Re: BUS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3828 Assigned to G.
Dead-horse arguments on CFJ 3828: Respectfully, I think the Honorable G. has read too much into Rule 2518 "Determinacy". I think that that rule is merely a definition of the words "determinate" and "indeterminate" and has no intentional consequences besides that. In particular, nowhere does Rule 2518 say or imply that if a value is indeterminate, then we are relieved of any duty to attempt to determine it. Furthermore, Rule 217 "Interpreting the Rules" says that in case of ambiguity, the text of the rules "is to be" augmented by four factors. The use of the phrase "is to be" suggests that such augmentation is mandatory; we are expected not to simply give up on attempting to answer a question merely because the answer is not clear from reading the rules. Of course, Rule 217 is clearly not saying that every player at all times has a responsibility to attempt to resolve every open question. But surely a judge *does* have a responsibility to attempt to resolve the question which e has been called to judge. The rules certainly do anticipate that a value may be wholly and thoroughly impossible to determine; otherwise the judgement of PARADOXICAL would not exist. But, all the same, I think that before assigning a judgement of PARADOXICAL, a judge is responsible for explaining why all four of the factors listed on Rule 217 fail to resolve the indeterminacy. In any case, I thank G. for eir judgement. —Warrigal
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I won the game btw
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:07 PM Rebecca wrote:
> I CFJ:
> { CFJ 3828, which had the following statement, “A recent rule named "A
> coin award" was enacted, increased
> the number of coins R. Lee owns by 1, and then repealed itself.” was a
> "CFJ about the legality or possibility of a game
> action” under rule 2553, such that if a judgement of PARADOXICAL was
> assigned to it for seven days, the caller of the CFJ would win the game}
>
> I don't think anything is INSUFFICIENT here, so I'm not going to provide
> much argument/evidence. A good argument was made by G., below. And the CFJ
> statement and rule quote is given here so you don't need to go looking (I'm
> not CFJing whether a judgement of PARADOXICAL was in fact assigned, so no
> need to look for that either)
>
Sorry, I retract this CFJ and replace it with the following.
{ CFJ 3828, which had the following statement, “A recent rule named "A
coin award" was enacted, increased
the number of coins R. Lee owns by 1, and then repealed itself.” was a "CFJ
about the legality or possibility of a game
action” under rule 2553, such that if a judgement of PARADOXICAL was
assigned to it for seven days, the caller of the CFJ would be eligible to
win the game by announcement under rule 2553}
I adopt G's argument as to this CFJ which I include below (the rest of
these words are eirs not mine)
The CFJ statement began 'A recent rule named "A coin award" was
enacted...' which is a passively voiced action (active voice would have
been "Proposal XXX enacted a Rule...") . I think it's come up a couple
times recently in CFJs, that mere use of the passive voice doesn't change
the fact that there's an action with an actor?
Further, parsing the statement a bit gives 'A recent rule ... increased
the number of coins' which is definitely asking whether a rule succeeded
in the action of coin-creation (a Rule creating a coin is definitely an
action, right?) So is a past tense "did X do Y?" close enough to "it was
POSSIBLE for X to do Y at the time it is purported to have happened?" I'd
personally say yes because forcing the statement writing around
possibility is a mess compared to the straightforward "did X happen".
Re: BUS: I won the game btw
I win the game by having a judgement of PARADOXICAL assigned to a CFJ I called for over 7 days On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 10:56 AM Reuben Staley via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/5/20 6:42 PM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > > G's judgement of PARADOXICAL on a CFJ I called has been in place for ten > > days, accordingly make me speaker/champ thanks > > You "CAN, by announcement, win the game" as per R2553/0 ¶1. And once you > are Champion, then the Prime Minister "CAN once appoint [you] to the > office of Speaker by announcement" per Rule 103/22 ¶1. I would say that > you are not currently Champion or Speaker, though you CAN become > Champion now if you desire to do so. > > -- > Trigon, Speaker of Agora (I think, but I'm still not 100% sure about my > status) > -- >From R. Lee
BUS: I won the game btw
G's judgement of PARADOXICAL on a CFJ I called has been in place for ten days, accordingly make me speaker/champ thanks -- >From R. Lee
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [deputy][Herald] Weekly Report: Honour Roll
For maximum clarity, I award myself a Transparent ribbon, if I have not already done so. On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 4:40 PM Reuben Staley wrote: > > Alright, if anyone had any qualms about my actions they'd be out by now. > > I earn a Transparent Ribbon: > - I awarded myself Emerald, Platinum, and Ultraviolet ribbons on the > first of May[1]. > - I awarded myself Cyan in the quoted message. > - I qualify for a White Ribbon as I have never before owned a White Ribbon. > > This brings the amount of ribbons I "[have qualified] for, [have > earned], and/or [have been] awarded within the previous 7 days" to 5. > > [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg36169.html > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 12:18 AM Reuben Staley via agora-business > wrote: > > I award myself a cyan ribbon for deputising for Herald. > > -- > Trigon -- Trigon
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [deputy][Herald] Weekly Report: Honour Roll
Alright, if anyone had any qualms about my actions they'd be out by now. I earn a Transparent Ribbon: - I awarded myself Emerald, Platinum, and Ultraviolet ribbons on the first of May[1]. - I awarded myself Cyan in the quoted message. - I qualify for a White Ribbon as I have never before owned a White Ribbon. This brings the amount of ribbons I "[have qualified] for, [have earned], and/or [have been] awarded within the previous 7 days" to 5. [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg36169.html On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 12:18 AM Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: > I award myself a cyan ribbon for deputising for Herald. -- Trigon
BUS: Notice of Honor
This is a notice of honor. +1 G (furnished ample research material) -1 D Margaux (rolled a d20, got a 9, chose 9th name on most recent Registrar's report) --- Nch
BUS: Re: OFF: [deputy][Herald] Weekly Report: Honour Roll
I award myself a cyan ribbon for deputising for Herald. On 5/5/20 12:20 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote: I deputise temporarily for Herald to publish the following weekly report (not letting anyone steal it this time): Herald's Weekly report Date of Last Report: 05 May 2020 Date of This Report: 03 May 2020 Karma Entity - -- +7 Jason - ABOVE +4 STAND THE SAMURAI +4 Aris +3 G. +3 twg +3 Trigon +3 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus +2 omd +2 Warrigal +1 Alexis -1 ATMunn -1 Bernie -1 o -1 Gaelan -1 R. Lee -2 Rance -3 Agora -3 Falsifian -3 Murphy -4 CuddleBeam -4 Baron von Vaderham -4 D. Margaux - BELOW -4 LIE THE GAMMAS (none currently) <= HONOURLESS WORM - -- All other entities have 0 Karma. Notices of Honour (2 Years History): [New Week 04-May] Trigon (03 May 2020) +1 Jason (sorry for making you deal with all of this vote switchery) -1 G. (I think this reaction was wildly overblown) Alexis (03 May 2020) +1: R. Lee (rejoining as an active participant) -1: G. (putting a minor rule abuse ahead of fixing a broken historic record) G. (03 May 2020) +1 Jason (a person deserving of Shogun) -1 Alexis (for unnecessary reconsideration) [time of last report] Murphy (28 Apr 2020) +1 PSS (testing the finger-pointing rules in an interesting way) -1 ATMunn (randomly chosen zombie) Alexis (28 Apr 2020) +1 R. Lee (scummy report thievery) -1 R. Lee (scummy report thievery) [New Week 27-Apr] G. (25 Apr 2020) +1 PSS (catching up the treasury office) -1 twg (the departure) [New Week 20-Apr] Aris (14 Apr 2020) +1 Warrigal (introducing the amazing term "boo clause") -1 PSS (attempting to levy excessive fines) [New Week 13-Apr] Alexis (11 Apr 2020) +1 PSS (for eir careful investigation as Referee) -1 G. (for dismissing petitions as unimportant) R. Lee (09 Apr 2020) +1 Jason (rulekeeping is one of the hardest jobs (along with treasuror, which nobody is doing, therefore keeping the game mechanics in eternal stasis) -1 R. Lee (because lets be honest, i deserve to be honourless worm) G. (09 Apr 2020) +1 PSS (having to deal with the paperwork) -1 R. Lee (for attempting to launch fishing expeditions) Quartery Adjustment, April 01, 2020 Jacob Arduino: -1 -> 0 Agora: == -3 R. Lee (31 Mar 2020) +1 Jason (for putting to rest a piece of ancient history) -1 Aris (for abusing a motion to reconsider to extend a deadline) Alexis (31 Mar 2020) +1 Jason (for putting to rest a piece of ancient history) -1 Aris (for abusing a motion to reconsider to extend a deadline) [New Week 30-Mar] [New Week 23-Mar] Falsifian (21 Mar 2020) +1 Alexis (Helping the Registrar keep more accurate information) -1 Alexis (Punishing me for an error I could not have known about without spending unreasonable effort verifying the records I inherited from the previous Registrar. (I first joined Agora long after the event in question.)) Telnaior (21 Mar 2020) +1 Alexis (for catching something small but important that was missed in the history books) -1 Falsifian (for stuffing up the player list) G. (20 Mar 2020) +1 Jason (for losing a chance to judge a case older than emself) -1 Aris (for jumping onto an assigned case) R. Lee (16 Mar 2020) +1 Aris (because [e]'s epic) -1 Falsifian (for self ratifying that I am not a player, three times) Alexis (16 Mar 2020) +1 Aris (for having to wait so long for a peer review) -1 Alexis (for the delay) [New Week 16-Mar] Falsifian (15 Mar 2020) +1 G. (keeping things moving) -1 Falsifian (Ineffective Registrar) Jason (14 Mar 2020) +1 Murphy (seems like e should be higher than -4) -1 G. (down with the Shogun!) [New Week 09-Mar] G. (02 Mar 2020) +1 Gaelan (showing willingness to work with the geezers) -1 nch (sitting at +1 for no particular reason) [New Week 02-Mar] Gaelan (01 Mar 2020) +1 Warrigal (submitting his contract as 72-character-wide Markdown) -1 CuddleBeam (for making me handle emoji (fine, would’ve needed to do that if 天火狐 ever showed up again) and a value of N that can’t be stored as number in any reasonable computer system) [New Week 24-Feb] [New Week 17-Feb] [time of last report] Aris (13 Feb 2020) +1 Jason (having to deal with the mess) -1 Aris (messing up horrifically *twice*) [New Week 10-Feb] twg (9 Feb 2020) +1 Gaelan (helpfully providing a ruleset at a time when several large changes are going on simultaneously) -1 Jason (delaying ruleset publication at said time) [New Week 3-Feb] Gaelan (31 Jan 2020) +1 Alexis (for responsibly pointing out that something's broken, instead of practicing the all-too-common Agoran Shove Under the Rug) -1 Jason (for a proposal
