Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Pre-Resolution of Victory Election

2017-06-20 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
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Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
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> On Jun 20, 2017, at 5:38 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  wrote:
> 
> Let me try again, I hereby ratify the following document without objection: 
> {{Votes on any attempt to initiate a Victory Election are votes on the most 
> recent successful attempt.}}
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 3:34 PM, Alex Smith  wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 2017-06-19 at 18:30 -0400, omd wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 6:12 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>>  wrote:
 I hereby ratify the following document without objection: {{Votes
 on any attempt to initiate a Victory Election shall be counted as
 votes on the most recent successful attempt.}}
>>> 
>>> I object, and I'm pretty sure this wouldn't do anything if ratified
>>> (the statement could only be made true through a rule change, yet the
>>> document doesn't specify the exact change). :p
>> 
>> Just a reminder for everyone, as there have been several mistakes with
>> this recently: ratification isn't a method of making rulings on "what
>> should have happened", and can't "see" history; it's a method of
>> changing the current gamestate to match the results of what a
>> retroactive change would have been. In particular, the ratification
>> mechanism mostly assumes that you're ratifying a true statement, and if
>> you want to ratify a /false/ statement, that statement mustn't in of
>> itself have any awareness that it's false.
>> 
>> -- 
>> ais523
> 



Re: BUS: [Herald] Pre-Resolution of Victory Election

2017-06-19 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2017-06-19 at 18:30 -0400, omd wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 6:12 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  wrote:
> > I hereby ratify the following document without objection: {{Votes
> > on any attempt to initiate a Victory Election shall be counted as
> > votes on the most recent successful attempt.}}
> 
> I object, and I'm pretty sure this wouldn't do anything if ratified
> (the statement could only be made true through a rule change, yet the
> document doesn't specify the exact change). :p

Just a reminder for everyone, as there have been several mistakes with
this recently: ratification isn't a method of making rulings on "what
should have happened", and can't "see" history; it's a method of
changing the current gamestate to match the results of what a
retroactive change would have been. In particular, the ratification
mechanism mostly assumes that you're ratifying a true statement, and if
you want to ratify a /false/ statement, that statement mustn't in of
itself have any awareness that it's false.

-- 
ais523


Re: BUS: [Herald] Pre-Resolution of Victory Election

2017-06-19 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 6:12 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 wrote:
> I hereby ratify the following document without objection: {{Votes on any 
> attempt to initiate a Victory Election shall be counted as votes on the most 
> recent successful attempt.}}

I object, and I'm pretty sure this wouldn't do anything if ratified
(the statement could only be made true through a rule change, yet the
document doesn't specify the exact change). :p


BUS: [Herald] Pre-Resolution of Victory Election

2017-06-19 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I hereby ratify the following document without objection: {{Votes on any 
attempt to initiate a Victory Election shall be counted as votes on the most 
recent successful attempt.}}



Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com