BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7982-7988
pf > On Nov 26, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > > >> On Nov 26, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Aris Merchant >> wrote: >> >> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran >> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal >> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the >> quorum is 8.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options >> are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional >> votes). >> >> ID Author(s) AITitlePender Pend fee >> --- >> 7982* V.J. Rada 1.7 Referee Reform Fix V.J. Rada 1 sh. > FOR >> 7983* Telnaior, [1] 1.0 SBOTGT [2] Telnaior1 AP > FOR >> 7984* Aris, [3] 2.6 Contract Flexibility Act Aris1 AP > AGAINST for making me look up the rule to figure out what this does >> 7985* Alexis 2.6 Open Season on Contracts Alexis 1 AP > AGAINST, ditto >> 7986* P.S.S [4] 3.0 Quick FixP.S.S. [4] 1 AP > FOR >> 7987* ATMunn, [5]1.0 AOC [6] Aris1 AP > FOR >> 7988* G. 2.0 Minimal Econ reforms G. 1 AP > FOR >> >> The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals: >> >> ID Author(s) AI Title >> --- >> pp1 Alexis3.0 Terrible Economic Hack Job >> >> Legend: * : Proposal is pending. >> >> >> [1] Alexis, VJ Rada >> [2] Somehow Both Of These Got Through >> [3] V.J. Rada, Ørjan >> [3] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >> [5] Alexis >> [6] ADoP Obligation Clarification >> >> A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value >> in shines (see the Treasuror's report). >> >> The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. >> >> // >> ID: 7982 >> Title: Referee Reform Fix >> Adoption index: 1.7 >> Author: V.J. Rada >> Co-authors: >> >> >> At the end of rule 2478 "Viglilante Justice", add a new >> paragraph with the text "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger. The >> Arbitor CANNOT Point eir Finger at the Referee". >> >> // >> ID: 7983 >> Title: Somehow Both Of These Got Through >> Adoption index: 1.0 >> Author: Telnaior >> Co-authors: Alexis, VJ Rada >> >> >> Amend the Rule "Favour Awards" by changing >> "For each voter who has not voted on an Agoran decision resolved >> earlier in the >> same Agoran week, e SHALL award that player 2 Favours in the Party holding >> Participaiton." >> to >> "For each voter who has voted on an Agoran decision resolved earlier in the >> same Agoran week, e SHALL award that player 2 Favours in the Party holding >> Participation." >> >> // >> ID: 7984 >> Title: Contract Flexibility Act >> Adoption index: 2.6 >> Author: Aris >> Co-authors: V.J. Rada, Ørjan >> >> >> Amend Rule 2525, Interpreting Contracts, by: >> >> Removing item 6 of the numbered list and renumbering appropriately; and >> Changing the phrase "failing protected action" to read "failing to perform >> a protected action". >> >> // >> ID: 7985 >> Title: Open Season on Contracts >> Adoption index: 2.6 >> Author: Alexis >> Co-authors: >> >> >> Amend rule 2525 (Interpreting Contracts) by deleting all but the first two >> paragraphs. >> >> // >> ID: 7986 >> Title: Quick Fix >> Adoption index: 3.0 >> Author: Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >> Co-authors: >> >> >> In rule 105, add a full stop after "repeal a rule" in bullet point 2. >> >> // >> ID: 7987 >> Title: ADoP Obligation Clarification >> Adoption index: 1.0 >> Author: ATMunn >> Co-authors: Alexis >> >> >> Amend rule 2138, "The Associate Director of Personnel", by adding the >> following >> ist item to the end: >> >> 4. The Complexity of each Office. >> >> Also in rule 2138, add a full stop to the end of the second list item, if >> there >> is not one there already. >> >> // >> ID: 7988 >> Title: Minimal Econ reforms >> Adoption index: 2.0 >> Author: G. >> Co-authors: >> >> >> Amend Rule 2516 (Passive Income) to read: >> >> The Treasuror CAN, once each month, and SHALL, in a timely fashion >> after the start of each month, publish a Payday Notice. The effect >> of such a Notice is to: >> >>1. Destroy all Shinies in Agora's possession. >> >>2. Create 25 Shinies in the possession of each player. >> >>3. For each office, if a single player held th
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7982-7988
As do I. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Nov 26, 2017, at 9:26 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I change my vote to AGAINST on minimal econ reforms. > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: >> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: >> >>> // >>> ID: 7982 >>> Title: Referee Reform Fix >>> Adoption index: 1.7 >>> Author: V.J. Rada >>> Co-authors: >>> >>> >>> At the end of rule 2478 "Viglilante Justice", add a new >>> paragraph with the text "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger. The >>> Arbitor CANNOT Point eir Finger at the Referee". >> >> >> The title of the rule is misspelled, and also the text misses a period. >> >>> // >>> ID: 7988 >>> Title: Minimal Econ reforms >>> Adoption index: 2.0 >>> Author: G. >>> Co-authors: >> >> >>> Amend Rule 991 (Calls for Judgement) by replacing: >>> a) by announcement, and spending 1 Action Point, OR >>> >>> b) by announcement, and spending the current CFJ cost in shinies, >>>OR >>> >>> c) by announcement if e is not a player. >>> with: >>> a) by announcement, and spending the current CFJ cost in shinies, >>>OR >>> >>> b) Without 2 Objections. Players SHOULD object unless paying >>>with shinies is a significant barrier to the Caller's >>>ability to seek a resolution to the controversy. >> >> >> I might not be calling a lot of CFJs if this passes, then. >> >> Greetings, >> Ørjan. > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals
I pend the referred to proposals by destroying 20 bills, trading them for shinies with ACU, and then spending those shinies. On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Mon, 27 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > >> I destroy 20 notes and trade them for shinies. I create and pend with >> shinies the following two proposals. > > > ITYM "bills". > > Greetings, > Ørjan. -- >From V.J. Rada
BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7982-7988
I change my vote to AGAINST on minimal econ reforms. On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > >> // >> ID: 7982 >> Title: Referee Reform Fix >> Adoption index: 1.7 >> Author: V.J. Rada >> Co-authors: >> >> >> At the end of rule 2478 "Viglilante Justice", add a new >> paragraph with the text "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger. The >> Arbitor CANNOT Point eir Finger at the Referee". > > > The title of the rule is misspelled, and also the text misses a period. > >> // >> ID: 7988 >> Title: Minimal Econ reforms >> Adoption index: 2.0 >> Author: G. >> Co-authors: > > >> Amend Rule 991 (Calls for Judgement) by replacing: >> a) by announcement, and spending 1 Action Point, OR >> >> b) by announcement, and spending the current CFJ cost in shinies, >> OR >> >> c) by announcement if e is not a player. >> with: >> a) by announcement, and spending the current CFJ cost in shinies, >> OR >> >> b) Without 2 Objections. Players SHOULD object unless paying >> with shinies is a significant barrier to the Caller's >> ability to seek a resolution to the controversy. > > > I might not be calling a lot of CFJs if this passes, then. > > Greetings, > Ørjan. -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Clork] Weekly Report
I'm pretty sure I have to respond to this by saying this CoE is waiting on the result of a CFJ, yeah? I should probably go over the rules there again. On 2017-11-27 12:59, VJ Rada wrote: oh that should just be a coe to avoid self-ratification. coe: aris advised every politician. On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 12:58 PM, VJ Rada wrote: did you do the ones where e used eir favours to bribe every politician, even ones from other parties? On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Madeline wrote: I did those. On 2017-11-27 12:51, VJ Rada wrote: um i meant aris's actions sure they're basically the same person right? On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Madeline wrote: Uh, which one are you referring to? On 2017-11-27 12:45, VJ Rada wrote: I don't think ATMunn's actions were super-conditional? On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Telnaior wrote: The two mega-super-conditional actions I'm not gonna count barring a CFJ _> I award VJ Rada 3 NPR favours for being the Advisor of the Drunk. I award Aris 3 OOS favours for being the Advisor of the Mystery. I award Aris 3 MLP favours for being the Advisor of the Hat Rack. PARTIES AND FAVOURS --- PLA - Platonic Isolationists (4 Politicians, Economy) NPR - New Punchbowl Reformers (4 Politicians, Justice) COS - Costume Conservatives(4 Politicians, Efficiency) SUL - Substance Use Liberals (4 Politicians, Legislation) MLP - Official Raving Monster Looney Party (4 Politicians, Participation) +-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Player | PLA | NPR | COS | SUL | MLP | +-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Alexis | 0 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 4 | | Aris| 0 | 183 | 0 | 0 | 2 | | ATMunn | 0 | 214 | 0 | 3 | 4 | | Corona | 0 | 215 | 0 | 0 | 2 | | Cuddle Beam | 0 | 214 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | G. | 0 | 429 | 0 | 3 | 4 | | Gaelan | 0 | 214 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | nichdel | 0 | 214 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | o | 0 | 214 | 0 | 0 | 4 | | PSS[1] | 0 | 216 | 0 | 0 | 2 | | Quazie | 0 | 214 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | Telnaior| 0 | 215 | 0 | 0 | 4 | | 天火狐 | 0 | 214 | 0 | 0 | 2 | (not even gonna try) | Trigon | 0 | 214 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | VJ Rada | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 2 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+ RANKS AND POLITICIANS - CHAMBER OF POWER[Rank 5] Host - Mad Cap'n Tom (NPR, 15 Stress, Aris) Break Election Ties 16 Influence - Aris 2 Influence - Alexis UPPER ECHELON [Rank 3] Planner - Joseph "Stealin'" McCarthy (PLA, 09 Stress, VJ Rada) Decide Party Policies 10 Influence - VJ Rada Enforcer - Xi Kingpin (PLA, 09 Stress, VJ Rada) Remove Row Echelon Politicians 8 Influence - VJ Rada Organiser - Mad "Max" Robespierre (COS, 09 Stress, No Advisor) Extra Voting Power No Influencers Creep - Politician McPoliticianface (NPR, 09 Stress, Aris) Increase Politician Stress 10 Influence - Aris ROW ECHELON [Rank 1] Schmoozer - The Drunk Clinton (SUL, 03 Stress, VJ Rada) Change Politician Parties 6 Influence - VJ Rada Decorator - John Johnson (MLP, 03 Stress, ATMunn) Extra Balloon 3 Influence - ATMunn 3 Influence - VJ Rada Loner - Pinocchio (COS, 03 Stress, No Advisor) PLA Favours No Influencers Drunk - Aristotle (PLA, 03 Stress, VJ Rada) NPR Favours 3 Influence - VJ Rada Mystery - Mickey Joker (NPR, 03 Stress, Aris) COS Favours 12 Influence - Aris Wild One - Malcolm Turncoat (COS, 03 Stress, No Advisor) SUL Favours No Influencers Hat Rack - Nick P. Ronald (NPR, 03 Stress, Aris) MLP Favours 12 Influence - Aris ROW-REDUCED ECHELON [Rank 0] No Post - Nikolai Shootemdedsky (SUL, 00 Stress, No Advisor) No Influencers No Post - Bob (SUL, 00 Stress, VJ Rada) 2 Influence - VJ Rada No Post - Natasha Nogoodnik (SUL, 00 Stress, No Advisor) No Influencers No Post - Weird Al (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor) No Influencers No Post - Rob Boss (COS, 00 Stress, No Advisor) No Influencers No Post - Cookie Monster (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor) No Influencers No Post - Screaming Lord Sutch (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor) No Influencers No Post - Boris Eatstumuch (PLA, 00 Stress, No Advisor) No Influencers RETIREMENT AND ELECTIONS Announcing Retirement: No One Recently Retired: No One BALLOONS +-+---+---+---+ | Player | Last Week | This Week | Total | +-+---+---+---+ | Alexis | 0 | 0 | 0 | | Aris| 0 |10 |10 |
BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Clork] Weekly Report
oh that should just be a coe to avoid self-ratification. coe: aris advised every politician. On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 12:58 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > did you do the ones where e used eir favours to bribe every > politician, even ones from other parties? > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Madeline wrote: >> I did those. >> >> >> >> On 2017-11-27 12:51, VJ Rada wrote: >>> >>> um i meant aris's actions sure they're basically the same person right? >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Madeline wrote: Uh, which one are you referring to? On 2017-11-27 12:45, VJ Rada wrote: > > I don't think ATMunn's actions were super-conditional? > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Telnaior wrote: >> >> The two mega-super-conditional actions I'm not gonna count barring a >> CFJ >>> >>> _> >> >> I award VJ Rada 3 NPR favours for being the Advisor of the Drunk. >> I award Aris 3 OOS favours for being the Advisor of the Mystery. >> I award Aris 3 MLP favours for being the Advisor of the Hat Rack. >> >> >> PARTIES AND FAVOURS >> --- >> >> PLA - Platonic Isolationists (4 Politicians, Economy) >> NPR - New Punchbowl Reformers (4 Politicians, Justice) >> COS - Costume Conservatives(4 Politicians, Efficiency) >> SUL - Substance Use Liberals (4 Politicians, Legislation) >> MLP - Official Raving Monster Looney Party (4 Politicians, >> Participation) >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | Player | PLA | NPR | COS | SUL | MLP | >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | Alexis | 0 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 4 | >> | Aris| 0 | 183 | 0 | 0 | 2 | >> | ATMunn | 0 | 214 | 0 | 3 | 4 | >> | Corona | 0 | 215 | 0 | 0 | 2 | >> | Cuddle Beam | 0 | 214 | 0 | 0 | 0 | >> | G. | 0 | 429 | 0 | 3 | 4 | >> | Gaelan | 0 | 214 | 0 | 0 | 0 | >> | nichdel | 0 | 214 | 0 | 0 | 0 | >> | o | 0 | 214 | 0 | 0 | 4 | >> | PSS[1] | 0 | 216 | 0 | 0 | 2 | >> | Quazie | 0 | 214 | 0 | 0 | 0 | >> | Telnaior| 0 | 215 | 0 | 0 | 4 | >> | 天火狐 | 0 | 214 | 0 | 0 | 2 | (not even gonna try) >> | Trigon | 0 | 214 | 0 | 0 | 0 | >> | VJ Rada | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 2 | >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >> >> RANKS AND POLITICIANS >> - >> >> CHAMBER OF POWER[Rank 5] >> Host - Mad Cap'n Tom (NPR, 15 Stress, Aris) >> Break Election Ties >> 16 Influence - Aris >> 2 Influence - Alexis >> >> UPPER ECHELON [Rank 3] >> Planner - Joseph "Stealin'" McCarthy (PLA, 09 Stress, VJ Rada) >> Decide Party Policies >> 10 Influence - VJ Rada >> Enforcer - Xi Kingpin (PLA, 09 Stress, VJ Rada) >> Remove Row Echelon Politicians >> 8 Influence - VJ Rada >> Organiser - Mad "Max" Robespierre (COS, 09 Stress, No Advisor) >> Extra Voting Power >> No Influencers >> Creep - Politician McPoliticianface (NPR, 09 Stress, Aris) >> Increase Politician Stress >> 10 Influence - Aris >> >> ROW ECHELON [Rank 1] >> Schmoozer - The Drunk Clinton (SUL, 03 Stress, VJ Rada) >> Change Politician Parties >> 6 Influence - VJ Rada >> Decorator - John Johnson (MLP, 03 Stress, ATMunn) >> Extra Balloon >> 3 Influence - ATMunn >> 3 Influence - VJ Rada >> Loner - Pinocchio (COS, 03 Stress, No Advisor) >> PLA Favours >> No Influencers >> Drunk - Aristotle (PLA, 03 Stress, VJ Rada) >> NPR Favours >> 3 Influence - VJ Rada >> Mystery - Mickey Joker (NPR, 03 Stress, Aris) >> COS Favours >> 12 Influence - Aris >> Wild One - Malcolm Turncoat (COS, 03 Stress, No Advisor) >> SUL Favours >> No Influencers >> Hat Rack - Nick P. Ronald (NPR, 03 Stress, Aris) >> MLP Favours >> 12 Influence - Aris >> >> ROW-REDUCED ECHELON [Rank 0] >> No Post - Nikolai Shootemdedsky (SUL, 00 Stress, No Advisor) >> No Influencers >> No Post - Bob (SUL, 00 Stress, VJ Rada) >> 2 Influence - VJ Rada >> No Post - Natasha Nogoodnik (SUL, 00 Stress, No Advisor) >> No Influencers >> No Post - Weird Al (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor) >> No Influencers >> No Post - Rob Boss (COS, 00 Stress, No Advisor) >> No Influencers >> No Post - Cookie Monster (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor) >>
BUS: Calling in a pledge
I call in the pledge in which I pledged not to point fingers. I point my finger at myself for pledge-breaking. -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: BUS: Stamps, Rewards
I intend to withdraw both of these pledges without objection. On 2017-11-17 10:38, Telnaior wrote: I pledge to transfer one stamp I own, which I made, to the first player to transfer 118 shinies to me for the explicit and sole purpose of activating this pledge, if such a transfer happens within a week of creating this pledge. I pledge to transfer one stamp I own, which I made, to the first player to transfer 2 stamps to me for the explicit and sole purpose of activating this pledge, if such a transfer happens within a week of creating this pledge. On 2017-11-17 07:32, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: As do I, if possible. On 11/16/2017 10:00 AM, ATMunn wrote: I also destroy my stamp, causing Agora to pay me 59 sh. On 11/16/2017 12:37 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: I destroy one stamp I own, which I made, to cause Agora to pay me 59 sh. I destroy one stamp I own, which I made, to cause Agora to pay me 59 sh. I claim a reward of 5 sh. apiece for each of the most recent Treasuror’s, Surveyor’s, and Notary’s weekly reports. -o
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Friendly Advice
TTttPF -Aris On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 5:04 PM Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Justice favors from your blue carding, ironically. > > There are several reasons I did this, despite being so opposed to scams in > general: > > * It did not involve breaking any rule. > * It was reasonably contained (and I fully intend that any fix proposal > reset my invalid influences) > * It did not involve any (ab)use of my official power > * I wanted to see if it works > > I intend to write a fix proposal shortly, although I may wait to see the > results of my CFJ first. I will not be disappointed if it failed, although > I would appreciate a clear explanation of the legal reasoning. I find it > hard to believe that there's a party restriction in there, so I think the > most reasonable outcomes are complete success or complete failure of the > entire mechanism. I pay 15 shinies to the Clork for putting up with this. > To be clear, I do not intend to force through any non scam-fix proposal. > > -Aris > > On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 4:08 PM VJ Rada wrote: > >> when did you get all these npr favours? are those economic? >> >> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Aris Merchant >> wrote: >> > I spend 24 NPR favors to gain 16 influence over Mad Cap'n Tom. I advise >> em. >> > >> > I spend 10 NPR favors to gain 10 influence over Politician >> > McPoliticianface. I advise em. >> > >> > I spend 8 NPR favors to gain 12 influence over Mickey Joker. I advise >> > em. I spend 8 NPR favors to gain 12 influence over Nick P. Ronald. I >> > advise em. >> > >> > >> > Now for the questionable stuff. >> > >> > For each upper echelon politician I have not yet advised, I spend 5 >> > NPR favors to gain 5 influence over em, then advise em. >> > >> > For each row echelon politician I have not yet advised, I spend 4 NPR >> > favors to gain 6 influence over em, then advise em. >> > >> > For each row reduced politician, I spend 2 NPR favors to gain 4 >> > influence over em, then advise em. >> > >> > I sh-CFJ "Aris has advised every politician in the row reduced echelon." >> > >> > Arguments: >> > >> > The rule "Taken Under Advisement" states that "A player CAN, by >> > announcement, spend Favours in a Party to gain Influence over that >> > Politican, depending on the Politician's Echelon". It does not state >> > clearly that the party must be the same as that of the politician. It >> > does say "that politician", but it is unclear what "that" means in >> > this context, and there is certainly no textual basis for assuming >> > that it means they must be of the same party. Further, the rule states >> > that the process depends on "depend[s] on the Politician's Echelon", >> > implying via expressio unius est exclusio alterius that it doesn't >> > depend on anything else. In short, there is no textual basis for >> > limiting the action to politicians of the same party as the favors. It >> > would be reasonable to say that the action fails because its >> > definition is ambiguous, but this is against the principle that the >> > statements of the rules must be given effect, insofar as it is >> > possible. >> > >> > -Aris >> >> >> >> -- >> From V.J. Rada >> >
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7982-7988
11/26/2017 2:09 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: ID Author(s) AITitlePender Pend fee --- 7982* V.J. Rada 1.7 Referee Reform Fix V.J. Rada 1 sh.FOR 7983* Telnaior, [1] 1.0 SBOTGT [2] Telnaior1 AP PRESENT 7984* Aris, [3] 2.6 Contract Flexibility Act Aris1 AP FOR 7985* Alexis 2.6 Open Season on Contracts Alexis 1 AP FOR 7986* P.S.S [4] 3.0 Quick FixP.S.S. [4] 1 AP FOR 7987* ATMunn, [5]1.0 AOC [6] Aris1 AP AGAINST 7988* G. 2.0 Minimal Econ reforms G. 1 AP FOR, tentatively. It's likely this will all become irrelevant soon when the entire economy changes, so... -- Trigon
Re: BUS: party party party
I use 3 participation favours to influence John Johnson, then advise him. :P On 11/26/2017 4:52 PM, VJ Rada wrote: I use 2 participation favours to influence John Johnson, then advise him. Dudes, use your damn favours.
BUS: Friendly Advice
I spend 24 NPR favors to gain 16 influence over Mad Cap'n Tom. I advise em. I spend 10 NPR favors to gain 10 influence over Politician McPoliticianface. I advise em. I spend 8 NPR favors to gain 12 influence over Mickey Joker. I advise em. I spend 8 NPR favors to gain 12 influence over Nick P. Ronald. I advise em. Now for the questionable stuff. For each upper echelon politician I have not yet advised, I spend 5 NPR favors to gain 5 influence over em, then advise em. For each row echelon politician I have not yet advised, I spend 4 NPR favors to gain 6 influence over em, then advise em. For each row reduced politician, I spend 2 NPR favors to gain 4 influence over em, then advise em. I sh-CFJ "Aris has advised every politician in the row reduced echelon." Arguments: The rule "Taken Under Advisement" states that "A player CAN, by announcement, spend Favours in a Party to gain Influence over that Politican, depending on the Politician's Echelon". It does not state clearly that the party must be the same as that of the politician. It does say "that politician", but it is unclear what "that" means in this context, and there is certainly no textual basis for assuming that it means they must be of the same party. Further, the rule states that the process depends on "depend[s] on the Politician's Echelon", implying via expressio unius est exclusio alterius that it doesn't depend on anything else. In short, there is no textual basis for limiting the action to politicians of the same party as the favors. It would be reasonable to say that the action fails because its definition is ambiguous, but this is against the principle that the statements of the rules must be given effect, insofar as it is possible. -Aris
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7982-7988
I vote as follows: On 11/26/2017 4:09 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: ID Author(s) AITitlePender Pend fee --- 7982* V.J. Rada 1.7 Referee Reform Fix V.J. Rada 1 sh. PRESENT 7983* Telnaior, [1] 1.0 SBOTGT [2] Telnaior1 AP AGAINST, I believe this works as intended. 7984* Aris, [3] 2.6 Contract Flexibility Act Aris1 AP FOR 7985* Alexis 2.6 Open Season on Contracts Alexis 1 AP AGAINST, I think I prefer 7984 7986* P.S.S [4] 3.0 Quick FixP.S.S. [4] 1 AP FOR 7987* ATMunn, [5]1.0 AOC [6] Aris1 AP FOR 7988* G. 2.0 Minimal Econ reforms G. 1 AP PRESENT
BUS: Bid
The following 5 paragraphs apply to all actions taken in this message, other text to the contrary notwithstanding: All "if" words used in this message mean "if and only if". Whenever I mention a Post in the context of gaining Influence with it, advising it or other actions that may be performed only on Politicians (and not Posts), I mean the Politician who holds that Post instead. Similarly, if I mention an Echelon in that context, I mean all Politicians in that Echelon. Whenever I gain Influence with a Politician, I attempt to advise em immediately afterwards. If I am already Advising a Politician, I shall not spend any favors to gain Influence with em. - I destroy all Bills in my possession, so that ACU transfers me the appropriate amount of shinies. For each Politician, the maximum Favor I'm willing to pay to Influence em is defined as follows: -Upper Echelon Politicians & Host: 15 Favors each -Loner, Drunk, Mystery, Wild One, Hat Rack: If I am advising the Enforcer, 18 Favors each. Else, 12 Favors each. -Schmoozer, Decorator: 6 Favors each -Row-reduced Echelon: 1 Favor each Also, for each Politician, the minimum Favor I'd need to Advise em is defined as the lowest number of Favors that I can pay to gain Influence with that Politician such that I can Advise the Politician successfully afterwards. Then, for each Politician, in this order: Mad Cap'n Tom, Xi Kingpin, Mad "Max" Robespierre, Joseph "Stealin'" McCarthy, Politician McPoliticianface, Pinocchio, Aristotle, Mickey Joker, Malcolm Turncoat, Nick P. Ronald, John Johnson, The Drunk Clinton, Nikolai Shootemdedsky, Bob, Natasha Nogoodnik, Weird Al, Rob Boss, Cookie Monster, Screaming Lord Sutch, Boris Eatstumuch I perform the following: -If the minimum Favor I'd need to Advise that Politician is higher than the maximum Favor I'm willing to pay to Influence em, I do nothing. -Else: --If I have have enough Favor with eir Party to pay the minimum Favor I'd need to Advise em, I pay the minimum Favor I'd need to advise em to Influence em. --Else, if eir Party is PLA, I spend a number of Shinies equal to the minimum Favor I'd need to Advise em on gaining Favor with PLA, then I pay the minimum Favor I'd need to advise em to Influence em. --Else, multiply the minimum Favor I'd need to Advise that Politician by 3; if it is still lower than the maximum Favor I'm willing to pay to Influence em, spend a number of NPR equal to triple the minimum Favor I'd need to Advise em on gaining Favor with eir Party, then I pay the minimum Favor I'd need to advise em to Influence em. - For good measure: I Advise all politicians with whom I have more Influence than all other players. I transfer all my Shinies to ACU, causing 10 times as many Bills to be created in my possession
Re: BUS: Justice Favours
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 at 17:20 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I award 3 Favours in the Party holding Justice to: > > - Alexis for CFJ 3603. > - Alexis for CFJ 3604. > - Aris for CFJ 3605. > > -G. > I spend 3 Favours to gain 2 Influence over Mad Cap'n Tom, then advise em. -Alexis
BUS: [Expedition] Worth a try?
Imma have 5 voting strength in half an hour or so via balloons and
everyone else is gonna have 1 (bar alexis obv) so eh maybe? Better
have it also be bribery though.
I create the following proposal
Title: Bribery
AI: 1
Text: {Make each player who voted unconditionally FOR this proposals
win the game except V.J. Rada, then make V.J. Rada win the game.}
I then specially deputise for the promotor to distribute the above proposal.
--
>From V.J. Rada
BUS: Proposals
I destroy 20 notes and trade them for shinies. I create and pend with shinies the following two proposals. Title: Rhyming: Still Bad AI 1 Repeal rule 2530 "Poetry Duel Challenge Writ" Title: Proposal Competitions Repeal AI 1 Repeal rule 2431 "Proposal Competitions" -- >From V.J. Rada
BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Herald Election Decision Initiation (for real this time, hopefully...)
I point the finger at ATMunn for failing to state quorum.
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
wrote:
> In the future, please provide the quorum.
>
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>> On Nov 24, 2017, at 8:52 PM, ATMunn wrote:
>>
>> right.
>>
>> CoE: The campaign proposal decision has to be in the same message as the
>> main decision.
>>
>> I accept my CoE hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to select the winner
>> of the Herald election.
>>
>> For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the valid options
>> are the candidates (PRESENT is always a valid vote, as are
>> conditionals), and the voting method is instant runoff.
>>
>> Currently, the candidates are Corona and PSS. As the election is
>> contested, any player still may become a candidate until the poll ends.
>>
>> I hereby distribute each listed campaign proposal, initiating the Agoran
>> Decision of whether to adopt it. For this decision, the vote collector
>> is the Assessor, the quorum is 4 and the valid options are FOR and
>> AGAINST (PRESENT is always a valid vote, as are conditionals).
>>
>>
>> Title: "History by Force"
>> Author: PSS
>> Co-author(s):
>> AI: 1
>> ID: 7973
>> Enact a new Rule "Miscellaneous Herald Duties", with the following text:
>> {
>>The Herald SHALL in eir weekly report include an interesting Agoran
>>fact and SHALL in eir monthly report include a short essay of any
>>authorship, regarding an aspect of Agoran history. Any player
>>publishing a thesis for a degree, related to Agoran history SHOULD
>>offer a summary for publication in the Herald's monthly report.
>>
>>The Herald SHALL in eir monthly report publish, with reasonable
>>effort, a summary of all theses written for the purpose of
>>receiving degrees, regardless of whether a degree was awarded.
>>The Herald SHOULD attempt to make theses available for reading.
>> }
>>
>>
>> On 11/24/2017 8:48 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>> This has to be done in the same message as the other decision.
>>>
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
On Nov 24, 2017, at 8:46 PM, ATMunn wrote:
ugh I'm too lazy for my own good today
I accept PSS's CoE.
I hereby distribute each listed campaign proposal, initiating the Agoran
Decision of whether to adopt it. For this decision, the vote collector
is the Assessor, the quorum is 4 and the valid options are FOR and
AGAINST (PRESENT is always a valid vote, as are conditionals).
Title: "History by Force"
Author: PSS
Co-author(s):
AI: 1
ID: 7973
Enact a new Rule "Miscellaneous Herald Duties", with the following text:
{
The Herald SHALL in eir weekly report include an interesting Agoran
fact and SHALL in eir monthly report include a short essay of any
authorship, regarding an aspect of Agoran history. Any player
publishing a thesis for a degree, related to Agoran history SHOULD
offer a summary for publication in the Herald's monthly report.
The Herald SHALL in eir monthly report publish, with reasonable
effort, a summary of all theses written for the purpose of
receiving degrees, regardless of whether a degree was awarded.
The Herald SHOULD attempt to make theses available for reading.
}
On 11/24/2017 8:33 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> CoE: I had a campaign proposal.
>
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> On Nov 24, 2017, at 8:30 PM, ATMunn wrote:
>>
>> I accept my CoE.
>>
>> I hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to select the winner of the
>> *Herald* election.
>>
>> For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the valid options
>> are the candidates (PRESENT is always a valid vote, as are
>> conditionals), and the voting method is instant runoff.
>>
>> Currently, the candidates are Corona and PSS. As the election is
>> contested, any player still may become a candidate until the poll ends.
>>
>> There were no campaign proposals.
>>
>> On 11/24/2017 8:28 PM, ATMunn wrote:
>>> crap. CoE: This should be for the Herald, not Referee.
>>> On 11/24/2017 8:26 PM, ATMunn wrote:
As per my duties as ADoP, I hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to
select the winner of the Referee election.
For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the valid
options
are the candidates (PRESENT i
BUS: Justice Favours
I award 3 Favours in the Party holding Justice to: - Alexis for CFJ 3603. - Alexis for CFJ 3604. - Aris for CFJ 3605. -G.
BUS: party party party
I use 2 participation favours to influence John Johnson, then advise him. Dudes, use your damn favours. -- >From V.J. Rada
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7982-7988
I vote as follows: On 11/26/2017 04:09 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > quorum is 8.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options > are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional > votes). > > ID Author(s) AITitlePender Pend fee > --- > 7982* V.J. Rada 1.7 Referee Reform Fix V.J. Rada 1 sh. FOR > 7983* Telnaior, [1] 1.0 SBOTGT [2] Telnaior1 AP AGAINST > 7984* Aris, [3] 2.6 Contract Flexibility Act Aris1 AP FOR > 7985* Alexis 2.6 Open Season on Contracts Alexis 1 AP FOR > 7986* P.S.S [4] 3.0 Quick FixP.S.S. [4] 1 AP FOR > 7987* ATMunn, [5]1.0 AOC [6] Aris1 AP AGAINST > 7988* G. 2.0 Minimal Econ reforms G. 1 AP FOR > The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals: > > ID Author(s) AI Title > --- > pp1 Alexis3.0 Terrible Economic Hack Job > > Legend: * : Proposal is pending. > > > [1] Alexis, VJ Rada > [2] Somehow Both Of These Got Through > [3] V.J. Rada, Ørjan > [3] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > [5] Alexis > [6] ADoP Obligation Clarification > > A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value > in shines (see the Treasuror's report). > > The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. > > // > ID: 7982 > Title: Referee Reform Fix > Adoption index: 1.7 > Author: V.J. Rada > Co-authors: > > > At the end of rule 2478 "Viglilante Justice", add a new > paragraph with the text "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger. The > Arbitor CANNOT Point eir Finger at the Referee". > > // > ID: 7983 > Title: Somehow Both Of These Got Through > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: Telnaior > Co-authors: Alexis, VJ Rada > > > Amend the Rule "Favour Awards" by changing > "For each voter who has not voted on an Agoran decision resolved > earlier in the > same Agoran week, e SHALL award that player 2 Favours in the Party holding > Participaiton." > to > "For each voter who has voted on an Agoran decision resolved earlier in the > same Agoran week, e SHALL award that player 2 Favours in the Party holding > Participation." > > // > ID: 7984 > Title: Contract Flexibility Act > Adoption index: 2.6 > Author: Aris > Co-authors: V.J. Rada, Ørjan > > > Amend Rule 2525, Interpreting Contracts, by: > > Removing item 6 of the numbered list and renumbering appropriately; and > Changing the phrase "failing protected action" to read "failing to perform > a protected action". > > // > ID: 7985 > Title: Open Season on Contracts > Adoption index: 2.6 > Author: Alexis > Co-authors: > > > Amend rule 2525 (Interpreting Contracts) by deleting all but the first two > paragraphs. > > // > ID: 7986 > Title: Quick Fix > Adoption index: 3.0 > Author: Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > Co-authors: > > > In rule 105, add a full stop after "repeal a rule" in bullet point 2. > > // > ID: 7987 > Title: ADoP Obligation Clarification > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: ATMunn > Co-authors: Alexis > > > Amend rule 2138, "The Associate Director of Personnel", by adding the > following > ist item to the end: > > 4. The Complexity of each Office. > > Also in rule 2138, add a full stop to the end of the second list item, if > there > is not one there already. > > // > ID: 7988 > Title: Minimal Econ reforms > Adoption index: 2.0 > Author: G. > Co-authors: > > > Amend Rule 2516 (Passive Income) to read: > > The Treasuror CAN, once each month, and SHALL, in a timely fashion > after the start of each month, publish a Payday Notice. The effect > of such a Notice is to: > > 1. Destroy all Shinies in Agora's possession. > > 2. Create 25 Shinies in the possession of each player. > > 3. For each office, if a single player held that office for > 16 or more days in the previous month and did not receive > a card other than Green during that time for performance or > nonperformance of that office's duties, create 10 shinies > in the possession of that player. > > > Amend Rule 2497 (Floatin
BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7973-7980
I award a Black Ribbon to each of the following persons: Aris ATMunn Corona G. o PSS Telnaior VJ Rada 天火狐 [And now, a Petard-Hoist rather than a banner-raising..] AP-CFJ: G. owns a Black Ribbon. ARGUMENTS: Ribbons is a place we never added "by announcement" to the awarding mechanism as far as I can tell. I'm not sure any ribbons that people claimed to award themselves by announcement have worked since Proposal 7828 took effect on Oct 22 (that tightened up Rule 2125 requirements for specifying 'by announcement' along with CANs). [No, I obviously didn't notice this until I went just now to check]. I submit and AP-pend the following proposal, "Ribbon fix", AI-3: -- Amend Rule 2438 by replacing: While a person qualifies for a type of Ribbon, any player can generally award em that type of Ribbon. with: While a person qualifies for a type of Ribbon, any player CAN award em that type of Ribbon by announcement. --
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7982-7988
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 at 16:10 Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > quorum is 8.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options > are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional > votes). > > ID Author(s) AITitlePender Pend > fee > --- > 7982* V.J. Rada 1.7 Referee Reform Fix V.J. Rada 1 sh. > FOR > 7983* Telnaior, [1] 1.0 SBOTGT [2] Telnaior1 AP > AGAINST - as discussed, this will break participation favours by awarding them for every vote except for the first, rather than for only the first vote. > 7984* Aris, [3] 2.6 Contract Flexibility Act Aris1 AP > AGAINST > 7985* Alexis 2.6 Open Season on Contracts Alexis 1 AP > FOR > 7986* P.S.S [4] 3.0 Quick FixP.S.S. [4] 1 AP > FOR > 7987* ATMunn, [5]1.0 AOC [6] Aris1 AP > AGAINST > 7988* G. 2.0 Minimal Econ reforms G. 1 AP > FOR -Alexis
BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7982-7988
pf On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 8:34 AM, VJ Rada wrote: >>the following ist item to the end: > hmmm. > > I vote as follows > > 7982* V.J. Rada 1.7 Referee Reform Fix V.J. Rada 1 sh. > FOR > 7983* Telnaior, [1] 1.0 SBOTGT [2] Telnaior1 AP > FOR > 7984* Aris, [3] 2.6 Contract Flexibility Act Aris1 AP > FOR > 7985* Alexis 2.6 Open Season on Contracts Alexis 1 AP > AGAINST > 7986* P.S.S [4] 3.0 Quick FixP.S.S. [4] 1 AP > FOR > 7987* ATMunn, [5]1.0 AOC [6] Aris1 AP > AGAINST > 7988* G. 2.0 Minimal Econ reforms G. 1 AP > FOR > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Aris Merchant > wrote: >> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran >> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal >> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the >> quorum is 8.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options >> are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional >> votes). >> >> ID Author(s) AITitlePender Pend fee >> --- >> 7982* V.J. Rada 1.7 Referee Reform Fix V.J. Rada 1 sh. >> 7983* Telnaior, [1] 1.0 SBOTGT [2] Telnaior1 AP >> 7984* Aris, [3] 2.6 Contract Flexibility Act Aris1 AP >> 7985* Alexis 2.6 Open Season on Contracts Alexis 1 AP >> 7986* P.S.S [4] 3.0 Quick FixP.S.S. [4] 1 AP >> 7987* ATMunn, [5]1.0 AOC [6] Aris1 AP >> 7988* G. 2.0 Minimal Econ reforms G. 1 AP >> >> The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals: >> >> ID Author(s) AI Title >> --- >> pp1 Alexis3.0 Terrible Economic Hack Job >> >> Legend: * : Proposal is pending. >> >> >> [1] Alexis, VJ Rada >> [2] Somehow Both Of These Got Through >> [3] V.J. Rada, Ørjan >> [3] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >> [5] Alexis >> [6] ADoP Obligation Clarification >> >> A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value >> in shines (see the Treasuror's report). >> >> The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. >> >> // >> ID: 7982 >> Title: Referee Reform Fix >> Adoption index: 1.7 >> Author: V.J. Rada >> Co-authors: >> >> >> At the end of rule 2478 "Viglilante Justice", add a new >> paragraph with the text "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger. The >> Arbitor CANNOT Point eir Finger at the Referee". >> >> // >> ID: 7983 >> Title: Somehow Both Of These Got Through >> Adoption index: 1.0 >> Author: Telnaior >> Co-authors: Alexis, VJ Rada >> >> >> Amend the Rule "Favour Awards" by changing >> "For each voter who has not voted on an Agoran decision resolved >> earlier in the >> same Agoran week, e SHALL award that player 2 Favours in the Party holding >> Participaiton." >> to >> "For each voter who has voted on an Agoran decision resolved earlier in the >> same Agoran week, e SHALL award that player 2 Favours in the Party holding >> Participation." >> >> // >> ID: 7984 >> Title: Contract Flexibility Act >> Adoption index: 2.6 >> Author: Aris >> Co-authors: V.J. Rada, Ørjan >> >> >> Amend Rule 2525, Interpreting Contracts, by: >> >> Removing item 6 of the numbered list and renumbering appropriately; and >> Changing the phrase "failing protected action" to read "failing to perform >> a protected action". >> >> // >> ID: 7985 >> Title: Open Season on Contracts >> Adoption index: 2.6 >> Author: Alexis >> Co-authors: >> >> >> Amend rule 2525 (Interpreting Contracts) by deleting all but the first two >> paragraphs. >> >> // >> ID: 7986 >> Title: Quick Fix >> Adoption index: 3.0 >> Author: Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >> Co-authors: >> >> >> In rule 105, add a full stop after "repeal a rule" in bullet point 2. >> >> // >> ID: 7987 >> Title: ADoP Obligation Clarification >> Adoption index: 1.0 >> Author: ATMunn >> Co-authors: Alexis >> >> >> Amend rule 2138, "The Associate Director of Personnel", by adding the >> following >> ist item to the end: >> >> 4. The Complexity of each Office. >> >> Also in rule 2138, add a full stop to the end of the second list item, if >> there >> is not one there already. >> >>
BUS: Rewards
If Agora has fewer than 5 shinies, I pay it enough shinies that it has 5. I claim a reward of 5 shinies for my Promotor Report. -Aris
BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7973-7980
Oi! I point the finger at PSS for not awarding legislation favours. Again.
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 6:38 AM, VJ Rada wrote:
> So that's it: G. wins by ribbons (when e logs on). Congratulations.
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:04 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> wrote:
>> I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s) 7973-7980 below.
>>
>>
>>
>> [This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to adopt the
>> following proposals. For each decision, the options available to
>> Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!). If a
>> decision's voting period is still ongoing, I end it immediately
>> before resolving it and after resolving the previous decision.]
>>
>> ID Author(s)AI TitlePender Pend
>> fee
>> ---
>> 7973X Aris 1.0 Sky Pillars ArisOP [1]
>> 7974X V.J. Rada3.0 [2] Really minor fixes V.J. Rada 1 AP
>> 7975* ATMunn, [3] 2.0 Auctions v6 ATMunn 1 AP
>> 7976* Alexis, [4] 1.7 A Mostest Ingenious Paradox Alexis 2 sh.
>> 7977X ATMunn 3.0 Silver Ribbons ATMunn 1 AP
>> 7978X G. 3.0 Gotta allow a win sometime Corona 1 AP
>> 7879* G. 1.0 Plain Old BriberyG. 1 AP
>> 7880* ATMunn, [5] 1.0 [6] Alexis 1 AP
>>
>> | | 7973 | 7974 | 7975 | 7976 | 7977 | 7978 | 7979 | 7980 |
>> |-+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
>> |Alexis | P| AA | P| FF | AA | AA | AA | F|
>> |Aris | P| A| F| F| F| F| F| F|
>> |ATMunn | P| P| F| F| F| F| F| F|
>> |Corona | F| A| F| F| P| F| F| F|
>> |G. | A| A| F| F| A| A| F| A|
>> |o| A| A| F| P| F| F| F| F|
>> |PSS | F| A| F| A| F| F| F| F|
>> |Telnaior | A| A| F| A| F| F| F| F|
>> |VJ Rada | A| F| F| F| A| A| F| F|
>> |天火狐| F| N| P| N| N| N| F| F|
>> |-+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
>> |F/A | 3/4 | 1/8 | 8/0 | 7/2 | 5/4 | 6/4 | 9/2 | 9/1 |
>> |AI | 1.0 | 3.0 | 2.0 | 1.7 | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1.0 | 1.0 |
>> |V| 10 | 9| 10 | 9| 9| 9| 10 | 10 |
>> |Q| 4| 4| 4| 4| 4| 4| 4| 4|
>> |P| F| F| T| T| F| F| T| T|
>>
>> //
>> ID: 7975
>> Title: Auctions v6
>> Adoption index: 2.0
>> Author: ATMunn
>> Co-authors: o, Aris, nichdel, G.
>>
>> Create a power-2 rule titled "Auctions"
>> {
>> An Auction is a way for entities to give away items in exchange for
>> a currency. Any rule or contract CAN permit (or require) Auctions to be
>> initiated.
>> }
>>
>> Create a power-1 rule titled "Lots"
>> {
>> Each Auction has one or more lots of items.
>>
>> A lot is a non-empty list of items to be transferred by a single Auction to
>> a single recipient.
>> }
>>
>> Create a power-1 rule titled "The Auctioneer"
>> {
>> Each Auction has an Auctioneer.
>>
>> The Auctioneer of an Auction is the entity that initiates that
>> Auction, and describes all of the specifics of an Auction. All
>> rules or contracts permitting Auctions to be initiated should
>> specify an entity to be Auctioneer. If no Auctioneer is specified,
>> the default Auctioneer for Auctions defined by the rules is Agora, and
>> the default Auctioneer for Auctions defined by a contract is the
>> contract itself.
>>
>> A clause in a Contract purporting to make an entity which is neither the
>> Contract itself nor a party to the Contract the Auctioneer of an Auction
>> defined by that Contract is INEFFECTIVE.
>> }
>>
>> Create a power-1 rule titled "The Auction Announcer"
>> {
>> Each Auction has an Announcer. Only persons can be Announcers.
>>
>> If the Auctioneer of an Auction is a player, then that player is the
>> Announcer of that Auction.
>>
>> Otherwise, the rule or contract defining an Auction CAN define the
>> Announcer for that Auction. Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, no
>> Contract can define a person as the Announcer of an Auction unless that
>> person is a party to that Contract.
>> }
>>
>> Create a power-1 rule titled "Auction Initiation"
>> {
>> An entity authorized by a rule or contract to initiate an Auction CAN do so
>> by announcement. If the rule or contract specifies that that entity MUST do
>> so, that entity SHALL do so in a timely fashi
BUS: An Indulgent CFJ
I spend a shiny to create the following contract, entitled "No
Self-Indulgence":
{{{
Alexis SHALL NOT pend any proposal e authored.
Alexis CAN revoke this contract by announcement.
}}}
I submit the following proposal:
Proposal: Self-Indulgence AI=3
{{{
The contract "No Self-Indulgence" is destroyed.
If, immediately after this proposal's submission, it was LEGAL for Alexis
to pend it, repeal Rule 101.
}}}
I AP-CFJ:
{{{
It is LEGAL for me to pend the proposal "Self-Indulgence".
}}}
Arguments:
Per Rule 2525, pending a proposal whose sole effect is to destroy a
contract a protected action, and therefore cannot be forbidden by a
contract. Thus, the restriction on pending proposals in "No
Self-Indulgence" does not apply to any proposal whose sole effect is to
destroy a contract.
If it is LEGAL for me to pend Self-Indulgence, then it will repeal Rule
101. In this case, its effect is not solely limited to destroying a
contract (or any of the other effects that would cause its pending to be
protected by Rule 2525). Thus, pending it is unprotected and No
Self-Indulgence is free to restrict it. So it must actually be ILLEGAL.
If it is ILLEGAL for me to pend Self-Indulgence, then it will not repeal
Rule 101. In this case, its effect is solely limited to destroying a
contract, and pending it is protected. Thus No Self-Indulgence cannot
impose on me an obligation not to pend it, so it must be LEGAL (Given that,
as is in fact the case, there is nothing else that would make it illegal).
I destroy No Self-Indulgence and withdraw Self-Indulgence.
BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette
I recuse myself from 3591. I have tried to come up with a way to read
the rules consistently. However, I have been unable to find a way to
read it that follows all of the rules. I am very sorry for any trouble
that I have caused or will cause.
On 11/19/2017 03:18 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> COURT GAZETTE [Arbitor's Weekly Report for 19 Nov 2017]
>
> * PUBLIC REMINDER to PSS, G., and Aris
>You have judgements that are late or nearly late! See below.
>
> * I've dropped Nichdel from the list of judges as e hasn't been around.
>Can re-add at request!
>
> Open Cases (CFJs)
>
> [* = overdue, ! = <24 hours before deadline]
>
> 3591* Motioned to Publius (due Sat, 18 Nov 2017 ~03:14:10)
> 3595! Assigned to G. (due Sun, 19 Nov 2017 ~22:14:02)
> 3596! Assigned to G. (due Sun, 19 Nov 2017 ~22:16:00)
> 3597! Assigned to Aris (due Sun, 19 Nov 2017 ~22:19:51)
>
> 3598 Assigned to ATMunn (due Sun, 26 Nov 2017 ~19:56:44)
> 3599 Assigned to o(due Sun, 26 Nov 2017 ~20:01:43)
> 3600 Assigned to o(due Sun, 26 Nov 2017 ~20:01:43)
> 3601 Assigned to o(due Sun, 26 Nov 2017 ~20:01:43)
> 3602 Assigned to Telnaior (due Sun, 26 Nov 2017 ~20:03:30)
> 3603 Assigned to Alexis (due Sun, 26 Nov 2017 ~20:07:06)
> 3604 Assigned to Alexis (due Sun, 26 Nov 2017 ~20:09:22)
>
>
> Recently-Delivered Verdicts and Implications
>
> [** = consider for rules annotation, ! = delivered late]
>
> **3592 by o: If a purported report is missing required information, it
> is not a report.
>
> 3593 by ATMunn: a collection of puns without a final punchline can be
> "a truly hideous pun" as per R1650.
>
> 3594 bt Telnaior: confusion in Medal of Honour definition ("month" and
> "7 days") somehow made the rule not work (a bit confused on the logic of
> the judge's arguments myself).
>
>
> Bench Roster
>
> Judge Court[***] Recent
> - ---
> G. Night3556, 3567, 3563, 3579, 3580, 3582, 3595, 3596
> PubliusNight3558, 3561, 3574, 3576, 3591
> Corona Night
> o Day 3568, 3565, 3572, 3584, 3590, 3592, 3599-3601
> Aris Day 3557, 3562, 3577, 3578, 3589, 3597
> V.J. Rada Day 3585
> Telnaior Day 3586, 3594, 3602
> Alexis Weekend 3573, 3581, 3587, 3588, 3603, 3604
> ATMunn Weekend 3593, 3598
>
>
> Highest Numbered Case: 3604
>
> [***] Court Descriptions
>
> Day Court [Default, rotate roster through as needed].
>
> Night Court [Assigned quick turnaround cases (either trivial or
> game-urgent), generally promises to judge in 4 days].
>
> Weekend Court [Backup/partial rotation, generally gets half as many
>cases each as Day Court].
>
> Courts are informal relative levels of "interest" in judging as per
> R991. Players can change Court by notifying the Arbitor.
>
>
> DISCLAIMER
> Informational only - No actions are contained in this report.
> Information in this report is NOT self-ratifying.
>
>
>
>
>
--
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
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BUS: Re: DIS: Promotor Draft
I retreat Re-opening the Door. On Sun, Nov 26, 2017, 03:28 VJ Rada, wrote: > I retract "clear statement rule" > > On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Does this look fine? > > > > -Aris > > > > --- > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > > quorum is 5.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options > > are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional > > votes). > > > > ID Author(s) AITitlePender > Pend fee > > > --- > > 7982* V.J. Rada 1.7 Referee Reform Fix V.J. Rada 1 > sh. > > 7983* Telnaior, [1] 1.0 [2] Telnaior1 AP > > 7984* Aris, [3] 2.6 Contract Flexibility Act Aris1 AP > > 7985* Alexis 2.6 Open Season on Contracts Alexis 1 AP > > 7986* V.J. Rada 2.6 Clear-Statement Rule V.J. Rada 1 > sh. > > 7987* Alexis 2.0 Re-opening the Door Alexis 1 > sh. > > 7988* P.S.S [4] 3.0 Quick FixP.S.S. [4] 1 AP > > 7889* ATMunn, [5]1.0 [6] Aris1 AP > > 7890* G. 2.0 Minimal Econ reforms G. 1 AP > > > > The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals: > > > > ID Author(s) AI Title > > > --- > > pp1 Alexis3.0 Terrible Economic Hack Job > > > > Legend: * : Proposal is pending. > > > > > > [1] Alexis, VJ Rada > > [2] Somehow Both Of These Got Through > > [3] V.J. Rada, Ørjan > > [3] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > > [5] Alexis > > [6] ADoP Obligation Clarification > > > > A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value > > in shines (see the Treasuror's report). > > > > The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. > > > > // > > ID: 7982 > > Title: Referee Reform Fix > > Adoption index: 1.7 > > Author: V.J. Rada > > Co-authors: > > > > > > At the end of rule 2478 "Viglilante Justice", add a new > > paragraph with the text "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger. The > > Arbitor CANNOT Point eir Finger at the Referee". > > > > // > > ID: 7983 > > Title: Somehow Both Of These Got Through > > Adoption index: 1.0 > > Author: Telnaior > > Co-authors: Alexis, VJ Rada > > > > > > Amend the Rule "Favour Awards" by changing > > "For each voter who has not voted on an Agoran decision resolved > > earlier in the > > same Agoran week, e SHALL award that player 2 Favours in the Party > holding > > Participaiton." > > to > > "For each voter who has voted on an Agoran decision resolved earlier > in the > > same Agoran week, e SHALL award that player 2 Favours in the Party > holding > > Participation." > > > > // > > ID: 7984 > > Title: Contract Flexibility Act > > Adoption index: 2.6 > > Author: Aris > > Co-authors: V.J. Rada, Ørjan > > > > > > Amend Rule 2525, Interpreting Contracts, by: > > > > Removing item 6 of the numbered list and renumbering appropriately; and > > Changing the phrase "failing protected action" to read "failing to > perform > > a protected action". > > > > // > > ID: 7985 > > Title: Open Season on Contracts > > Adoption index: 2.6 > > Author: Alexis > > Co-authors: > > > > > > Amend rule 2525 (Interpreting Contracts) by deleting all but the first > two > > paragraphs. > > > > // > > ID: 7986 > > Title: Clear-Statement Rule > > Adoption index: 2.6 > > Author: V.J. Rada > > Co-authors: > > > > > > Amend the last paragraph of rule 2525 "Interpreting Contracts" to state > > "Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, a contract CANNOT compel, > > forbid, or in any significant way alter, tamper with, or modify the > > performance of a protected action. A contract CANNOT punish a player > > for performing or failing protected action, or for doing so in a > > particular manner, except where it would otherwise be ILLEGAL. > > Exception: if a Contract specifically states that it shall be contrary > > to this rule for each protected action it compels, forbids, tampers > > with etc, and if each party to that Contract specifically consented to > > that contract's use of each protected action, the previous sentence > > does not apply." > > > > // > > ID: 7987 > > Title: Re-opening the Door > > Adoption index: 2.
Re: BUS: Looking interesting
Darn, nobody deregistered me. Can’t make CFJs about that then. If I’m a zombie with a master other than Gaelan, I flip my master switch to Gaelan. Gaelan > On Nov 26, 2017, at 1:28 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > I’ve been looking to get back into Agora. Now seems like a good time. > > Gaelan
BUS: Looking interesting
I’ve been looking to get back into Agora. Now seems like a good time. Gaelan
BUS: Re: DIS: Promotor Draft
pf On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:28 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > I retract "clear statement rule" > > On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: >> Does this look fine? >> >> -Aris >> >> --- >> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran >> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal >> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the >> quorum is 5.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options >> are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional >> votes). >> >> ID Author(s) AITitlePender Pend fee >> --- >> 7982* V.J. Rada 1.7 Referee Reform Fix V.J. Rada 1 sh. >> 7983* Telnaior, [1] 1.0 [2] Telnaior1 AP >> 7984* Aris, [3] 2.6 Contract Flexibility Act Aris1 AP >> 7985* Alexis 2.6 Open Season on Contracts Alexis 1 AP >> 7986* V.J. Rada 2.6 Clear-Statement Rule V.J. Rada 1 sh. >> 7987* Alexis 2.0 Re-opening the Door Alexis 1 sh. >> 7988* P.S.S [4] 3.0 Quick FixP.S.S. [4] 1 AP >> 7889* ATMunn, [5]1.0 [6] Aris1 AP >> 7890* G. 2.0 Minimal Econ reforms G. 1 AP >> >> The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals: >> >> ID Author(s) AI Title >> --- >> pp1 Alexis3.0 Terrible Economic Hack Job >> >> Legend: * : Proposal is pending. >> >> >> [1] Alexis, VJ Rada >> [2] Somehow Both Of These Got Through >> [3] V.J. Rada, Ørjan >> [3] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >> [5] Alexis >> [6] ADoP Obligation Clarification >> >> A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value >> in shines (see the Treasuror's report). >> >> The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. >> >> // >> ID: 7982 >> Title: Referee Reform Fix >> Adoption index: 1.7 >> Author: V.J. Rada >> Co-authors: >> >> >> At the end of rule 2478 "Viglilante Justice", add a new >> paragraph with the text "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger. The >> Arbitor CANNOT Point eir Finger at the Referee". >> >> // >> ID: 7983 >> Title: Somehow Both Of These Got Through >> Adoption index: 1.0 >> Author: Telnaior >> Co-authors: Alexis, VJ Rada >> >> >> Amend the Rule "Favour Awards" by changing >> "For each voter who has not voted on an Agoran decision resolved >> earlier in the >> same Agoran week, e SHALL award that player 2 Favours in the Party holding >> Participaiton." >> to >> "For each voter who has voted on an Agoran decision resolved earlier in the >> same Agoran week, e SHALL award that player 2 Favours in the Party holding >> Participation." >> >> // >> ID: 7984 >> Title: Contract Flexibility Act >> Adoption index: 2.6 >> Author: Aris >> Co-authors: V.J. Rada, Ørjan >> >> >> Amend Rule 2525, Interpreting Contracts, by: >> >> Removing item 6 of the numbered list and renumbering appropriately; and >> Changing the phrase "failing protected action" to read "failing to perform >> a protected action". >> >> // >> ID: 7985 >> Title: Open Season on Contracts >> Adoption index: 2.6 >> Author: Alexis >> Co-authors: >> >> >> Amend rule 2525 (Interpreting Contracts) by deleting all but the first two >> paragraphs. >> >> // >> ID: 7986 >> Title: Clear-Statement Rule >> Adoption index: 2.6 >> Author: V.J. Rada >> Co-authors: >> >> >> Amend the last paragraph of rule 2525 "Interpreting Contracts" to state >> "Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, a contract CANNOT compel, >> forbid, or in any significant way alter, tamper with, or modify the >> performance of a protected action. A contract CANNOT punish a player >> for performing or failing protected action, or for doing so in a >> particular manner, except where it would otherwise be ILLEGAL. >> Exception: if a Contract specifically states that it shall be contrary >> to this rule for each protected action it compels, forbids, tampers >> with etc, and if each party to that Contract specifically consented to >> that contract's use of each protected action, the previous sentence >> does not apply." >> >> // >> ID: 7987 >> Title: Re-opening the Door >> Adoption index: 2.0 >> Author: Alexis >> Co-authors: >> >> >> Amend Rule "2507" by inserting "unless a proposal terminates this effect >> sooner, " after "After the Door is Slamme
