DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Resolving the Registrar Election
On Fri, 15 May 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Note: Arnold Bros (est. 1905) and coppro voted in conditional circularity. Votes: 10 Quorum: 11 FAILED QUORUM is selected by Agora. I love how this was conveniently not mentioned in the Elections Failing Quorum post, which just happened to benefit the person who posted the message and was losing the election 10-0. While I'm all for a re-election, I don't think that failure to report or perhaps notice a conditional circularity (when lack of circularity would have made it above quorum) is a sign of malice. -Goethe
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Resolving the Registrar Election
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: While I'm all for a re-election, I don't think that failure to report or perhaps notice a conditional circularity (when lack of circularity would have made it above quorum) is a sign of malice. The fact that e retracted eir own vote for emself seems like pretty good evidence e knew it was going to fail quorum by 1 vote.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2500 assigned to Rodlen
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: You are correct. However, the answer to Do we need to consider the difference between regular and Agoran days? is yes. The only difference is that regular days start at midnight local time, which gives at least 6 different times for the current active players, while Agoran days begin at midnight UTC. I'm not aware of anyone who thinks that 4PM today and 2PM tomorrow are part of the same day.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Resolving the Registrar Election
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: While I'm all for a re-election, I don't think that failure to report or perhaps notice a conditional circularity (when lack of circularity would have made it above quorum) is a sign of malice. The fact that e retracted eir own vote for emself seems like pretty good evidence e knew it was going to fail quorum by 1 vote. Perfectly legitimate mini-scam. Blame the rule, not the abuser.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Resolving the Registrar Election
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:21 AM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: While I'm all for a re-election, I don't think that failure to report or perhaps notice a conditional circularity (when lack of circularity would have made it above quorum) is a sign of malice. The fact that e retracted eir own vote for emself seems like pretty good evidence e knew it was going to fail quorum by 1 vote. Perfectly legitimate mini-scam. Blame the rule, not the abuser. e retracted a while ago, so i feel like its hard to say e knew it was coming. If the known circularity in coppro-ehrid's votes was fixed OR OscarMeyr had voted then it would have passed. I think that the doubling rule needs to be revamped though.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2500 assigned to Rodlen
On Fri, 15 May 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: You are correct. However, the answer to Do we need to consider the difference between regular and Agoran days? is yes. The only difference is that regular days start at midnight local time, which gives at least 6 different times for the current active players, while Agoran days begin at midnight UTC. I'm not aware of anyone who thinks that 4PM today and 2PM tomorrow are part of the same day. No I think the difference is that days as in span from an event are 24 hours from the event. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2500 assigned to Rodlen
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: No I think the difference is that days as in span from an event are 24 hours from the event. -G. That's the difference between a span and an epoch, though, not between days and Agoran days. An Agoran day is 24 hours, excluding leap seconds.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2500 assigned to Rodlen
Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: No I think the difference is that days as in span from an event are 24 hours from the event. -G. That's the difference between a span and an epoch, though, not between days and Agoran days. An Agoran day is 24 hours, excluding leap seconds. Leap seconds are part of the hour and minute they occur in, so an Agoran day is always exactly 24 hours.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2500 assigned to Rodlen
On Fri, 15 May 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: No I think the difference is that days as in span from an event are 24 hours from the event. -G. That's the difference between a span and an epoch, though, not between days and Agoran days. An Agoran day is 24 hours, excluding leap seconds. Days are either Agoran days or a span, I don't believe there's any justification for using a day unit otherwise. So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. -G.
DIS: Re: BUS: Deputization intent
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote:
Ed Murphy wrote:
Create a new power-1 rule reading as follows:
{{
The Herald SHALL, as soon as possible after the enactment of this
rule, initiate an Agoran Decision to award ais523 a degree for eir
thesis on the ruleset, as specified in rule 1367. When e does so,
e CAN and SHALL cause this rule to repeal itself in the same
message.
}}
I intend to deputize for Herald to initiate this Agoran Decision and to
repeal that rule.
Oh, I missed that. Why does the current ruleset not include the
quoted rule? It contains the other effects of R6257.
-root
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Resolving the Registrar Election
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I resolve the Agoran decision to decide the holder of the Registrar office. The votes are as follows: Wooble (10): comex, Human Point Two[1], Murphy, Pavitra, PNP, Quazie[1], root, Taral, Tiger, Wooble Yally (0): [1] endorsed Murphy Note: Arnold Bros (est. 1905) and coppro voted in conditional circularity. Votes: 10 Quorum: 11 FAILED QUORUM is selected by Agora. I love how this was conveniently not mentioned in the Elections Failing Quorum post, which just happened to benefit the person who posted the message and was losing the election 10-0. I nominate myself as Registrar. I nominate OscarMeyr as IADoP. There is already an onging election for IADoP.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deputization intent
Ian Kelly wrote:
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote:
Ed Murphy wrote:
Create a new power-1 rule reading as follows:
{{
The Herald SHALL, as soon as possible after the enactment of this
rule, initiate an Agoran Decision to award ais523 a degree for eir
thesis on the ruleset, as specified in rule 1367. When e does so,
e CAN and SHALL cause this rule to repeal itself in the same
message.
}}
I intend to deputize for Herald to initiate this Agoran Decision and to
repeal that rule.
Oh, I missed that. Why does the current ruleset not include the
quoted rule? It contains the other effects of R6257.
-root
Also, I apologize for posting intent without alerting you first; I
assumed due to you not performing other duties (including Scorekeepor
report and Champion awards) that you weren't here to perform the awards.
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census
Siege wrote: Taral wrote: Siege wrote: coppro wrote: I intend, without objection, to put Siege on hold. I object. It's been two weeks. Still hasn't done anything except cause the quorum to be higher than necessary. I intend, without objection, to make Siege inactive. I object. Siege, is there a specific reason you want to remain active? ... Oh no. It's in eir name. E's trying to lay siege to Agora. With enough invaders like em, it would be impossible to meet quorum on any decision. No proposals would ever go through. We're all doomed. DOOMED!
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Siege wrote: Taral wrote: Siege wrote: coppro wrote: I intend, without objection, to put Siege on hold. I object. It's been two weeks. Still hasn't done anything except cause the quorum to be higher than necessary. I intend, without objection, to make Siege inactive. I object. Siege, is there a specific reason you want to remain active? ... Oh no. It's in eir name. E's trying to lay siege to Agora. With enough invaders like em, it would be impossible to meet quorum on any decision. No proposals would ever go through. We're all doomed. DOOMED! Or we could just... you know... change the quorum rules.
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Janitor Election is FAILING QUORUM
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: The votes for Janitor are as follows: In all currently open elections, I vote for the first candidate (in alphabetical order) who has at least as many unconditional votes as any other candidate at the end of the voting period. -- Taral tar...@gmail.com Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown This ambiguous. Alphabetical order by what? Election title? Nickname? Nicknames aren't even officially tracked.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Janitor Election is FAILING QUORUM
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: This ambiguous. Alphabetical order by what? Election title? Nickname? Nicknames aren't even officially tracked. Bah, spoilsport. :D -- Taral tar...@gmail.com Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Or we could just... you know... change the quorum rules. Or the activity rules. In B nomic, one is only active in a sense if one has voted in the previous week. -- Taral tar...@gmail.com Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census
Why? On 2009-05-16, Christian Julius thesi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Christian Julius thesi...@gmail.com wrote: Sean Hunt wrote: I intend, without objection, to put Siege on hold. I object. It's been two weeks. Still hasn't done anything except cause the quorum to be higher than necessary. I intend, without objection, to make Siege inactive. -- Taral tar...@gmail.com Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown I object.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census
Oh god call me when it's over On 2009-05-16, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Siege wrote: Taral wrote: Siege wrote: coppro wrote: I intend, without objection, to put Siege on hold. I object. It's been two weeks. Still hasn't done anything except cause the quorum to be higher than necessary. I intend, without objection, to make Siege inactive. I object. Siege, is there a specific reason you want to remain active? ... Oh no. It's in eir name. E's trying to lay siege to Agora. With enough invaders like em, it would be impossible to meet quorum on any decision. No proposals would ever go through. We're all doomed. DOOMED!
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census
On Fri, 15 May 2009, Aaron Goldfein wrote: Or we could just... you know... change the quorum rules. No, too dangerous the other way. Better way is to penalize for repeated non-votes (e.g. current proposal to make non-voters inactive). Better would be rests for active players who don't vote in a given month. (used to be points penalties). -Goethe
