Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Second try on the long-term ambassador proposal
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Honestly a lot of this/almost all of this is up to the other Nomic. Not necessarily. In Tiger's BlogNomic post: I now wish to leave the game, but use this account to re-enter the game with my current screen name, Agora Nomic. As I am the ambassador of Agora, I will be playing on its behalf. playing on Agora's behalf is worded as a sort of attribute attached to Tiger joining the game. Since it's vague what that means, it was reasonable for BlogNomic to ignore it and consider Tiger to have joined the game for emself. In fact, I think we might have treated it the same way if Tiger had used this wording to join Agora on behalf of BlogNomic. But we could clearly specify the type of representation we want (assuming that we want to be recognized the same way we would recognize other nomics): Tiger is posting this message on Agora's behalf in the same sense that his web browser is posting it on his behalf. He is not attempting to perform any actions himself, but to act as a mechanical agent for Agora in the ways permitted by its ruleset. I, Agora Nomic, request to join the game. There is a good chance the other nomic will consider this ineffective, if only because they don't implicitly recognize legal persons as persons, but *if* it is accepted, it can only be Agora the abstract entity registering, not any kind of representative. So, Tiger could register on his own behalf and play separately; it doesn't matter who the Ambassador is or if there is none, as long as messages required to be sent by Agora are sent by some rule-defined process; etc. (Penalties might still be an interesting issue, although I think Agora only cares what is binding in its own jurisdiction, not what effect sending messages might have in someone else's platonic world.)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Second try on the long-term ambassador proposal
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: It really wouldn't make any difference what rule we pass here, it would be all up to their ruleset/interpretations of their own records. Except, of course, from Agora's point of view, where the CAN in the proposal would create a cascading legal fiction about Blognomic's gamestate.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Second try on the long-term ambassador proposal
On 18 August 2011 08:16, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Honestly a lot of this/almost all of this is up to the other Nomic. Not necessarily. In Tiger's BlogNomic post: I now wish to leave the game, but use this account to re-enter the game with my current screen name, Agora Nomic. As I am the ambassador of Agora, I will be playing on its behalf. For the record, the biggest reason for doing this by way of deregistering-reregistering rather than just stating that now I'm playing on Agora's behalf was because it was the easiest way I found of changing my screen name legally. - Tiger
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Second try on the long-term ambassador proposal
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: On 18 August 2011 08:16, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Honestly a lot of this/almost all of this is up to the other Nomic. Not necessarily. In Tiger's BlogNomic post: I now wish to leave the game, but use this account to re-enter the game with my current screen name, Agora Nomic. As I am the ambassador of Agora, I will be playing on its behalf. For the record, the biggest reason for doing this by way of deregistering-reregistering rather than just stating that now I'm playing on Agora's behalf was because it was the easiest way I found of changing my screen name legally. I'm not sure omd and I are actually disagreeing (versus obliquely saying the same thing). This last point is interesting; it's still up to the other nomic whether to treat this two records Agora via representative who hasn't re-registered and Tiger who just registered or treat it as one-and-the-same as they were both you. Whether they come and look at our game to see if you had an official mandate in judging between these options is again up to them. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Second try on the long-term ambassador proposal
On Thu, 2011-08-18 at 12:24 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I'm not sure omd and I are actually disagreeing (versus obliquely saying the same thing). This last point is interesting; it's still up to the other nomic whether to treat this two records Agora via representative who hasn't re-registered and Tiger who just registered or treat it as one-and-the-same as they were both you. Whether they come and look at our game to see if you had an official mandate in judging between these options is again up to them. At least some BlogNomic players have definitely been looking at the a-d archives (and presumably the a-b archives too). -- ais523
DIS: Re: BAK: Re: BUS: blarghfrom Sabrina
To the best of my knowledge, I did not send the above-quoted message and Sabrina Friedman is not the Horton. The preceding sentence is explicitly intended as doubt for the purposes of preventing self-ratification. Pavitra You sent the message that Sabrina sent on July 12 (iirc, I was checking just a second ago, not 100% certain I remember the month from a second ago, wow) A while ago, Reddit was bubbling over with spambots that would just repeat a previously stated comment. I guess a similar thing is hitting mailing lists now?
Re: DIS: Re: BAK: Re: BUS: blarghfrom Sabrina
On 08/18/2011 07:23 PM, Sgeo wrote: To the best of my knowledge, I did not send the above-quoted message and Sabrina Friedman is not the Horton. The preceding sentence is explicitly intended as doubt for the purposes of preventing self-ratification. Pavitra You sent the message that Sabrina sent on July 12 (iirc, I was checking just a second ago, not 100% certain I remember the month from a second ago, wow) I sent the message that Sabrina resent, but I did not send Sabrina's resendage metamessage.
DIS: Presented without comment
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