DIS: Defendant's Arguments re: Indictment of Telna

2021-06-18 Thread Telna via agora-discussion

On 2021-06-19 07:29, Rebecca Lee via agora-official wrote:

Telna pointed a finger at emself for Unjustified Gesticulation for eir
finger pointing that was later found shenanigans. Original point (found
shenanigans):
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2021-June/046723.html 


Second point:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2021-June/046794.html 



Telna did indeed commit unjustified gesticulation by pointing a finger
found to be Shenanigans. Because e did not point any other such fingers
earlier in the week, the crime is class 0. Rule 2557 allows me to issue a
Warning for class 0 crimes. Unfortunately, I cannot impose any blots 
by the

Cold Hand of Justice  under rule 2557 because I can impose a number of
blots that is at most twice the crime's class, which is still 0.

Clearly, Telna pointed this finger for personal gain of a justice 
card.  E
essentially admitted as such on discord. The element of profitability 
makes
an upward variance appropriate (2557). I therefore intend, with 1.5 
Agoran

consent (this is the procedure under a new proposal,
https://agoranomic.org/assessor/proposal/8560.txt) to Indict Telna, 
levying

a fine of 2 blots.


Arguments Against Indictment:
(This used to be a defendant's right before apparently the proposal 
simplified that out? Kinda weird, but I guess here we are anyway)


First of all, the alleged crime itself. Allow me to enter the Referee's 
arguments for finding SHENANIGANS into evidence:


On 2021-06-17 13:56, Rebecca Lee via agora-official wrote:
> The rule makes clear that the publication of "all such information"
> that must be tracked by the Treasuror must be performed at least once
> per week. Trigon has not violated this rule for this Agoran week (I'm
> assuming Telnaior was referring to eir most recent report, which was
> published this week) until the week elapses without that information
> having been published. Trigon must, of course,  publish this
> information before the end of the week (it would be best if e included
> this info in eir weekly report documents, which I have been informed e
> has never done). I find this finger pointing SHENANIGANS.

Please take note that, in making this conclusion, e chose to make an 
assumption that would make it impossible for the investigation to end 
any other way, specifically assuming that the alleged conduct was 
confined solely to the current week - which has not concluded yet. This 
goes against good-faith interpretation, especially as follow-up 
investigations pointing specifically to past weeks rather than generally 
as an ongoing matter were not also found shenanigans. I argue that this 
attempt to levy a fine on me is due to an action that, while exercising 
the highest reasonably possible standard of care (especially as a new 
player), I could not have avoided. This goes against section (5) in Rule 
2531 "Defendant's Rights". How can the alleged offence possibly be 
considered criminal under these circumstances? An Indictment is clearly 
not the solution here.


Secondly, allow me to draw your attention to Rule 2557 "Sentencing 
Guidelines":

{
  When the rules authorize an investigator to impose the Cold Hand
  of Justice for a violation, e CAN do so by levying a fine of B on
  the perp by announcement, within the following guidelines:

  - B is at least 1 and at most twice the base value of the
violation.

  - If the violation is described by the rules as a "Class N Crime"
(where N is a positive integer, or an expression that evaluates
to a positive integer), then N is the base value; otherwise the
base value is 2.

  - The fine SHOULD be reduced to the degree that the violation is a
minor, accidental, and/or inconsequential infraction.

  - The fine SHOULD be increased to the degree that the violation is
willful, profitable, egregious, or an abuse of an official
position.
}

This is the only part of the rule which speaks of increasing a fine 
based on circumstances, suggesting that this is where the Referee found 
cause to increase the fine e is intending to levy from 0 blots as 
specified by the Rules to 2, a dramatic jump in magnitude. However, the 
rule clearly states at the very beginning that this section only applies 
to the Cold Hand of Justice, and furthermore explicitly excludes Class 0 
Crimes from this analysis due to their extremely minor nature. It is 
clear that the Referee electing to Indict for 2 blots is a dramatic 
overreach, unjustified by the Rules, and should be considered outright 
malfeasance with intent to inflict punitive measures upon Agora's newest 
player. Can this truly be considered Agoran justice?


The defence takes particular issue with the magnitude of the fine being 
considered. Were this a Class 1 Crime, the Referee would doubtless have 
elected to impose the Cold Hand of Justice, increasing the fine by their 

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Investigation of Telna and Indictment (plz support/oppose)

2021-06-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/18/21 7:34 PM, Rose Strong via agora-discussion wrote:
> I support this

NttPF

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason



DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Investigation of Telna and Indictment (plz support/oppose)

2021-06-18 Thread Rose Strong via agora-discussion
I support this

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 5:30 PM Rebecca Lee via agora-official <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> Telna pointed a finger at emself for Unjustified Gesticulation for eir
> finger pointing that was later found shenanigans. Original point (found
> shenanigans):
>
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2021-June/046723.html
> Second point:
>
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2021-June/046794.html
>
> Telna did indeed commit unjustified gesticulation by pointing a finger
> found to be Shenanigans. Because e did not point any other such fingers
> earlier in the week, the crime is class 0. Rule 2557 allows me to issue a
> Warning for class 0 crimes. Unfortunately, I cannot impose any blots by the
> Cold Hand of Justice  under rule 2557 because I can impose a number of
> blots that is at most twice the crime's class, which is still 0.
>
> Clearly, Telna pointed this finger for personal gain of a justice card.  E
> essentially admitted as such on discord. The element of profitability makes
> an upward variance appropriate (2557). I therefore intend, with 1.5 Agoran
> consent (this is the procedure under a new proposal,
> https://agoranomic.org/assessor/proposal/8560.txt) to Indict Telna,
> levying
> a fine of 2 blots.
> --
> From R. Lee
>


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract & Promise Cleanup

2021-06-18 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion

On 6/18/2021 5:28 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote:




On Jun 18, 2021, at 8:46 AM, ATMunn via agora-business 
 wrote:

Good point. I intend, without objection, to revoke the promise
"Treasure" from the Lost and Found Department


I object; I believe the intent of that promise was to provide a prize for anyone 
with a way to steal from the L

Gaelan



My reason behind the attempt was that
1) it's been there for a long time and
2) inflation means that 200 coins is becoming less and less valuable.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)


DIS: Re: BUS: Contract & Promise Cleanup

2021-06-18 Thread Telna via agora-discussion

On 2021-06-19 01:00, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:
I intend, without objection, to revoke the promise "Treasure" [created 
by omd] from the Library.


Worth noting this promise is owned by the Lost and Found Department, 
which I think means you need to restate the intent for it to count.
(It's still possible as the Lost and Found Department lets you destroy 
anything it owns without objection, at least)