BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201
Ah, my bad then. I didn't think of that being an issue (this also
applies to G.'s comments). Although, I still take slight issue that this
wording prevents the possibility of an instant runoff vote with
non-entity options (which we might want in the future, but I don't think
is needed right now).
I change my vote on Proposal 8199 to AGAINST.
Jason Cobb
On 7/3/19 12:13 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019, Aris Merchant wrote:
Amend item 3 of the only list of Rule 2528 ("Voting Methods") to read:
3. For an instant runoff decision, non-empty ordered lists for which
each element is a valid option.
The current "entities" text was introduced on purpose in 2017 by
Alexis's proposal 7922 (Clarity Act). To quote its comment:
[This splits off the portion of 955 that isn't actually related to
resolution. The definition of instant runoff is changed to evaluate
validity of options at the end of the voting period, and avoid
retroactively invalidating votes if an option drops out.]
Greetings,
Ørjan.
BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201
PF.
Jason Cobb
On 7/1/19 10:09 PM, Jason Cobb wrote:
Claim of error: I submitted the proposal "Regulated actions reform
(v2)" here [0].
[0]:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-June/040719.html
Jason Cobb
On 7/1/19 9:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
conditional votes).
ID Author(s) AI Title
---
8196 Jason Cobb, Falsifian 1.7 Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
8197 G. none no power is all powerful
8198 Jason Cobb 1.0 Be gone, foul demon!
8199 Jason Cobb 3.0 Fixing instant runoff
8200 Aris, G. 3.0 Sane AI Defaulting
8201 Aris 3.0 Just Make Them Write It Out
The proposal pool is currently empty.
The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below.
//
ID: 8196
Title: Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
Adoption index: 1.7
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors: Falsifian
[Comment: This clarifies the wording to explicitly use both the time
window and penalty specified in the Oath. This also specifies that
pledges can only be violated once.]
Amend the first paragraph of Rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read:
If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to perform (or
refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking the pledge
within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of
Oathbreaking. If the pledge specifically states that the pledge is
under penalty of a Class A crime, where A is an integer not less
than 1, then N is A; otherwise, N is 2. If the pledge specifically
states that it operates only for a certain time window, and if that
time window is prospective and not retrospective, then it operates
only for that time window; otherwise, the pledge operates for 60
days. It is impossible to commit the crime of Oathbreaking multiple
times for a single pledge; breaking a single pledge multiple times
constitutes a single crime.
//
ID: 8197
Title: no power is all powerful
Adoption index: none
Author: G.
Co-authors:
Create the following Rule, "Supreme Power", Power=4:
G. CAN make arbitrary changes to the gamestate by announcement.
//
ID: 8198
Title: Be gone, foul demon!
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:
Repeal Rule 2596 ("The Ritual").
//
ID: 8199
Title: Fixing instant runoff
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:
Amend item 3 of the only list of Rule 2528 ("Voting Methods") to read:
3. For an instant runoff decision, non-empty ordered lists for which
each element is a valid option.
//
ID: 8200
Title: Sane AI Defaulting
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Aris
Co-authors: G.
Amend Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices) by replacing:
Adoption index is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
decisions and proposals, whose value is either "none" (default) or
an integral multiple of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
with:
Adoption index (AI) is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
decisions and proposals. For decisions, the possible values are
"none" (default) or integral multiples of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
For proposals, the possible values are integral multiples of 0.1
from 1.0 to 9.9 (default 1.0).
//
ID: 8201
Title: Just Make Them Write It Out
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Aris
Co-authors:
[It's terribly confusing for everyone to leave out a proposal title.
Leaving
out AI only works if it's 1.0 anyway, and confuses me every time I
see it.
I usually spend like a solid minute checking that I haven't missed
something
as Promotor and that the proposal is effective at that power as a
player.
Just making these fields mandatory would save everyone so much
trouble and
be only marginally more work for authors.]
Amend Rule 2350, "Proposals", by changing the first paragraph, including
the following list, to read in full:
A proposal is an entity consisting of a body of text and
other attributes. A player CAN create a proposal by announcement,
specifying its text, an associated title, and a valid adoption
index, and
optionally specifying a list of co-authors (who must be persons other
than the author).
BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201
TTttPF again oops
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:03 PM Rebecca wrote:
> ttpf
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:03 PM Rebecca wrote:
>
>> Reminder that I am still pledged to vote AGAINST anything that adds words
>> to the rules
>>
>> I vote as follows. I also act on Tarhalindur's behalf to vote as follows.
>>
>> 8196 Jason Cobb, Falsifian 1.7 Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
>> AGAINST
>> 8197 G. none no power is all powerful
>> AGAINST
>> 8198 Jason Cobb 1.0 Be gone, foul demon!
>> AGAINST, the ritual is fun.
>> 8199 Jason Cobb 3.0 Fixing instant runoff
>> With regret, AGAINST due to my pledge
>> 8200 Aris, G. 3.0 Sane AI Defaulting
>> With regret, AGAINST due to my pledge
>> 8201 Aris 3.0 Just Make Them Write It Out
>> FOR
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:56 AM Aris Merchant <
>> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
>> > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
>> > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
>> > quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
>> > options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
>> > conditional votes).
>> >
>> > IDAuthor(s) AITitle
>> >
>> ---
>> > 8196 Jason Cobb, Falsifian 1.7 Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
>> > 8197 G. none no power is all powerful
>> > 8198 Jason Cobb 1.0 Be gone, foul demon!
>> > 8199 Jason Cobb 3.0 Fixing instant runoff
>> > 8200 Aris, G. 3.0 Sane AI Defaulting
>> > 8201 Aris 3.0 Just Make Them Write It Out
>> >
>> >
>> > The proposal pool is currently empty.
>> >
>> > The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below.
>> >
>> > //
>> > ID: 8196
>> > Title: Perfecting pledges (v1.2)
>> > Adoption index: 1.7
>> > Author: Jason Cobb
>> > Co-authors: Falsifian
>> >
>> >
>> > [Comment: This clarifies the wording to explicitly use both the time
>> > window and penalty specified in the Oath. This also specifies that
>> > pledges can only be violated once.]
>> >
>> > Amend the first paragraph of Rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read:
>> >
>> > If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to perform (or
>> > refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking the pledge
>> > within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of
>> > Oathbreaking. If the pledge specifically states that the pledge is
>> > under penalty of a Class A crime, where A is an integer not less
>> > than 1, then N is A; otherwise, N is 2. If the pledge specifically
>> > states that it operates only for a certain time window, and if that
>> > time window is prospective and not retrospective, then it operates
>> > only for that time window; otherwise, the pledge operates for 60
>> > days. It is impossible to commit the crime of Oathbreaking multiple
>> > times for a single pledge; breaking a single pledge multiple times
>> > constitutes a single crime.
>> >
>> > //
>> > ID: 8197
>> > Title: no power is all powerful
>> > Adoption index: none
>> > Author: G.
>> > Co-authors:
>> >
>> >
>> > Create the following Rule, "Supreme Power", Power=4:
>> >
>> > G. CAN make arbitrary changes to the gamestate by announcement.
>> >
>> > //
>> > ID: 8198
>> > Title: Be gone, foul demon!
>> > Adoption index: 1.0
>> > Author: Jason Cobb
>> > Co-authors:
>> >
>> >
>> > Repeal Rule 2596 ("The Ritual").
>> >
>> > //
>> > ID: 8199
>> > Title: Fixing instant runoff
>> > Adoption index: 3.0
>> > Author: Jason Cobb
>> > Co-authors:
>> >
>> >
>> > Amend item 3 of the only list of Rule 2528 ("Voting Methods") to read:
>> >
>> > 3. For an instant runoff decision, non-empty ordered lists for which
>> > each element is a valid option.
>> >
>> > //
>> > ID: 8200
>> > Title: Sane AI Defaulting
>> > Adoption index: 3.0
>> > Author: Aris
>> > Co-authors: G.
>> >
>> >
>> > Amend Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices) by replacing:
>> > Adoption index is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
>> > decisions and proposals, whose value is either "none" (default) or
>> > an integral multiple of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
>> > with:
>> > Adoption index (AI) is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran
>> > decisions and proposals. For decisions, the possible values are
>> > "none" (default) or integral multiples of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9.
>> > For proposals, the possible values are integral multiples
