DIS: Re: BUS: Registration and Birthday
Thanks, D. Margaux. The only thing I can think of is that "declaring" might not be an action (and hence not covered by Rule 1728), or that it might be synonymous with "announcing" or "publishing", which Rule 478 allows me to do. I'm guessing that Rule 217 and game custom defeat those arguments, but I thought I'd give it a try, since I don't have much experience with game custom. On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 01:17, D. Margaux wrote: > > Welcome! > > I assign that CFJ to myself > > Under the rule, I believe that a player CAN declare a date to be eir birthday > only “with Agoran Consent,” which is a particular method of taking actions > described in Rule 1728 that requires that you first announce your intent to > perform the action, and give players an opportunity to support or object to > it, and the action is permitted only if more people support than oppose. So > based on that, I think the CFJ is FALSE, and I judge it that way unless there > is something I am missing. > > > On Feb 12, 2019, at 7:52 PM, James Cook wrote: > > > > I register. I go by "Falsifian" in online settings, or just my real name > > "James" if you prefer. > > > > My Agoran Birthday is the day beginning at midnight UTC on February 13, > > 2018. > > > > I initiate a CFJ for the statement "It is Falsifian's Agoran Birthday today > > (the day beginning at midnight UTC on February 13, 2019).". > > > > Here is my argument: > > > > 1. I declared earlier in this message that is my Agoran Birthday was one > > year ago. This is a simple matter of fact that anyone reading this can > > verify. The rules cannot change this fact. > > > > 2. The day I first registered is unknown, because I haven't told anyone. > > For example, as far as anyone else knows, I might have first registered a > > very long time ago under a different name. > > > > 3. Rule 2585 says: "As long as the day a player first registered remains > > unknown, it is considered to be eir Agoran Birthday on the anniversary of > > the day e most recently declared as eir Agoran Birthday.". Based on my two > > earlier points, then, today is the anniversary of my Agoran Birthday.
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I was unable to subscribe jc...@cs.berkeley.edu to the Agora lists (except tue), but was able to subscribe falsifi...@gmail.com. Is this a common problem? It's not a problem for me (assuming you received this message) but thought I'd mention it in case others are having trouble.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PM Intent
Sorry, I'd forgotten that deputy intents were entirely separate. I agree it's trivial to get around, but requiring the naming of each potential candidate still serves an informational purpose. On 2/12/2019 1:49 PM, D. Margaux wrote: Similar to the intent to demand resignation, this isn’t an intent with T notice. It’s a separate procedure. See CFJ 3679. So the dependent action standards do not apply. Furthermore, this requirement would be trivially overcome if I simply announced separate intents to deputise to name each player Speaker. On Feb 12, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Actually, I withdraw this CFJ. There's a lot of CFJs right now. Having pointed out the issue, it can wait until D. Margaux decides either a new intent or tries the action. On 2/12/2019 1:36 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: CFJ: D. Margaux's announcement of intent, quoted below, is sufficient to deputize for the Prime Minister. I bar D. Margaux. Arguments: The stronger standards for dependent action intent specification include the value of any choices to be made. Here, it is ambiguous which player will be chosen. On 2/12/2019 1:09 PM, D. Margaux wrote: I intend with 2 days’ notice to deputise for Prime Minister to appoint a Speaker from among the laureled players.
DIS: Re: BUS: PM Intent
Similar to the intent to demand resignation, this isn’t an intent with T notice. It’s a separate procedure. See CFJ 3679. So the dependent action standards do not apply. Furthermore, this requirement would be trivially overcome if I simply announced separate intents to deputise to name each player Speaker. > On Feb 12, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Actually, I withdraw this CFJ. There's a lot of CFJs right now. Having > pointed out the issue, it can wait until D. Margaux decides either a new > intent or tries the action. > >> On 2/12/2019 1:36 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> CFJ: D. Margaux's announcement of intent, quoted below, is sufficient to >> deputize for the Prime Minister. >> I bar D. Margaux. >> Arguments: >> The stronger standards for dependent action intent specification include the >> value of any choices to be made. Here, it is ambiguous which player will be >> chosen. >>> On 2/12/2019 1:09 PM, D. Margaux wrote: >>> I intend with 2 days’ notice to deputise for Prime Minister to appoint a >>> Speaker from among the laureled players. >>>
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PM Intent
Twg tried to win, but the consensus seems to be that e failed because the intent was not published to a public forum (among other possible reasons). > On Feb 12, 2019, at 4:23 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > Who even are the laureled players at this point? Has anyone attempted a win > after my scam? (Speaking of which, H. Judge Aris…) > > Gaelan > >> On Feb 12, 2019, at 1:09 PM, D. Margaux wrote: >> >> I intend with 2 days’ notice to deputise for Prime Minister to appoint a >> Speaker from among the laureled players. >
DIS: Re: BUS: PM Intent
Who even are the laureled players at this point? Has anyone attempted a win after my scam? (Speaking of which, H. Judge Aris…) Gaelan > On Feb 12, 2019, at 1:09 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > I intend with 2 days’ notice to deputise for Prime Minister to appoint a > Speaker from among the laureled players. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
