Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3556 assigned to G.
Judgement of CFJ 3556: Since CFJ 3555 found that CuddleBeam was not Laureled at the time e tried to get appointed Speaker, any attempts to do so trivially failed - there's no POSSIBLE mechanism that Quazie as the Prime Minister could have used - so e has no Platinum Ribbon. There's a side point worth addressing for the future. CuddleBeam tried several versions of "acting-on-behalf" lanugage. E.g.: - I have Quazie appoint me the title of Speaker via that Agency's Powers. - I appoint myself Speaker and have Quazie Support it via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf of Quazie. - I appoint myself Speaker via that Agency's Powers on behalf of Quazie. In general, the grammar of acting-on-behalf is difficult to figure out perfectly, and I'm not sure what the perfect way is: "I cause Quazie to act" versus "I act on behalf of Quazie" versus "I have Quazie appoint me" etc. So any method that makes it reasonably clear who the Agent is, who the Principal is, and what the action is, should generally be clear enough to work, without getting hung up on exact form. So any of the above should work. (I won't address whether the "once for each" loop works or whether the Agency has to be specified, I'll leave that for future judges where it's actually relevant to the case result). The only one that would fail IMO is this one: - I perform an action such which via use of that Agency, would grant me the title of Speaker. because it doesn't clearly specify the action to the "by announcement" standard in R478 (i.e. "appoint" or a synonym), it only specifies the desired result. I judge FALSE on CFJ 3556. On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > To give another week on this while awaiting other judges: >I file a Motion to Reconsider the below judgement of CFJ 3556. > > On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I judge CFJ 3556 as follows: > > > > INSUFFICIENT. In addition to limited caller's arguments, judging this > > correctly required a judgement of CFJ 3555 from Judge grok. > > > > If grok delivers a judgement of 3555 within the reconsideration window, > > I'll file a motion to reconsider this one. > > > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2017-08-25 at 03:49 +0100, Alex Smith wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2017-08-25 at 04:32 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > > > > Is the comma important? It's probably important. > > > > > > > > > > So: > > > > > > > > > > Once for each of Quazie's Agencies, I have Quazie appoint me the > > > > > title of > > > > > Speaker via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf of Quazie. > > > > > > > > > > Once for each of Quazie's Agencies, I appoint myself Speaker and have > > > > > Quazie Support it via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf of > > > > > Quazie. > > > > > > > > > > Once for each of Quazie's Agencies, I appoint myself Speaker via that > > > > > Agency's Powers on behalf of Quazie. > > > > > > > > > > Once for each of Quazie's Agencies, I perform an action such which > > > > > via use > > > > > of that Agency, would grant me the title of Speaker. > > > > > > > > > > I award myself a Platinum Ribbon. > > > > > > > > > > I withdraw my latest CFJ of "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon." > > > > > > > > > > I now CFJ: "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon". > > > > > > > > I call for judgement on the statement "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum > > > > Ribbon", by spending 1 Action Point. > > > > > > > > I assign the resulting CFJ the ID number 3556, and assign it to > > > > Cuddlebeam. Work your way through your messes yourself! > > > > > > This CFJ was called legally, but not assigned legally. I thus instead > > > assign it to G. (who favoured it). I also suggest that the judgement > > > should discuss Cuddlebeam's third attempt to perform these actions, > > > even though it occurred after the calling of the CFJ. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Cuddle Beam > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I have no idea how the method to do that would be because I'm not > > > > > > up to > > > > > > date, but, as a shot in the dark: > > > > > > > > > > > > Once, for each of Quazie's Agencies, I have Quazie appoint me the > > > > > > title of > > > > > > Speaker via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf of Quazie. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once, for each of Quazie's Agencies, I appoint myself Speaker and > > > > > > have > > > > > > Quazie Support it via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf > > > > > > of > > > > > > Quazie. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once, for each of Quazie's Agencies, I appoint myself Speaker via > > > > > > that > > > > > > Agency's Powers on behalf of Quazie. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once, for each of Quazie's Agencies, I perform an action such which > > > > > > via > > > > > > use of that Agency, would grant me the title of Speaker. > > > > > > > > > > > > I award myself a Platinum Ribbon. > > > > > > > > > > > > I CFJ: Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon. > > > > > > > > >
BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3556 assigned to G.
To give another week on this while awaiting other judges: I file a Motion to Reconsider the below judgement of CFJ 3556. On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I judge CFJ 3556 as follows: > > INSUFFICIENT. In addition to limited caller's arguments, judging this > correctly required a judgement of CFJ 3555 from Judge grok. > > If grok delivers a judgement of 3555 within the reconsideration window, > I'll file a motion to reconsider this one. > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > > > On Fri, 2017-08-25 at 03:49 +0100, Alex Smith wrote: > > > On Fri, 2017-08-25 at 04:32 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > > > Is the comma important? It's probably important. > > > > > > > > So: > > > > > > > > Once for each of Quazie's Agencies, I have Quazie appoint me the title > > > > of > > > > Speaker via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf of Quazie. > > > > > > > > Once for each of Quazie's Agencies, I appoint myself Speaker and have > > > > Quazie Support it via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf of > > > > Quazie. > > > > > > > > Once for each of Quazie's Agencies, I appoint myself Speaker via that > > > > Agency's Powers on behalf of Quazie. > > > > > > > > Once for each of Quazie's Agencies, I perform an action such which via > > > > use > > > > of that Agency, would grant me the title of Speaker. > > > > > > > > I award myself a Platinum Ribbon. > > > > > > > > I withdraw my latest CFJ of "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon." > > > > > > > > I now CFJ: "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon". > > > > > > I call for judgement on the statement "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum > > > Ribbon", by spending 1 Action Point. > > > > > > I assign the resulting CFJ the ID number 3556, and assign it to > > > Cuddlebeam. Work your way through your messes yourself! > > > > This CFJ was called legally, but not assigned legally. I thus instead > > assign it to G. (who favoured it). I also suggest that the judgement > > should discuss Cuddlebeam's third attempt to perform these actions, > > even though it occurred after the calling of the CFJ. > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Cuddle Beam > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I have no idea how the method to do that would be because I'm not up > > > > > to > > > > > date, but, as a shot in the dark: > > > > > > > > > > Once, for each of Quazie's Agencies, I have Quazie appoint me the > > > > > title of > > > > > Speaker via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf of Quazie. > > > > > > > > > > Once, for each of Quazie's Agencies, I appoint myself Speaker and have > > > > > Quazie Support it via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf of > > > > > Quazie. > > > > > > > > > > Once, for each of Quazie's Agencies, I appoint myself Speaker via that > > > > > Agency's Powers on behalf of Quazie. > > > > > > > > > > Once, for each of Quazie's Agencies, I perform an action such which > > > > > via > > > > > use of that Agency, would grant me the title of Speaker. > > > > > > > > > > I award myself a Platinum Ribbon. > > > > > > > > > > I CFJ: Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:28 AM, V.J Rada > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Assuming either PSSs announcement or my ratification worked, anyone > > > > > > can use Quazie's agency to appoint themselves speaker. If G's recent > > > > > > CFJ is correct and my ratification didn't work, Cuddle can still do > > > > > > so. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > From V.J Rada > > > > -- > > ais523 > > Arbitor > > > > >
BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3556 assigned to G.
I judge CFJ 3556 as follows: INSUFFICIENT. In addition to limited caller's arguments, judging this correctly required a judgement of CFJ 3555 from Judge grok. If grok delivers a judgement of 3555 within the reconsideration window, I'll file a motion to reconsider this one. On Sat, 26 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2017-08-25 at 03:49 +0100, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Fri, 2017-08-25 at 04:32 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > > Is the comma important? It's probably important. > > > > > > So: > > > > > > Once for each of Quazie's Agencies, I have Quazie appoint me the title of > > > Speaker via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf of Quazie. > > > > > > Once for each of Quazie's Agencies, I appoint myself Speaker and have > > > Quazie Support it via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf of > > > Quazie. > > > > > > Once for each of Quazie's Agencies, I appoint myself Speaker via that > > > Agency's Powers on behalf of Quazie. > > > > > > Once for each of Quazie's Agencies, I perform an action such which via use > > > of that Agency, would grant me the title of Speaker. > > > > > > I award myself a Platinum Ribbon. > > > > > > I withdraw my latest CFJ of "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon." > > > > > > I now CFJ: "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon". > > > > I call for judgement on the statement "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum > > Ribbon", by spending 1 Action Point. > > > > I assign the resulting CFJ the ID number 3556, and assign it to > > Cuddlebeam. Work your way through your messes yourself! > > This CFJ was called legally, but not assigned legally. I thus instead > assign it to G. (who favoured it). I also suggest that the judgement > should discuss Cuddlebeam's third attempt to perform these actions, > even though it occurred after the calling of the CFJ. > > > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > > > > > > I have no idea how the method to do that would be because I'm not up to > > > > date, but, as a shot in the dark: > > > > > > > > Once, for each of Quazie's Agencies, I have Quazie appoint me the title > > > > of > > > > Speaker via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf of Quazie. > > > > > > > > Once, for each of Quazie's Agencies, I appoint myself Speaker and have > > > > Quazie Support it via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf of > > > > Quazie. > > > > > > > > Once, for each of Quazie's Agencies, I appoint myself Speaker via that > > > > Agency's Powers on behalf of Quazie. > > > > > > > > Once, for each of Quazie's Agencies, I perform an action such which via > > > > use of that Agency, would grant me the title of Speaker. > > > > > > > > I award myself a Platinum Ribbon. > > > > > > > > I CFJ: Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:28 AM, V.J Rada > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Assuming either PSSs announcement or my ratification worked, anyone > > > > > can use Quazie's agency to appoint themselves speaker. If G's recent > > > > > CFJ is correct and my ratification didn't work, Cuddle can still do > > > > > so. > > > > > -- > > > > > From V.J Rada > > -- > ais523 > Arbitor >
