Re: BUS: Proposal: Impeachment
I pend this proposal by expending a paper. -Aris On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:44 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I submit the following proposal. > > -Aris > --- > Title: Impeachment > Adoption index: 2.0 > Author: Aris > Co-authors: > > Enact a new power 2.0 rule, entitled "Impeachment", with the following text: > > A player CAN be expelled (impeached) from a specified elected office which > e holds with 2 Agoran Consent. When a person is impeached from an office, > an election is immediately opened for that office. Players SHOULD NOT use > this method of removal unless the officer has abused the powers of eir > office or otherwise shown emself unworthy the trust of Agora.
BUS: Proposal: Impeachment
I submit the following proposal. -Aris --- Title: Impeachment Adoption index: 2.0 Author: Aris Co-authors: Enact a new power 2.0 rule, entitled "Impeachment", with the following text: A player CAN be expelled (impeached) from a specified elected office which e holds with 2 Agoran Consent. When a person is impeached from an office, an election is immediately opened for that office. Players SHOULD NOT use this method of removal unless the officer has abused the powers of eir office or otherwise shown emself unworthy the trust of Agora.
Re: BUS: Contract Amendment
That is, I object for myself and PSS to Aris's intent On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Ned Strange wrote: > I object both for myself and PSS. > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: >> Well, I object. There is no reason we should allow you to reclaim your >> assets from a badly designed scam contract. I intend, with 2 Agoran >> consent, to destroy the contract "Hi". >> >> -Aris >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 7:13 PM Ned Strange >> wrote: >> >>> I object and intend to amend "Hi!" without objection to have the new >>> text "VJ Rada can transfer all assets in this contract to emself by >>> announcement". >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ned Strange >>> wrote: >>> > I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without objection. The new >>> > text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all assets from >>> > this contract by announcement". >>> > >>> > -- >>> > From V.J. Rada >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From V.J. Rada >>> > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: BUS: Contract Amendment
I support Aris' intent and object to both intents to amend the contract. On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 9:47 PM Corona wrote: > I support, and I act on behalf of Quazie to support the destruction of > "Hi". > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 6:04 AM, Ned Strange > wrote: > > > I object both for myself and PSS. > > > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Aris Merchant > > wrote: > > > Well, I object. There is no reason we should allow you to reclaim your > > > assets from a badly designed scam contract. I intend, with 2 Agoran > > > consent, to destroy the contract "Hi". > > > > > > -Aris > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 7:13 PM Ned Strange > > > wrote: > > > > > >> I object and intend to amend "Hi!" without objection to have the new > > >> text "VJ Rada can transfer all assets in this contract to emself by > > >> announcement". > > >> > > >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ned Strange < > edwardostra...@gmail.com > > > > > >> wrote: > > >> > I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without objection. The > new > > >> > text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all assets > from > > >> > this contract by announcement". > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > From V.J. Rada > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> From V.J. Rada > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > From V.J. Rada > > > > > > -- > > ~Corona >
Re: BUS: Contract Amendment
I support, and I act on behalf of Quazie to support the destruction of "Hi". On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 6:04 AM, Ned Strange wrote: > I object both for myself and PSS. > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Well, I object. There is no reason we should allow you to reclaim your > > assets from a badly designed scam contract. I intend, with 2 Agoran > > consent, to destroy the contract "Hi". > > > > -Aris > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 7:13 PM Ned Strange > > wrote: > > > >> I object and intend to amend "Hi!" without objection to have the new > >> text "VJ Rada can transfer all assets in this contract to emself by > >> announcement". > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ned Strange > > >> wrote: > >> > I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without objection. The new > >> > text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all assets from > >> > this contract by announcement". > >> > > >> > -- > >> > From V.J. Rada > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> From V.J. Rada > >> > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada > -- ~Corona
Re: BUS: Contract Amendment
I object both for myself and PSS. On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Well, I object. There is no reason we should allow you to reclaim your > assets from a badly designed scam contract. I intend, with 2 Agoran > consent, to destroy the contract "Hi". > > -Aris > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 7:13 PM Ned Strange > wrote: > >> I object and intend to amend "Hi!" without objection to have the new >> text "VJ Rada can transfer all assets in this contract to emself by >> announcement". >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ned Strange >> wrote: >> > I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without objection. The new >> > text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all assets from >> > this contract by announcement". >> > >> > -- >> > From V.J. Rada >> >> >> >> -- >> From V.J. Rada >> -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: BUS: Contract Amendment
Well, I object. There is no reason we should allow you to reclaim your assets from a badly designed scam contract. I intend, with 2 Agoran consent, to destroy the contract "Hi". -Aris On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 7:13 PM Ned Strange wrote: > I object and intend to amend "Hi!" without objection to have the new > text "VJ Rada can transfer all assets in this contract to emself by > announcement". > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ned Strange > wrote: > > I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without objection. The new > > text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all assets from > > this contract by announcement". > > > > -- > > From V.J. Rada > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada >
Re: BUS: Contract Amendment
I object and intend to amend "Hi!" without objection to have the new text "VJ Rada can transfer all assets in this contract to emself by announcement". On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ned Strange wrote: > I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without objection. The new > text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all assets from > this contract by announcement". > > -- > From V.J. Rada -- >From V.J. Rada
BUS: Contract Amendment
I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without objection. The new text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all assets from this contract by announcement". -- >From V.J. Rada
BUS: Contract: Patches
I spend one coin to create the following contract, “Patches.”
{
If this contract has no coins, it accepts transfers of a single coin. If it has
no papers, it accepts transfers of a single paper.
This contract maintains a piece of state known as the Patch Puddle, containing
a set of Patches each consisting of a title, adoption index, author, and body
of 50 words or fewer.
A proposal cycle is the period between the publication of two Promotor reports
containing the contents of the Proposal Pool.
Any player may add a Patch to the Patch Puddle if this contract is not
currently accepting any assets. Each player may do this no more than twice per
proposal cycle.
Once per proposal cycle, Gaelan SHALL create and pend a proposal with the
following properties:
Title: Any title containing “Patches”
Author: Gaelan
Co-authors: The set of all players who authored one or more Patches in the
Patch Puddle
Adoption Index: The maximum Adoption Index of any Patch in the Patch Puddle
Text: The below text, followed by the contents of the Patch Puddle.
{
The patches below are not part of the effects of this proposal, and do not take
effect as a result of this proposal except for as specified below.
For each of the patches below:
If the patch had been a full proposal distributed at the same time as this
proposal, and the result of its resolution would have been FOR, the patch takes
effect, gaining power equal to its Adoption Index. It can make changes to the
gamestate as if it were a proposal with
BEGIN PATCHES
}
Upon the pending of this proposal, the Patch Puddle becomes empty. In a message
where e pends such a proposal, Gaelan CAN cause this proposal to transfer 1
paper to em.
Any player may amend this contract with 2 Agoran Consent, as defined in the
ruleset.
}
Gaelan
I object to all intentions that do not satisfy all of these criteria:
- The intention was sent to agora-business, or agora-official if it is related
to an office held by the player making the intention.
- The intention was not sent in a way designed to prevent people from noticing
its existence.
BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2
I bid 1 on all. Gaelan I object to all intentions that do not satisfy all of these criteria: - The intention was sent to agora-business, or agora-official if it is related to an office held by the player making the intention. - The intention was not sent in a way designed to prevent people from noticing its existence. > On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > > This is the second real land auction. > > There are currently 5 public, unpreserved, non-aether land units in > existence. All 5 are put up for auction. > > For the following 5 auctions, I am the announcer, Agora is the auctioneer, > and the minimum bid is 1 coin: > > AUCTION 1: The lot is the white land unit at (+1, +2) > AUCTION 2: The lot is the white land unit at (+1, +3) > AUCTION 3: The lot is the white land unit at (+2, 0) > AUCTION 4: The lot is the black land unit at (+2, +1) > AUCTION 5: The lot is the black land unit at (+2, +2)
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] The Map of Arcadia -- April 11, 2018
Actually I believe this failed, as I tried to move from black to white by spending only one apple. If I am still currently standing at (-1, +1) then I spend 2 apples to move to (-1, 0) and another to move to (-1, -1). I then transfer all of the assets from the facility where I am standing to me. On 4/11/2018 9:27 AM, ATMunn wrote: I transfer all of the assets where I am standing to me. I spend 1 apple to move to (-1, 0) and then another to move to (-1, -1). I then transfer all of the assets where I am standing to me. I also act on Nichdel's behalf to transfer all of eir assets to me. On 4/11/2018 2:22 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: THE MAP OF ARCADIA -- APRIL 2, 2018 View an interactive version of this report here: https://agoranomic.org/Cartographor/maps/map-2018-04-11.html LAND TYPE MAP LONGITUDE - 6543210123456 + - - 6 * 6 5 * 5 aether (*) 4 * 4 (b)lack L 3 * 3 (w)hite A 2 * 2 T 1 wwwbb 1 I 0 wwbbb 0 T 1 wwbbbw*** 1 U 2 **bwb 2 D 3 * 3 E 4 * 4 5 * 5 6 * 6 + + - 6543210123456 + OWNERSHIP MAP LONGITUDE - 6543210123456 + - - 6 * 6 5 * 5 Agora, Aether (*) 4 * 4 Agora, Non-Aether (.) L 3 * 3 (G)aelan A 2 * 2 (K)enyon T 1 G...K 1 (T)rigon I 0 T...C 0 (C)orona T 1 C.*** 1 U 2 **... 2 D 3 * 3 E 4 * 4 5 * 5 6 * 6 + + - 6543210123456 + PRESERVATION MAP LONGITUDE - 6543210123456 + - - 6 f 6 5 f 5 (t)rue 4 f 4 (f)alse L 3 f 3 A 2 f 2 T 1 ftttf 1 I 0 ftttf 0 T 1 ftttf 1 U 2 f 2 D 3 f 3 E 4 f 4 5 f 5 6 f 6 + + - 6543210123456 + FACILITIES (-1, -1): Preserved Rank 1 Mine, owned by Agora Assets: 3 stones, 2 ore (-1, +1): Preserved Rank 1 Orchard, owned by Agora Assets: 3 apples, 3 lumber (+1, -1): Preserved Rank 1 Farm, owned by Agora Assets: 3 corn, 3 cotton (+1, +1): Preserved Rank 1 Mine, owned by Agora Assets: 3 stones, 2 ore LOCATIONS OF ENTITIES Player Last report This Report --- omd ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) o ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) Aris (-1, -1) (-1, -1) DFF[1] ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) Quazie ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) P.S.S.[2] ( 0, 0) (-1, -1) Gaelan ( 0, 0) (-1, -1) nichdel ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) G. ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) Cuddlebeam (-1, -1) (-1, -1) Trigon ( 0, 0) (+1, +2) Telnaior ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) Corona ( 0, 0) (+1, +1) pokes ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) Murphy ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) VJ Rada ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) Kenyon (-1, +1) (-1, +1) ATMunn (-1, +1) (-1, +1) Ouri ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) [1]: In Full, 天火狐 [2]: In Full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus ALTERNATING LAND TYPE The alternating land type has been switched 4 times. The current value is Black. CHANGES IN LAND TYPE AND OWNERSHIP Date Unit From To --- 2018-04-09 (-1, +2) Agora Kenyon 2018-04-09 ( 0, -2) Agora Trigon 2018-04-09 (+1, -2) Agora Corona 2018-04-09 ( 0, +2) Agora Corona 2018-04-10 (-1, -2) Agora Gaelan
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2
I bid 6 coins in every auction except for auction 1, where I bid 8 coins. On 4/11/2018 9:20 AM, Corona wrote: I bid 5 coins in every auction except for auction 3, where I bid 6 coins. ~Corona On Wednesday, April 11, 2018, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: Well, I bid 2 coins in every auction except auction 3, which I bid 5 coins on. -Aris On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:31 PM Kenyon Prater wrote: I bid one coin in every auction. On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:28 PM Reuben Staley wrote: This is the second real land auction. There are currently 5 public, unpreserved, non-aether land units in existence. All 5 are put up for auction. For the following 5 auctions, I am the announcer, Agora is the auctioneer, and the minimum bid is 1 coin: AUCTION 1: The lot is the white land unit at (+1, +2) AUCTION 2: The lot is the white land unit at (+1, +3) AUCTION 3: The lot is the white land unit at (+2, 0) AUCTION 4: The lot is the black land unit at (+2, +1) AUCTION 5: The lot is the black land unit at (+2, +2)
BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] The Map of Arcadia -- April 11, 2018
I transfer all of the assets where I am standing to me. I spend 1 apple to move to (-1, 0) and then another to move to (-1, -1). I then transfer all of the assets where I am standing to me. I also act on Nichdel's behalf to transfer all of eir assets to me. On 4/11/2018 2:22 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: THE MAP OF ARCADIA -- APRIL 2, 2018 View an interactive version of this report here: https://agoranomic.org/Cartographor/maps/map-2018-04-11.html LAND TYPE MAP LONGITUDE - 6543210123456 + - - 6 * 6 5 * 5 aether (*) 4 * 4 (b)lack L 3 * 3 (w)hite A 2 * 2 T 1 wwwbb 1 I 0 wwbbb 0 T 1 wwbbbw*** 1 U 2 **bwb 2 D 3 * 3 E 4 * 4 5 * 5 6 * 6 + + - 6543210123456 + OWNERSHIP MAP LONGITUDE - 6543210123456 + - - 6 * 6 5 * 5 Agora, Aether (*) 4 * 4 Agora, Non-Aether (.) L 3 * 3 (G)aelan A 2 * 2 (K)enyon T 1 G...K 1 (T)rigon I 0 T...C 0 (C)orona T 1 C.*** 1 U 2 **... 2 D 3 * 3 E 4 * 4 5 * 5 6 * 6 + + - 6543210123456 + PRESERVATION MAP LONGITUDE - 6543210123456 + - - 6 f 6 5 f 5 (t)rue 4 f 4 (f)alse L 3 f 3 A 2 f 2 T 1 ftttf 1 I 0 ftttf 0 T 1 ftttf 1 U 2 f 2 D 3 f 3 E 4 f 4 5 f 5 6 f 6 + + - 6543210123456 + FACILITIES (-1, -1): Preserved Rank 1 Mine, owned by Agora Assets: 3 stones, 2 ore (-1, +1): Preserved Rank 1 Orchard, owned by Agora Assets: 3 apples, 3 lumber (+1, -1): Preserved Rank 1 Farm, owned by Agora Assets: 3 corn, 3 cotton (+1, +1): Preserved Rank 1 Mine, owned by Agora Assets: 3 stones, 2 ore LOCATIONS OF ENTITIES Player Last report This Report --- omd ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) o ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) Aris (-1, -1) (-1, -1) DFF[1] ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) Quazie ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) P.S.S.[2] ( 0, 0) (-1, -1) Gaelan ( 0, 0) (-1, -1) nichdel ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) G. ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) Cuddlebeam (-1, -1) (-1, -1) Trigon ( 0, 0) (+1, +2) Telnaior ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) Corona ( 0, 0) (+1, +1) pokes ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) Murphy ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) VJ Rada ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) Kenyon (-1, +1) (-1, +1) ATMunn (-1, +1) (-1, +1) Ouri ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) [1]: In Full, 天火狐 [2]: In Full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus ALTERNATING LAND TYPE The alternating land type has been switched 4 times. The current value is Black. CHANGES IN LAND TYPE AND OWNERSHIP Date Unit From To --- 2018-04-09 (-1, +2) Agora Kenyon 2018-04-09 ( 0, -2) Agora Trigon 2018-04-09 (+1, -2) Agora Corona 2018-04-09 ( 0, +2) Agora Corona 2018-04-10 (-1, -2) Agora Gaelan
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2
I bid 5 coins in every auction except for auction 3, where I bid 6 coins. ~Corona On Wednesday, April 11, 2018, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, I bid 2 coins in every auction except auction 3, which I bid 5 coins > on. > > -Aris > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:31 PM Kenyon Prater > wrote: > > > I bid one coin in every auction. > > > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:28 PM Reuben Staley > > wrote: > > > > > This is the second real land auction. > > > > > > There are currently 5 public, unpreserved, non-aether land units in > > > existence. All 5 are put up for auction. > > > > > > For the following 5 auctions, I am the announcer, Agora is the > > > auctioneer, and the minimum bid is 1 coin: > > > > > > AUCTION 1: The lot is the white land unit at (+1, +2) > > > AUCTION 2: The lot is the white land unit at (+1, +3) > > > AUCTION 3: The lot is the white land unit at (+2, 0) > > > AUCTION 4: The lot is the black land unit at (+2, +1) > > > AUCTION 5: The lot is the black land unit at (+2, +2) > > > > > > -- ~Corona
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Monthly deregistration intents and zombifications
And, in case I still wasn't referee, I resolve this other finger-pointing as indicated below. On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Fair enough. (I think the proto is important in this case though - a > CFJ should stop the 14-day clock on punishment). > > Given that there has been no time in the recent past that I had sufficient > support to do the job in question within the time limit, my initial > attempt that failed was as good as any other attempt would have been. > > I find Shenanigans. > > On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > > That's not needed. The rules say punishment CAN only be imposed if a > > rule is broken so the Ref can simply impose punishment and then if the > > CFJ rules otherwise, the punishment never happened in the first place. > > Or not, if he so chooses. The Ref is entitled to rule finger-pointing > > as Shenanigans even when it is not Shenanigans if e believes sincerely > > there is no breach. > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 9:33 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > > There is a CFJ pending as to whether this is shenanigans or not. > > > > > > Proto: Add to the finger-pointing rule, a third option for the > > > referee: Impose justice, declare shenanigans, OR CFJ/point to an > > > existing CFJ. > > > > > > On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > > >> I point my finger at G. for failing to attempt to deregister each > > >> inactive player. I suppose that because this isn't officially related > > >> to the duties of the Referee, G must judge himself. > > >> > > >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Aris Merchant > > >> wrote: > > >> > I intend, without 3 objections, to assign this CFJ to myself. > > >> > > > >> > -Aris > > >> > > > >> > On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 11:47 PM, Kerim Aydin > > >> > wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> [No coin needed, was planning to anyway. Here's a CFJ!] > > >> >> > > >> >> I deregister every one of the following players with 3 Agoran consent: > > >> >> - Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > > >> >> - 天火狐 > > >> >> - Telnaior > > >> >> - omd (zombie) > > >> >> - o (zombie) > > >> >> - nichdel (zombie) > > >> >> - pokes (zombie) > > >> >> As the waiting period for Agoran consent has not passed following any > > >> >> announcement of intent, I fully believe the above actions fail. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> I free-CFJ on the following: In the first Eastman week of April 2018, > > >> >> G. attempted to deregister every player that did not sent a message to > > >> >> a public forum in the preceding month. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> Caller's Arguments > > >> >> > > >> >> This is to see if my failed attempts have satisfied the requirements > > >> >> of > > >> >> R2139. Further arguments in this conversation: > > >> >> > > >> >>> >> On Mon, 2 Apr 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > >> >>> >> > On Sun, 1 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > >> >>> >> > > > >> >>> >> > > I object to every one of the below intents. > > >> >>> >> > > > >> >>> >> > I'm wondering what is needed for you to be considered to have > > >> >>> >> > fulfilled > > >> >>> >> > the > > >> >>> >> > monthly requirement and whether your objections violate it. > > >> >>> >> > > > >> >>> >> >In the first Eastman week of every month the Registrar > > >> >>> >> > SHALL > > >> >>> >> >attempt to deregister every player that has not sent a > > >> >>> >> > message to > > >> >>> >> >a public forum in the preceding month. > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> I've long-wondered how requirements to do something match with > > >> >>> >> methods > > >> >>> >> that > > >> >>> >> require support/objections or "attempts" to do something. > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> I've wondered for example what what happen if I just never > > >> >>> >> followed > > >> >>> >> through > > >> >>> >> on a posted intent for such a SHALL and let it time out, given > > >> >>> >> that other > > >> >>> >> supporters could complete it I could argue "I attempted but no > > >> >>> >> one carried > > >> >>> >> through." > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> Or maybe, since the requirement is literally to "attempt" to do > > >> >>> >> it, if I > > >> >>> >> purposefully misspecify a parameter so the intent turns out to be > > >> >>> >> invalid, > > >> >>> >> I've still"attempted" it so satisfied the requirement. > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> Or maybe, since a dependent action doesn't "happen" until the > > >> >>> >> intent is > > >> >>> >> resolved, maybe "attempt" means that I'm required to say "I > > >> >>> >> hereby do X > > >> >>> >> with > > >> >>> >> 3 Support" even if I DON'T have enough support, or never > > >> >>> >> announced intent. > > >> >>> >> That's a literal "attempt to do X with 3 support" that then > > >> >>> >> happens to > > >> >>> >> succeed or fail depending on whether intent was announced and got > > >> >>> >> support. > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> I don't know the answer to any of these. But I'm willing to bet > > >> >>> >> that IF > > >> >>> >> I correctly announce intent, and IF
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Referee] Weekly Report
Sigh. I deputize for the REFEREE to resolve the finger-pointing as indicated below. On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > >I deputize for the Registrar > > You'll have to do this again. > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 9:55 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > GUESS WHAT: It's worse than that. There *is* no Referee's weekly report! > > There's no place I can find that puts together "referee" and "Report". > > > > While the rules say the Referee is the "recordkeepor" for pledges, > > it doesn't say that it's part of a Report. R2143 says that if something is > > "part of a report" without saying each one, it's part of the weekly report. > > The same is true for Blots (R2555). No report defined. > > > > I don't think there's anything in the rules that says that merely saying > > "recordkeepor" means "part of report"? In fact, the only thing > > "recordkeepor" > > does that I can find is make that quantity restricted as per R2125, I can't > > find any requirement to publish the record - the requirement comes from > > explicitly saying something is part of a report. Of course this is a bug, > > it *should* be part of a report, but for the technicality of the recent > > deputization success this is important. Is this clear enough or is it > > CFJ-worthy do you think? > > > > > > SO TO CONVERGE THE GAMESTATE IF THE OFFICE IS VACANT: > > > > I deputize for the Registrar conclude the investigation into Aris's recent > > finger-pointing as follows: > > > > The facts are correct. Cold Hand of Justice Imposed: > > > > 2 Blots is the base penalty. I think a first offense of a missed report > > should start with the lowest penalty (lowest common infraction as a > > baseline). So I levy a fine of 1 blot on VJ Rada. > > > > This is forgivable, so does not take away salary for this month (no words > > specified for the apology). > > > > I'm not sure for future if the 2nd or 3rd missed report (14 or 21 days > > of "no work") would be the threshold for unforgivable for the purposes of > > losing a month's salary. > > > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > >> I point my finger at V.J. Rada for failing to publish the Notary's weekly > >> report. In general I agreee with G.'s two week rule, but in this case the > >> person responsible failed to publish the report after being elected to the > >> office. > >> > >> -Aris > > > > > > On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > >> Alert: As this report does not contain pledges, it is no report at > >> all. You are no referee but a mere IMPOSTOR > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 4:04 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > I deputize for the Referee to publish the following weekly report: > >> > > >> > > >> > Referee's Weekly Report > >> > > >> > > >> >No one has any Blots. No instances of blots currently exist. > >> > > >> > -end of report-- > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, 8 Apr 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote: > >> > > >> >> I resign Referee. Gnomic is starting to get inertia with its initial > >> >> culture and history and I'd like to help it out (it's also why I've been > >> >> away lately, sorry). > >> >> > >> >> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Kerim Aydin > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > As I mentioned several days ago, I plan in future to point fingers at > >> >> > officers who miss two successive weekly reports. Just to set a good > >> >> > standard going forward! (Others may still enforce a tougher standard > >> >> > if they wish, of course). > >> >> > > >> >> > When this week ends in ~28 hours, officers who would be blotted would > >> >> > be Corona (Herald's weekly) and CuddleBeam (Referee's weekly). > >> >> > > >> >> > (If I missed a report my apologies, I'll double-check before > >> >> > blotting). > >> >> > > >> >> > -G. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> From V.J. Rada > >> > > > > > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Monthly deregistration intents and zombifications
Fair enough. (I think the proto is important in this case though - a CFJ should stop the 14-day clock on punishment). Given that there has been no time in the recent past that I had sufficient support to do the job in question within the time limit, my initial attempt that failed was as good as any other attempt would have been. I find Shenanigans. On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > That's not needed. The rules say punishment CAN only be imposed if a > rule is broken so the Ref can simply impose punishment and then if the > CFJ rules otherwise, the punishment never happened in the first place. > Or not, if he so chooses. The Ref is entitled to rule finger-pointing > as Shenanigans even when it is not Shenanigans if e believes sincerely > there is no breach. > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 9:33 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > There is a CFJ pending as to whether this is shenanigans or not. > > > > Proto: Add to the finger-pointing rule, a third option for the > > referee: Impose justice, declare shenanigans, OR CFJ/point to an > > existing CFJ. > > > > On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > >> I point my finger at G. for failing to attempt to deregister each > >> inactive player. I suppose that because this isn't officially related > >> to the duties of the Referee, G must judge himself. > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Aris Merchant > >> wrote: > >> > I intend, without 3 objections, to assign this CFJ to myself. > >> > > >> > -Aris > >> > > >> > On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 11:47 PM, Kerim Aydin > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> [No coin needed, was planning to anyway. Here's a CFJ!] > >> >> > >> >> I deregister every one of the following players with 3 Agoran consent: > >> >> - Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > >> >> - 天火狐 > >> >> - Telnaior > >> >> - omd (zombie) > >> >> - o (zombie) > >> >> - nichdel (zombie) > >> >> - pokes (zombie) > >> >> As the waiting period for Agoran consent has not passed following any > >> >> announcement of intent, I fully believe the above actions fail. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I free-CFJ on the following: In the first Eastman week of April 2018, > >> >> G. attempted to deregister every player that did not sent a message to > >> >> a public forum in the preceding month. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Caller's Arguments > >> >> > >> >> This is to see if my failed attempts have satisfied the requirements of > >> >> R2139. Further arguments in this conversation: > >> >> > >> >>> >> On Mon, 2 Apr 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > >> >>> >> > On Sun, 1 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > I object to every one of the below intents. > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > I'm wondering what is needed for you to be considered to have > >> >>> >> > fulfilled > >> >>> >> > the > >> >>> >> > monthly requirement and whether your objections violate it. > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> >In the first Eastman week of every month the Registrar > >> >>> >> > SHALL > >> >>> >> >attempt to deregister every player that has not sent a > >> >>> >> > message to > >> >>> >> >a public forum in the preceding month. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> I've long-wondered how requirements to do something match with > >> >>> >> methods > >> >>> >> that > >> >>> >> require support/objections or "attempts" to do something. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> I've wondered for example what what happen if I just never followed > >> >>> >> through > >> >>> >> on a posted intent for such a SHALL and let it time out, given that > >> >>> >> other > >> >>> >> supporters could complete it I could argue "I attempted but no one > >> >>> >> carried > >> >>> >> through." > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Or maybe, since the requirement is literally to "attempt" to do it, > >> >>> >> if I > >> >>> >> purposefully misspecify a parameter so the intent turns out to be > >> >>> >> invalid, > >> >>> >> I've still"attempted" it so satisfied the requirement. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Or maybe, since a dependent action doesn't "happen" until the > >> >>> >> intent is > >> >>> >> resolved, maybe "attempt" means that I'm required to say "I hereby > >> >>> >> do X > >> >>> >> with > >> >>> >> 3 Support" even if I DON'T have enough support, or never announced > >> >>> >> intent. > >> >>> >> That's a literal "attempt to do X with 3 support" that then happens > >> >>> >> to > >> >>> >> succeed or fail depending on whether intent was announced and got > >> >>> >> support. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> I don't know the answer to any of these. But I'm willing to bet > >> >>> >> that IF > >> >>> >> I correctly announce intent, and IF I fully intend to carry out the > >> >>> >> intent > >> >>> >> if it gets the right support (though this can't be proven), then a > >> >>> >> CFJ > >> >>> >> would hold that I made "a good faith attempt" to do my official > >> >>> >> duty even > >> >>> >> if I objected to it personally. Maybe the judge would even set a new > >> >>> >> precedent distinguishing "clearly private actions"
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Referee] Weekly Report
GUESS WHAT: It's worse than that. There *is* no Referee's weekly report! There's no place I can find that puts together "referee" and "Report". While the rules say the Referee is the "recordkeepor" for pledges, it doesn't say that it's part of a Report. R2143 says that if something is "part of a report" without saying each one, it's part of the weekly report. The same is true for Blots (R2555). No report defined. I don't think there's anything in the rules that says that merely saying "recordkeepor" means "part of report"? In fact, the only thing "recordkeepor" does that I can find is make that quantity restricted as per R2125, I can't find any requirement to publish the record - the requirement comes from explicitly saying something is part of a report. Of course this is a bug, it *should* be part of a report, but for the technicality of the recent deputization success this is important. Is this clear enough or is it CFJ-worthy do you think? SO TO CONVERGE THE GAMESTATE IF THE OFFICE IS VACANT: I deputize for the Registrar conclude the investigation into Aris's recent finger-pointing as follows: The facts are correct. Cold Hand of Justice Imposed: 2 Blots is the base penalty. I think a first offense of a missed report should start with the lowest penalty (lowest common infraction as a baseline). So I levy a fine of 1 blot on VJ Rada. This is forgivable, so does not take away salary for this month (no words specified for the apology). I'm not sure for future if the 2nd or 3rd missed report (14 or 21 days of "no work") would be the threshold for unforgivable for the purposes of losing a month's salary. On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > I point my finger at V.J. Rada for failing to publish the Notary's weekly > report. In general I agreee with G.'s two week rule, but in this case the > person responsible failed to publish the report after being elected to the > office. > > -Aris On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > Alert: As this report does not contain pledges, it is no report at > all. You are no referee but a mere IMPOSTOR > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 4:04 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > I deputize for the Referee to publish the following weekly report: > > > > > > Referee's Weekly Report > > > > > >No one has any Blots. No instances of blots currently exist. > > > > -end of report-- > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 8 Apr 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > > >> I resign Referee. Gnomic is starting to get inertia with its initial > >> culture and history and I'd like to help it out (it's also why I've been > >> away lately, sorry). > >> > >> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > As I mentioned several days ago, I plan in future to point fingers at > >> > officers who miss two successive weekly reports. Just to set a good > >> > standard going forward! (Others may still enforce a tougher standard > >> > if they wish, of course). > >> > > >> > When this week ends in ~28 hours, officers who would be blotted would > >> > be Corona (Herald's weekly) and CuddleBeam (Referee's weekly). > >> > > >> > (If I missed a report my apologies, I'll double-check before blotting). > >> > > >> > -G. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada >
BUS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Referee] Weekly Report
Alert: As this report does not contain pledges, it is no report at all. You are no referee but a mere IMPOSTOR On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 4:04 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I deputize for the Referee to publish the following weekly report: > > > Referee's Weekly Report > > >No one has any Blots. No instances of blots currently exist. > > -end of report-- > > > > > On Sun, 8 Apr 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote: > >> I resign Referee. Gnomic is starting to get inertia with its initial >> culture and history and I'd like to help it out (it's also why I've been >> away lately, sorry). >> >> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > As I mentioned several days ago, I plan in future to point fingers at >> > officers who miss two successive weekly reports. Just to set a good >> > standard going forward! (Others may still enforce a tougher standard >> > if they wish, of course). >> > >> > When this week ends in ~28 hours, officers who would be blotted would >> > be Corona (Herald's weekly) and CuddleBeam (Referee's weekly). >> > >> > (If I missed a report my apologies, I'll double-check before blotting). >> > >> > -G. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >From V.J. Rada
BUS: Contract Creation
I create the following contract and transfer to it all of my assets. I also have PSS join this contract, acting on eir behalf. This contract appears to be a scam, having PSS join it is therefore scary to the game, therefore I switch PSS's Owes a Scare Switch to FALSE. Is anyone keeping track of Owes a Scare Switches? Title: Hi! Text: Nobody can join this contract except V.J. Rada and Publius Scribonius Scholasticus. Whenever V.J. Rada provides an action for this contract to take via agora-discussion, this contract takes that action. Whenever V.J. Rada provides a dispersal of assets from this contract via agora-discussion, this contract disperses those assets in the specified way. Whenever V.J. Rada provides a new text for this contract via agora-discussion, this contract amends itself to have the specified text. This contract can own any and all assets. -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] The Map of Arcadia -- April 11, 2018
If the mine at (-1,-1) is nonempty: {
I transfer 3 apples to Quazie
I act on behalf of Quazie to:
-destroy 2 apples in eir (Quazie's) possession to move em to (0,-1)
-destroy 1 apple in eir possession to move em to (-1,-1)
-transfer all assets from the mine at (-1,-1) to em, and then transfer the
same assets to me
}
If the orchard at (-1,+1) is nonempty: {
I destroy 1 apple in to move myself to (0,+1), then destroy 1 apple to move
myself to (-1,+1).
I transfer all assets from the orchard at (-1,+1) to myself.
}
~Corona
On Wednesday, April 11, 2018, Reuben Staley wrote:
> I destroy 1 apple to move to (+1, +1). I transfer that mine's assets to me.
>
> I destroy 1 corn to move to (0, +1), then to (0, 0), then to (0, -1).
>
> I destroy 1 apple to move to (0, -2).
>
> I destroy 4 stone and 3 lumber to build a farm on (0, -2).
>
> I destroy 3 coins, 1 lumber, and 1 stone to increase the Farm to Rank 2.
>
> I'm really glad this subgame exists :)
>
> On 04/11/2018 12:22 AM, Reuben Staley wrote:
> > THE MAP OF ARCADIA -- APRIL 2, 2018
> > View an interactive version of this report here:
> > https://agoranomic.org/Cartographor/maps/map-2018-04-11.html
> >
> >
> >
> > LAND TYPE MAP
> >
> >
> > LONGITUDE
> >
> > - 6543210123456 +
> > - -
> > 6 * 6
> > 5 * 5aether (*)
> > 4 * 4(b)lack
> > L 3 * 3(w)hite
> > A 2 * 2
> > T 1 wwwbb 1
> > I 0 wwbbb 0
> > T 1 wwbbbw*** 1
> > U 2 **bwb 2
> > D 3 * 3
> > E 4 * 4
> > 5 * 5
> > 6 * 6
> > + +
> > - 6543210123456 +
> >
> >
> >
> > OWNERSHIP MAP
> >
> >
> > LONGITUDE
> >
> > - 6543210123456 +
> > - -
> > 6 * 6
> > 5 * 5Agora, Aether (*)
> > 4 * 4Agora, Non-Aether (.)
> > L 3 * 3(G)aelan
> > A 2 * 2(K)enyon
> > T 1 G...K 1(T)rigon
> > I 0 T...C 0(C)orona
> > T 1 C.*** 1
> > U 2 **... 2
> > D 3 * 3
> > E 4 * 4
> > 5 * 5
> > 6 * 6
> > + +
> > - 6543210123456 +
> >
> >
> >
> > PRESERVATION MAP
> >
> >
> > LONGITUDE
> >
> > - 6543210123456 +
> > - -
> > 6 f 6
> > 5 f 5(t)rue
> > 4 f 4(f)alse
> > L 3 f 3
> > A 2 f 2
> > T 1 ftttf 1
> > I 0 ftttf 0
> > T 1 ftttf 1
> > U 2 f 2
> > D 3 f 3
> > E 4 f 4
> > 5 f 5
> > 6 f 6
> > + +
> > - 6543210123456 +
> >
> >
> >
> > FACILITIES
> >
> >
> > (-1, -1): Preserved Rank 1 Mine, owned by Agora
> >Assets: 3 stones, 2 ore
> > (-1, +1): Preserved Rank 1 Orchard, owned by Agora
> >Assets: 3 apples, 3 lumber
> > (+1, -1): Preserved Rank 1 Farm, owned by Agora
> >Assets: 3 corn, 3 cotton
> > (+1, +1): Preserved Rank 1 Mine, owned by Agora
> >Assets: 3 stones, 2 ore
> >
> >
> >
> > LOCATIONS OF ENTITIES
> >
> >
> > Player Last report This Report
> > ---
> > omd ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0)
> > o( 0, 0) ( 0, 0)
> > Aris (-1, -1) (-1, -1)
> > DFF[1] ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0)
> > Quazie ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0)
> > P.S.S.[2]( 0, 0) (-1, -1)
> > Gaelan ( 0, 0) (-1, -1)
> > nichdel ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0)
> > G. ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0)
> > Cuddlebeam (-1, -1) (-1, -1)
> > Trigon ( 0, 0) (+1, +2)
> > Telnaior ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0)
> > Corona ( 0, 0) (+1, +1)
> > pokes( 0, 0) ( 0, 0)
> > Murphy ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0)
> > VJ Rada ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0)
> > Kenyon (-1, +1) (-1, +1)
> > ATMunn (-1, +1) (-1, +1)
> > Ouri ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0)
> >
> > [1]: In Full, 天火狐
> > [2]: In Full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >
> >
> >
> > ALTERNATING LAND TYPE
> >
> >
> > The alternating land type has been switched 4 times.
> > The current value is Black.
> >
> >
> >
> > CHANGES IN LAND TYPE AND OWNERSHIP
> >
> >
> > D
BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] The Map of Arcadia -- April 11, 2018
I destroy 1 apple to move to (+1, +1). I transfer that mine's assets to me. I destroy 1 corn to move to (0, +1), then to (0, 0), then to (0, -1). I destroy 1 apple to move to (0, -2). I destroy 4 stone and 3 lumber to build a farm on (0, -2). I destroy 3 coins, 1 lumber, and 1 stone to increase the Farm to Rank 2. I'm really glad this subgame exists :) On 04/11/2018 12:22 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: > THE MAP OF ARCADIA -- APRIL 2, 2018 > View an interactive version of this report here: > https://agoranomic.org/Cartographor/maps/map-2018-04-11.html > > > > LAND TYPE MAP > > > LONGITUDE > > - 6543210123456 + > - - > 6 * 6 > 5 * 5aether (*) > 4 * 4(b)lack > L 3 * 3(w)hite > A 2 * 2 > T 1 wwwbb 1 > I 0 wwbbb 0 > T 1 wwbbbw*** 1 > U 2 **bwb 2 > D 3 * 3 > E 4 * 4 > 5 * 5 > 6 * 6 > + + > - 6543210123456 + > > > > OWNERSHIP MAP > > > LONGITUDE > > - 6543210123456 + > - - > 6 * 6 > 5 * 5Agora, Aether (*) > 4 * 4Agora, Non-Aether (.) > L 3 * 3(G)aelan > A 2 * 2(K)enyon > T 1 G...K 1(T)rigon > I 0 T...C 0(C)orona > T 1 C.*** 1 > U 2 **... 2 > D 3 * 3 > E 4 * 4 > 5 * 5 > 6 * 6 > + + > - 6543210123456 + > > > > PRESERVATION MAP > > > LONGITUDE > > - 6543210123456 + > - - > 6 f 6 > 5 f 5(t)rue > 4 f 4(f)alse > L 3 f 3 > A 2 f 2 > T 1 ftttf 1 > I 0 ftttf 0 > T 1 ftttf 1 > U 2 f 2 > D 3 f 3 > E 4 f 4 > 5 f 5 > 6 f 6 > + + > - 6543210123456 + > > > > FACILITIES > > > (-1, -1): Preserved Rank 1 Mine, owned by Agora >Assets: 3 stones, 2 ore > (-1, +1): Preserved Rank 1 Orchard, owned by Agora >Assets: 3 apples, 3 lumber > (+1, -1): Preserved Rank 1 Farm, owned by Agora >Assets: 3 corn, 3 cotton > (+1, +1): Preserved Rank 1 Mine, owned by Agora >Assets: 3 stones, 2 ore > > > > LOCATIONS OF ENTITIES > > > Player Last report This Report > --- > omd ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) > o( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) > Aris (-1, -1) (-1, -1) > DFF[1] ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) > Quazie ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) > P.S.S.[2]( 0, 0) (-1, -1) > Gaelan ( 0, 0) (-1, -1) > nichdel ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) > G. ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) > Cuddlebeam (-1, -1) (-1, -1) > Trigon ( 0, 0) (+1, +2) > Telnaior ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) > Corona ( 0, 0) (+1, +1) > pokes( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) > Murphy ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) > VJ Rada ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) > Kenyon (-1, +1) (-1, +1) > ATMunn (-1, +1) (-1, +1) > Ouri ( 0, 0) ( 0, 0) > > [1]: In Full, 天火狐 > [2]: In Full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > > > > ALTERNATING LAND TYPE > > > The alternating land type has been switched 4 times. > The current value is Black. > > > > CHANGES IN LAND TYPE AND OWNERSHIP > > > Date Unit FromTo > --- > 2018-04-09 (-1, +2) Agora Kenyon > 2018-04-09 ( 0, -2) Agora Trigon > 2018-04-09 (+1, -2) Agora Corona > 2018-04-09 ( 0, +2) Agora Corona > 2018-04-10 (-1, -2) Agora Gaelan >
