 16:35:50  grok transferred a stamp (grok) to Agora
> Wed, 27 Sep 2017 15:38:43  grok deregistered
> Thu, 28 Sep 2017 01:41:09  o paid Agora 1 sh.
> Fri, 29 Sep 2017 00:45:06  V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
> Fri, 29 Sep 2017 00:45:06  Agora paid the Community Chest 1 sh.
> Fri, 29 Sep 2017 00:54:47  G. paid Gaelan 4 sh.
> Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:39:18  Agora paid V.J Rada 5 sh.
> Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:39:18  V.J Rada paid Agora 2 sh.
> Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:39:18  V.J Rada paid the Community Chest 2 sh.
> Sun,  1 Oct 2017 14:57:04  P.S.S.[1] paid Agora 1 sh.
> Mon,  2 Oct 2017 00:08:16  Gaelan paid Agora 1 sh.
> Mon,  2 Oct 2017 01:19:38  Gaelan paid Agora 1 sh.
> Tue,  3 Oct 2017 21:29:09  Agora paid G. 5 sh.
> Tue,  3 Oct 2017 21:29:09  G. paid nichdel 5 sh.
> 
> [1] In full, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus"
> 
> 
> Personal Lockouts: None
> 
> Global Lockout: No
> 
> 
> Floating Value: 132
> 
> Floating Derived Values:
> 
> NameFormula Value
> -
> Pend Cost   1/20 * FV   7
> CFJ Cost1/20 * FV   7
> Authorship Reward   1/40 * FV   4
> Pend Reward 1/40 * FV   4
> CFJ Reward  1/20 * FV   7
> Stamp Value 1/5 * FV   27
> 
> 
> Balances:
> 
> 132 Shinies  Agora
>   3 Shinies  Community Chest
>   1 Shinies  Organization
>   1 ShiniesASaAA
> 864 Shinies  Player
>  51 ShiniesATMunn
>  70 ShiniesAlexis
>  12 ShiniesAris
>  65 ShiniesCuddleBeam
>  26 ShiniesG.
>   8 ShiniesGaelan
>  50 ShiniesIenpw III
>  50 ShiniesK
>  50 ShiniesMurphy
>  93 ShiniesPublius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  50 ShiniesQuazie
>  20 ShiniesTrigon
>  61 ShiniesV.J Rada
>  50 Shiniesbayushi
>  17 Shiniesnichdel
>  86 Shinieso
>  50 Shiniesomd
>  55 Shinies天火狐
> 
> 
> Stamps:
> 
> The following table is provisional, and may not reflect a recent CFJ.
> 
> Made By  Owned By Qty
> -
> CuddleBeam   CuddleBeam 1
> G.   G. 1
> Gaelan   Gaelan 1
> grok Agora  1
> Quazie   Quazie 1
> V.J Rada V.J Rada   1
> 天火狐天火狐  1
> 
> 
> Budgets:
> 
> Player ABM  ACU  ASaAA  蘭亭社 Expenditure
> -
> nichdel 50  50
> M

BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

[Kerim Aydin]

I re-publish the below report.


On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> COURT GAZETTE [Arbitor's Weekly Report for 4 Oct 2017]
> 
> [comments welcome!]
> 
> 
> Open Cases 
> 
> [* = overdue, ! = <24 hours before deadline]
> 
> 3562! assigned to Aris(due Wed, 04 Oct 2017 ~23:04:59 UTC)
> 3563! assigned to Gaelan  (due Wed, 04 Oct 2017 ~23:37:49 UTC)
> 3566  assigned to Publius (due Sun, 08 Oct 2017 ~10:39:36 UTC)
> 3569  assigned to Alexis  (due Tue, 10 Oct 2017 ~22:59:59 UTC) 
> 
> 
> Recently-Delivered Verdicts and Implications
> 
> [** = consider for rules annotation]
> 
> 3529 by G.:  "Flipping a switch to its same value" does not count as
> actually flipping the switch (omd was not able to register while still
> registered).  [Annotation unneeded - clarified in Rule by Proposal]. 
> 
> 3537 by G.:  Initiating an estate auction is in fact a restricted action
> (response to scam attempt by CuddleBeam).
> 
> 3550 by G.:  Complex economic situation judged IRRELEVANT due to
> self-ratification (at request of Caller).
> 
> 3555 by Aris:  Birthday Tournament regulations did not survive rule
> change as they were missing newly-required properties for tournament
> regulations (Tournament destroyed before any winners determined). 
>  
> 3556 by G.:  CuddleBeam didn't become Speaker because e didn't win (as
> per 3555, above).
> 
> **3557 by Aris:  SHALL implies CAN, CAN implies CAN by announcement (if
> no other method is specified.
> 
> **3558 by Publius S.S.:  Registering by publishing that you want to be a
> player is a different mechanism than registering "by announcement" and
> so gets around rules limitations on "registering by announcement".
> 
> 3559 by o:  Resolves some ambiguity on non-rule change annotations
> ("comments") in the body of proposals.
> 
> 3561 by Publius S.S.:  You can't destroy stamps in the possession of
> other people.  (scam attempt response - does this imply that MAY doesn't
> imply CAN?  Does it conflict with other rulings on this)?
> 
> **3564 by Gaelan:  A pledge can be broken only once (annotation not
> needed following proposal 7901?) 
> 
> 3565 by o:  Found a particular ballot to be ambiguous and therefore
> invalid (whether "I vote as G. does" is an endorsement or not).
> 
> **3567 by G.:  Dependent action intents aren't "by announcement"
> actions, so a message saying it a lot of times can be read "naturally"
> as counting as a single intent.  Also, supporting and objecting can be
> done on groups of of intents (e.g. "I object to all intents to do X" works).
> 
> 3568 by o: CoEs need to be more specific than "CoE this is bugging me"
> in describing the scope and nature of the perceived error. 
> 
> 
> Bench Roster
> 
> Judge  Court[***]Recent assignments 
> -  - --
> G. Night 3529, 3537, 3550, 3556, 3567
> PubliusNight 3566, 3558, 3561
> o  Day   3559, 3568, 3565
> Aris   Day   3555, 3557, 3562
> Gaelan Day   3563, 3564
> Alexis Day   3569
> V.J. Rada  Weekend
> NichdelWeekend
> 
> 
> [***] Court Descriptions
> 
> Day Court   [Default, rotate roster through as needed].
> 
> Night Court [Assigned quick turnaround cases (either trivial or
>  game-urgent), generally promises to judge in 4 days].
> 
> Weekend Court [Backup/partial rotation, generally gets half as many
>cases each as Day Court].
> 
> Courts are informal relative levels of "interest" in judging as per
> R991.  Players can change Court by notifying the Arbitor.
> 
> 
> Highest Numbered Case Ever:  3569
> 
> DISCLAIMER   
>   Informational only - No actions are contained in this report.
>   Information in this report is NOT self-ratifying.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

[Kerim Aydin]

On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: 
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > 
> > COURT GAZETTE [Arbitor's Weekly Report for 4 Oct 2017]
> 
> I claim a 5-shiny reward for this report.   -G.

If the above shiny reward failed, I claim a 5-shiny reward for publishing
the Arbitor's weekly report.

BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3569 assigned to Alexis

[Alexis Hunt]

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 at 19:00 Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> > I CFJ on the following by paying a shiny:
> > If grok had not deregistered, e would have issued trust tokens to
> > both Aris and G. by eir vote on Proposal 7899.
>
>
> This is CFJ 3569 - I assign it to Alexis.
>

The question here hinges around the definition of "endorsed". Rule 2452
states:

   When the Assessor resolves a Decision to adopt a proposal, then
   any player who cast a valid vote on the Decision and was
   endorsed by another player's valid vote on the Decision is
   issued a Trust Token by the endorsing player.

As G. submitted, grok voted "Endorse Aris" on Proposal 7899 and Aris voted
"Endorse the Arbitor". At all relevant times, G. was the Assessor and this
is not in dispute.

G. submitted arguments that could argue in favour of multiple
interpretations, but ultimately, the first place to look is at the
definition of a valid vote, found in Rule 955, since Rule 2452 requires
endorsement "by another player's valid vote". It is clear that on any
Agoran decision with an Adoption Index, including the one at issue, the
valid votes are FOR, AGAINST, and PRESENT.

How does this line up with conditional votes? Rule 2127 defines:

  If a vote on an Agoran decision is submitted conditionally (e.g.
  "FOR if  is true, otherwise AGAINST"), then the selected
  option is evaluated based on the value of the condition(s) at
  the end of the voting period, and, rules to the contrary
  notwithstanding, is clearly specified if and only if the value
  of the condition(s) is/are determinate at the end of the voting
  period.  If the option cannot be clearly identified, a vote of
  PRESENT is cast.

  Casting a vote endorsing another voter is equivalent to
  conditionally casting a vote whose value is the same as the most
  common value (if any) among that voter's valid votes on that
  decision.

This presents some difficulty, as Rule 2127 does not actually expand
the definition of a valid vote provided in Rule 955. As a result, a
conditional vote cannot be considered to be a valid vote at the time
that it is cast, although Rule 2127 indicates that it is evaluated to
one at the end of the voting period.

Unfortunately, there is an additional wrinkle. According to Rule 683:

  An entity submits a ballot on an Agoran decision by publishing a
  notice satisfying the following conditions:

  [...]

  4. The ballot clearly identifies a valid vote, as determined by
 the voting method.

Per established precedent, the correctness of a ballot submission is
evaluated at the time of its submission. grok's vote of "Endorse Aris" did
not clearly identify any of the three valid options, to wit, FOR, AGAINST,
or PRESENT. Therefore the ballot was not even valid to begin with, and so
there is no way for it to have resulted in an award of Trust Tokens.

Consequently, I judge CFJ 3569 FALSE, claim the CFJ Reward of 7
shinies for doing so, and Drop the Mic.

-Alexis

BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

[Kerim Aydin]

On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> 
> COURT GAZETTE [Arbitor's Weekly Report for 4 Oct 2017]

I claim a 5-shiny reward for this report.   -G.

BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

[Aris Merchant]

TTttPF.



On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 8:20 AM Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> CoE: I think I bought a stamp a few weeks ago when everything was cheap.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 6:35 PM Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>
>> As Secretary, I flip the Floating Value to 132.
>>
>> Secretary's Weekly Report
>>
>> Date of this report: Wed,  3 Oct 2017
>> Date of last report: Tue, 26 Sep 2017
>>
>> Recent events (all times UTC):
>>
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:22:23  Agora paid o 15 sh.
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:22:23  Agora paid K 50 sh.
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:27:39  CuddleBeam destroyed a CuddleBeam stamp
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:27:39  Agora paid CuddleBeam 23 sh.
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:27:39  CuddleBeam paid Agora 68 sh.
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:31:02  CuddleBeam paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:31:02  Agora paid CuddleBeam 50 sh.
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 17:30:50  Agora paid nichdel 5 sh.
>> Wed, 13 Sep 2017 00:56:58  Agora paid o 6 sh.
>> Wed, 13 Sep 2017 04:08:34  CuddleBeam paid o 2 sh.
>> Wed, 13 Sep 2017 18:59:18  Agora paid 天火狐 5 sh.
>> Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:03:40  Aris paid 天火狐 5 sh.
>> Thu, 14 Sep 2017 22:14:17  o paid 天火狐 2 sh.
>> Fri, 15 Sep 2017 21:52:11  Veggiekeks and babelien deregistered
>> - previous report -
>> Wed, 20 Sep 2017 06:11:50  Agora paid o 15 sh.
>> Wed, 20 Sep 2017 06:16:18  Agora paid V.J Rada 50 sh.
>> Wed, 20 Sep 2017 22:02:57  Agora paid 天火狐 5 sh.
>> Thu, 21 Sep 2017 19:32:10  Quazie paid ATMunn 1 sh.
>> Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:36:08  o paid 天火狐 2 sh.
>> Fri, 22 Sep 2017 14:01:12  Agora paid ATMunn 50 sh.
>> Sun, 24 Sep 2017 02:23:32  Agora paid V.J Rada 5 sh.
>> Sun, 24 Sep 2017 21:02:28  Agora paid P.S.S.[1] 5 sh.
>> - time of last report -
>> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 03:49:30  V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 03:59:47  o destroyed Agoran Betting Market
>> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 04:41:59  Aris paid Agora 16 sh.
>> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 04:53:22  V.J Rada paid Agora 20 sh.
>> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 05:01:59  o paid Agora 44 sh.
>> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 06:26:11  Gaelan paid Agora 23 sh.
>> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 10:54:41  P.S.S.[1] paid Agora 13 sh.
>> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 11:15:12  V.J Rada created a stamp for 1 sh.
>> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:27:23  grok created a stamp for 1 sh.
>> Tue, 26 Sep 2017 22:18:15  G. paid Agora 14 sh.
>> Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:13:46  Gaelan paid Trigon 20 sh.
>> Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:13:46  Gaelan paid Alexis 20 sh.
>> Wed, 27 Sep 2017 16:05:28  Agora paid Alexis 50 sh.
>> Wed, 27 Sep 2017 16:35:50  grok transferred a stamp (grok) to Agora
>> Wed, 27 Sep 2017 15:38:43  grok deregistered
>> Thu, 28 Sep 2017 01:41:09  o paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Fri, 29 Sep 2017 00:45:06  V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Fri, 29 Sep 2017 00:45:06  Agora paid the Community Chest 1 sh.
>> Fri, 29 Sep 2017 00:54:47  G. paid Gaelan 4 sh.
>> Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:39:18  Agora paid V.J Rada 5 sh.
>> Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:39:18  V.J Rada paid Agora 2 sh.
>> Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:39:18  V.J Rada paid the Community Chest 2 sh.
>> Sun,  1 Oct 2017 14:57:04  P.S.S.[1] paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Mon,  2 Oct 2017 00:08:16  Gaelan paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Mon,  2 Oct 2017 01:19:38  Gaelan paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Tue,  3 Oct 2017 21:29:09  Agora paid G. 5 sh.
>> Tue,  3 Oct 2017 21:29:09  G. paid nichdel 5 sh.
>>
>> [1] In full, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus"
>>
>>
>> Personal Lockouts: None
>>
>> Global Lockout: No
>>
>>
>> Floating Value: 132
>>
>> Floating Derived Values:
>>
>> NameFormula Value
>> -
>> Pend Cost   1/20 * FV   7
>> CFJ Cost1/20 * FV   7
>> Authorship Reward   1/40 * FV   4
>> Pend Reward 1/40 * FV   4
>> CFJ Reward  1/20 * FV   7
>> Stamp Value 1/5 * FV   27
>>
>>
>> Balances:
>>
>>  132 Shinies  Agora
>>3 Shinies  Community Chest
>>1 Shinies  Organization
>>1 ShiniesASaAA
>
>
>>  864 Shinies  Player
>>   51 ShiniesATMunn
>>   70 ShiniesAlexis
>>   12 ShiniesAris
>>   65 ShiniesCuddleBeam
>>   26 ShiniesG.
>>8 ShiniesGaelan
>>   50 ShiniesIenpw III
>>   50 ShiniesK
>>   50 ShiniesMurphy
>>   93 ShiniesPublius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>   50 ShiniesQuazie
>>   20 ShiniesTrigon
>>   61 ShiniesV.J Rada
>>   50 Shiniesbayushi
>>   17 Shiniesnichdel
>>   86 Shinieso
>>   50 Shiniesomd
>>   55 Shinies天火狐
>>
>>
>> Stamps:
>>
>> The following table is provisional, and may not reflect a recent CFJ.
>>
>> Made By  Owned By Qty
>> -
>> CuddleBeam   CuddleBeam 1
>> G.   G. 1
>> Gaelan   Gaelan 1
>> grok Agora  1
>> Quazie   Quazie 1
>> V.J Rada V.J Rada   1
>> 天火狐天火狐  1
>>
>>
>> Budgets:
>>
>> Pla

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

[ATMunn .]

Nevermind, I think I had sent that when I didn't understand pf and
such. Your report is just fine. I retract my CoE (if that's possible, idk
if it is)

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:26 AM, ATMunn .  wrote:

> pf
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: ATMunn . 
> Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:26 AM
> Subject: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report
> To: "Agora Nomic discussions (DF)" 
>
>
> CoE: A while back I paid Agora 17 shinies, in response to a request
> someone made for everyone to give 1/3 of their shinies to Agora. I don't
> see this in the report.
> (Or, did I send that to the wrong forum?)
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 12:50 AM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
>> > I destroy my stamp, getting 27 shinies. I transfer 13 shinies to the
>> > Community Chest.
>>
>> Ooh, thanks for the reminder.  I destroy my stamp, getting 27 shinies.
>> -G.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Fwd: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

[ATMunn .]

pf
-- Forwarded message --
From: ATMunn . 
Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report
To: "Agora Nomic discussions (DF)" 


CoE: A while back I paid Agora 17 shinies, in response to a request someone
made for everyone to give 1/3 of their shinies to Agora. I don't see this
in the report.
(Or, did I send that to the wrong forum?)

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 12:50 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> > I destroy my stamp, getting 27 shinies. I transfer 13 shinies to the
> > Community Chest.
>
> Ooh, thanks for the reminder.  I destroy my stamp, getting 27 shinies.
> -G.
>
>
>
>