Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.

2017-07-13 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jul 9, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Aris Merchant  
wrote:

> I point my finger at CuddleBeam for violation of Rule 2471. I argue
> that air actions were so implausible that e could not reasonably have
> believed them, and that at the very least e is absurdly negligent.
> Given that this is having a huge impact on the players and the game
> (look at the deregistrations), I recommend a sentence of a Red Card.


I find this finger-pointing to be Shenanigans, based on the testimony of the 
accused:

> I wouldn't have written that wall of text if I didn't believe it had at least 
> a slither of chance of working.


Quite a number of scams in Agora’s past have relied on creative interpretations 
of the rules, and while I personally believe there’s no way this scam could 
work, I believe carding Cuddlebeam would unjustifiably punish em for a bona 
fide attempt.

Had I found otherwise, I would have issued a Yellow Card, not a Red Card. In 
spite of the colour theme of the Cards, I find that a Yellow Card is 
considerably more severe than a Red Card, especially if paired with a 
challenging word list. It’s also easier to justify a Yellow Card in the face of 
the accusations against Cuddlebeam in this finger-pointing. (This is, perhaps, 
not working as intended.)

Instead, I’ll reinforce ais523’s advice to find a co-conspirator for future 
scams, and 天火狐’s observation that such tactics have very much worn out their 
welcome.

-o



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.

2017-07-09 Thread Aris Merchant
I point my finger at CuddleBeam for violation of Rule 2471. I argue
that air actions were so implausible that e could not reasonably have
believed them, and that at the very least e is absurdly negligent.
Given that this is having a huge impact on the players and the game
(look at the deregistrations), I recommend a sentence of a Red Card.

-Aris

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:
> I would support, with a fair implementation.
>
> I point my finger at CB for failure to treat Agora Right Good Forever.
>
> I previously deregistered because I thought my explosive response to CB
> was my own issue, that e needed time to adjust, and I needed time to
> cool off. But I'm now convinced that's not the case. Everything CB does
> disrespects the time, effort, and feelings of every other player.
>
> I challenge people who are on the fence about this to point to a single
> time that CB has considered other players, or done necessary work, or
> done anything at all to make the game better or more enjoyable to anyone
> but emself.


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.

2017-07-09 Thread Nic Evans
I would support, with a fair implementation.

I point my finger at CB for failure to treat Agora Right Good Forever.

I previously deregistered because I thought my explosive response to CB
was my own issue, that e needed time to adjust, and I needed time to
cool off. But I'm now convinced that's not the case. Everything CB does
disrespects the time, effort, and feelings of every other player.

I challenge people who are on the fence about this to point to a single
time that CB has considered other players, or done necessary work, or
done anything at all to make the game better or more enjoyable to anyone
but emself.

On 07/09/17 20:15, Aris Merchant wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 5:53 PM, CuddleBeam  wrote:
>> Via "An asset generally CAN be transferred (syn. payed, given) by its owner
>> to another entity by announcement", I announce that I transfer all assets to
>> myself.
>>
>> How?
>>
>> Because "by announcement", which is the method; "An asset generally CAN be
>> transferred (syn. payed, given) by its owner to another entity"
>>
>> So by announcement, I can make it so there is a transfer (performed by the
>> owner, apparently, but demanded to be so by me) to another entity, which is
>> me.
> That doesn't even make a little bit of sense, and it would need to do
> more than that to get people to believe it. Would people object if I
> tried to bring back black cards, except this time they would be the
> equivalent of an old fashioned sentence of EXILE? I've about had it
> with all this. I'm trying to be friendly, and welcoming, and all that,
> but you've gotten so many people to deregister, and created so many
> convoluted and unnecessary messes...
>
> -Aris




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