Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Falsifian via agora-business
On July 12, 2020 11:24:19 p.m. EDT, "N. S. via agora-business" 
 wrote:
>I vote like this and have tcbapo vote the same, except where indicated


Tcbapo is no longer registered. E stopped being your zombie when you were 
exiled.
Falsifian


BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread N. S. via agora-business
I vote like this and have tcbapo vote the same, except where indicated

8473p   Jason, G.1.0   Plain Old Bribery
I vote AGAINST but I have tcbapo vote FOR
8474p   G., omd  1.0   Agora the karma bank
AGAINST
8475p   Aris 1.0   Saving Sponsorship
FOR
8476e^  ATMunn, [1]  1.0   Contract charities
AGAINST

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 6:36 AM Reuben Staley via agora-official <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On 2020-07-12 14:10, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote:
> > ID  Author(s)AITitle
> >
> ---
> > 8473p   Jason, G.1.0   Plain Old Bribery
> FOR, obviously. I already have the ribbon but glitter's always good.
> > 8474p   G., omd  1.0   Agora the karma bank
> FOR
> > 8475p   Aris 1.0   Saving Sponsorship
> FOR
> > 8476e^  ATMunn, [1]  1.0   Contract charities
> FOR
>
> --
> Trigon
>
> I LOVE SPAGHETTI
> transfer Jason one coin
> nch was here
> I hereby
> don't... trust... the dragon...
> don't... trust... the dragon...
> Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
>


-- 
>From R. Lee


BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Falsifian via agora-business

I vote as follows:


ID  Author(s)AITitle
---
8473p   Jason, G.1.0   Plain Old Bribery

FOR


8474p   G., omd  1.0   Agora the karma bank

FOR


8475p   Aris 1.0   Saving Sponsorship

FOR


8476e^  ATMunn, [1]  1.0   Contract charities

FOR

--
Falsifian


Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears

2020-07-12 Thread N. S. via agora-business
I too consent

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:40 AM omd via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> at 5:22 PM, Nch via agora-business  wrote:
>
> > I consent to the following contract:
>
> Me too.
>


-- 
>From R. Lee


BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Voting for Coopor

2020-07-12 Thread Falsifian via agora-business

On 2020-07-12 4:17 p.m., Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote:

I initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the Coopor
election. The Vote Collector is the ADoP (me), the valid options
are the candidates (G. and R. Lee and anyone else who becomes
one), and the voting method is instant runoff.


I vote [R. Lee, ATMunn, G.].

--
Falsifian


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Diplonomic 2020] Disagreeable Proposal

2020-07-12 Thread Falsifian via agora-business

On 2020-07-12 4:25 p.m., ais523 via agora-business wrote:

On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 16:02 +, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:

I submit the following Diplonomic Proposal, titled "Judicial Veto":

{
To the end of Rule 8, append: "If enacting a proposal would
interfere
with the Judge's ability to ensure the smooth running of the game in
accordance with these rules, then e NEED NOT enact that proposal, so
long as e publishes an explanation of the problem, and this
exception
overrides any requirement for em to enact that proposal."
}

(This also gives the Judge a way out if a proposal would make eir
job very difficult.)


CFJ: The above-quoted message created an Agoran proposal.

Evidence: The above-quoted message.

Arguments: The quoted body of text appears to satisfy the requirements
to be a proposal in the Agoran sense, and its author has stated that e
is submitting it as a proposal; it was sent to a public forum, thus
appears to meet the requirements for acting by announcement (the
standard for creating a proposal). It is stated to be a Diplonomic
Proposal; however, I don't see any reason why a Diplonomic Proposal
can't also be an Agoran proposal, as this proposal appears to match
both sets of requirements.

Weighing against this is the fact that it obviously wasn't intended to
create an Agoran proposal. Is that relevant, when establishing whether
an action by announcement has occurred?


To reduce uncertainty: I withdraw the above Agoran proposal (if I indeed 
submitted one), but I don't withdraw the Diplonomic proposal.


--
Falsifian


Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears

2020-07-12 Thread omd via agora-business

at 5:22 PM, Nch via agora-business  wrote:


I consent to the following contract:


Me too.


BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread omd via agora-business
at 1:10 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official  
 wrote:



8473p   Jason, G.1.0   Plain Old Bribery

AGAINST

8474p   G., omd  1.0   Agora the karma bank

FOR

8475p   Aris 1.0   Saving Sponsorship

PRESENT

8476e^  ATMunn, [1]  1.0   Contract charities

PRESENT


Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears

2020-07-12 Thread ATMunn via agora-business

On 7/12/2020 8:30 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:

On 7/12/20 8:29 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
wrote:

On 7/12/20 8:22 PM, Nch via agora-business wrote:

I consent to the following contract:

{

The Platonic Parrot

I see no prohibition on dual citirateship, so I join The Platonic Parrot.



As do I.

I join the Platonic Parrot, and cease to be a Pirate. (i.e., leave the 
Plundership)


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)


Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears

2020-07-12 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-business
On 7/12/20 8:29 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
wrote:
> On 7/12/20 8:22 PM, Nch via agora-business wrote:
>> I consent to the following contract:
>>
>> {
>>
>> The Platonic Parrot
> I see no prohibition on dual citirateship, so I join The Platonic Parrot.
>

As do I.

-- 
Jason Cobb



Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears

2020-07-12 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
On 7/12/20 8:22 PM, Nch via agora-business wrote:
> I consent to the following contract:
> 
> {
> 
> The Platonic Parrot
I see no prohibition on dual citirateship, so I join The Platonic Parrot.

-- 

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate
Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears

2020-07-12 Thread Nch via agora-business
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:23 PM, Nch via agora-discussion 
 wrote:

> I leave the Pirate Plundership.

This wasn't to the public fora. I also almost forgot my doubloons. I transfer 
12 coins to myself from the Plunder Partnership, destroying my 12 doubloons. 
Then I leave the Plunder Partnership.


BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears

2020-07-12 Thread Nch via agora-business
I consent to the following contract:

{

The Platonic Parrot

A party to this contract is also known as a Platonic Pirate. Any player
who is not currently Marked can join this contract by announcement. Any
player can leave this contract by announcement. When someone is
deregistered, e automatically leaves the contract.

If a Platonic Pirate objects to an intent to transfer assets to this
contract, e ceases to be a party to the contract. If a player has
objected to an intent to transfer assets to this contract in the last 7
days, e is Marked.

When the Platonic Parrot has assets, any Platonic Pirate CAN by
announcement divy them in the following way:

* Where X is the total number of coins owned by the Platonic Parrot and
Y is the number of Platonic Pirates, e transfers each Platonic Pirate
X/Y (rounded down) coins from the Platonic Parrot.

* If there are still coins owned by the Platonic Parrot, e transfer
emself all the remaining coins.

* If there are any other assets owned by the Platonic Parrot, e
transfers emself one of them of eir own choice.

* If there are still assets owned by the Platonic Parrot, e transfers
them to other Platonic Pirates such that no Platonic Pirate receives
more than 1 more asset than any other Platonic Pirate (excluding the
coins e gave emself in the earlier step). As long as this constraint
is met, e may choose who gets what assets.

This contract may be amended by a Platonic Pirate with the consent of
2/3rds (rounded up) of all Platonic Pirates.

}

---
Nch

BUS: [Diplonomic] anonymous proposal

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-business


I submit the following Diplonomic Proposal: "anonymous":

--
Replace Rule 8 with the following:

During the negotiation or order-submission periods, any Contestant CAN
submit a proposal to change these rules privately to the Judge. Before the
beginning of each turn, the Judge SHALL publish the texts of all proposals
submitted during the previous turn.  The Judge SHALL NOT reveal the
identity of the submitter.  Players CAN vote a proposal so published, or
withdraw/change their votes, by submitting their votes privately to the
judge, only during the turn immediately following that proposal's
publication by the judge.

The judge CAN and SHALL resolve all proposals on which voting closed at
the end of the previous turn, before the next turn, but only after
resolving moves and unit adjustments for that turn.  E resolves the
proposal by publishing the number of votes in favor of it; if the proposal
has received a number of non-withdrawn votes in favor greater than half
the number of Contestants, it is enacted, otherwise it fails.  The Judge
SHALL NOT reveal the votes of specific Contestants.  If the text of the
rules changes, the Judge SHALL publish the new rules text before the start
of the next turn.

All proposals submitted before this sentence took effect, that have not
yet been resolved in some manner, CAN and SHALL be resolved as described
above, before the next turn (after this sentence takes effect) begins;
after doing so, the Judge CAN remove this sentence by announcement.

---

-G.



BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-business


> ID  Author(s)AITitle
> ---
> 8473p   Jason, G.1.0   Plain Old Bribery
> 8474p   G., omd  1.0   Agora the karma bank
> 8475p   Aris 1.0   Saving Sponsorship
> 8476e^  ATMunn, [1]  1.0   Contract charities

I vote FOR all of the above proposals.
I act on behalf of twg to vote FOR all the above proposals.

-G.



Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
On 7/12/20 5:36 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
wrote:
> I vote as follows:
> 
> On 7/12/20 4:10 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote:
>> PROMOTOR'S REPORT AS OF RIGHT NOW
>>
>> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating a referendum on it,
>> and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector
>> is the Assessor, the quorum is 9, the voting method is AI-majority, and the
>> valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
>> conditional votes).
>>
>> ID  Author(s)AITitle
>> ---
>> 8473p   Jason, G.1.0   Plain Old Bribery
> FOR
>> 8474p   G., omd  1.0   Agora the karma bank
> AGAINST
>> 8475p   Aris 1.0   Saving Sponsorship
> FOR
>> 8476e^  ATMunn, [1]  1.0   Contract charitiesFOR

If I have not already, I vote FOR Proposal 8476.

-- 

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate
Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth


BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
I vote as follows:

On 7/12/20 4:10 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote:
> PROMOTOR'S REPORT AS OF RIGHT NOW
> 
> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating a referendum on it,
> and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector
> is the Assessor, the quorum is 9, the voting method is AI-majority, and the
> valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
> conditional votes).
> 
> ID  Author(s)AITitle
> ---
> 8473p   Jason, G.1.0   Plain Old Bribery
FOR
> 8474p   G., omd  1.0   Agora the karma bank
AGAINST
> 8475p   Aris 1.0   Saving Sponsorship
FOR
> 8476e^  ATMunn, [1]  1.0   Contract charitiesFOR


BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread ATMunn via agora-business

I vote as follows:


8473p   Jason, G.1.0   Plain Old Bribery

FOR, might as well get the glitter

8474p   G., omd  1.0   Agora the karma bank

FOR

8475p   Aris 1.0   Saving Sponsorship

FOR

8476e^  ATMunn, [1]  1.0   Contract charities

FOR


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)


BUS: [Promotor & Dragon President] Document Rerouting

2020-07-12 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-business
This message contains no game actions.

OFF is generally used for reports on the state of the game. BUS is
generally used for game actions. My routing of documents has not
reflected this distinction.

The Dragon President's State of the Dragon reports reflect the state
of the Dragon Corporation. They will now be sent to OFF unless there
are objections.

The Promotor's Ministerial Referrals contain only game actions; their
results are reported in Promotor's reports and distributions.
Accordingly, they will now be sent to BUS.


BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-business
I vote as follows:

> ID  Author(s)AITitle
> ---
> 8473p   Jason, G.1.0   Plain Old Bribery
FOR. Consider this a protest vote against there being no legitimate
way to gain black ribbons.
> 8474p   G., omd  1.0   Agora the karma bank
FOR
> 8475p   Aris 1.0   Saving Sponsorship
FOR
> 8476e^  ATMunn, [1]  1.0   Contract charities
FOR

-Aris


BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-business
I vote as follows:

> ID  Author(s)AITitle
> ---
> 8473p   Jason, G.1.0   Plain Old Bribery

FOR, of course.


> 8474p   G., omd  1.0   Agora the karma bank

FOR


> 8475p   Aris 1.0   Saving Sponsorship

FOR


> 8476e^  ATMunn, [1]  1.0   Contract charities

FOR

-- 
Jason Cobb



BUS: [Promotor] Ministerial Referrals

2020-07-12 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-business
The Promotor hereby refers proposals as follows:

The proposal "Plain Old Bribery" is referred to the Ministry of Participation.

The proposal "Agora the karma bank" is referred to the Ministry of
Participation.

The proposal "Saving Sponsorship" is referred to the Ministry of Participation.

The proposal "Contract charities" is referred to the Ministry of Economy.


BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Voting for Coopor

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-business


On 7/12/2020 9:17 AM, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote:
> I initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the Coopor
> election. The Vote Collector is the ADoP (me), the valid options
> are the candidates (G. and R. Lee and anyone else who becomes
> one), and the voting method is instant runoff.

I vote {R. Lee, ATMunn, G.} and act on behalf of of twg to vote in the
same way.  -G.



BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Voting for Coopor

2020-07-12 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
On 7/12/20 12:17 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote:
> I initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the Coopor
> election. The Vote Collector is the ADoP (me), the valid options
> are the candidates (G. and R. Lee and anyone else who becomes
> one), and the voting method is instant runoff.

I vote ENDORSE G..

-- 

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate
Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth


BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Voting for Coopor

2020-07-12 Thread ATMunn via agora-business

On 7/12/2020 12:17 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote:

I initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the Coopor
election. The Vote Collector is the ADoP (me), the valid options
are the candidates (G. and R. Lee and anyone else who becomes
one), and the voting method is instant runoff.


I become a candidate, and vote [ATMunn, R. Lee, G.].
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary, also Czar of Russia :)


BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Voting for Coopor

2020-07-12 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-business
On 7/12/20 12:17 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote:
> I initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the Coopor
> election. The Vote Collector is the ADoP (me), the valid options
> are the candidates (G. and R. Lee and anyone else who becomes
> one), and the voting method is instant runoff.


I vote ENDORSE G. [E created the office, so I think e should have a
chance to take it if e wants it.]

-- 
Jason Cobb



Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Voting for Coopor

2020-07-12 Thread N. S. via agora-business
I vote for myself

On Mon., 13 Jul. 2020, 2:24 am Edward Murphy via agora-business, <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I wrote:
>
> > I initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the Coopor
> > election. The Vote Collector is the ADoP (me), the valid options
> > are the candidates (G. and R. Lee and anyone else who becomes
> > one), and the voting method is instant runoff.
>
> I cast a vote endorsing R. Lee.
>


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Diplonomic 2020] Disagreeable Proposal

2020-07-12 Thread ais523 via agora-business
On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 16:02 +, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:
> I submit the following Diplonomic Proposal, titled "Judicial Veto":
> 
> {
> To the end of Rule 8, append: "If enacting a proposal would
> interfere 
> with the Judge's ability to ensure the smooth running of the game in 
> accordance with these rules, then e NEED NOT enact that proposal, so 
> long as e publishes an explanation of the problem, and this
> exception 
> overrides any requirement for em to enact that proposal."
> }
> 
> (This also gives the Judge a way out if a proposal would make eir
> job very difficult.)

CFJ: The above-quoted message created an Agoran proposal.

Evidence: The above-quoted message.

Arguments: The quoted body of text appears to satisfy the requirements
to be a proposal in the Agoran sense, and its author has stated that e
is submitting it as a proposal; it was sent to a public forum, thus
appears to meet the requirements for acting by announcement (the
standard for creating a proposal). It is stated to be a Diplonomic
Proposal; however, I don't see any reason why a Diplonomic Proposal
can't also be an Agoran proposal, as this proposal appears to match
both sets of requirements.

Weighing against this is the fact that it obviously wasn't intended to
create an Agoran proposal. Is that relevant, when establishing whether
an action by announcement has occurred?

-- 
ais523



BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Voting for Coopor

2020-07-12 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-business

I wrote:


I initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the Coopor
election. The Vote Collector is the ADoP (me), the valid options
are the candidates (G. and R. Lee and anyone else who becomes
one), and the voting method is instant runoff.


I cast a vote endorsing R. Lee.


Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3863 Assigned to Murphy [attn Treasuror]

2020-07-12 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-business

I wrote:

===  CFJ 3863  
===



FALSE.


I award myself Blue Glitter for this judgement (10 coins according to
latest Tailor's weekly report).



Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Diplonomic 2020] Disagreeable Proposal

2020-07-12 Thread Falsifian via agora-business

On 2020-07-12 4:02 p.m., Falsifian via agora-business wrote:

On 2020-07-12 2:05 p.m., Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:

On 7/11/20 11:59 PM, omd via agora-business wrote:

at 8:42 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion
 wrote:

I think this is missing 'replacing "more supply centers than units" 
with

"more Supply than its number of units"'.

I'm not sure what the proposal does in the case that a player has more
Supply than units, but not more supply centres than units.

Whoops.  Thanks for pointing that out.

I retract “Disagreeable Proposal”.

I submit the following Diplonomic Proposal, titled “Disagreeable 
Proposal

v2":
{{
Create a new Diplonomic rule:
{
All Contestants who submitted a non-withdrawn vote in favor of the 
Proposal
that created this rule, before that Proposal was enacted, have one 
greater

Supply than they otherwise would.
}

Amend Diplonomic rule 23 by replacing “the number of supply centers it
controls” with “its Supply”, by replacing “fewer supply centers than 
units”

with “less Supply than its number of units”, by replacing “more supply
centers than units” with “more Supply than its number of units”, and by
appending as a new paragraph:
{
A country’s Supply is by default the number of supply centers it 
controls,

subject to modification by other rules.
}
}}



This proposal would require the Judge to reveal the votes on this
proposal, which e is specifically prohibited from doing.


I submit the following Diplonomic Proposal, titled "Judicial Veto":

{
To the end of Rule 8, append: "If enacting a proposal would interfere 
with the Judge's ability to ensure the smooth running of the game in 
accordance with these rules, then e NEED NOT enact that proposal, so 
long as e publishes an explanation of the problem, and this exception 
overrides any requirement for em to enact that proposal."

}

(This also gives the Judge a way out if a proposal would make eir job 
very difficult.)


I retract that and in its place submit the following Diplonomic 
Proposal, titled "Judicial Veto 1.1":


{
To the end of Rule 8, append: "If enacting a proposal would interfere 
with the Judge's ability to ensure the smooth running of the game in 
accordance with these rules, then other rules notwithstanding, e NEED 
NOT enact that proposal, so long as e publishes an explanation of the 
problem."

}

(the ", and ..." seemed gramatically a little ambiguous in the first 
version)


--
Falsifian


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Diplonomic 2020] Disagreeable Proposal

2020-07-12 Thread Falsifian via agora-business

On 2020-07-12 2:05 p.m., Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:

On 7/11/20 11:59 PM, omd via agora-business wrote:

at 8:42 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion
 wrote:


I think this is missing 'replacing "more supply centers than units" with
"more Supply than its number of units"'.

I'm not sure what the proposal does in the case that a player has more
Supply than units, but not more supply centres than units.

Whoops.  Thanks for pointing that out.

I retract “Disagreeable Proposal”.

I submit the following Diplonomic Proposal, titled “Disagreeable Proposal
v2":
{{
Create a new Diplonomic rule:
{
All Contestants who submitted a non-withdrawn vote in favor of the Proposal
that created this rule, before that Proposal was enacted, have one greater
Supply than they otherwise would.
}

Amend Diplonomic rule 23 by replacing “the number of supply centers it
controls” with “its Supply”, by replacing “fewer supply centers than units”
with “less Supply than its number of units”, by replacing “more supply
centers than units” with “more Supply than its number of units”, and by
appending as a new paragraph:
{
A country’s Supply is by default the number of supply centers it controls,
subject to modification by other rules.
}
}}



This proposal would require the Judge to reveal the votes on this
proposal, which e is specifically prohibited from doing.


I submit the following Diplonomic Proposal, titled "Judicial Veto":

{
To the end of Rule 8, append: "If enacting a proposal would interfere 
with the Judge's ability to ensure the smooth running of the game in 
accordance with these rules, then e NEED NOT enact that proposal, so 
long as e publishes an explanation of the problem, and this exception 
overrides any requirement for em to enact that proposal."

}

(This also gives the Judge a way out if a proposal would make eir job 
very difficult.)


--
Falsifian


Re: BUS: @Treasuror Weekly Doubloon Report

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-business


On 7/12/2020 8:34 AM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:
> On 2020-07-12 10:11 a.m., Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> On 7/12/20 1:49 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote:
>>> I destroy my 12 doubloons in exchange for the plundership coins.
>>>
>>
>> As do I.
> 
> I take 12 Coins from the Plundership.
> 

As do I.  -G.



BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3863 Assigned to Murphy

2020-07-12 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-business

G. wrote:


The below CFJ is 3863.  I assign it to Murphy.

status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3863

===  CFJ 3863  ===

   Aris MAY Call Destruction Down Upon the contract Amusing Test
   Case.

==

Caller:Aris

Judge: Murphy

==

History:

Called by Aris:   01 Jul 2020 04:32:11
Assigned to Murphy:   [now]

==

Caller's Arguments:

This case is very simple. Rule 2162, "Switches", defines flipping
switches. This contract attempts to override the definition for its
own purposes. The question is whether the definition in the Rule has
preclusive effect. Definitions ordinarily don't, at least in ordinary
language (i.e. texts regularly redefine special terms). However, Rule
2162 doesn't say it's defining anything, it just does so. It arguably
overrides the definition in the contract. I request the judge also
rule on whether things would differ if Rule 2162 used the word
"define", rather than simply stating the meaning of the term.


Caller's Evidence:

On 6/30/2020 9:32 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote:

I create, consent to, and become a member of the following contract.

{
Amusing Test Case

Any player CAN become a party to this contract by announcement.

Amusement is an untracked singleton negative boolean switch.
Destructibility is an untracked singleton negative boolean switch.

Any other definition notwithstanding, "to flip the amusement switch to
true" (and similar variations thereof) means to change the value of
the destructibility switch to true, and has no effect on the amusement
switch.

Aris CAN flip the amusement switch to true by announcement.

Aris CAN Call Destruction Down Upon this contract by announcement.
This instant after e does so, this contract is destroyed. Aris SHALL
NOT Call Destruction Down Upon this contract unless the value of the
destructibility switch is true.

One week after this contract comes into existence, the value of
destructibility switch is set to true.
}

I flip the amusement switch to true (under the definition specified by
the contract).


Rule 2162/13 (Power=3)
Switches

   A type of switch is a property that the rules define as a switch,
   and specify the following:

   1. The type(s) of entity possessing an instance of that switch. No
  other entity possesses an instance of that switch.

   2. One or more possible values for instances of that switch,
  exactly one of which should be designated as the default. No
  values other than those listed are possible for instances of
  that switch, except that, if no default is specified, then
  rules to the contrary notwithstanding, the "null" value is a
  possible value for that switch, and is the default.

   3. Optionally, exactly one office whose holder tracks instances of
  that switch. That officer's (weekly, if not specified
  otherwise) report includes the value of each instance of that
  switch whose value is not its default value; a public document
  purporting to be this portion of that officer's report is
  self-ratifying, and implies that other instances are at their
  default value.

   At any given time, each instance of a switch has exactly one
   possible value for that type of switch. If an instance of a switch
   comes to have a value, it ceases to have any other value. If an
   instance of a switch would otherwise fail to have a possible
   value, it comes to have its default value. A Rule that designates
   a switch as "secured" (at a given power level) designates changes
   to the properties of that type of switch as secured (at that power
   level) and designates changes to the value of each instance of the
   switch as secured (at that power level).

   "To flip an instance of a switch" is to make it come to have a
   given value. "To become X" (where X is a possible value of
   exactly one of the subject's switches) is to flip that switch to
   X.

   If a type of switch is not explicitly designated as
   possibly-indeterminate by the rule that defines it, and if an
   action or set of actions would cause the value of an instance of
   that type of switch to become indeterminate, that instance instead
   takes on its last determinate and possible value, if any,
   otherwise it takes on its default value.

   A singleton switch is a switch for which Agora Nomic is the only
   entity possessing an instance of that switch.

   A boolean switch is a switch with values True and False. A
   

Re: BUS: @Treasuror Weekly Doubloon Report

2020-07-12 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-business
On 7/12/20 1:49 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote:
> Cuddlebeam, nch, R. Lee, P.S.S., G., Bögtil, Jason, Falsifian,
>
> Aris, ATMunn
>
>
> Each of the above listed players has 125/10=12 doubloons.


Let N be the number of doubloons in my possession (12, if the above is
correct or self-ratifies). I perform the following action N times:

{

I transfer one coin from the Plunder Partnership to myself, thus causing
one doubloon in my possession to be destroyed.

}

-- 
Jason Cobb



Re: BUS: @Treasuror Weekly Doubloon Report

2020-07-12 Thread ATMunn via agora-business
On 7/12/2020 6:11 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business 
wrote:

On 7/12/20 1:49 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote:

I destroy my 12 doubloons in exchange for the plundership coins.



As do I.


I do so as well.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary, also Czar of Russia :)


Re: BUS: @Treasuror Weekly Doubloon Report

2020-07-12 Thread Falsifian via agora-business
On 2020-07-12 10:11 a.m., Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via 
agora-business wrote:

On 7/12/20 1:49 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote:

I destroy my 12 doubloons in exchange for the plundership coins.



As do I.


I take 12 Coins from the Plundership.

--
Falsifian


BUS: [Arbitor] A Venetian holiday

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-business


I intend to make full use of the holiday and not produce a report until
next week, but if there's an unassigned CFJ you think is urgent, please
let me know and I'll assign (won't delay more than a few days).

-G. the Arbitor and Emperor of Rome



BUS: CFJ 3862 Recusal and Thoughts

2020-07-12 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
On 7/5/20 2:22 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote:
> The below CFJ is 3862.  I assign it to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus.
> 
> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3862
> 
> ===  CFJ 3862  ===
> 
>   Facts (for example, 2 + 2 = 4), for the purposes of Agoran play,
>   rely on some function of the collective Agoran opinion and not
>   necessarily some objective reality. For example, if enough Agorans
>   believe that 2 + 2 = 5 is true, it is then so for Agora.
> 
> ==

I recuse myself from CFJ 3862. I was considering DISMISSing this because
I think that the statement isn't appropriate for a CFJ, so it is
malformed, but I'm not sure that's an appropriate use of it, so I'd like
to give someone else an opportunity to address this. I don't think that
a CFJ is the best venue for answering this sort of question given that
its not really a question that could impact any internal aspect of the
gamestate and there are different positions that could all be equally
valid, therefore I encourage Cuddlebeam and others interested in
expressing themselves on this question to instead write a thesis.

-- 

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate
Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth


BUS: Deputisation Intent

2020-07-12 Thread N. S. via agora-business
Murphy missed eir report last week, I'll give him 2 days from now. I intend
to deputise for ADoP to publish eir weekly report.

-- 
>From R. Lee


BUS: [Proposal] Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-07-12 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
On 7/12/20 3:48 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote:
> P.S.S., nch  1.0   Warmer Welcomes [2]

I withdraw this proposal and submit the following proposal entitled
"Regulated Welcoming Coinage":
If "Warmer Welcomes" has passed:
{
  Amend rule 2499 "Welcome Packages" by replacing the sentence that
  reads:

  "When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 25 coins and one of
  each type of Card defined in the rules."

  with the following:

  "When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns a one of each type
  of Card and a number of coins defined by the Treasuror's
  administrative regulations. When the Treasuror's administrative
  regulations are silent, e earns 25 coins and one of each type of Card
  defined in the rules."
}
Otherwise:
{
  Amend rule 2499 "Welcome Packages" by replacing the sentence that
  reads:

  "When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins and one of
  each type of Card defined in the rules."

  with the following:

  "When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns a one of each type
  of Card and a number of coins defined by the Treasuror's
  administrative regulations. When the Treasuror's administrative
  regulations are silent, e earns 10 coins and one of each type of Card
  defined in the rules."
}

-- 

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate
Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth


Re: BUS: @Treasuror Weekly Doubloon Report

2020-07-12 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
On 7/12/20 1:49 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote:
> I destroy my 12 doubloons in exchange for the plundership coins.
> 

As do I.
-- 

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate
Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth


Re: BUS: [Diplonomic 2020] Teaming up

2020-07-12 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-business
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 11:42 PM Reuben Staley via agora-business
 wrote:
>
> I consent to being on Aris' team.
>
> I believe previously I was just an advisor/consultant, but now it's time
> for teammateship.

Let's do this!

I cause Trigon to become my teammate.

-Aris


BUS: [Diplonomic 2020] Teaming up

2020-07-12 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-business

I consent to being on Aris' team.

I believe previously I was just an advisor/consultant, but now it's time 
for teammateship.


--
Trigon

I LOVE SPAGHETTI
transfer Jason one coin
nch was here
I hereby
don't... trust... the dragon...
don't... trust... the dragon...
Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this


BUS: Zombification

2020-07-12 Thread N. S. via agora-business
I gave notice a while ago, forgot where but whatever. I flip Telnaiors
talisman to agora.

-- 
>From R. Lee