DIS: Re: BUS: Yes we can lift

2023-11-26 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2023-11-26 at 16:52 -0500, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> On 11/26/23 16:52, Agora amdw42 via agora-business wrote:
> > I, Ben, push the boulder
> 
> This fails, as you are not a player. You need to register first, e.g. by
> sending "I register as a player" to agora-business.

This sort of thing has become very common recently, possibly due to
confusion between "register for the mailing lists" and "register as a
player". I wonder if it'd be possible to reduce the confusion with,
say, updates to the website?

-- 
ais523


Re: DIS: [proto] Unforceability

2023-11-26 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 11/26/23 15:47, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote:
> Janet wrote:
>
>> To address some of the holes that befell Agoran't:
>>
>> {
>>
>> Add (somewhere? enact a new rule? at power 2 or 3?):
>>
>> {
>>
>> A Rule that purports to designate an action as "unforceable" thereby
>> designates that a player NEED NOT comply with any provision of any Rule
>> that requires or forbids em from performing or refraining from
>> performing that action, unless the provision merely requires em to abide
>> by an agreement to which e has consented.
>>
>> Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, the following actions are
>> unforceable:
>>
>> * Tabling an intent
>>
>> * Becoming or ceasing to be a supporter or objector to an intent.
>>
>> * Initiating, voting on, or resolving an Agoran decision.
>>
>> * Submitting or distributing a proposal.
>>
>> }
>>
>> }
> I would add withdrawing votes.
>
> Would this prevent the Promotor/Assessor from being dinged for failing
> to distribute/resolve proposals in a timely fashion? Maybe add another
> exception for "merely requires em to perform the duties of an office
> which e holds based on eir prior consent, such as becoming a candidate
> or deputising".


Ooh, very good point, thank you!

-- 
Janet Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason



Re: DIS: [proto] Unforceability

2023-11-26 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion

Janet wrote:


To address some of the holes that befell Agoran't:

{

Add (somewhere? enact a new rule? at power 2 or 3?):

{

A Rule that purports to designate an action as "unforceable" thereby
designates that a player NEED NOT comply with any provision of any Rule
that requires or forbids em from performing or refraining from
performing that action, unless the provision merely requires em to abide
by an agreement to which e has consented.

Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, the following actions are
unforceable:

* Tabling an intent

* Becoming or ceasing to be a supporter or objector to an intent.

* Initiating, voting on, or resolving an Agoran decision.

* Submitting or distributing a proposal.

}

}


I would add withdrawing votes.

Would this prevent the Promotor/Assessor from being dinged for failing
to distribute/resolve proposals in a timely fashion? Maybe add another
exception for "merely requires em to perform the duties of an office
which e holds based on eir prior consent, such as becoming a candidate
or deputising".