Re: BUS: Update in Tailor election

[Edward Murphy]

G. wrote:


I act on behalf of omd: omd votes for ATMunn.
I act on behalf of o: o votes for ATMunn.

On Mon, 7 May 2018, Edward Murphy wrote:

Tailor votes so far: V.J. Rada, ATMunn, G., Trigon, and Aris have all
voted for ATMunn.

I'm confused by CFJ 3634, which claims that:
* The most recent resolved proposal (8041) listed 9 voters
* However, V.J. Rada attempted to have PSS vote
* Thus, quorum should be 10-2=8
What confuses me is that PSS /was/ one of the 9 voters listed. So I
think maybe this was a mis-read, and quorum at that time (and also
for this election) was actually 7.

Either way, the voting period is extended by a week, and this is a
humiliating public reminder that the following players have not yet
voted on it: Gaelan, Cuddle Beam, Corona, myself, Kenyon, Ouri, plus
all eight zombies (omd, o, Quazie, PSS, nichdel, pokes, 天火狐, and
Telnaior).

I vote for ATMunn in this election. So that's 6 out of (7? 8?), now.


I resolve this election: ATMunn is elected Tailor.

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for May week 1

[Corona]

I bid 9 coins in the ongoing land auction.
​I act on behalf of Quazie to bid 9 coins in​ the ongoing land auction. I
transfer 9 coins to Quazie.

~Corona

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> I bid 8 coins in the ongoing land auction.
> I act on behalf of o:  o bids 8 coins in the ongoing land auction.
> I act on behalf of omd:  omd bids 8 coins in the ongoing land auction.
>
> I transfer 8 coins to o.
> I transfer 8 coins to omd.
>
> On Sat, 5 May 2018, ATMunn wrote:
> > I bid 10 coins in the ongoing land auction.
> >
> > On 5/5/2018 3:12 AM, Corona wrote:
> > > ​I bid 4 and I act on behalf of Quazie to bid 4 in the ongoing land
> > > auction.​
> > >
> > > ~Corona
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 9:09 AM, Reuben Staley  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Attempt 2, here we go!
> > > >
> > > > There are currently 9 public, unpreserved, non-aether land units in
> > > > existence. I am to choose 5 of them to be auctioned off. For the
> sake of
> > > > convenience, I choose the first five new land units.
> > > >
> > > > For the following auction, I am the announcer, Agora is the
> auctioneer,
> > > > and the minimum bid is 1 coin, and the lots are as follows:
> > > >
> > > > LOT 1: the land unit at (+3,  0)
> > > > LOT 2: the land unit at (+2, -1)
> > > > LOT 3: the land unit at (+2, -2)
> > > > LOT 4: the land unit at (+1, -3)
> > > > LOT 5: the land unit at (+4,  0)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Trigon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 05/05/2018 12:12 AM, Reuben Staley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Forever shall May 4th, 2018 be considered a turning point for the
> Land
> > > > > of
> > > > > Arcadia. Now there are many land units to auction of, so let's do
> so.
> > > > >
> > > > > (ATTN Assessor: the voting period for 8042-8045 is over. If you
> could
> > > > > please assess them soon, that'd be great. One auction is
> significantly
> > > > > less interesting. Also, I really want to have Q*Bert in the game
> soon.)
> > > > >
> > > > > There are currently 9 public, unpreserved, non-aether land units in
> > > > > existence. I am to choose 5 of them to be auctioned off. For the
> sake of
> > > > > convenience, I choose the first five new land units.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the following auction, I am the announcer, Agora is the
> auctioneer,
> > > > > and the minimum bid is 1 coin, and the lots are as follows:
> > > > >
> > > > > LOT 1: The lot is the white land unit at (+3,  0)
> > > > > LOT 2: The lot is the white land unit at (+2, -1)
> > > > > LOT 3: The lot is the white land unit at (+2, -2)
> > > > > LOT 4: The lot is the black land unit at (+1, -3)
> > > > > LOT 5: The lot is the black land unit at (+4,  0)
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Trigon
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Trigon
> > > >
> >
>

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] May Zombie Auction

[Corona]

I bid 2 coins in the zombie auction.

~Corona

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 3:14 PM, ATMunn  wrote:

> I bid 1 coin.
>
> On 5/8/2018 8:50 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I initiate a zombie auction with the following lots. The ITEMS in each
>> lot is to have that player's master switch set to the auction winner.
>> The AUCTIONEER is Agora. The ANNOUNCER is myself (as Registrar).  The
>> MINIMUM BID/CURRENCY is 1 Coin.  The auction ends 7 days after this
>> announcement, or 96 hours after the last bid change (whichever comes
>> first).
>>
>> * LOTS (from highest to lowest winning bid):
>>Telnaior, 天火狐
>>
>>
>>

BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] May Zombie Auction

[ATMunn]

I bid 1 coin.

On 5/8/2018 8:50 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:



I initiate a zombie auction with the following lots. The ITEMS in each
lot is to have that player's master switch set to the auction winner.
The AUCTIONEER is Agora. The ANNOUNCER is myself (as Registrar).  The
MINIMUM BID/CURRENCY is 1 Coin.  The auction ends 7 days after this
announcement, or 96 hours after the last bid change (whichever comes
first).

* LOTS (from highest to lowest winning bid):
   Telnaior, 天火狐

BUS: CFJ 3636 redux

[Kerim Aydin]

> On Sun, 29 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote:
> > I call a CFJ with the statement "If an Agoran Decision were now
> > initiated, the quorum would be 8".

I self-file a Motion to Reconsider the above case (CFJ 3636).

I deliver the following judgement on it:

According to R2466, for A to act on behalf of B to do C, the pieces of 
information needed are the identities of A and B, a clear statement of the 
action C, and a clear statement of the relationship of A and B (i.e. that
A is acting on behalf of B). Any reasonably clear grammatical construction 
that specifies all these elements should work.

In context,  "I also have PSS vote as I do" (where the votes in question
were also in the message) does the trick.  I was concerned initially that 
"I have PSS" doesn't get enough of the sense of acting-on-behalf.  This
might be true if the acting permission came from an obscure contract that
no one remembered very well.  But in recent game context, the zombie-master 
relationship is sufficiently clear.

The voters on the proposal that determined quorum at the time of the CFJ
(Proposal 8041) were thus:
   Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon, G., PSS
With 9 voters, quorum was 7.  I judge FALSE.


Caller's Arguments:
> > The official Assessment recently published listed 9 voters on the most
> > recent proposal, which would make the quorum 7. However, I contended
> > that I used PSS to vote FOR that proposal. The language I used was "I
> > also have PSS vote as I do".The question is whether that language runs
> > afoul of rule 2466 which institutes a "requirement that the agent
> > must, in the message in which the action is performed, uniquely
> > identify the principal and that the action is being taken on behalf of
> > that person.
> > 
> > -- 
> > From V.J. Rada
> >

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8046-8048

[Kerim Aydin]

> 8046*  ATMunn 2.0  no more zombies   ATMunn
I vote AGAINST.  I act on behalf of o to vote AGAINST.

> 8047*  G., Aris   3.0  Basic NerfG.
I vote FOR.  I act on behalf of o to vote FOR.

> 8048*  Aris, Trigon   2.0  Crystals v2   Aris
I vote AGAINST.  I act on behalf of o to vote AGAINST.

I think Crystals v2 is broken, because we still require that the
Auctioneer CAN give away the auction item in order to begin the 
auction, even if that isn't relevant to ending the auction (R2459).
The fact that the Auctioneer "CAN do anything" (see proposal 8040) 
doesn't apply when the Auctioneer isn't actually creating the
crystal at the end of the auction.

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for May week 1

[Kerim Aydin]

I bid 8 coins in the ongoing land auction.
I act on behalf of o:  o bids 8 coins in the ongoing land auction.
I act on behalf of omd:  omd bids 8 coins in the ongoing land auction.

I transfer 8 coins to o.  
I transfer 8 coins to omd.

On Sat, 5 May 2018, ATMunn wrote:
> I bid 10 coins in the ongoing land auction.
> 
> On 5/5/2018 3:12 AM, Corona wrote:
> > ​I bid 4 and I act on behalf of Quazie to bid 4 in the ongoing land
> > auction.​
> > 
> > ~Corona
> > 
> > On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 9:09 AM, Reuben Staley 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Attempt 2, here we go!
> > > 
> > > There are currently 9 public, unpreserved, non-aether land units in
> > > existence. I am to choose 5 of them to be auctioned off. For the sake of
> > > convenience, I choose the first five new land units.
> > > 
> > > For the following auction, I am the announcer, Agora is the auctioneer,
> > > and the minimum bid is 1 coin, and the lots are as follows:
> > > 
> > > LOT 1: the land unit at (+3,  0)
> > > LOT 2: the land unit at (+2, -1)
> > > LOT 3: the land unit at (+2, -2)
> > > LOT 4: the land unit at (+1, -3)
> > > LOT 5: the land unit at (+4,  0)
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Trigon
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 05/05/2018 12:12 AM, Reuben Staley wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Forever shall May 4th, 2018 be considered a turning point for the Land
> > > > of
> > > > Arcadia. Now there are many land units to auction of, so let's do so.
> > > > 
> > > > (ATTN Assessor: the voting period for 8042-8045 is over. If you could
> > > > please assess them soon, that'd be great. One auction is significantly
> > > > less interesting. Also, I really want to have Q*Bert in the game soon.)
> > > > 
> > > > There are currently 9 public, unpreserved, non-aether land units in
> > > > existence. I am to choose 5 of them to be auctioned off. For the sake of
> > > > convenience, I choose the first five new land units.
> > > > 
> > > > For the following auction, I am the announcer, Agora is the auctioneer,
> > > > and the minimum bid is 1 coin, and the lots are as follows:
> > > > 
> > > > LOT 1: The lot is the white land unit at (+3,  0)
> > > > LOT 2: The lot is the white land unit at (+2, -1)
> > > > LOT 3: The lot is the white land unit at (+2, -2)
> > > > LOT 4: The lot is the black land unit at (+1, -3)
> > > > LOT 5: The lot is the black land unit at (+4,  0)
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Trigon
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Trigon
> > > 
>

Re: BUS: Update in Tailor election

[Kerim Aydin]

I act on behalf of omd: omd votes for ATMunn.
I act on behalf of o: o votes for ATMunn.

On Mon, 7 May 2018, Edward Murphy wrote:
> Tailor votes so far: V.J. Rada, ATMunn, G., Trigon, and Aris have all
> voted for ATMunn.
> 
> I'm confused by CFJ 3634, which claims that:
> * The most recent resolved proposal (8041) listed 9 voters
> * However, V.J. Rada attempted to have PSS vote
> * Thus, quorum should be 10-2=8
> What confuses me is that PSS /was/ one of the 9 voters listed. So I
> think maybe this was a mis-read, and quorum at that time (and also
> for this election) was actually 7.
> 
> Either way, the voting period is extended by a week, and this is a
> humiliating public reminder that the following players have not yet
> voted on it: Gaelan, Cuddle Beam, Corona, myself, Kenyon, Ouri, plus
> all eight zombies (omd, o, Quazie, PSS, nichdel, pokes, 天火狐, and
> Telnaior).
> 
> I vote for ATMunn in this election. So that's 6 out of (7? 8?), now.
> 
>

BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

[Ned Strange]

Put me down to judge. Obviously is a shortage of them (not to mention
players)

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Edward Murphy  wrote:

> COURT GAZETTE (Arbitor's weekly report for 7 May 2018)
>
> Disclaimer: Informational only. No actions are contained in this report.
> Information in this report is not self-ratifying.
>
>
> Open cases (CFJs)
> -
> (none)
>
> (30 Apr 2018: V.J. Rada called a case, then withdrew it, implicitly
> identifying it by similarity to 3637)
>
> Highest numbered case: 3637
>
>
> Recently-delivered verdicts and implications
> 
> 3634 called 19 Apr 2018 by Aris, judged TRUE 30 Apr 2018 by V.J.
> Rada: Zombie owners can act on behalf of their zombies (at least to
> make them perform legal actions).
>
> 3635 called 19 Apr 2018 by Aris, judged FALSE 30 Apr 2018 by V.J.
> Rada: Zombie owners can't break the rules by making their zombies
> perform illegal actions, because such attempts are simply ineffective
> instead. No comment on whether the specific zombie action in question
> would be legal.
>
> 3637 called 30 Apr 2018 by G., judged FALSE 30 Apr 2018 by G. (assigned
> via Certiorari): "You can do X by paying Y" (without specifying a
> recipient) can't be done by paying anyone, because Rule 2166 (Assets)
> says that balance changes without a specified source/destination
> cause creation/destruction instead.
>
> 3636 called 29 Apr 2018 by V.J. Rada, judged TRUE 4 May 2018 by G.: "I
> vote _, I also have my zombie vote as I do" is reasonably clear.
>
>
> Day Court Judge Recent
> --
> Corona  3627, 3628
>[02/14 02/14]
> Murphy  3626, 3627, 3628
>[03/01 03/01 03/01]
> G.  3631, 3637, 3636
>[04/20 04/30 05/04]
> Gaelan  
>
> Weekend Court Judge Recent (generally gets half as many cases)
> --
> ATMunn  3633
>[04/29]
>
> (These are informal designations. Requests to join/leave a given court
> will be noted. Individual requests to be assigned a specific case will
> generally be honored, even for non-court judges.)
>
>


-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Update in Tailor election

[Edward Murphy]

Tailor votes so far: V.J. Rada, ATMunn, G., Trigon, and Aris have all
voted for ATMunn.

I'm confused by CFJ 3634, which claims that:
* The most recent resolved proposal (8041) listed 9 voters
* However, V.J. Rada attempted to have PSS vote
* Thus, quorum should be 10-2=8
What confuses me is that PSS /was/ one of the 9 voters listed. So I
think maybe this was a mis-read, and quorum at that time (and also
for this election) was actually 7.

Either way, the voting period is extended by a week, and this is a
humiliating public reminder that the following players have not yet
voted on it: Gaelan, Cuddle Beam, Corona, myself, Kenyon, Ouri, plus
all eight zombies (omd, o, Quazie, PSS, nichdel, pokes, 天火狐, and
Telnaior).

I vote for ATMunn in this election. So that's 6 out of (7? 8?), now.

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8046-8048

[Ned Strange]

I change my vote and act on PSS's behalf (as my zombie) to change eir vote
on Crystals v2 to AGAINST.

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Edward Murphy  wrote:

> 8046*  ATMunn 2.0  no more zombies   ATMunn
>>
> AGAINST
>
>> 8047*  G., Aris   3.0  Basic NerfG.
>>
> PRESENT
>
>> 8048*  Aris, Trigon   2.0  Crystals v2   Aris
>>
> PRESENT
>
>


-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8046-8048

[Edward Murphy]

8046*  ATMunn 2.0  no more zombies   ATMunn

AGAINST

8047*  G., Aris   3.0  Basic NerfG.

PRESENT

8048*  Aris, Trigon   2.0  Crystals v2   Aris

PRESENT

BUS: Re: BAK: Did Agora die?

[Edward Murphy]

Corona wrote:


I intend to declare victory by apathy.


I object.