Re: BUS: Proposal: Less Strict Faking

[Nic Evans]

If I can, I withdraw the proposal "Less Strict Faking". Thank you and
sorry to anyone who lost shinies pending it. (Especially since I
realized I had 5 shinies after I asked people to pend it.)

I'm currently rethinking not only this but the entire criminal justice
proposal. I do believe we need robust systems to deal with disruption,
that explicit reprimand is a useful tool, and that ameliorative
intervention (like tort law) is productive. But I question the
effectiveness of the current Card system, and I worry about the
direction of my own proposal; a complex criminal system surely wouldn't
look welcoming to newcomers, and might cause as much grief as it intends
to solve. Maybe I've taken a dark turn there.

I think that Justice, in general, can use three tools: Punishment,
Rehabilitation, and Remedy. I think the first is the easiest to jump to
but also the least useful. Exclusionary punishment (limiting voting
power, CFJs, and even banishment) can prevent specific attacks but does
little to decrease the malice of an aggravated person and frequently
alienates the simply belligerent.

Rehabilitation already exists in the current system, and I think all of
us have been pleasantly surprised at its success: Apologies. Maybe a
future criminal system should focus more closely on this. Maybe ALL
punishments should be reducable with Rehabilitory steps.

Remedy is essentially all of tort law, and doesn't currently exist. If
we continue with pledges, orgs, and assets we definitely need it. But
like Punishment, it does little to enlighten or improve the mood of the
offender, and should be used when it helps to provide an overall sense
of fairness to the community.


On 07/13/17 15:37, Nic Evans wrote:
> I submit the following proposal:
>
> Title: Less Strict Faking
> AI: 1
> Author: nichdel
> Co-authors:
>
> Amend R2471 (No Faking) to read:
>
> A person SHALL NOT attempt to perform an action which e does not believe
> to be possible so as to deceive others.
>




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Re: BUS: Proposal: Less Strict Faking

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I pend this for the minimum allowable amount.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:
> 
> I submit the following proposal:
> 
> Title: Less Strict Faking
> AI: 1
> Author: nichdel
> Co-authors:
> 
> Amend R2471 (No Faking) to read:
> 
> A person SHALL NOT attempt to perform an action which e does not believe
> to be possible so as to deceive others.
> 



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BUS: Proposal: Less Strict Faking

[Nic Evans]

I submit the following proposal:

Title: Less Strict Faking
AI: 1
Author: nichdel
Co-authors:

Amend R2471 (No Faking) to read:

A person SHALL NOT attempt to perform an action which e does not believe
to be possible so as to deceive others.



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