Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of 7931-7953

2017-11-05 Thread ATMunn 

I vote:

7948: FOR.
7949: AGAINST.
7950: FOR.
7951: FOR.
7952: FOR.
7953: FOR.

On 11/5/2017 9:53 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:

You did not.

On 11/05/2017 09:48 PM, ATMunn wrote:

I have no idea if I voted on these or not.

On 11/5/2017 9:45 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:

I issue a humiliating public reminder on proposals 7948 through 7953.

On 10/30/2017 01:48 AM, Aris Merchant wrote:

I accept Alexis' CoE with regard to the most recent proposal
distribution.
The following is a revision, effective immediately.

I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
quorum is 8.0 and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is
also a valid vote, as are valid conditional votes).

ID Author(s)  AI   Title    Pender
Pend fee
---

7931*  G. 3.0  Registration fix finally G.
1 sh.
7932*  ATMunn, [1]    1.0  A Reward for Obedience v5    ATMunn
1 AP
7933*  Alexis 3.0  Ribbon Preservation Act  Alexis
1 sh.
7934*  天火狐  1.0  Poetry Duel Challenge Writ   天火狐   OP
[2]
7935*  Trigon 3.0  Revision Limits v2   Trigon
1 AP
7936*  V.J. Rada  2.0  Print Money  V.J. Rada
1 AP
7937*  V.J. Rada, o   2.0  I Demand Faster Auctions V.J. Rada
1 AP
7938*  Aris   3.0  Fix Campaign Proposals   Aris
1 AP
7939*  V.J. Rada  1.0  Repeal the Reportor  V.J. Rada
1 sh.
7940*  Alexis, [3]    3.0  High Power Cleanup   Alexis
1 sh.
7941*  Alexis 1.0  HTML Scrubbing   Alexis
1 sh.
7942*  Alexis 1.0  No List Prefixes Alexis
1 sh.
7943*  ATMunn 2.0  Mini fixes   ATMunn
1 sh.
7944*  Trigon 2.0  Who's the Secretary? Trigon
1 AP
7945*  Telnaior   1.0  Name and Shame   Telnaior
1 AP
7946*  Telnaior   3.0  MASUAC [4]   Telnaior
1 AP
7947*  V.J. Rada, [5] 3.0  MCVotA [6]   V.J. Rada
2 sh.
7948*  o  1.0  FV Restoration   o
2 sh.
7949*  V.J. Rada  3.0  HYGAVTFT [7] V.J. Rada
2 sh.
7950*  G. 2.0  B!   G.
OP [2]
7951*  G. 1.0  Zombie Auctions  G.
OP [2]
7952*  G. 2.0  It LIVES G.
1 AP
7953*  Alexis 3.0  Vote Specification Fix   Alexis
1 AP

The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals
non-campaign
proposals:

ID    Author(s) AI   Title
---

pp1   Alexis    1.7  A Most Ingenious Paradox
pp2   nichdel   2.0  Asset Auctions

The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals campaign
proposals:

ID    Author(s) AI   Title    Office  Committed?
---

cp1   o 2.0  More Estates Surveyor    False
cp2   V.J. Rada 1.0  A-SC [8] Agronomist  False
cp3   o 2.0  Farm No More Agronomist  False


Legend: * : Proposal is pending.

[1] Aris, Alexis, G.
[2] Official Proposal, inherently pending
[3] G., Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
[4] More Actions Should Use Agoran Consent
[5] Telnaior
[6] More Controversial Version of the Above
[7] Hopefully you guys all vote for this
[8] Agronomist-Surveyor Combination

A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value
in shines (see the Treasuror's report).

The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below.

//
ID: 7931
Title: Registration fix finally
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: G.
Co-authors:


[It looks like we have various ways for players to make money now so
the re-registration bug can be fixed.  Also clearly defines the verb
"to register" and makes it clear that registered persons can't "re"
register].


Amend Rule 869 (How to Join and Leave Agora) by replacing:

    Citizenship is a person switch with values Unregistered
    (default) and Registered, tracked by the Registrar.  Changes to
    citizenship are secured.  A registered person is a Player.

    A person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or prevented by the
    rules) register by publishing a message that indicates
    reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously that e intends
    to become a player at that time.  A person, by registering,
    agrees to abide by the Rules.  The Rules CANNOT otherwise bind a
    person to abide by any agreement without that person's willful
    consent.

    A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
    If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.

with:

    Citizenship is a person switch w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of 7931-7953

2017-11-05 Thread VJ Rada 
I vote PRESENT on 7953.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You did not.
>
> On 11/05/2017 09:48 PM, ATMunn wrote:
> > I have no idea if I voted on these or not.
> >
> > On 11/5/2017 9:45 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> I issue a humiliating public reminder on proposals 7948 through 7953.
> >>
> >> On 10/30/2017 01:48 AM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >>> I accept Alexis' CoE with regard to the most recent proposal
> >>> distribution.
> >>> The following is a revision, effective immediately.
> >>>
> >>> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> >>> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> >>> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> >>> quorum is 8.0 and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is
> >>> also a valid vote, as are valid conditional votes).
> >>>
> >>> ID Author(s)  AI   TitlePender
> >>> Pend fee
> >>> 
> ---
> >>>
> >>> 7931*  G. 3.0  Registration fix finally G.
> >>> 1 sh.
> >>> 7932*  ATMunn, [1]1.0  A Reward for Obedience v5ATMunn
> >>> 1 AP
> >>> 7933*  Alexis 3.0  Ribbon Preservation Act  Alexis
> >>> 1 sh.
> >>> 7934*  天火狐  1.0  Poetry Duel Challenge Writ   天火狐   OP
> >>> [2]
> >>> 7935*  Trigon 3.0  Revision Limits v2   Trigon
> >>> 1 AP
> >>> 7936*  V.J. Rada  2.0  Print Money  V.J. Rada
> >>> 1 AP
> >>> 7937*  V.J. Rada, o   2.0  I Demand Faster Auctions V.J. Rada
> >>> 1 AP
> >>> 7938*  Aris   3.0  Fix Campaign Proposals   Aris
> >>> 1 AP
> >>> 7939*  V.J. Rada  1.0  Repeal the Reportor  V.J. Rada
> >>> 1 sh.
> >>> 7940*  Alexis, [3]3.0  High Power Cleanup   Alexis
> >>> 1 sh.
> >>> 7941*  Alexis 1.0  HTML Scrubbing   Alexis
> >>> 1 sh.
> >>> 7942*  Alexis 1.0  No List Prefixes Alexis
> >>> 1 sh.
> >>> 7943*  ATMunn 2.0  Mini fixes   ATMunn
> >>> 1 sh.
> >>> 7944*  Trigon 2.0  Who's the Secretary? Trigon
> >>> 1 AP
> >>> 7945*  Telnaior   1.0  Name and Shame   Telnaior
> >>> 1 AP
> >>> 7946*  Telnaior   3.0  MASUAC [4]   Telnaior
> >>> 1 AP
> >>> 7947*  V.J. Rada, [5] 3.0  MCVotA [6]   V.J. Rada
> >>> 2 sh.
> >>> 7948*  o  1.0  FV Restoration   o
> >>> 2 sh.
> >>> 7949*  V.J. Rada  3.0  HYGAVTFT [7] V.J. Rada
> >>> 2 sh.
> >>> 7950*  G. 2.0  B!   G.
> >>> OP [2]
> >>> 7951*  G. 1.0  Zombie Auctions  G.
> >>> OP [2]
> >>> 7952*  G. 2.0  It LIVES G.
> >>> 1 AP
> >>> 7953*  Alexis 3.0  Vote Specification Fix   Alexis
> >>> 1 AP
> >>>
> >>> The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals
> >>> non-campaign
> >>> proposals:
> >>>
> >>> IDAuthor(s) AI   Title
> >>> 
> ---
> >>>
> >>> pp1   Alexis1.7  A Most Ingenious Paradox
> >>> pp2   nichdel   2.0  Asset Auctions
> >>>
> >>> The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals campaign
> >>> proposals:
> >>>
> >>> IDAuthor(s) AI   TitleOffice  Committed?
> >>> 
> ---
> >>>
> >>> cp1   o 2.0  More Estates SurveyorFalse
> >>> cp2   V.J. Rada 1.0  A-SC [8] Agronomist  False
> >>> cp3   o 2.0  Farm No More Agronomist  False
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Legend: * : Proposal is pending.
> >>>
> >>> [1] Aris, Alexis, G.
> >>> [2] Official Proposal, inherently pending
> >>> [3] G., Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>> [4] More Actions Should Use Agoran Consent
> >>> [5] Telnaior
> >>> [6] More Controversial Version of the Above
> >>> [7] Hopefully you guys all vote for this
> >>> [8] Agronomist-Surveyor Combination
> >>>
> >>> A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value
> >>> in shines (see the Treasuror's report).
> >>>
> >>> The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below.
> >>>
> >>> //
> >>> ID: 7931
> >>> Title: Registration fix finally
> >>> Adoption index: 3.0
> >>> Author: G.
> >>> Co-authors:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [It looks like we have various ways for players to make money now so
> >>> the re-registration bug can be fixed.  Also clearly defines the verb
> >>> "to register" and makes it clear that registered persons can't "re"
> >>> register].
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Amend Rule 869 (How to Join and Leave Agora) by replacing:
> >>>
> >>>Citizenship is a person switch with values Unregistered
> >>>(default

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of 7931-7953

2017-11-05 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
I also extend the voting period on the decision to adopt proposals 7948
through 7953 by 7 days. You did not vote on 7953.

On 11/05/2017 09:47 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
> You'll need to also announce the extension of the voting period.
>
> I've voted on those, right?
>
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  > wrote:
>
> I issue a humiliating public reminder on proposals 7948 through 7953.
>
> On 10/30/2017 01:48 AM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > I accept Alexis' CoE with regard to the most recent proposal
> distribution.
> > The following is a revision, effective immediately.
> >
> > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> > quorum is 8.0 and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is
> > also a valid vote, as are valid conditional votes).
> >
> > ID     Author(s)      AI   Title                        Pender      
> Pend fee
> >
> 
> ---
> > 7931*  G.             3.0  Registration fix finally     G.          1 
> sh.
> > 7932*  ATMunn, [1]    1.0  A Reward for Obedience v5    ATMunn      1 AP
> > 7933*  Alexis         3.0  Ribbon Preservation Act      Alexis      1 
> sh.
> > 7934*  天火狐          1.0  Poetry Duel Challenge Writ   天火狐       OP [2]
> > 7935*  Trigon         3.0  Revision Limits v2           Trigon      1 AP
> > 7936*  V.J. Rada      2.0  Print Money                  V.J. Rada   1 AP
> > 7937*  V.J. Rada, o   2.0  I Demand Faster Auctions     V.J. Rada   1 AP
> > 7938*  Aris           3.0  Fix Campaign Proposals       Aris        1 AP
> > 7939*  V.J. Rada      1.0  Repeal the Reportor          V.J. Rada   1 
> sh.
> > 7940*  Alexis, [3]    3.0  High Power Cleanup           Alexis      1 
> sh.
> > 7941*  Alexis         1.0  HTML Scrubbing               Alexis      1 
> sh.
> > 7942*  Alexis         1.0  No List Prefixes             Alexis      1 
> sh.
> > 7943*  ATMunn         2.0  Mini fixes                   ATMunn      1 
> sh.
> > 7944*  Trigon         2.0  Who's the Secretary?         Trigon      1 AP
> > 7945*  Telnaior       1.0  Name and Shame               Telnaior    1 AP
> > 7946*  Telnaior       3.0  MASUAC [4]                   Telnaior    1 AP
> > 7947*  V.J. Rada, [5] 3.0  MCVotA [6]                   V.J. Rada   2 
> sh.
> > 7948*  o              1.0  FV Restoration               o           2 
> sh.
> > 7949*  V.J. Rada      3.0  HYGAVTFT [7]                 V.J. Rada   2 
> sh.
> > 7950*  G.             2.0  B!                       G.          OP 
> [2]
> > 7951*  G.             1.0  Zombie Auctions              G.          OP 
> [2]
> > 7952*  G.             2.0  It LIVES                     G.          1 AP
> > 7953*  Alexis         3.0  Vote Specification Fix       Alexis      1 AP
> >
> > The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals 
> non-campaign
> > proposals:
> >
> > ID    Author(s)     AI   Title
> > 
> ---
> > pp1   Alexis        1.7  A Most Ingenious Paradox
> > pp2   nichdel       2.0  Asset Auctions
> >
> > The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals
> campaign
> > proposals:
> >
> > ID    Author(s)     AI   Title                Office      Committed?
> >
> 
> ---
> > cp1   o             2.0  More Estates         Surveyor    False
> > cp2   V.J. Rada     1.0  A-SC [8]             Agronomist  False
> > cp3   o             2.0  Farm No More         Agronomist  False
> >
> >
> > Legend: * : Proposal is pending.
> >
> > [1] Aris, Alexis, G.
> > [2] Official Proposal, inherently pending
> > [3] G., Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > [4] More Actions Should Use Agoran Consent
> > [5] Telnaior
> > [6] More Controversial Version of the Above
> > [7] Hopefully you guys all vote for this
> > [8] Agronomist-Surveyor Combination
> >
> > A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value
> > in shines (see the Treasuror's report).
> >
> > The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below.
> >
> >
> //
> > ID: 7931
> > Title: Registration fix finally
> > Adoption index: 3.0
> > Author: G.
> > Co-authors:
> >
> >
> > [It looks like we have various ways for players to make money now so
> > the re-registration bug can be fixed.  Also clearly defines the verb
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of 7931-7953

2017-10-30 Thread Alex Smith 
On Mon, 2017-10-30 at 18:34 +1100, VJ Rada wrote:
> On that proposal, I vote AGAINST. Unless JAtC makes that illegal. In
> which case I vote PRESENT, or if that's illegal, I do not vote.

I suspect "unless JAtC makes it illegal" makes the conditional too
ambiguous to evaluate, given that the contract is entirely subjective
(and somewhat self-undermining, given that it invalidates its own
text). So if you're doing this, you're probably removing your own
ability to vote.

-- 
ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of 7931-7953

2017-10-30 Thread VJ Rada 
On that proposal, I vote AGAINST. Unless JAtC makes that illegal. In
which case I vote PRESENT, or if that's illegal, I do not vote.

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Reuben Staley  wrote:
> On proposal 7946 you voted "AGANST" when in fact you probably meant
> "AGAINST"
>
> --
> Trigon
>
> On Oct 30, 2017 1:07 AM, "VJ Rada"  wrote:
>
> Please explaIn?
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Reuben Staley 
> wrote:
>> "AGANST" is not a valid vote :P
>>
>> --
>> Trigon
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:03 AM, "VJ Rada"  wrote:
>>
>> These votes are overridden if the contract JA:tC makes any of them
>> illegal. Any illegal vote is overridden by PRESENT, unless that is
>> also illegal, in which case I do not vote.
>>
>> 7931: FOR
>> 7932: FOR
>> 7933: FOR
>> 7934: AGAINST
>> 7935: FOR
>> 7936: FOR
>> 7937: AGAINST
>> 7938: FOR
>> 7939: FOR
>> 7940: FOR
>> 7941: FOR
>> 7942: AGAINST
>> 7943: FOR
>> 7944: FOR
>> 7945: FOR
>> 7946: AGANST
>> 7947: AGAINST
>> 7948: FOR
>> 7949: FOR
>> 7950: FOR
>> 7951: FOR
>> 7952: FOR
>> 7953: FOR
>>
>> Too many proposals dot com.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Aris Merchant
>>  wrote:
>>> I vote as follows:
>>>

 ID Author(s)  AI   TitlePender  Pend
 fee


 ---
 7931*  G. 3.0  Registration fix finally G.  1
 sh.
>>> FOR
 7932*  ATMunn, [1]1.0  A Reward for Obedience v5ATMunn  1 AP
>>> FOR
 7933*  Alexis 3.0  Ribbon Preservation Act  Alexis  1
 sh.
>>> FOR
 7934*  天火狐  1.0  Poetry Duel Challenge Writ   天火狐   OP [2]
>>>
>>> AGAINST. Too confusing.
>>>
 7935*  Trigon 3.0  Revision Limits v2   Trigon  1 AP
>>>
>>> AGAINST. Officers who are just trying to do their jobs shouldn't be
>>> punished, even with loss of pay.
>>>
 7936*  V.J. Rada  2.0  Print Money  V.J. Rada   1 AP
>>>
>>> FOR. I'm tired of economic problems.
>>>
 7937*  V.J. Rada, o   2.0  I Demand Faster Auctions V.J. Rada   1 AP
>>> FOR
 7938*  Aris   3.0  Fix Campaign Proposals   Aris1 AP
>>> FOR
 7939*  V.J. Rada  1.0  Repeal the Reportor  V.J. Rada   1
 sh.
>>>
>>> AGAINST. The Reportor is an valuable officer, and our current Reportor
>>> is doing a great job.
>>>
 7940*  Alexis, [3]3.0  High Power Cleanup   Alexis  1
 sh.
>>> FOR
 7941*  Alexis 1.0  HTML Scrubbing   Alexis  1
 sh.
>>> FOR
 7942*  Alexis 1.0  No List Prefixes Alexis  1
 sh.
>>>
>>> AGAINST. I find these quite useful.
>>>
 7943*  ATMunn 2.0  Mini fixes   ATMunn  1
 sh.
>>> FOR
 7944*  Trigon 2.0  Who's the Secretary? Trigon  1 AP
>>> FOR
 7945*  Telnaior   1.0  Name and Shame   Telnaior1 AP
>>> ENDORSE the Assessor.
 7946*  Telnaior   3.0  MASUAC [4]   Telnaior1 AP
>>> AGAINST
 7947*  V.J. Rada, [5] 3.0  MCVotA [6]   V.J. Rada   2
 sh.
>>> AGAINST
 7948*  o  1.0  FV Restoration   o   2
 sh.
>>> FOR
 7949*  V.J. Rada  3.0  HYGAVTFT [7] V.J. Rada   2
 sh.
>>> AGAINST
 7950*  G. 2.0  B!   G.  OP
 [2]
>>>
>>> FOR. The mechanic seems interesting, and is a good way of raising money.
>>>
 7951*  G. 1.0  Zombie Auctions  G.  OP
 [2]
>>> FOR
 7952*  G. 2.0  It LIVES G.  1 AP
>>> FOR
 7953*  Alexis 3.0  Vote Specification Fix   Alexis  1 AP
>>> FOR
>>>
>>> -Aris
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J. Rada
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada
>
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada