DIS: Re: BUS: Banking, Farming, and RBoA amendment

2008-08-18 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I withdraw an 8 crop for 98 chits. (I should have 50 now.)

 I deposit a 5 crop for 77 chits. (I should have 137 now.)

Bad math here.

 I deposit 3 0 crops for 120 chits. (197 now.)

and here.


 If I calculated things right, there are 7187 chits in existence, and I
 hold 792 of them.

You are at 842 chits of a total of 7237 chits. All your actions are
still successful.

BobTHJ


DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Suggestion: Use the existing mechanism in rule 2198

2008-08-18 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:18 AM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you include the header and s as part of the proposal or don't
 enter its adoption index as 1.5, I will bite you.

It's fairly likely that the PNP will be the Promotor soon, so you'll
be able to bite yourself.


DIS: Re: BUS: paradox CFJ

2008-08-18 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 09:01 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
 I intend, with 2 support, to initiate a criminal CFJ alleging that
 tusho violated Rule 2110 by failing to make a reasonable attempt to
 resolve the paradox by which e won as soon as possible after winning
 by paradox.
 
 --Wooble

It is possible that tusho's voting for my proposals that attempted to
resolve the paradox were a reasonable attempt to resolve the paradox.

I also note that some of my proposals that attempted to resolve the
paradox failed, so the possibility for the paradox is still there.
(The /actual/ paradox was resolved voluntarily by comex when e performed
an action that unified the two possible gamestates, but I had already by
then a proposal that would have unified the gamestates by force.)
-- 
ais523


DIS: Re: OFF: [IADOP] Rulekeepor election

2008-08-18 Thread Josiah Worcester
On 21:14 Wed 13 Aug , Geoffrey Spear wrote:
 This message serves to initiate the Agoran Decision to choose the
 holder of the Rulekeepor position.  The eligible voters are the active
 players and the vote collector is the IADOP.
 
 The valid options are zefram (who is inactive), Wooble, and comex.
 
 All other nominees explicitly declined their nominations with the
 exception of root, who is inactive and who was nominated during the
 second half of the nomination period.
 
 -IADOP Wooble

If Zefram is active by the time this election is resolved, I vote
zefram. Otherwise, I vote comex.


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADOP] Rulekeepor election

2008-08-18 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote:

 If Zefram is active by the time this election is resolved, I vote
 zefram. Otherwise, I vote comex.

NttPF.



DIS: Re: BUS: reregistering

2008-08-18 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 10:28 -0500, Chester Mealer wrote:
 I resume being cdm014. If the previous statement was not a possible
 action, I register or reregister under the name cdm014 choosing the
 action which best communicates that I was previously an active player
 called cdm014 and wish to be so again.

I'm treating this as causing cdm014 to become active (e was previously
registered but inactive, as far as I can tell).

-- 
ais523


DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2115 judged UNDECIDABLE by woggle

2008-08-18 Thread ais523
On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 23:35 -0400, comex wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 
  Judge woggle's Arguments:
 
  I judge UNDECIDABLE. See also the precedent of CFJ 1787.
 
  
 
 I intend to appeal this judgement with 2 support.
 
I don't, as it's appropriate, and the UNDECIDABLE doesn't lead to a win
by paradox as the paradox arises from the CFJ itself.
-- 
ais523


DIS: Registrar Report online

2008-08-18 Thread Alexander Smith
I've put the registrar-report-in-progress online at
http://agora.eso-std.org/registrar-report. (tusho hasn't made an HTML
version of this yet, but knowing em it's only a matter of time.) For
protection against email harvesting it uses = rather than @ in email
addresses.

I would put the Mad Scientist report online too, but there doesn't seem
to be one.
-- 
Mad Scientist, Notary and Registrar ais523


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DIS: Proto: [Scorekeepor] Scoreboard

2008-08-18 Thread Roger Hicks
Scorekeepor's Scoreboard

Time of last report: Sun, 29 Jun 2008
Time of this report:

(All times are in UTC.  Precision in timing not guaranteed.)

Player Score

ais52340
BobTHJ12
comex  2
Eris   1
Iammars   62
Murphy28
OscarMeyr 26
Pavitra2
pikhq 26
Quazie 1
root  20
Wooble15
Zefram 9

All other players have a score of 0.

Score Index: 0
Agora is presently in Overtime


Contests


Contest:Agoran Agricultural Association
Contestmaster:  BobTHJ
Awardable Pts:  70

Contest:Enigma
Contestmaster:  ais523
Awardable Pts:  55

Contest:Fantasy Rules Contest
Contestmaster:  root
Awardable Pts:  30

Contest:The Werewolves of Agora Nomic
Contestmaster:  Murphy
Awardable Pts:  45

Contest:Points Relay Service
Contestmaster:  BobTHJ
Awardable Pts:  40


Recent Events (* indicates double award due to overtime)
--
--- Time of last report ---
Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:40 - ais523 +4 points (AAA)
Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:12 - Wooble +8 points (AAA)
Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:16 - Murphy +4 points (AAA)
Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:50 - ais523 +4 points (AAA)
Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:02 - Murphy +6 points (AAA)
Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:05 - Murphy places Agora in Overtime
Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:43 - OscarMeyr +8* points (AAA)
Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:30 - ais523 +32* points (PRS)


DIS: Contestmaster Awards

2008-08-18 Thread Roger Hicks
If you have served as the contestmaster of a contest during the months
of June or July and have fulfilled all your obligations under that
contest please post (to a public forum) a statement that you have done
so, along with the number of contestants in that contest for each of
those months.

Thanks!
Scorekeepor BobTHJ


Re: ?spam? BUS: Re: DIS: Contestmaster Awards

2008-08-18 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 21:21 +0100, ais523 wrote:
 On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 14:05 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote:
  If you have served as the contestmaster of a contest during the months
  of June or July and have fulfilled all your obligations under that
  contest please post (to a public forum) a statement that you have done
  so, along with the number of contestants in that contest for each of
  those months.
  
  Thanks!
  Scorekeepor BobTHJ
 I've been contestmaster of Enigma throughout all of July and some of
 June, and have fulfilled all my obligations under that contest (which
 would have been more difficult had some players actually tried posting
 problems for it...). Enigma has had 10 contestants, 9 of which are
 first-class, and all of which are registered, throughout July.
I'd also like to remind all Enigma players that submitting problems for
Enigma is a good way to earn points, particularly valuable now we're in
overtime. If nobody submits problems, the contest will just sit there
doing nothing...
-- 
ais523


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5673-5673

2008-08-18 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 14:07 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote:
 ais523 wrote:
 
  On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 15:38 -0700, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote:
  NUM  C I AI  SUBMITTER   TITLE
  I vote as follows
  5673 D 2 3.1 fds test
  FORx1 (it's Democratic).
 
 Since the PNP is not Promotor, the alleged distribution did not
 distribute that proposal, and may or may not have submitted it.
Yes, I was just wondering what would happen. Another case for the
courts, I expect, just not sure how to word it.
-- 
ais523


Re: DIS: Contestmaster Awards

2008-08-18 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote:

 If you have served as the contestmaster of a contest during the months
 of June or July and have fulfilled all your obligations under that
 contest please post (to a public forum) a statement that you have done
 so, along with the number of contestants in that contest for each of
 those months.

I have been contestmaster of The Werewolves of Agora Nomic since
mid-June.  TTBOMK, I have fulfilled all my obligations under it,
and it has had 9 contestants (root, Zefram, Wooble, ais523, tusho,
comex, Quazie, Pavitra, and avpx) since a few days after forming.



Re: DIS: Contestmaster Awards

2008-08-18 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 14:12 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote:
 BobTHJ wrote:
 
  If you have served as the contestmaster of a contest during the months
  of June or July and have fulfilled all your obligations under that
  contest please post (to a public forum) a statement that you have done
  so, along with the number of contestants in that contest for each of
  those months.
 
 I have been contestmaster of The Werewolves of Agora Nomic since
 mid-June.  TTBOMK, I have fulfilled all my obligations under it,
 and it has had 9 contestants (root, Zefram, Wooble, ais523, tusho,
 comex, Quazie, Pavitra, and avpx) since a few days after forming.

tusho wasn't always a player of Agora throughout that time, though; I
can't remember offhand whether that makes a difference.
-- 
ais523


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5673-5673

2008-08-18 Thread Charles Reiss
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 15:10, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 14:07 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote:
 ais523 wrote:

  On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 15:38 -0700, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote:
  NUM  C I AI  SUBMITTER   TITLE
  I vote as follows
  5673 D 2 3.1 fds test
  FORx1 (it's Democratic).

 Since the PNP is not Promotor, the alleged distribution did not
 distribute that proposal, and may or may not have submitted it.
 Yes, I was just wondering what would happen. Another case for the
 courts, I expect, just not sure how to word it.

The PNP should conditionally retract the proposal, which will work well enough.

-woggle


DIS: Re: BUS: paradox CFJ

2008-08-18 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/8/18 Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I intend, with 2 support, to initiate a criminal CFJ alleging that
 tusho violated Rule 2110 by failing to make a reasonable attempt to
 resolve the paradox by which e won as soon as possible after winning
 by paradox.

 --Wooble


I talked with ais523 and we agreed that since mine was just a silly copycat
my cleanup would be voting for eir cleanup proposals. If that's not OK, /shrug


DIS: Re: BUS: Poobah Caste Shuffle

2008-08-18 Thread Kerim Aydin

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Kerim Aydin wrote:
 On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Roger Hicks wrote:
 As required, I adjust player castes for the month of August as follows:

 Promoted to Alpha: Taral
 Promoted to Beta: BobTHJ
 Promoted to Gamma: Quazie
 Promoted to Delta: Ivan Hope

 Demoted to Delta:
 Zefram
 AFO
 OscarMeyr

 Demoted to Epsilon:
 avpx
 ais523
 comex
 woggle
 Pavitra
 PNP
 Goethe

 COE:  please check that these succeeded, given the incorrect caste
 designation you gave for me.  -Goethe

Actually, this is interesting.  BobTHJ couldn't demote me to Epsilon, 
because I was gamma, so the very last action failed.  Going back and 
doing just me would put things out of order by the complicated rules 
of demotion.  Or not.  How much of the whole thing fails because a small 
piece failed?  Holy Card Propagation Error!

-Goethe








Re: DIS: Contestmaster Awards

2008-08-18 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/8/18 Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 BobTHJ wrote:

 If you have served as the contestmaster of a contest during the months
 of June or July and have fulfilled all your obligations under that
 contest please post (to a public forum) a statement that you have done
 so, along with the number of contestants in that contest for each of
 those months.

 I have been contestmaster of The Werewolves of Agora Nomic since
 mid-June.  TTBOMK, I have fulfilled all my obligations under it,
 and it has had 9 contestants (root, Zefram, Wooble, ais523, tusho,
 comex, Quazie, Pavitra, and avpx) since a few days after forming.



nttpf


DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Grand Poobah] Caste Report

2008-08-18 Thread Kerim Aydin

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 GAMMA (Voting Limit: 3)
  Wooble

 CoE: I increased my caste to Beta in the message with ID
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In this case, all demotions failed, as BobTHJ would have had to demote 
a Beta first.  (I think once you do skip a step, everything after that is 
platonically blocked because the CAN implied with the SHALL is pegged 
to doing things in order, if you do it out of order, you no longer CAN).
Agreements/disagreements with this interpretation?

  At the beginning of each month, each Alpha's caste is flipped to
  eir default value.  As soon as possible after the beginning of
  each month, the Grand Poobah SHALL do the following, in order,
  at each step choosing (if possible) a player who has not yet
  been chosen during the current procedure:

1) Promotions.  At each step, the Grand Poobah SHALL choose a
   player whose caste is as high as possible without equalling
   or exceeding the new caste:

   a) Flip a player's caste to Alpha
   b) Flip a player's caste to Beta
   c) Flip a player's caste to Gamma
   d) Flip a player's caste to Delta

2) Demotions.  Each step is repeated as many times as needed.

   b-c) While there are more than two Betas,
   flip a Beta's caste to Gamma
   c-d) While there are more than three Gammas,
   flip a Gamma's caste to Delta
   d-e) While there are more than four Deltas,
   flip a Delta's caste to Epsilon
   



Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Grand Poobah] Caste Report

2008-08-18 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote:

 In this case, all demotions failed, as BobTHJ would have had to demote 
 a Beta first.  (I think once you do skip a step, everything after that is 
 platonically blocked because the CAN implied with the SHALL is pegged 
 to doing things in order, if you do it out of order, you no longer CAN).
 Agreements/disagreements with this interpretation?

Agreed, but e CAN pick up where e left off.  (But does SHALL
successfully imply CAN?  The rule never says by announcement.)