Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract Amendment] Agoran Press Changes

[Edward Murphy via agora-business]

Falsifian wrote:


On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:38:32PM -0400, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:

On 7/4/2021 23:37, Telna via agora-business wrote:

On 2021-07-05 13:34, Telna via agora-business wrote:

On 2021-07-05 11:17, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:

I propose the following amendment to the Agoran Press contract, and I
consent to it.I consent to this amendment.

I really need to figure out why this happens :V
To be clear, I do in fact consent to the amendment.


I also consent to the amendment proposed by Falsifian.

I doubt it would be interpreted this way, but it in a way looks like you
were saying you were proposing an amendment. Might want to do a retract
for safety (probably fine if not tho).

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)


ATMunn, are you a party to the contract? If not, I encourage you to
join so that your consent helps this amendment pass.

Unless I've missed some, we have so far:

player indicated consent
ATMunn*Yes
Falsifian  Yes
Gaelan No
Lucidiot   No
Murphy No
Telna  Yes

*Might not be a party.

and we need two thirds.


I consent to each amendment to the Agoran Press contract currently
under consideration.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract Amendment] Agoran Press Changes

[ATMunn via agora-business]

On 7/7/2021 21:00, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote:

On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:38:32PM -0400, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:

On 7/4/2021 23:37, Telna via agora-business wrote:

On 2021-07-05 13:34, Telna via agora-business wrote:

On 2021-07-05 11:17, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:

I propose the following amendment to the Agoran Press contract, and I
consent to it.I consent to this amendment.

I really need to figure out why this happens :V
To be clear, I do in fact consent to the amendment.


I also consent to the amendment proposed by Falsifian.

I doubt it would be interpreted this way, but it in a way looks like you
were saying you were proposing an amendment. Might want to do a retract
for safety (probably fine if not tho).

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)


ATMunn, are you a party to the contract? If not, I encourage you to
join so that your consent helps this amendment pass.

Unless I've missed some, we have so far:

player indicated consent
ATMunn*Yes
Falsifian  Yes
Gaelan No
Lucidiot   No
Murphy No
Telna  Yes

*Might not be a party.

and we need two thirds.



Whoops, I was not a party to the contract (prior to this email). I get 
confused between this contract and Obstructive Pooling sometimes, since 
they're both managed by you.


But anyways:

I become a party to the Agoran Press.

I consent to the amendment proposed by Falsifian, if I have not already 
done so.


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

[Aris Merchant]

Doesn't work (insufficient power, given that it defaults to 1).

I submit the following proposal, and pend it with a paper.

---
Title: V.J. Rada Equitable Remedy v2
AI: 2.1
Coauthor: V.J. Rada
If the Contract "Hi!" does not exist, create in V.J. Rada's
possession assets equal to the assets in that Contract at the moment
before its destruction. If that Contract still exists, destroy it and
then create in V.J. Rada's possession assets equal to the assets in
that Contract at the moment before its destruction.

Then, transfer one paper and one coin from V.J. Rada to whoever pended
this proposal. Then, transfer one coin from V.J. Rada to any player
that voted for
this proposal.
---

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 5:03 AM, Ned Strange  wrote:
> I create the following proposal (all should remember that I did
> already spend a coin to make the contract)
> Title: V.J. Rada Equitable Remedy.
> Text: If the Contract "Hi!" does not exist, create in V.J. Rada's
> possession assets equal to the assets in that Contract at the moment
> before its destruction. If that Contract still exists, destroy it and
> then create in V.J. Rada's possession assets equal to the assets in
> that Contract at the moment before its destruction.
>
> Then, transfer one paper and one coin from V.J. Rada to whoever pended
> this proposal. Then, transfer one coin to any player that voted for
> this proposal.
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 7:17 PM, Corona  wrote:
>> What about amending "Hi" in such a way that everyone gets a coin and VJ Rada 
>> gets the rest back? I wouldn't object to that.
>>
>> On 10:13, Apr 12, 2018, at 10:13, Aris Merchant 
>>  wrote:
>>>Sigh. I tend to agree with you, actually. All of your assets is a bit
>>>much.
>>>That might be hard to recover from. However, it isn't terribly
>>>equitable
>>>for you to get off free after attempting a scam, even one that we've
>>>sort
>>>of encouraged with the Boo Lien system. Also, giving all of your assets
>>>to
>>>one contract is always a horrible idea. I'm curious what other think.
>>>Maybe
>>>you should get 1/2 or 3/4 or something of them back? Whatever it is,
>>>we'd
>>>need to come up with something that no one would object to, considering
>>>that the contract can only be amended without objection (also always a
>>>bad
>>>idea not to provide a way to amend a contract).
>>>
>>>-Aris
>>>
>>>On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 AM Ned Strange 
>>>wrote:
>>>
 I really do think that me losing all of my assets over this is
>>>inequitable.

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Ned Strange
>>>
 wrote:
 > That is, I object for myself and PSS to Aris's intent
 >
 > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Ned Strange
>>>
 wrote:
 >> I object both for myself and PSS.
 >>
 >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Aris Merchant
 >>  wrote:
 >>> Well, I object. There is no reason we should allow you to reclaim
>>>your
 >>> assets from a badly designed scam contract. I intend, with 2
>>>Agoran
 >>> consent, to destroy the contract "Hi".
 >>>
 >>> -Aris
 >>>
 >>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 7:13 PM Ned Strange
>>>
 >>> wrote:
 >>>
  I object and intend to amend "Hi!" without objection to have the
>>>new
  text "VJ Rada can transfer all assets in this contract to emself
>>>by
  announcement".
 
  On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ned Strange <
 edwardostra...@gmail.com>
  wrote:
  > I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without objection.
>>>The
 new
  > text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all
>>>assets
 from
  > this contract by announcement".
  >
  > --
  > From V.J. Rada
 
 
 
  --
  From V.J. Rada
 
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> --
 >> From V.J. Rada
 >
 >
 >
 > --
 > From V.J. Rada



 --
 From V.J. Rada

>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

[Corona]

If the proposal V.J. Rada Equitable Remedy is not pending, I pend it with 1
paper.

~Corona

On Friday, April 13, 2018, Ned Strange  wrote:

> I create the following proposal (all should remember that I did
> already spend a coin to make the contract)
> Title: V.J. Rada Equitable Remedy.
> Text: If the Contract "Hi!" does not exist, create in V.J. Rada's
> possession assets equal to the assets in that Contract at the moment
> before its destruction. If that Contract still exists, destroy it and
> then create in V.J. Rada's possession assets equal to the assets in
> that Contract at the moment before its destruction.
>
> Then, transfer one paper and one coin from V.J. Rada to whoever pended
> this proposal. Then, transfer one coin to any player that voted for
> this proposal.
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 7:17 PM, Corona 
> wrote:
> > What about amending "Hi" in such a way that everyone gets a coin and VJ
> Rada gets the rest back? I wouldn't object to that.
> >
> > On 10:13, Apr 12, 2018, at 10:13, Aris Merchant <
> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>Sigh. I tend to agree with you, actually. All of your assets is a bit
> >>much.
> >>That might be hard to recover from. However, it isn't terribly
> >>equitable
> >>for you to get off free after attempting a scam, even one that we've
> >>sort
> >>of encouraged with the Boo Lien system. Also, giving all of your assets
> >>to
> >>one contract is always a horrible idea. I'm curious what other think.
> >>Maybe
> >>you should get 1/2 or 3/4 or something of them back? Whatever it is,
> >>we'd
> >>need to come up with something that no one would object to, considering
> >>that the contract can only be amended without objection (also always a
> >>bad
> >>idea not to provide a way to amend a contract).
> >>
> >>-Aris
> >>
> >>On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 AM Ned Strange 
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>> I really do think that me losing all of my assets over this is
> >>inequitable.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Ned Strange
> >>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > That is, I object for myself and PSS to Aris's intent
> >>> >
> >>> > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Ned Strange
> >>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >> I object both for myself and PSS.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Aris Merchant
> >>> >>  wrote:
> >>> >>> Well, I object. There is no reason we should allow you to reclaim
> >>your
> >>> >>> assets from a badly designed scam contract. I intend, with 2
> >>Agoran
> >>> >>> consent, to destroy the contract "Hi".
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> -Aris
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 7:13 PM Ned Strange
> >>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>>  I object and intend to amend "Hi!" without objection to have the
> >>new
> >>>  text "VJ Rada can transfer all assets in this contract to emself
> >>by
> >>>  announcement".
> >>> 
> >>>  On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ned Strange <
> >>> edwardostra...@gmail.com>
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>  > I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without objection.
> >>The
> >>> new
> >>>  > text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all
> >>assets
> >>> from
> >>>  > this contract by announcement".
> >>>  >
> >>>  > --
> >>>  > From V.J. Rada
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>  --
> >>>  From V.J. Rada
> >>> 
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> From V.J. Rada
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > From V.J. Rada
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> From V.J. Rada
> >>>
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada
>


-- 

~Corona

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

[Ned Strange]

I create the following proposal (all should remember that I did
already spend a coin to make the contract)
Title: V.J. Rada Equitable Remedy.
Text: If the Contract "Hi!" does not exist, create in V.J. Rada's
possession assets equal to the assets in that Contract at the moment
before its destruction. If that Contract still exists, destroy it and
then create in V.J. Rada's possession assets equal to the assets in
that Contract at the moment before its destruction.

Then, transfer one paper and one coin from V.J. Rada to whoever pended
this proposal. Then, transfer one coin to any player that voted for
this proposal.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 7:17 PM, Corona  wrote:
> What about amending "Hi" in such a way that everyone gets a coin and VJ Rada 
> gets the rest back? I wouldn't object to that.
>
> On 10:13, Apr 12, 2018, at 10:13, Aris Merchant 
>  wrote:
>>Sigh. I tend to agree with you, actually. All of your assets is a bit
>>much.
>>That might be hard to recover from. However, it isn't terribly
>>equitable
>>for you to get off free after attempting a scam, even one that we've
>>sort
>>of encouraged with the Boo Lien system. Also, giving all of your assets
>>to
>>one contract is always a horrible idea. I'm curious what other think.
>>Maybe
>>you should get 1/2 or 3/4 or something of them back? Whatever it is,
>>we'd
>>need to come up with something that no one would object to, considering
>>that the contract can only be amended without objection (also always a
>>bad
>>idea not to provide a way to amend a contract).
>>
>>-Aris
>>
>>On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 AM Ned Strange 
>>wrote:
>>
>>> I really do think that me losing all of my assets over this is
>>inequitable.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Ned Strange
>>
>>> wrote:
>>> > That is, I object for myself and PSS to Aris's intent
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Ned Strange
>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> I object both for myself and PSS.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Aris Merchant
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>> Well, I object. There is no reason we should allow you to reclaim
>>your
>>> >>> assets from a badly designed scam contract. I intend, with 2
>>Agoran
>>> >>> consent, to destroy the contract "Hi".
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -Aris
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 7:13 PM Ned Strange
>>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>>  I object and intend to amend "Hi!" without objection to have the
>>new
>>>  text "VJ Rada can transfer all assets in this contract to emself
>>by
>>>  announcement".
>>> 
>>>  On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ned Strange <
>>> edwardostra...@gmail.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>>  > I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without objection.
>>The
>>> new
>>>  > text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all
>>assets
>>> from
>>>  > this contract by announcement".
>>>  >
>>>  > --
>>>  > From V.J. Rada
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  --
>>>  From V.J. Rada
>>> 
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> From V.J. Rada
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > From V.J. Rada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From V.J. Rada
>>>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

[Corona]

Well, you're right, the contract was harmless, and losing all the assets
would be crippling, but on the other hand it was by VJ Rada's own mistake
that e lost the assets, and loss of assets through own oversight is
typically not undone by proposal... I'm on the fence about it.

I withdraw my and Quazie's (acting on eir behalf) support for the
destruction of "Hi" - let's just have the vote on that proposal, and
possibly destroy the contract later, if the proposal fails.



On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> I think e should get it all back.  It was harmless.
>
> If there isn't enough consensus for a w/o objection modification,
> maybe a proposal (power 2.1 does it right?).
>
> I object to Aris's intent.
>
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, Corona wrote:
> > What about amending it in such a way that everyone gets a coin and VJ
> Rada
> > gets the rest back? I wouldn't object to that.
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, April 12, 2018, Aris Merchant <
> > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Sigh. I tend to agree with you, actually. All of your assets is a bit
> much.
> > > That might be hard to recover from. However, it isn't terribly
> equitable
> > > for you to get off free after attempting a scam, even one that we've
> sort
> > > of encouraged with the Boo Lien system. Also, giving all of your
> assets to
> > > one contract is always a horrible idea. I'm curious what other think.
> Maybe
> > > you should get 1/2 or 3/4 or something of them back? Whatever it is,
> we'd
> > > need to come up with something that no one would object to, considering
> > > that the contract can only be amended without objection (also always a
> bad
> > > idea not to provide a way to amend a contract).
> > >
> > > -Aris
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 AM Ned Strange  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I really do think that me losing all of my assets over this is
> > > inequitable.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Ned Strange <
> edwardostra...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > That is, I object for myself and PSS to Aris's intent
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Ned Strange <
> edwardostra...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >> I object both for myself and PSS.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Aris Merchant
> > > > >>  wrote:
> > > > >>> Well, I object. There is no reason we should allow you to reclaim
> > > your
> > > > >>> assets from a badly designed scam contract. I intend, with 2
> Agoran
> > > > >>> consent, to destroy the contract "Hi".
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> -Aris
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 7:13 PM Ned Strange <
> > > edwardostra...@gmail.com>
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > >  I object and intend to amend "Hi!" without objection to have
> the new
> > > >  text "VJ Rada can transfer all assets in this contract to
> emself by
> > > >  announcement".
> > > > 
> > > >  On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ned Strange <
> > > > edwardostra...@gmail.com>
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >  > I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without
> objection. The
> > > > new
> > > >  > text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all
> assets
> > > > from
> > > >  > this contract by announcement".
> > > >  >
> > > >  > --
> > > >  > From V.J. Rada
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  --
> > > >  From V.J. Rada
> > > > 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> From V.J. Rada
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > From V.J. Rada
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > From V.J. Rada
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>


-- 

~Corona

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

[Kerim Aydin]

I think e should get it all back.  It was harmless.

If there isn't enough consensus for a w/o objection modification,
maybe a proposal (power 2.1 does it right?).

I object to Aris's intent.

On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, Corona wrote:
> What about amending it in such a way that everyone gets a coin and VJ Rada
> gets the rest back? I wouldn't object to that.
> 
> 
> On Thursday, April 12, 2018, Aris Merchant <
> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Sigh. I tend to agree with you, actually. All of your assets is a bit much.
> > That might be hard to recover from. However, it isn't terribly equitable
> > for you to get off free after attempting a scam, even one that we've sort
> > of encouraged with the Boo Lien system. Also, giving all of your assets to
> > one contract is always a horrible idea. I'm curious what other think. Maybe
> > you should get 1/2 or 3/4 or something of them back? Whatever it is, we'd
> > need to come up with something that no one would object to, considering
> > that the contract can only be amended without objection (also always a bad
> > idea not to provide a way to amend a contract).
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 AM Ned Strange 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I really do think that me losing all of my assets over this is
> > inequitable.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Ned Strange 
> > > wrote:
> > > > That is, I object for myself and PSS to Aris's intent
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Ned Strange  > >
> > > wrote:
> > > >> I object both for myself and PSS.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Aris Merchant
> > > >>  wrote:
> > > >>> Well, I object. There is no reason we should allow you to reclaim
> > your
> > > >>> assets from a badly designed scam contract. I intend, with 2 Agoran
> > > >>> consent, to destroy the contract "Hi".
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -Aris
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 7:13 PM Ned Strange <
> > edwardostra...@gmail.com>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > >  I object and intend to amend "Hi!" without objection to have the new
> > >  text "VJ Rada can transfer all assets in this contract to emself by
> > >  announcement".
> > > 
> > >  On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ned Strange <
> > > edwardostra...@gmail.com>
> > >  wrote:
> > >  > I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without objection. The
> > > new
> > >  > text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all assets
> > > from
> > >  > this contract by announcement".
> > >  >
> > >  > --
> > >  > From V.J. Rada
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  --
> > >  From V.J. Rada
> > > 
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> From V.J. Rada
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > From V.J. Rada
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > From V.J. Rada
> > >
> >
>